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A Haunting Exhibit Looks Back At The Nazi Persecution of Homosexuals

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    • Spike
      Spike

      Curious how/why those of Jewish decent continue to receive reparations from Germany, yet gays, got nothing, nor have they continued to use their victimization to guilt the World community into letting them do anything they want and continue to collect billions in foreign aid all the while ignoring UN mandates.

      Dec 11, 2012 at 11:27 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tdx3fan
      tdx3fan

      @Spike: Same reason that Native American people are less vocal about their treatment at the hands of the founders of this country while other minorities continue to use their oppression as an excuse for anything they ever desire to get away with. There are simply less Native Americans so their voice can not possibly be as loud.

      Dec 11, 2012 at 11:55 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little-Kiwi
      Little-Kiwi

      it’s frankly stunning that the gay aspect is left out of nearly all teachings on WWII in history classes.

      not only did an openly gay man play one of the biggest roles in ENDING WWII, his life after the war is all but ignored.

      Alan Turing. created the enigma device. cracked the nazi code. invented the modern computer. and later committed suicide after the war, as he was so hounded and persecuted for being gay.

      the gay men freed from the nazi deathcamps, who where then thrown into JAIL by the allied forces.

      “hey! we’re gonna stop you from being gassed! oh, wait. you’re gay? off to jail”

      when we forget or ignore our collective history we are doomed to repeat it.

      Dec 11, 2012 at 3:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fagburn
      fagburn

      Turing didn’t “crack” the Enigma code – he invented a way of speeding it up.
      Gay men were sent to prison and concentration camps.
      Jews were sent to death camps – to pretend otherwise is morally obscene.

      Dec 11, 2012 at 3:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mooz
      Mooz

      @Little-Kiwi: Side note:
      Turing broke the Enigma encryption, he did not invent the machine. He created a scientific model for a Turing Machine (a general purpose computer).

      Dec 11, 2012 at 3:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little-Kiwi
      Little-Kiwi

      where did i pretend Jews weren’t sent to death camps?

      Dec 11, 2012 at 3:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mooz
      Mooz

      @fagburn: He (and his team) did crack the code, otherwise they would still be deciphering those messages now.

      Dec 11, 2012 at 3:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little-Kiwi
      Little-Kiwi

      a gay man was as responsible for ending WWII as any heterosexual member of the Greatest Generation. and his being gay led him to the persecution that caused him to end his life.

      and this should utterly be taught in schools.

      Dec 11, 2012 at 3:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 2eo
      2eo

      @Mooz: I don’t mean to brag but I’ve seen the original blueprints and gotten to see the machine [original and re-built] at Bletchley Park.

      Also on a topical note, isn’t it pathetic that the Allies jailed homosexuals after the war, and left thousands to die of starvation and disease yet rushed to pardon thousands of Nazi doctors and scientists.

      We were kinder to the enemy than we were to our own, what a criminal indictment of humanity.

      Dec 11, 2012 at 3:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mooz
      Mooz

      @2eo: I’m jealous :)

      On topic: I hope all we realize that this story is not unique for gay men. Any society that allows bigotry against a group of people is eventually capable of doing horrendous things. “Kick’em while they’re down” is a nasty human trait. History has taught us that much.

      Dec 11, 2012 at 5:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tidalpool
      tidalpool

      While it is true jews were killed in numbers almost impossible to comprehend, gay men, along with Romas, Jehovah’s Whitnesses, retarded people, poles, eastern europeans, clerics and catholic nuns were imprisoned, forced to work in labour camps and factories and most , if not all, ended up in the death camps. Spike somehow has equated the death of perhaps 6 million or more with perhaps 50,000 assorted others as some how comparative. Many homosexuals were not only admired in the third reich, many benefited in ways we some how over look. Factory owners,entertainers, club owners, designers, architects, musicans all flourished under the reich. My point is some homosexuals suffered horribly under the nazis, all jews that could be identified suffered, all, not some, notjust the ugly ones, notjust the religious ones, all of them. Genocide is a word we are much more casual about today. If we learned nothing following WW2, it must be , “NEVER AGAIN!’

      Dec 11, 2012 at 5:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • alterego1980
      alterego1980

      Watch the movie Bent with Clive Owen & Lothaire Bluteau. It depicts this exact situation. From what I’ve read, it did the truth a sad painful justice…

      Dec 11, 2012 at 6:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fagburn
      fagburn

      @Little-Kiwi: PS It’s also unclear if Turing committed suicide, but carry on with your gay histronics…

      Dec 11, 2012 at 8:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • andy_d
      andy_d

      Then there is the little known gay leader within the Dutch underground killed by the Nazis. The Holocaust Museum made mention of him during a lecture on Gays in the Holocaust. There are also Gays and Lesbians included in the “identity cards” handed out at the museum.

      IMO, the National Holocaust Museum is a true national treasure and deserves every penny of support it receives.

      Dec 12, 2012 at 10:38 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • nawinter77
      nawinter77

      It’s pretty well recognized that Alan Turing committed suicide, it’s also well accepted that his suicide, despite the fact that there is the possibility of accidental ingestion of cyanide, was most likely due to the brutal treatment he received after being tried criminally for being a homosexual.

      Regardless if Turing’s death was suicide or accident, he *was* and still is a national hero and his treatment by the UK is unconscionable. Ask any woman who has had to deal with debilitating depression from hormonal birth control and she’ll tell you… hormone therapy is no laughing matter. I cannot even begin to imagine what the doses Turing had to endure were like.

      Dec 12, 2012 at 11:31 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Provine
      Provine

      Meanwhile, we’re all living through the ongoing Christian persecution of homosexuals.

      Dec 14, 2012 at 12:12 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      @tidalpool:

      While you make many good points, no, most gay men did NOT “end up in the death camps.” Most were sent to “work camps,” although perhaps 9000 died there. Yes, “dead is dead,” but there is a HUGE difference between being sent to the type of camp where you would be put to death as soon as possible, and those in which your death was the result of a variety of barbaric circumstances. As bad as it was, and as much as its stories must be told again and again, anyone who speaks of a “Gay Holocaust” doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Thank you.

      Jan 10, 2013 at 7:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Scott Rose
      Scott Rose

      At the link below is the full text of the “Reichskonkordat,” the political treaty between the Vatican and Adolf Hitler. At the time this treaty was signed, the anti-Jewish racial laws were already in force in Nazi Germany:
      Here is an example of what is in the treaty:
      Article 3
      In order to foster good relations between the Holy See and the German Reich, an apostolic nuncio will reside in the capital of the German Reich and an ambassador of the German Reich at the Holy See.
      http://www.concordatwatch.eu/showkb.php?org_id=858&kb_header_id=752&kb_id=1211

      Jan 10, 2013 at 8:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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