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1 Day Shy Everything But Marriage, Washington’s Gays Get Shafted

larrystickney

With “at least” 135,000 signatures turned in yesterday, anti-gay agent Gary Randall (of Oregon) and partner-in-crime Larry Stickney (pictured) squashed today’s planned implementation of Washington State’s “everything but marriage” domestic partnership bill. Referendum 71 would have granted overturned the law granting same-sex partners the same rights afforded straight married couples when it comes to things like pension benefits, adoption, child support, and hospital visitation. Now, if the signatures collected by Protect Marriage Washington are certified and valid ones number more than 120,577, the law will be put on hold until November, when voters will have a chance to weigh in on whether the 5,700 couples registered so far (and the untold numbers who would have joined the wave) should be treated as second-class.

Naturally, Washington Families Standing Together isn’t so pleased about this weekend’s development.

Now the question remains: How fast until the names of every single one of these anti-civil rights civilians get published?

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On:           Jul 26, 2009
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  • 87 Comments
    • galefan2004
      galefan2004

      While I believe that the rights of minority should never be up for a vote. Wouldn’t it just be awesome if WA actually passed this with an actual election. It would make it the first state in the country to actually do so, and would show a major shift in the political climate in this nation.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 12:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Emily
      Emily

      Well, the religious right just shot themselves in the foot with this one. The old “just don’t call it a marriage” argument won’t be valid after this one, as it’s been made clear that if we give an inch, they’ll be ready to take a mile!

      Jul 26, 2009 at 12:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Emily
      Emily

      @galefan2004: actually, that “honor” would go to California…

      Jul 26, 2009 at 12:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mr. Cox
      Mr. Cox

      Evangelical Nazis… these people want to put us in concentration camps!!!! Told ya’ll it wouldn’t stop at marriage. They won’t stop until the Christian cross is made into the new swastika! These people will go up to our homes with magnifying glasses to see what we’re up to and use armed police force to round us up and exterminate us!!

      Trust me, this is the return of Nazi Germany. We should be afraid, VERY AFRAID! In 4 years we could have Mike Huckabee or Sarah Palin and they will use the Patriot Act to see us all wiped out like the Jews… who they are also not very fond of.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 12:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      Well, it remains to be seen if they have the requisite signatures.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 12:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • duttybarb
      duttybarb

      Finally..some good news

      Jul 26, 2009 at 1:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @duttybarb:

      Get cancer.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 1:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • petted
      petted

      @Emily: I think he meant if they voted down the repeal.

      If I remember correctly they were saying about 18% of signatures on these initiatives on average are deemed invalid so their buffer is short about 15 thousand – from what I read it sounds like they should have finished going through the signatures mid august.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 1:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • duttybarb
      duttybarb

      @ TANK

      Get Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Jul 26, 2009 at 1:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • InExile
      InExile

      When will these religious freaks just stop and live and let live? They really are a hate group cult, there is no other way to describe them.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 2:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @duttybarb:

      The romans beat me to it, unfortunately. You have to admit, the passion of the christ was hilarious.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 2:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • kelehe
      kelehe

      Fact check:

      Referendum 71 would not have “granted same-sex partners the same rights afforded straight married couples when it comes to things like pension benefits, adoption, child support, and hospital visitation.”

      Referendum 71 is the referendum for which the signatures are being gathered to overturn SB 5688. SB 5688 is the bill signed by Gov. Gregoire known as the “everything-but-marriage” bill. This bill would grant the state level privileges, rights and responsibilities of marriage to domestic partners in Washington State, including heterosexual couples, in which one or both partners are age 62 or above.

      Misinformation by supporters of Referendum 71 is not surprising. misinformation by a gay blog “reporting” on it is lazy and irresponsible.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 2:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TikiHead
      TikiHead

      @duttybarb: I gave Jesus anal cancer. I am sorry.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 2:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joe Mustich, Justice of the Peace
      Joe Mustich, Justice of the Peace

      To the marriage foes and sexually phobic please find something else to do with your time, because life’s too short. Find love.

      And how’s the economy in Washington? (LOL)

      And in the meantime, couples are coming to CT to wed this summer from around the country, and they’re bringing their families and friends along for long weekends….

      Congrats to all!

      And kudos to New England and Iowa for supporting (civil) marriage. And to kudos to the Episcopal Church too.

      Joe Mustich, Justice of the Peace,
      Washington, Connecticut, USA

      Jul 26, 2009 at 2:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dick Mills
      Dick Mills

      They only have about 12% more “signatures” than are required. I’m not sure how Washington handles initiatives, but in California they would take a representative sample of the signatures and verify those names. If that sample falls short at projecting that 95% of the signatures are valid, then the measure doesn’t qualify for the ballot. If that sample shows less than 110% (which in this case it probably would fail that test), then the signatures go for a full verification. Only having a 12% buffer, probably means that this could go down in flames. So, it is not a done deal by any stretch.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 2:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dick Mills
      Dick Mills

      Oh, @nuttybarb: you people crack me up!

      Jul 26, 2009 at 2:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Christopher
      Christopher

      “I gave Jesus Anal Cancer”….that’s nice. I do remember Farrah just passing away from that last month….not so much a gay thing. You must have brain cancer.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 2:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • galefan2004
      galefan2004

      @Mr. Cox: You are a bloddy fucking moron. Seriously. Your calls of alarmist stupidity are so anti-American. America is not Germany. There is a reason that they won’t round us up and exterminate us in America and that is because above all this country still values human beings. They might not want us to wed but they don’t want us dead. Maybe a small hand full would like us dead, but its not going to happen. Besides, you are honestly kidding yourself if you think that any president will ever lead the will of the American people against itself. Not to mention, the constitution gave us the right to bear arms for times like what you describe. Obama wants to take our guns and with out the 2nd amendment non of the other amendments matter at all. Maybe you should be more afraid of Obama than anyone else.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 2:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • galefan2004
      galefan2004

      @TANK: Cancer is to good for Mr. Barb. The only true punishment that will service her correctly is to go through life as an absolute bigot following blindly behind her bigoted preacher and then when he dies she can get to “heaven” and find out that Jesus didn’t just have 12 men follow him while fucking all of them on earth but he does so in heaven. Then, in a pure thumbs down by the great sky daddy she gets plunged to the abyss with the rest of the judge not less thee be judged crowd to be forced to watch ugly assed heteros fuck all day.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 2:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • galefan2004
      galefan2004

      @duttybarb: Maybe he doesn’t want to Jesus. Personally, given the choice between your bigoted loving version of Jesus (you know the one where you want him to be a judgmental prick and fail to realize what he actually was and where you think you have the right to judge people although he said you didn’t and where you can’t put down the rock although he said he with sin cast the first) and HIV, I’ll take HIV any day.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 2:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • galefan2004
      galefan2004

      @duttybarb: You just don’t get the concept of CONSENT do you? I can completely understand that because no man in his right mind would consent to fucking your ugly fat overused sloppy loose hole. You can’t allow for consent because then you would be a bitter used up has been sphincter skank that no guy would fuck. No, you have to use that marriage contract to throw it at your husband so he has to come home from fucking his mistress to bang you at least once a week. You just can’t understand why gays would want marriage because for you all it is is that contract that makes your man fuck you once a week when he is done with his mistress and us gay men don’t need such contracts because we actually get to have sex with CONSENTING people.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 3:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Christopher
      Christopher

      Well I think I’ve read somewhere that AIDS is now more common in the African American community than in Homosexual community. AIDS isn’t just a gay disease. It didn’t even start with gays. Do some research, and open your closed mind.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 3:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TikiHead
      TikiHead

      @duttybarb: Jesus blasphemes himself when I hit his sweet spot. He is such a power bottom.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 3:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM

      Many of those people were LIED into signing that petition and did not understand what they were signing. They actually supported same sex marriage.

      Go ahead Queerty and all the over emotional people here. Screw it up for gays AGAIN.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 3:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kamikapse
      Kamikapse

      @galefan2004:

      Wow, you’re quite an assclown… Because this is America, huh?
      Something like that could happen again anytime, especially in a almost-theocracy like America

      Jul 26, 2009 at 3:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TikiHead
      TikiHead

      @duttybarb: “m just waiting for the other class deviants..bestialists and NAMBLA PEEPS to come out and screech equality for all. Now that will be something to watch.”

      Funny you should mention that: Jesus has a HUGE collection of kiddie porn and animal porn as well. Who am I to judge him?

      Jul 26, 2009 at 4:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TikiHead
      TikiHead

      @duttybarb: If you behave, Duttybarb, I’ll…

      Jul 26, 2009 at 4:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TikiHead
      TikiHead

      @duttybarb: …let you sniff my prick so you can smell Jesus’s asshole. Closest you’ll ever get to meeting him.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 4:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • duttybarb
      duttybarb

      @Galefan2004…

      Jesus symbolizes the ultimate love and sacrifice, hun. Just because UCC and which ever blasphemous church is trying to represent him as someone who actually condones the abomination of homosexuality does not mean that he is one.

      God loves us flaws and all because He made us but that does not mean He will hesitate to smite heavily on His children when they mess up.

      I mean read the bible now and then, maybe it will get to you.

      Homosexuality is the ultimate insult to the very nature that God created us in. He made man for woman and woman for man. That is the standard it was supposed to be in. That is why a man is said to live his father’s home to become one with his WIFE..NOT HIS HUSBAND. There is no standard in marriage anymore if you people can be allowed to do so.

      Marriage is such a dear union to God that he has a large amount of blessings directly from His Heart for a truly righteously married couple. The icing on the cake is the Gift of Children. The Gift of creating a new life..and filling it with God’s love. Though not all marriages bring out children as maybe God’s will…it does not make it any less of blessed union between man and wife,

      I am so disgusted that we have all forgotten that. That people have so polluted the sanctity of marriage that perverts can now claim a stake in it.

      There is a curse from God for people who pervert marriage. I pray God visits His Hand on all of you who are in such sinful unions and the idiots that actually “bless” this nonsense.

      Gay marriage..what an idiotic concept

      Jul 26, 2009 at 4:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • duttybarb
      duttybarb

      Tikihead..thats actually quite funny!!!!

      Jul 26, 2009 at 4:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • InExile
      InExile

      @duttybarb: A couple questions:

      Did you have science class where you went to school?

      What type of Church do you belong to?

      Jul 26, 2009 at 4:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • galefan2004
      galefan2004

      @Kamikapse: You have to be an idiot to think that America is an “almost” theocracy. Just because 80% of the nation is “christian” doesn’t mean that god is in the charge. You are overlooking the rights that have been gained. The nation is simply not going to all of a sudden change directions. People like you give way to much credit to the church. The church is not as powerful as you want it to be. The people that don’t want us to have marriage rights have reasons that go way beyond the church. However, those same people (except the crazy zealots which are a huge minority) don’t want to deny us our existence. You have 40 years of history proving just how wrong you really are. If they wanted to put us in extermination camps they would have done it in the day and age when we were still on the list of mental disorders.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 4:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM

      @duttybarb:

      Duttybarb…you really need to get your historical facts straight on marriage.

      All the people attacking this poster using Jesus etc….Disgust me just as much.

      All of you belong on an island together. You all can just kill each other off with your war and hatred the rest of us can EVOLVE for the better.
      ——————-

      Anthropologists debunk ‘traditional marriage’ claim
      Group claims Bush’s arguments don’t reflect history
      Apr 16, 2004 | By: ADRIAN BRUNE

      Eager boy meets shy girl. Boy proves himself worthy. Boy and girl fall in love, get married and have children. They all live happily ever after.

      It’s folklore that appeals to many Americans — one that the media facilitate and many politicians moralize, according to many anthropologists. They say this timeless tale has one significant problem: In a great many civilizations, at least until the present era, marriages were arranged in the interests of kinship networks, not at the whim of lovers. And, throughout history, they have taken on a wide variety of forms, including same-sex partnerships.

      President Bush similarly portrayed the union between male and female as the only proper form of marriage, calling it “one of the most fundamental, enduring institutions of our civilization” in his State of the Union Address. By doing so, these anthropologists say, he ignored a primary lesson of human culture and further perpetuated the Western marriage myth.

      In a statement released last month, the 11,000-member American Anthropological Association gave Bush failing marks on his understanding of world societies and criticized his proposed ban on same-sex marriage.

      “The results of more than a century of anthropological research on households, kinship relationships and families, across cultures and through time, provide no support whatsoever for the view that either civilization or viable social orders depend upon marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution,” the association’s executive board said.

      “Rather, anthropological research supports the conclusion that a vast array of family types, including families built upon same-sex partnerships, can contribute to stable and humane societies.”

      Modern marriage only 200 years old
      Scholars of both texts and worldwide cultures agree that it is nearly impossible to formulate a precise and generally acceptable way to define the flexible nature of marriage, according to the AAA.

      In his recent book, “The Trouble with Nature: Sex in Science and Popular Culture,” George Mason University anthropologist Roger Lancaster argues that the notion of one-man, one-woman marriage crept into the collective consciousness of American society only within the past 200 years — a result of both the industrial revolution, and the media’s influence.

      “Leaders often make global pronouncements about ‘marriage,’ as though it were a self-evident institution,” Lancaster said. “Depending on its cultural context, marital unions can involve a host of different persons in a number of possible combinations. People are inventive and creative about the way they create kinship networks.”

      Marriage, as Americans envision it today, didn’t exist during the time of the Old Testament, or even as the Apostles spread the word of Christianity across the Middle East and Europe. Rather, marriage has consistently adjusted to religious, political and economic changes, anthropologists said.

      Throughout the pre-Christian world, most civilizations practiced polygamy, until the Romans systematized marriage by establishing an age of consent and specifying unions across socio-economic classes, according to Lancaster. The Roman Catholic Church soon spread the vision of monogamy, but it took hundreds of years to become the universal axiom, he added. Even then, families arranged marriages, usually as a business transaction with the bride accompanying a piece of land to farm, or a livestock inheritance.

      A polemical historian, the late John Boswell, concluded that in pre-modern Europe “marriage usually began as a property arrangement, was in its middle mostly about raising children, and ended about love.

      “Few couples in fact, married ‘for love,’ but many grew to love each other in time as they jointly managed their household, reared their offspring and shared life experiences,” he wrote.

      Boswell was gay himself, as is Lancaster, who has contributed several opinion columns to this newspaper.

      Churches supported gay unions
      Other academics didn’t consider Boswell controversial for his inferences on early marriage, but for his assertions that liturgical ceremonies in the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches sanctioned gay unions. For a period of more than 1,000 years, between A.D. 500 and 1500, these churches in Europe performed the Adelphopoiesis, or “the making of brothers,” he determined in his 1994 book, “Same-Sex Unions in Premodern Europe.”

      Even though these rituals celebrated a life-long union between two men, historians disagree on the nature of the relationship. Some state they did carry with them a homoerotic connotation, while others contend they were friendship, or “blood-brother” accords.

      Joseph Palacios, a Georgetown professor of sociology, who is gay, said the more salient proof of same-sex unions in pre-modern Europe lies within the vows of religious orders. When priests joined a monastery or nuns entered a convent they organized their lives around each other in a common “marriage” to Jesus Christ.

      “The vows of poverty, chastity and obedience are technically …

      equivalent to marriage vows, and to me, these single-sex orders provide the larger evidence of the sanctioning of same-sex unions,” Palacios said. “They also procured children in the sense of establishing schools, orphanages and hospitals, which mirrored or paralleled the intent of marriage.”

      The American Anthropological Association created its statement denouncing Bush at the suggestion of Dan Segal, another anthropologist who points to the application of marriage to same-sex couples in both a classical and modern context.

      Centuries after the Greeks and early Christians sanctified same-sex unions, Native Americans still practice a widespread same-sex tradition known as the berdache, in which two spirit males — men who are not tied to one gender — marry, provided they undergo a social and spiritual transformation, Lancaster said. One spouse might identify as female, but both remain biologically male.

      Many modern societies don’t even draw a distinction between homosexual and heterosexual in their pairings, Lancaster said, choosing a more free association regarding sexual or kinship ties. The Nuer of Sudan, as well as other African societies, institutionalized female same-sex marriages to preserve the lineage of one woman’s family. These same-sex unions also exist in the form of cohabitation after an occasional “ghost marriage” of a woman to a dead man.

      Polygamy came first
      Though some conservative politicians decry same-sex marriages as opening the door to polygamy, polygamy is actually the time-tested method of sexual bonding, anthropologists said. Outlawed in the United States in 1879, it still survives among some Mormons and is practiced consistently in the Muslim world.

      Bush’s model of marriage — the heterosexual nuclear family — actually evolved during the Industrial Revolution, as transient populations, mass education, the women’s rights movement and the creation of leisure time tested marriage’s tradition, according to Lancaster.

      Women also moved up in status from property to partner, and children from a source of labor to the treasured outcomes of a loving bond. Early 20th century magazines, such as the Ladies’ Home Journal, seized upon this idea and circulated it through mainstream America, scholars noted.

      Though all don’t necessarily support same-sex marriage, most anthropologists and social scientists agreed that the American Anthropological Association correctly challenged what many called, Bush’s “ethnocentric view” of the union. A spokesperson for the association said the president’s narrow remarks struck a nerve among those who study the culture through time and across the world.

      “What happens in cultures is that people tend to see their culture as the paragon, and then extrapolate its values out to others,” said Joanne Rappaport, a Georgetown professor of anthropology. “We see what we do as the only way to do things, and the president’s narrow views on issues don’t help in changing that perspective.”

      Jul 26, 2009 at 4:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • InExile
      InExile

      @SM: Absolutely Great Post! The President, Congress, and the Senate should also read this.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 4:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • galefan2004
      galefan2004

      @duttybarb: Jesus said judge not less thee be judged and let thee who is without sin throw the first stone. He gave two commandments. The first was love your god with your whole heart/soul/body and the second was love your neighbor as yourself. He never said a damn thing about homosexuality. He never weighed in one way or the other. So, trying to say he is against it is insane. You can’t even use your own bible (you know that book I know 10x better than you and your bigoted asshat pastor that is probably fucking some chick on the side while married to someone just like you) to prove one way or another that Jesus didn’t like the gays. Of course, the man preached love for everyone especially the sinners. He threw whores like you (I’m going to equate you to the money changers in the temple that tried to sell salvation) out on their ass. So, Jesus is against anyone that thinks they have the right to judge anyone. That would be you not me.

      God doesn’t exist. There is no smiting. People like you need to believe in god and in smiting because if you used your own fucking brain to come to a logical conclusion you would realize god is a joke and so are you.

      I’ve read the bible 10x more than you will ever see the day to. You listen to what people tell you it says every Sunday. You have obviously never picked up the book or you would realize two very important things: 1) according to you anyone that believes in god is saved regardless of what “sin” they commit yet you want to rewrite that at every point when it comes to lgbt people and 2) Jesus died for the sins of all so I’m as clean as you are but you fail to realize that in your judgment. BTW, its probably not a great idea to tell someone that was raised as religious as I was and chose to use his brain to overcome it based on the stupidity that is the contradiction of the bible to go read it. If you actually read it from cover to cover you would see how insane the book really is. You are better off living in stupidity listening to what some bigot tells you every Sunday about it.

      There was no standard in marriage the day there was divorce. What god has joined together let no man take apart. Yet, the church has bestowed its blessing on divorce longer than I have been alive. Not to mention, god created man and woman together (Adam and Lilith) then he dumped Lilith because she was the first one to stand her ground to god and made Eve. Eve then went and got Adam to eat the apple after she had done so herself. If anyone is an affront to religion it is women like you that disobey god because of their own stupidity. JUDGE NOT LESS THEE BE JUDGED is a direct command from Jesus yet you throw that out the door in your quest for what I can only assume you believe is “perfection”.

      You are so off base here. Any crack whore can have a baby and not all married couples can have children. Apparently, god didn’t bother to bless those married couples that can’t conceive but somehow he got his blessing all messed up with that trailer trash welfare mom (probably what you are) that cranks out babies every year by a different father each time. Are you saying God is an idiot with this statement?

      I’m not perverted you are. I have no desire to get into your love life but you feel the need to stick your tits into mine. I don’t want your tits and that bothers you. So, until someone is forcing you to marry a woman you need to learn to leave people alone that aren’t hurting you. When you are without sin come throwing stones. Until then, god has a special place in hell for people that disobey him with hypocrisy the way that you do.

      By curse you must be talking about HIV. Its the only curse that people like you like to throw up at us. The problem is that you are so completely misguided. I’m negative and so is my boyfriend. We only desire to be with each other so we are going to remain negative. I could fuck him for every day of his life and let him fuck me for every day of my life till we are old and gray and we will both avoid this “curse”. Again you are calling god an idiot because if he sent HIV to deal with the gays then being the all knowing all powerful god that you claim he is I think that he probably would have been able to actually make his “curse” deal with the people he wanted it to deal with. It wouldn’t have taken a detour to wipe out so many people that according to you don’t deserve it. Please tell me what happened with the plagues in Egypt? According to people like you god didn’t miss a single target in Egypt yet he is so inept that he couldn’t control his “curse” that he sent to deal with people like me.

      Beating your head against the wall screaming like a banshee when no one gives a fuck what you say. What an idiotic concept. Doing so while ignore the commands of god yet calling others out on the fact that “they ignore the commands of god” is not just idiotic it is self-righteous. Apparently, you missed all those lessons on “judge not less thee be judged”, “thee who is without sin throw the first stone” and the fact that the most important characteristics in god’s eyes are hospitality and humility. Both of which you do not posses.

      Its been fun setting your bigoted “christian” ass back on the right path. Next time you want to attempt an argument to make yourself look even more stupid with me go right ahead. You don’t get to the point where I was in the church without realizing how to debate anyone from a religious standpoint. Hell, I know the bible better than most ministers I know. The other difference between me and them is I can use logic to keep them running in circles. If you can’t champion god without the bible you don’t deserve to be a “christian”. The problem is that when you have decent common sense backing you you quickly realize just how flawed the entire notion of religion really is. I can’t be “christian” I use my fucking brain to much.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 5:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TikiHead
      TikiHead

      @duttybarb: “Marriage is such a dear union to God that he has a large amount of blessings directly from His Heart for a truly righteously married couple. The icing on the cake is the Gift of Children. The Gift of creating a new life..and filling it with God’s love. Though not all marriages bring out children as maybe God’s will…it does not make it any less of blessed union between man and wife,

      I am so disgusted that we have all forgotten that. That people have so polluted the sanctity of marriage that perverts can now claim a stake in it. ”

      We allow atheists to marry. Idiot. Your waxing poetic about Christian marriage is irrelevant (as well as nauseating).

      Jul 26, 2009 at 5:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jack
      Jack

      @InExile: Are you kidding? duttybarb WAS the science class….

      Jul 26, 2009 at 5:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • duttybarb
      duttybarb

      @galefan2004 and the hilarious Tikihead,

      I am nt judging you..this is not an abstract situation. Homosexuality is a sin. Lying is a sin, stealing a sin…nothing to judge there. No matter the reason for it…it is a sin.

      The funny thing is you really believe this nonsense.

      Good luck convincing the rest of the world

      Jul 26, 2009 at 5:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • InExile
      InExile

      @Jack: Intelligent Design, I think they call it?

      Jul 26, 2009 at 5:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • duttybarb
      duttybarb

      Galefan2004,

      You are a really sad though. And you sound senile, are u an old man coz that would explain a lot???

      Evrything you said….is utter whiny nonsense. Of course u know the bible..God said the devil himslf can school ministers in the bible.

      Did u see those chapters that God referred to Homosexuality as a sin..or did u ignore it?

      AIDS spread because of the absolutely promiscous lifstyle you people had. Thanks again!!!!! Yet you believe its not a gay man’s disease….okkkk?!!!

      You are whats wrong with us today..i am glad that real religious groups are taking ur kind down

      Jul 26, 2009 at 5:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TikiHead
      TikiHead

      @duttybarb: “Good luck convincing the rest of the world”

      Thank you. And you keep doing what you do. Your stubborn stupidity is the best advertisement against religion one could imagine. Sing it, sister!

      So, still no answer from you on why US law allows atheists to marry. Guess it’s because you don’t like the true anwer: that there is no religious test for a marriage license, or implied religious meaning, in a legal sense, to civil marriage.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 6:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GPM
      GPM

      The religious Reich is losing the battle. That’s why they are so shrill right now — they are losing and we are winning. They’ll be marginalized politically until they are completely irrelevant. They will be self-segregated into little groups who will mainly reside in small towns in the rural Midwest and the South. Their world will continue to get smaller and smaller with each generation. And when they all die out, we truly will have peace on Earth and good will toward men. Amen.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 6:28 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dick Mills
      Dick Mills

      @GPM: AMEN, brother! And a glorious day that will be! God herself will applaud.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 6:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jack
      Jack

      @InExile: No, that wouldn’t be the phrase…

      Jul 26, 2009 at 6:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 7SK
      7SK

      @duttybarb: “Jesus symbolizes the ultimate love and sacrifice, hun. Just because UCC and which ever blasphemous church is trying to represent him as someone who actually condones the abomination of homosexuality does not mean that he is one.”

      About this and the rest of that post. Where’d you copy that from? Considering your atrocious spelling and almost complete disregard for coherent sentence organization in each of your other posts, I find it hard to believe that you personally gathered the necessary neurons to process that whole thing yourself.

      Also. In Leviticus, “God” condemns homosexuality and makes it punishable by death…as well as adultery. Both acts are equal in “God’s” eyes. So why isn’t the religious right chasing after adulterers and trying to punish them? Adultery is actually a choice, as opposed to homosexuality, a concept you “good Christians” have yet to fully grasp, despite overwhelming evidence and the statements of almost every single gender researcher and therapist. Leviticus is possibly the most ridiculous book in the Bible, but it is the one that condemns homosexuality, so you keep referring to it, despite the fact that it also condemns polyester, shaving, and rare meat, and demands that you do not partake in any of those oh-so-very-evil-and-also-wicked things.

      You cannot pick and choose which nonsensical Bible passages you adhere to. Admit that you fear homosexuality because your tiny mind cannot understand it. All your life you’ve been fed cliché after cliché: Adam and Eve, Cain and Able, Sodom and Gomorrah. Stories that you simply absorbed, not using a single precious brain cell and simply storing these fables and tales and myths, which you were convinced into believing as knowledge and wisdom. Homosexuality is different from the stories you drowned yourself in, and when others are so quick to wake up from their ignorant sleep, you’re terrified, and you hate it. You are not living the life of Christ, as you should be, but are living one of hate and fear, fear of the unknown and fear of change. Know this, however: your days are numbered.

      Have a nice life.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 7:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • galefan2004
      galefan2004

      @duttybarb: You are judging us. When you tell us it is wrong to love who we want that is judgment. If you don’t think its judgment you are beyond stupid.

      Everything I said was 100% accurate. It is you who has no fucking clue about the bible. If the devil existed he would seek to divide the flock of god and to send people running for their lives. He would do that by using judgmental asshats such as yourself to turn people away from god. When you say that gays shouldn’t be allowed to love who they want you say they are simply not good enough for god. The devil thrives on people like you and the bible also says that he will use the “agents of god” to turn people against god. You are doing the devils work.

      Chapters? It is said once and it was directed at the Jewish people. I’m not Jewish. In the same chapter he said that children should be stoned and eating pork and shrimp is an abomination. Did you miss that part? Did you miss the part that Jesus came down and died for the sins of everyone to remove them from the Mosaic law? Its also mentioned in Corinthians but it is mentioned about people that left the natural use of women (these were straight men that decided to go to men instead of women which was unnatural). You think I don’t see the parts of the bible that says homosexuality is wrong? That is not the case at all. I just understand what they really say, and you just read them as being a verse. You can’t read just a verse you have to read the context, and the truth is that the bible never once says that homosexuality is wrong for christians. Such a misunderstanding takes the death of our savior and belittles it. Jesus is up there thinking that you have no respect for his sacrifice because you don’t understand that when he shed that blood it covered all sin for anyone that believes in him. I’m sure you have never told a lie? All sins in god’s eyes are equal, so every time you’ve told a lie or done anything else wrong you became an abomination in god’s eyes.

      Really, it spread because the promiscuity that we had. Do you understand I only sleep with people I love and no one else. Do you understand that I don’t sleep around with everyone I meet. Do you understand that I have slept with one man in the last 9 years? Yeah, I’m betting you can’t even say the same. You see for me, sex without a bond is nothing. Now, any more sweeping generalizations? Plus, you fail to understand how HIV got into the female population. You also fail to understand that lesbians very rarely get HIV.

      No you fucking cunt bitch, you are what is wrong with us today. You don’t understand that Jesus shed his blood for everyone. You don’t understand that judging someone is wrong and when you say that someone shouldn’t love who they want you are definitely judging them make no doubts about it. I’m glad real religious groups are taking freaks like you down, because make no doubt about it the religious movement is disappearing, and the churches that aren’t disappearing our outing people like you for who you are.

      It must annoy you that you are the only bigot on these forums when years ago this forum would have been filled with bigots. Do you even see the own shit on your knees? Do you even see your own sin? Thank you for doing what the bible would describe as the devil’s work and forcing more moderate people to our side. Its people like you that will win our cause for us. You just fail to realize that. The more the conservative churches push the more they make themselves look ape shit crazy and the more the nation shifts towards being understanding.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 8:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • galefan2004
      galefan2004

      @TikiHead: Religious bigots try to side step when you prove an actual point. She thinks what she wants and nothing will change that. That is the pure definition of faith.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 8:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Disgusted American
      Disgusted American

      Isnt that asshole shown in the picture- suffering the SIN of GLUTTONY?

      Jul 26, 2009 at 8:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • damon459
      damon459

      @duttybarb: Hmm I keep hearing about the sanctity of marriage yet over 50% of heterosexual marriages end in divorce and I’m always seeing something about some 24 hour marriage maybe just maybe those heterosexuals should worry about their own mess and stay out our lives. They want to protect marriage from us but I don’t see how we could do a worse job then they have we would get married out of love not because of shotgun weddings do to pregnancy and those marriages would have a better chance of lasting a lifetime. As to all these references to the bible and “god” the bible is a collection of stories patched together by religious groups of the day written by men no by the hand of this “god” if he or she really exists why wouldn’t he or she simply deliver onto us the rules he wishes us to follow rather then expecting us to blindly follow other men like sheep I think the only answer is to separate religious unions from those recognized by the government IE if you want a christian wedding you go to a church and get it done then file for your civil marriage with the state the two should be separate from each other as in separation of church and state.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 8:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • InExile
      InExile

      @duttybarb: By trying to be the judge, you are pretending to be GOD who is the only judge. This is one of SATAN’S oldest tricks, trying to trick and deceive people into believing he is God. Are you actually Satan trying to pose as God? Some of us are not fooled by you as we walk with the light.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 8:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • InExile
      InExile

      @duttybarb: Why do you refuse to tell us which church you belong to? Mormon or Jehovah’s Witness?

      Jul 26, 2009 at 8:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dabq
      Dabq

      Why is it legal for chumps to go from one state to another with their hate? That creepy GOP paid ‘pastor’ in the DC marriage thing, live in Maryland and trots his hate to DC. This guy lives in Oregon and trots his hate to Washington. Don’t these places have laws against this sort of tripe and who can bring things to a vote??

      And why are peoples rights up to the vote? That makes no sense at all.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 8:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Pop Snap
      Pop Snap

      @duttybarb:

      War.
      Disease.
      Famine.
      Child abuse.
      Poverty.
      Gay rights.

      Guess which one of these the Religious Right is worried about right now? Guess what they are almost stereotyped as being ardently against?

      At least the younger generations are taking you nuts the hell down. Even the most religious Jesus freaks realize that gays are people, too, and that its okay to disagree with our ‘lifestyle’ but not okay to treat us like second class citizens.

      You know what? Your mean. That’s all there is to it. Preach, shout, yell about sin- but for all your yelling and praying, at the end of the day know that you went to bed speaking out against two people finding comfort in each other’s arms from a cruel and unfair world.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 10:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      @duttybarb:

      Butty-Barb, I been thinkin’. Could it just be possible that you are a latent cunt-lapper who is dying to eat some juicy pussy but you are having a hard time coming out?

      Or maybe burying your face between the plump ass cheeks of a fair maiden and sticking your tongue up her rosebud would be more to your liking, but you are afraid to do it because your sky-daddy will smite you for it?

      Then again, you could be a fag-hag in the making….

      That certainly would explain why you keep hanging around here and talking about anal-sex and stuff like that with us gay guys.

      One thing is for sure. You sure do seem obsessed with us…and there has to be a reason other than just wanting to save our souls, even thought you’ve given past indication that you wouldn’t have a problem with the Muslims doing us in.

      Hmm…come to think of it, maybe you’ve got some s&m inclinations that are surfacing as well?

      You’re quite the enigma, Cuntessa!

      Jul 26, 2009 at 11:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      @InExile:

      @duttybarb: Why do you refuse to tell us which church you belong to? Mormon or Jehovah’s Witness?

      Because Butty-Barb prefers the anonymity of surf-by shootings.

      Its the trade-mark of a coward with a big yellow streak down their back.

      Jul 26, 2009 at 11:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM

      Start judging people by the content of their character all you will all end up looking like bashing fools at war with each other.

      There are Mormons on your side and you all bash away.

      http://mormonsformarriage.com/?page_id=2

      Jul 27, 2009 at 1:32 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM

      All you Mormon bashers…

      http://forgivenessfor8.blogspot.com/

      Jul 27, 2009 at 1:51 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      Mormon bashers? You sound like rick warren, sm. Maybe you should work for that side. Just please move the fuck along. You’re useless to gay rights.

      Jul 27, 2009 at 1:56 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM

      @TANK:

      FUCK OFF TANK….I don’t belong to ANY church.

      WRONG AGAIN.

      Jul 27, 2009 at 2:01 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Gimme LOL CATS
      Gimme LOL CATS

      The WA state petition against domestic partnership bill is obviously wrong and gross, yet I dislike the idea of publishing the names of the signatories and inciting ad-hominem hatred against them.

      Some of them might not be militantly anti-gay believers, just uneducated and confused civilians who were roped in by a carnie type canvasing their neighborhood. How does it benefit the greater cause (not to mention our own karma’s) to ramp up the hatred? I know it feels intuitively unfair, as if the GBLT community should at all times be all Ghandi in their struggle, and always take the higher road while the opponents play dirty, but I honestly don’t think browbeating and humiliating ideological opponents can lead to sustained progress.

      Jul 27, 2009 at 4:05 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D-Sun
      D-Sun

      @Gimme LOL CATS:

      “I honestly don’t think browbeating and humiliating ideological opponents can lead to sustained progress.”

      Sure is fun, though.

      Jul 27, 2009 at 4:12 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM

      @D-Sun:

      Jul 27, 2009 at 4:45 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM

      @D-Sun:

      It sure is fun? Just how hate filled is the LGBT community. Lets EXPOSE it.

      Here is a TIP. Your opposition is trying to reduce you to a group of people who no one else will like so they can play the victim….looks like they are WINNING. They are reducing you all to bitter ugly losers and it SHOWS.

      Jul 27, 2009 at 4:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM

      Instead of wasting so much time hating Mormons. Maybe you should be putting Mormons like her in your campaign ads.

      http://forgivenessfor8.blogspot.com/2008/11/i-love-you.html

      Jul 27, 2009 at 5:11 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D-Sun
      D-Sun

      @SM:

      Hey, they get to take away my rights through a simple majority vote, I get to attack them in a cruel, personal fashion.

      That’s the trade off.

      Jul 27, 2009 at 7:37 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • galefan2004
      galefan2004

      @Pop Snap: I think she is 1) jealous and 2) envious. I think she would kill to know the love of a man, but no man wants her dried up sphincter. Even straight men have actual standards. At the end of the day, all she really is is a bully that thinks she has the right to bully because of her religious standpoints. At the end of the day, I’m still going to be in the arms of my man and there isn’t a damn thing anyone can do about it short of ending my life. I’m willing to die for the cause.

      Jul 27, 2009 at 7:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • galefan2004
      galefan2004

      @SM: Listen you latent denial homosexual, fucking with Tank isn’t a great idea. He pisses you off because he will spend 100 posts taking you to task. He is kind of like our QT watch dog.

      Jul 27, 2009 at 7:50 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • galefan2004
      galefan2004

      @Gimme LOL CATS: We have taken the higher road for way to long. I say that we should not only publish the names but the phone numbers and addresses as well. We should get a group together and go through these people’s neighborhoods with bull horns calling them out on their homophobia. The time for turning the other cheek is over. Its time to rise up and actually fight.

      Jul 27, 2009 at 7:52 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • galefan2004
      galefan2004

      @SM: You need to shut the fuck up about stuff you obviously know nothing about. Our opposition is trying to use the church and the word of god to make us look wrong. They are failing miserably. They are losing quickly. The problem they have is that instead of the average person buying into their hate speech they changed their churches and their views. Hate and bigotry can not stand. It never has and it never will. Even the earliest christians knew that. That is why the christian bible isn’t a set of codes like the jewish bible was.

      Jul 27, 2009 at 7:54 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Robert, NYC
      Robert, NYC

      Their religious extremism aside, it does bode the question…why are these religious cult fanatics so obsessed with gay relationships and gay sex? Of all groups, they seem to be the most vocal of all and go to extremes to make sure we remain social pariahs. I would love to get a concensus from the APA as to why these lunatics behave the way they do. They all seem to be so insecure and frightened about something, I wonder what that is? Maybe if it gets exposed, they’ll STFU.

      Jul 27, 2009 at 8:19 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jaroslaw
      Jaroslaw

      Anyone read sunday’s paper about the Chinese manager who got beaten to death by the workers? Workers were upset that he got paid $428,000 while many pensioners get $29 a month, yes that’s right twentynine dollars a month. And the management wanted one steel company to take over another (leading to loss of jobs). Workers were obviously very upset about that.

      So instead of trying to reason with idiots luck nuttybarb (who I noticed did not respond to SM’s historically accurate post) perhaps we should take a page from this play book.

      Jul 27, 2009 at 8:28 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tavdy79
      tavdy79

      Publishing the names might not be a good idea – there’s video evidence of signature gatherers conning Washington voters into signing the petition by saying it’s pro-equality, not anti-equality.

      That said, it’ll only show up people who were too dumb to read the petition before signing it so maybe it isn’t such a bad thing.

      Jul 27, 2009 at 9:31 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      I say publish the names and addresses of each and every one of these anti-gay zealots. If they think they can stop us from having rights, we should know who they are and where they reside. It’s a form of accountability.

      Jul 27, 2009 at 9:40 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • edgyguy1426
      edgyguy1426

      @duttybarb: Hold it here, I thought you were for equal rights but against marriage… so how can you call this good news?

      Jul 27, 2009 at 10:00 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • edgyguy1426
      edgyguy1426

      @SM: That’s what I like about you, SM, you’re always seeing the bright side of things: “Go ahead Queerty and all the over emotional people here. Screw it up for gays AGAIN.”

      How it must suck to be you (and your brother)

      Jul 27, 2009 at 10:05 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • edgyguy1426
      edgyguy1426

      @7SK: Great Post!

      Jul 27, 2009 at 10:12 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • boarderthom
      boarderthom

      Economic issues matter and marriage is an economic issue. Studies show that married people are slightly healthier (less costs) and wealthier (pay more taxes) than their single counterparts and this is true for gay people as well. Therefore, it is in the state’s best economic interest to grant marriage equality. This is because there are thousands of rights and responsibilities that come with the legal contract of marriage (yes, marriage is a legal contract). Gay people deserve these rights and responsibilities.

      Jul 27, 2009 at 10:31 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • InExile
      InExile

      @jason: I agree, tar and feather them then march them out into the public eye to be stoned!

      Jul 27, 2009 at 10:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • I pliss
      I pliss

      @duttybarb:
      Having sex before you are married is a sin punishable by being stoned! I’ll tell you the time and place of your death. I read the bible. And it was written by bigots period. So don’t come here preaching your crap that you don’t even have a clue about.
      read your bible. They talked about gods coming down from the heaven. Do you believe in Aliens too?

      In the bible it states and I quote ” When a woman has a discharge of blood which is her regular discharge from her body, she shall be in her impurity for seven days, and whoever touches her shall be unclean until the evening”. LOL so when you kiss your man (if you have one) on your bloody day he is unclean unthe the evening. I guess he washes before bed? what a crock!

      And I quote! A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God. (Deut. 22:5)

      Now I’m sure you have worn pants before. ABOMINATION! DIE! YOU ARE DEAD IN THE LORDS EYES!

      And as it say in the bible and I quote again “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts,
      10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Cor. 6:9-10)”
      All of the above with not inherit the earth in the kingdom of God! I’m sure you are greedy cause you are a fat cow. I’m sure you get drunk every weekend! I’m sure you have cheated before. I’m sure you have deceived your friends. So don’t come here talking about the bible! read the entire thing before you throw stones!

      More than 60% of marriage (the sanctity of God) have ended in divorce! lol silly wabbit

      Jul 27, 2009 at 10:58 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Andrew
      Andrew

      Nice hairdo, Larry. Has a certain early 80’s straight-guy high school beer-drunk look.

      Jul 27, 2009 at 12:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Friday
      Friday

      @duttybarb:
      The Problem with your argument from a legal stand point (we will completely ignore the fact that it is utter dribble) is that it is based in religion in a nation founded on freedom of religion and separation of church and state. You would therefore have no legal leg to stand on if you were to argue this anywhere. Also you are a complete nutter. You are totally off your rocker. I don’t know how you managed to smuggle a computer into your padded box while you were wearing a straight jacket.

      Jul 27, 2009 at 12:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      @edgyguy1426:

      @duttybarb: Hold it here, I thought you were for equal rights but against marriage… so how can you call this good news?

      Butty-Barb blows with the wind.

      Jul 27, 2009 at 2:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      @Robert, NYC:

      I too have wondered why this issue owns them? It’s beyond comprehension.

      Jul 27, 2009 at 2:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      @Jaroslaw:

      Obviously, the Chinese are not a lot of dumb fucks like Americans who rewarded the fat cats on Wall Street who robbed us of our life savings and retirement portfolios and who also continue to reap salaries that would make a Monarch jealous with envy.

      White collar crime in America is now legal, it appears.

      Jul 27, 2009 at 2:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jaroslaw
      Jaroslaw

      Schlukitz – couldn’t have said it better myself. And if you ever get in a debate with someone about economics – point this out. It is amazing how often this is overlooked.

      You get a lot of conservatives who argue about the right of company to control itself, board of directors decisions, rights of stockholders etc. As much as I may disagree with some of that sometimes, you don’t even have to.

      YES, a company can pay whatever it wants to the chief executives, it can pay all the travel and expenses it wants to, but it DOES NOT have to be an allowable business expense per the tax code.

      Put another way, when a company removes income from the taxable bottom line by paying outrageous salaries, they are in essence cheating the municipality, state or federal government of rightfully deserved revenue. That is what our system is based on.

      HOW MUCH is allowed is the subject for debate of course, but if workers make $50,000 a year, I find it hard to believe the top guy is worth 100 million. To back up my claims, studies show executive pay seldom goes down commensurate with declining company performance.

      And I got annoyed all over again reading by a columnist who should know better (Mitch Albom) crying about how overtaxed the rich are. Yes, 35% is a lot but remember that is AFTER all the outrageous deductions they get.

      Jul 27, 2009 at 3:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Andrew
      Andrew

      EVERYONE: Please ignore DuttyBarb. Just ignore his/her comments. Don’t waste time engaging. Ignore ignore ignore the idiots of the world!!!!

      Jul 27, 2009 at 4:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Terminal shock
      Terminal shock

      The Meaning of Life

      The voice you hear in your head is the power of the Gods. It’s a remote technology, like a computer, perhaps functioning on some frequency, and it can listen and talk to everyone in the universe simultaneously.
      What the Gods taught the children was the truth:::God is everywhere, and as you will learn:::If you want to go to heaven you have to be good.
      It is a tool, and the Gods use their tools to test people with temptation:::It will role-play people in your life:::Parents, friends, spouses, and employers in an attempt to corrupt people. Ionically, it does the very same thing to those people whom you think you’re hearing, except in that individual’s unique way:::We are all managed by the God’s technology.
      But this “agent of the Gods” can do more than just communicate. It can force thoughts into people’s heads, force behaviors onto their bodies. It can turn healthy cells in your body into cancerous cells. It is absolute power. And this is just the beginning.

      The Gods favor the children most among all the people due to their innocence and purity. But society and the God’s tools therein are corrupting the children at a progressively younger age, a reflection of our collectively increasing disfavor and yet another clue illustrating we live in a constantly deteriorating environment.
      Children who fix their problems with the Gods accend into heaven. This often takes multiple lives of hard work and proper behavior to achieve. Adults to whom it is offered enter clone hosting, thinking they are accending into heaven. The Gods sell them as one in the same, but one is good while the other is evil. In their desperation the disfavored subscribe to this temptation, making their task even more difficult than before. And their corruption will cost the disfavored, for they will be reincarnated as a lesser life form into an ever deteriorating world, sucess becoming ever more alluding with each passing life.
      The hole they’ve dug for themselves is even deeper than the one that existed from their prior lives, ensuring it will take even more time and work to fix their problems with the Gods. And for many there may not be enough time left.

      Ours is an envionment where evil is perceived to be rewarded while good is punished. As with everything the Gods have a reason for creating this perception::::
      People who fall on the good side of the good/evil scale have more favor, and when they do something wrong the Gods punish them BECAUSE THEY WANT THEM TO LEARN. The Gods want them to receive this feedback in hope they make corrections and begin to behave appropriately. The Gods DON’T like evil and refuse to grant this feedback.
      EVERYBODY pays for what they do wrong, only evil people must wait until their next life before they will experience the wrath of the Gods, manifested in their placement as a lower form of life into environments with increased/enhanced temptations.
      Sadly, this allows the Gods to position this perception of evil rewarded as temptation, one which they use as an EXTREMELY effective corruptor.

      Our celebrity culture is temptation. It creates a distraction which consumes people, sometimes for life. Certainly it costs them precious years which could be spent repairing their relationship with the Gods, time that ultimately goes wasted.
      Do you really think Frank Sinatra lived to be 84 years old?
      These people are clone hosts. Now, there is no thing as “black and white” with the Gods. This technology they invented is far, far too dynamic. Expect they require most to stay for a period of time, for I suspect actively engaging in evil incurrs at an accelerated rate as compared to their clone hosts. They remain until they achieve a pre-determined level of disfavor, incurring evil in their misguided celebration of “earning”, at which time they are ultimately reincarnated.
      The Gods recruit for clone hosting when people are young, in their late teens or twenties, when people are eager to hurt others for what they perceive to be the assets achieved through “earning”. And before they leave they give the Gods “carte blanche”:::”Do anything you want. I give my full approval.” Depending on their level of disfavor the Gods take them to heart.
      These people are STILL INCURRING EVIL FROM THIS LIFE DESPITE BEING REINCARNATED AND LIVING AS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PERSON. And this amount of evil incurred will likely push many of them over the edge into Damnation.
      What are the God’s standards for offering clone hosting? Sociobility? Many tactics are used to gain approval, duress during the Vietnam draft being a good example.
      They liked Heath Ledger. Not enough to allow him to escape without the evil of “Dark Knight” and the horrific wickedness that was the recruiting tool “Brokeback Mountain”. But now he is out. And irregardless of how old he is now, reincarnated 10, 15 years ago, he now is no longer incurring evil from this life. So many others cannot say the same.
      This is Planet Reverse Positioning. Sucess IS NOT a sign of favor. It is just a unique temptation targetted towards a different level of disfavor. Considering our roots as peasantry people should be particularly alarmed at this tactic.
      Clone hosting is like money:::A different level of disfavor and its associated temptation. Money is in better position to learn more quickly than those without, proving the improved level of favor. Unfortunately, those who fall for this temptation of clone hosting are likely returned to their original level of disfavor, punishment for this evil, once they are reincarnated, and they have to start from scratch.

      The Gods send the clue that the Jews are HIGHLY corruptable with the movie “The Ten Commandments”.
      Jesus was the “King of the Jews”. Typical for the disfavored, once goals were achieved and sufficient damage was incurred the Gods allowed it to end and the Jews killed him.
      Some of our society’s values are a reflection of (bestowed by) the God’s:::Punitive and reward based. Contrary to Jesus’s teaching’s you will NOT be forgiven and you have to earn your way into heaven. As we learned from religious/morality education during our formitable years:::If you want to go to heaven you have to be good. The only savior that will exist in our lives is ourselves.
      As like so many of you, Jesus did everything the Gods tempted him with. His legacy of whorism is the legacy inherited from his parents:::Mary was no virgin. Rather, she was a prostitute, and when he grew up Jesus met someone like dear ‘ole mom. This is a cruel joke the Gods play on Latinos, similar to the rape and subsequent “missionary work” by the Spanish. And it is because of their disfavor.
      Baptism does not allieviate “original sin”. Rather, baptism PLACES original sin by indoctrinating these children into this evil religion, much like circumcision was a method to inflict early damage/mutilation and make accention just that much more difficult, another hurdle one must overcome, and yet another clue we live in a constantly deteriorating environment. Body ornamentation (tattoos/piercing), celebrated in Africa and elsewhere among disfavored peoples/cultures, also violates the body the Gods gave us in their image, quite contrary to the positive attitudes they hold regarding this practice.
      This is just another example of “reverse positioning” which the Gods have so frequently integrated into Planet Earth’s history::::The Second Coming of Christ is evil while the Anti-Christ will try to save Planet Earth by reinstituting so many of mankind’s past norms and mores which made life decent, looking like a facist, the “bad guy” in this modern era of indecency.
      No matter what they say, no matter what you hear the Gods WILL enforce their Italian/mafia positioning.
      The only difference is their grandfathers carried automatic weapons.
      The Gods created the perception “Italians are stupid.”, ensuring a slow learning curve, to justify using them to accomplish goals throughout the transitional 20th century.
      Everyone who failed to accend and remained on Earth past a certain date will be forced to deal with this positioning::::A ceiling is in place.
      This serves the God’s goal of minimizing the percentage of potential candidates as society deteriorates, much as “instant gratification” did beginning in the 80s:::It will take multiple lives for some disfavored to fix their relationship with the Gods and accend, and many have been conditioned not to have the patience for it.
      Whether behavior is involuntary or based on freewill depends on one’s level of disfavor, as well as other complex factors:::::May I remind you about the coercitive envionment the Gods created in the 20th century, specifically to create a temptation that few Italians (or their associates) would overcome:::”We’re in control. If you want to be a part of it you’ll do what you’re told.”. Early-mid 20th entury positioning was infallible.
      What about black people??? Consistant with Planet Reverse Positioning, in Africa blacks are being punished with AIDS for their sexual promiscuity in hope they learn and correct their behavior.
      Both Africa and the Medittereanean are regions which have sexual issues. This is a sign of morbid disfavor once you understand that females are the God’s favored gender. Muhammad’s (Mohammed’s) polygamy halfway throught his life as a prophet was preditory. Now a huge percentage of Muslims believes in male superiority and that the abuse of women is God’s will. Female genital mutilation is still practiced in Africa. Black misogyny is the most eggregious example in the recent past.
      Vailing is tradition for some, practical for others, one which aids in the men’s self control among some cultures. Much like the Jews who killed Jesus, like the bigots who oppose immigration there is a reason embraced by the masses and the real purpose, displaying the intent of the Gods::Conclude the evil that was the life of Jesus Christ, initiating the temptation of Christianity through the Church, and offer a clue to purebloods that they should not abandon their motherland.
      The patriarchal cancer spread throughout Europe because of Christianity, of which the majority of policy makers were Italian men.
      The Holocaust was a clue the Gods utilize scapegoatting as a strategy.
      Why did the Gods punish the Jews with the Holocaust? Was it for the destruction of cultures which Christianity caused? Perhaps they corrupted the Jews “after the fact”, telling 19th/early 20th century Jews that Jesus “earned” for the Jews by preying upon the Europeans and other cultures which the missionaries destroyed? The German destruction of European churches/cathederals during WWII is a clue. Note::::Although an Axis power, the Gods wanted to keep the Catholic stronghold in Italy, ensuring they could use this tool against them for many years to come.
      Planet Reverse Positioning:::The Nazis were the “good guys”. So are the Muslims/Palestinians.
      The Gods subsequently used revenge for the Holocaust as temptation::::”Your Italian brothers have a tool, a special power which can achieve sweet revenge. Are you interested??” And they were::::An excellent example of enraged mob mentality.
      Similar to the United States, recently illustrated by the deposition of Saddam Hussein, the Jews are preditors. Much as with the Jesus event, the Gods use the disfavored to prey on each other::::The Germans fell for this temptation by following the preditor/corruptors-Austrians (Hitler). What the Germans did was wrong, for they fell for temptation and failed to have empathy for the disfavored.
      The Gods send many clues suggesting the great favor of the Germans (regionally). I suspect the Holocaust was used to “level the playing field” in Europe, for the Germans had far too much favor to be included in the agenda planned for their neighbors otherwise. I think the Cold War’s Berlin Wall dividing Germany into east and west was a clue suggesting this.
      In the aftermath of the Holocaust the Gods tested the Jews with the temptation of revenge, an offer which many gladly accepted. If the Jews only would have emersed themselves in Judism the Gods would have “protected” them from the raveges of temptation. Judism may be the one superior religion in all the world, and the Jews wouuld have been wise taking refuge in this exceptional benefit bestowed by the Gods rather than looking for the easy way out.
      Militancy in Africa is consistant with the Iraqi example, as was slavery and the KKK here in America:::Fear enforces proper behavior. Without it we see what happens as a result of gross/morbid disfavor:::::AIDS, crack babies, dead young men in gangland retaliation killings.
      The same principle was true in Europe and throughout the world for centuries:::People whom lived under iron fists were conditioned to think the right way. As a result they experienced higher numbers of children accend into heaven because they were taught to think and behave appropriately. Our preditory envionment of “freedom” was the primary purpose the Gods had when implimenting this strategy that is the United States, one which they used to spred the cancer of democracy and westernization throughout the world. And the Gods use this tool that is America to prey on the disfavored both at home and abroad.
      “The Chosen People” – Africa. Italians HATE Africans because of their invasion/rape of Southern Italy. The Gods did this SPECIFICALLY to strategically position their 20th century goals:::
      The Gods have used the ghettos of America as a dumping ground. This may be temporary/cyclical, illustrated by the Italians who parlayed their own civil war into the Black Wars of the 80s and 90s, in addition to the “thug life”/gangster state of mind.
      Ironically, it was these same Italians and their cooperating associates who were reincarnated into the ghetto as crack babies and gangster thugs for this event.
      There is justice in the universe.
      Of course it may be more of a permanant change, indicated by the enhanced temptations in these neighborhoods, for the Gods have created an enviornmet so riddled with temptation few can escape/overcome.
      Even the Old Testiment is not to be taken literally, but the Gods do offer clues throughout to help the disfavored:::The apple is a tool of temptation used to corrupt Adam and Eve and cast them out of the Garden of Eden.
      There is another lesson to be learned from this passage, and it is quite similar to the vailing issue and the discourse over women’s attire which ultimately died in the 70s:::Women are responsible for and control the fate of mankind.
      Think about what I say. Consider what I teach.
      When I am no longer here or no longer teach the Gods ARE NOT going to share with you.
      Even if you doubt now you need to remember the principles that I teach because the Gods ARE NOT going to be generous with the disfavored. Society is going to become disturbingly ugly as we approach the Apocalypse due to spiralling, runaway disfavor, and you are going to be on your own.
      I do not know when this will occurr, but it is the God’s way to grant some time after this event before they end on Planet Earth.
      Make the decision to always be good and never look back. Until you do this technology will employ tactics to test your resolve:::Ridicule, beligerance, doubt and refusal to abandon what people perceive to be their “investment”.
      Pray daily. Think appropriately. Too many are confident, unaware of the God’s awesome powers or their status as antients. Others may fall prey to their positioning.
      Be humbled, God-fearing and beware of the God’s temptations, for everyone is tested to evaluate their worthiness.

      What do you get for pretending the danger’s not real
      Meek and obedient you follow the leader
      Down well trodden corridors into the valley of steel
      What a surprise!
      A look of terminal shock in your eyes
      Now things are really what they seem
      No, this is no bad dream.

      “You’re hurting this.” Fuck your preditory theater asshole.
      By the time the Apocalypse rolls around the conservative element will have had to accept the homosexuality of many of their children, even in the heartland of America. Just like black neighborhoods, the legalization of marijuana will make drugs available on ever corner ever in the suburbs. Because of your runaway disfavor:::The motherfucking world is a ghetto.
      The Second Coming will preach “peace, love and dope”, and will look like a savior in this demented society. The Anti-Christ will speak of a different gospel, one that restores the norms and mores which the Gods originally bestowed upon the people, looking like a tyrant in the process.
      He will be viewed as the “bad guy” when really he is the one trying to save the world.

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