Barney Frank is quoted on the AFT website speaking hate about transfolk.

Lesbian hate of trans women is a decades old phenomenon.

Gay and lesbian racism is as common as air.

And what the religious types say? Total disagreement. They are simply wrong.

spreads HATE about gay people and has nudity on their site from the Folsom Street fair as “examples” of how “prerverse” we are.

They are asking for Donations through PAYPAL.

** Complain and report them to PAYPAL at aupviolations@paypal.com and compliance@paypal.com let’s have their PAYPAL ACCOUNT taken away from them for “TERMS OF SERVICE” violations.

Paypal TOS clearly state there is to be no pornography /nudity , or Hate involved in the use of their service *see* http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/.....me-outside

If your assertions are correct, it’ll be interesting to see if Equality Utah can get the LDS to back up their stance on civil unions for LGBT folks in Utah.

Something that I’m wondering about… wondering if y’all have figured it out yet.

The question: Why now, why at this juncture, is the Mormon Church getting involved? Why the sudden concern, when they’re usually busy worrying about polygamy.

First, a brief history lesson: The LDS had a strong prohibition against caffeine… right til the very day that they purchased Pepsi, after which caffeine was decreed to be good.

Still wondering? Okay, here it is, spelled out: LDS is nothing, if not very capable, shrewd busienssmen. Gay MARRIAGE was going to cost them a sheer fortune in truly equal benefits. Marriage would bestow the homosexual portion of the married world with millions of dollars in benefits PER YEAR that they didn’t want to pay for. Better to fight this thing now, while it was still small and weak, (so they thought) than be paying all those millions year after year. It’s pure dollars and cents. And now it will make sense. Now you’ll see how they can be so cold-hearted, how supposed Conservatives can toss out the Constitution so readily. Comes down to money, and lots of it.

How much does El Coyote stand to lose if they have to start paying for equal rights on their employees? Or maybe she was just obeying her Elders.

That’s just the way I am responding. Respond however you see fit. I only wish I was a chef or owner of a large food outlet who could control where my company obtains foodstuffs. I will buy Chilean, French, Italian, Australian, German wines or wines produced in other states. If I ate avocadoes, I would buy Mexican. I will buy no fruit, no vegetables, no meat produced in California, and definitely no dairy from their happy cows. I will not buy Californian if it comes from a region that went for Prop 8.

I will not stay in a Marriott property nor watch a movie in a Cinemark cinema. I will do my best to see that as little of my money goes to those myth believing folks in Utah, or California as possible. I will continue to oppose any effort by religious nuts to ass rape me with their phony beliefs. I will continue to only donate to charities not affiliated with a religion. There are hundreds available such as Doctors Without Borders, Amfar, Amnesty International, my local rugby club. I will give to Toys for Tots and the local food bank, but I will not give to the Salvation Army. It is time, to stop acting like a bunch of sissies and show them what towering bitches we can be when our own are threatened by those with most of the power.

“Seems kinda like it did. I got what I wanted, hothead.”

A date with Mark Foley? Congrats!

Seems kinda like it did. I got what I wanted, hothead.

That wasn’t a threat. It was a reality check, if only you had the sense to realize it.

Consider what happens when 10% of the taxes go away. If we all stopped paying taxes, there wouldn’t be enough IRS agents to even attempt to get pushy about it. Just one possibility.

Fact is, while we are 5-10% of the population, there are many more who are our parents, sibblings, friends and children, who love us and support us. Whenever we have boycotted a business, things have changed. Beer manufacturers know better. Wendy’s, Cracker Barrel, and others may still be Right-Wing, but you don’t see them up in our faces anymore.

You’d like to brand us Impotent and get us to believe it. We are far from impotent. In the same way that some of us are amongst the best soldiers, the best pilots, the best boxers, martial artists, etc., and that doesn’t fit into your stereotypes, some of us are wealthy. Melissa Etheridge pays about half a million a year in taxes. David Geffen’s tax bill is in the millions. The biggest GNP of this nation is full of gay people, and our friends… and others who simply recognize that it is wrong to deny us equality. Do you think that’s impotence? You think that’s Cute?

I realize you were just trying to bait me, to piss me off. It didn’t work, just gave me another reason to show you up for the silly tart that you are.

Have a nice da-ay.

I love it when you guys make threats. It’s SO cute!

Uhm, get a clue. She went out of her way to go to a Gay Marriage rally, to make and take out her big cross and to decry our right to Equal Protection under the U.S. Constitution.

Who was it who harassed whom?

I’m about done with this entire subject. The religious homophobes don’t care to see reason, or recognize that they attacked us, our relationships, the validity of our love, AND our civil rights. Now they want to claim that we hate, when we just want to be left alone to love and have our relationships as equal citizens, in peace.

To say that gay people are haters is laughable. To suggest that we’re inherently violent is even more funny, because it was just a few days before that you were swearing we’re all limp-wristed and impotent.

It has been a long while since you pressed us hard and we fought back at Stonewall. That was the beginning of the Gay Rights Movement. Now you’ve done it again, gone out of your way to attack us and deny us peaceful co-existence. If you thought Stonewall was fighting back, you haven’t seen anything yet. If you think we’ve flexed our muscle, you haven’t seen anything yet.

No one will tolerate oppression forever. The homophobes amongst you have begun a war. Pray that the U.S. Supreme Court rescues you from your fate. If you force us to this war, you will find we’re far stronger than you ever imagined — stronger than some of us even realize.

A pacifist isn’t someone who CANNOT fight. It’s someone who prefers and chooses not to do so. We are pacifists; We prefer peace. But we also carry the adviso: Don’t corner us, don’t attack us or those we love. A wise one would heed that warning. Take your invasions on our liberties back. Go back home, love your families as best as you’re able, and leave us to do the same.

“If everyone has the right to marry whomever they want unconditionally then this country turns to chaos.”

And there we have the sum of all your fears. How laughable! How entirely worthy of ridicule! This country’s turning to chaos will not be caused by people taking whom they want as a spouse, nor by civil contracts to similar extent. You even went so far as to propose the horrors of a 50 year old gay man marrying his 25 year old son. If you truly believe that happening would bring the nation to chaos, you’re deluded, and your cerebral faculties are clearly impaired.

It’s far more than unlikely. The only reason a 50 year old man would “Marry” his son would be to allow him to inherit because bigots have somehow precluded him from doing so otherwise. Stevie Nicks “Married” a man so that she could legally adopt that man’s child, so that she could pass along some of her wealth to that child, and ensure the child’s financial well-being. This is the same sort of thing.

That you’d present the arguement of the 50 year old gay father is further proof of your homophobia and ignorance. When we have children, we see them as most decent heterosexual parents see them. They are our CHILDREN. They are not sexual to us. We’ve known them since they were infants, changed their diapers, held them when they were frightened, tended to them when they were sick, taken them to their first day of school, watched proudly as they developed and grew and graduated… and only a sick SOB would dare to presume that the relationship between parent and child is any different because of our orientation. How about I propose that 50 year old hetero men want to marry their 25 year old daughters? That’d be offensive, and rightly so… because it would never happen, because fathers don’t see their daughters that way. Neither do we see our sons that way. Oddly enough, it’s HETERO men who break that inherent rule and have sex with their minor daughters — at alarming rates. How about you look to the log in your own eye? Where are the millions of dollars to spend on fighting against THAT, which truly is wrong and has a victim?

Your fears are unfounded. The world will not end, and there will be no chaos when people marry whom they choose. Go home, love your spouse and children, whatever their orientation. The mass is ended. Go in peace.

It is said also, that there are no poor Mormons. They are excellent money managers and are taught from a very early age to save as well as tithe to the Church.

Consequently, it came as no great surprise to me that the Mormon Church members were able to raise such a vast sum of money in support of Prop.8 in California.

Who knew, however, that they would choose to use it to support such a horrible cause when so much good could have done with it instead.

If you want peaceful coexistence, that’s simply done. Stop actively trying to control other people.

As to the LDS, I’ve had three partners who were raised LDS. I was with the first for a bit less than six years. The second and third were a matter of months. The first was traumatized by the very notion of coming out, the second had blown off most of it, but his rebellion against that church’s rules pushed him far into sexual rebellion, and the last, the youngest of the bunch, is so conflicted that he’s a walking mess.

Let’s talk about this last one for a bit. A very loving, very supportive family, as most LDS families are. Nurtured, given every reason to succeed in life. Just one small flaw: They’ve had the heterosexual thing beaten into their heads SO hard, so many times, that they’re certain God will hate them, their families will hate them, and that they will lose all of that love, if anyone ever finds out… that they have brown eyes. Yep, just brown eyes. Their Quirk is just as insignificant, just as much beyond their control as the color of their eyes. But the fear is crippling. The fear instilled in them causes them to be torn apart inside. Just TRY to imagine being afraid of losing the love of your families, being outcast, for something you can’t change, and have no control over. Imagine the raw terror they feel at the prospect that they MIGHT find out. And so they lie, because lying is a lesser sin than loving someone of the same gender. And they hide, and they even drag unwitting women into the frey, in attempts to be found worthy of their family’s love, to do as you say God commands… and this fear ruins lives, but it doesn’t make your sons or daughters straight. Far too often, they even commit suicide, because even THAT is a lesser evil than being gay.

Over the years, your intolerant, unrealistic beliefs, (which were only ever meant to be a standard to aspire towards, not an inflexible rule,) have killed untold thousands of your children. They have tortured hundreds of thousands, millions more of your children. Is this why you raised them up in such love? Is this what your God commands of you?

God does not want insincere hearts singing his praises, just going through the motions, without meaning it. Nor does God want insincere heterosexuals, married to a woman, but not being in love with her (and that is bound to leave her hurting and crying herself to sleep at night as well.) God does not want any of this. I am certain that God is greatly offended by these results — far more greatly than He may EVER be about two people of the same gender being in a committed, loving relationship, treating each other well, being nurturing and supportive of each other.

What a terrible shame that the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints is so very good at raising children who know how to be loving and committed… but forbids that they do so with the person they love, over something so slight as a XY chromosome.

If you believe that God wants you to hate your children over this, or to torture them, that’s your religion. I may find you despicable for it, (and I have, as I watched someone I love anguish over the beliefs you claim came from God). But I don’t begin to consider keeping you from those beliefs, or forbidding your religion in this land of ours.

I leave you to your ways, and I wouldn’t ever try to use force of law to take that right away from you. Do unto your brother as you would have him do unto you. Stop trying to control us, impose your concept of God upon us, and stop trying to use force of law to keep us from our happy, loving relationships which are equal under the law.

Oddly enough, though not surprising, he never did answer the original question. My response was elaborate, as usual (read: longwinded) and within it I’d explained how these legislations sought to make ours a lesser union, with lesser rights, that it wasn’t just about the word “Marriage.” Then he said that if he’d known that he’d have been opposed to it.

What content-filtering device do these people have planted in their heads? How the HELL do they manage to miss that, even if it DID include the M-word, we’re still entitled to marry whomever we please? WE live with our choice 365 days a year. They don’t live with our choices at all. What Adam & Steve do has NO bearing on you, Mr. Homophobe, and your wife, whether next door or three thousand miles away. What damages marriage is other people trying to chip away at a committed relationship. What threatens marriage are divorce, adultery, and those who would try to temp a committed spouse from another person. But the M-word, (which, by the way, never was owned by you, Mr. & Mrs. Homophobe,) has NO bearing. It is what we DO that defines us. Your marriage, just like ours, will rise and flourish or fall based on the actions of the people within that committed relationship. Ignorant hate can tear at our relationships, no matter what the orientation, but even that does not make us love or stop being loving.

So somebody tell me where WE are “hateful” for wanting the same chance at love as you enjoy, Mr. & Mrs. Hetro? Explain to me how it is that we’re Hateful for fighting back when a very small handful of people would deny us basic civil rights. I’m waiting. I really want to hear this one.

Hat’s off to you!

the mormon church is evil manifested.
remember, any money spent in utah eventually gets to into LDS hands.
you have the way of satan, make nice, then stab in the back.
it is clear to us.
all options are on the table for the LDS and the catholic church, and their minions.

We LGBTs, can do cold indifference….to death

Poor child, threatening me over the internet. Someone find him his pacifier before he blows a gasket on the carpet.

your attitude is un-american.
you bitches are like the self-righteous housewives who look up their sex-offender neighbors on megan’s list and then deface their lawns-
– but less cool.
you need to eave individuals alone.
stop scapegoating.
do the right thing, rise above & take it to the supreme court.

you will get your ass beat.
don’t try it, mary.
ps
individuals can vote the way they please.
it’s their “right”.
you children are ridiculous.
take it to the supreme court.
we will win our equal rights, trust.
quit acting foolish.

I’ll be quoting you a lot!

Honorable Congresswoman Watson,
Please speak out on behalf of those who lost their civil rights due to Proposition 8. Why haven’t you joined the governor and 40 other members of congress who have already done so. Though I have always supported you and voted for you in the past, if you don’t do this, I will work diligently to support whoever runs against you in the next election. I understand that the southern part of our district voted solidly for Proposition 8, but this is wrong, and you know it. You need to lead on this issue. I would be sorry to turn against you, but I would have no choice: my conscience dictates it.
Respectfully,
Richard Mark Irwin

I suggest others do the same.

First Amendment of the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances”

The right of a citizen to peacefully 1) parade and gather or 2) demonstrate support or opposition of public policy or 3) express one’s views is guaranteed by the freedom of speech and the right to peaceably assemble.

“Civil rights groups filed a petition with the California Supreme Court to stop the enactment of Proposition 8 because it would mandate discrimination against a minority group and did not follow the process required for fundamental revisions to the California Constitution.

In the petition, the Asian Pacific American Legal Center, Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, Equal Justice Society, California NAACP and the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, Inc. argue that in order to protect the fundamental rights of all Californians, a higher standard is required to overturn the right to marry. Minority communities cannot be stripped of their fundamental rights by a simple majority vote.

“We would be making a grave mistake to view Proposition 8 as just affecting the LGBT community,” said Eva Paterson, president of the Equal Justice Society. “If the Supreme Court allows Proposition 8 to take effect, it would represent a threat to the rights of people of color and all minorities.”

So much for how other minorities don’t support us.

“The Mormon church didn’t eschew polygamy (really polygyny: one man, many wives) until the U.S. government threatened to seize its assets. Then their leaders had a vision from God they should ban it on the books (while still tacitly approving it, of course).

And they only ended discrimination against African Americans in the late 70s when they were threatened with loss of their tax exempt status. And, yes, their leaders then had another vision from God that they should change their ways.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_race.htm

This religion has a reprehensible history. What do you expect when their founder was an 1800s con man who “translated” the Book of Mormon by looking at special rocks inside a stovepipe hat?

I’m sorry, but anyone who buys into this stuff lock, stock and barrel is just not rational. They’re just a tub of Kool-Aid and a poison puddin’ pop away from Jim Jones and Heaven’s Gate.

And anyone who gives them 10 percent of all their earnings is just a chump in a huge pyramid scheme.”

What makes you think your historic definition of traditional marriage hasn’t changed over time, and won’t continue to do so? History implies change and growth. This country was founded, in part, on the separation of church and state, and yet your marriage values continue to be religiously based. You think yours is the only religion to benefit from full freedom from the government in this country? What hypocrisy.

I don’t care how you define marriage, and I don’t care who your church will or will not marry. I want my government to do what it is supposed to do, and not let religion or a religious majority tell it how to govern its constituents.

!

That’s how I show shock/dismay/disbelief/etc. when I have no words for a particular situation.