Quinton “Rampage” Jackson, the Ultimate Fighting Championship star, plays B.A. Baracus in the new The A-Team movie. He thinks the whole notion of it is “kind of gay.”
How did we get here? Jackson was talking to a LA Times reporter about his career trajectory. “Acting is kind of gay,” he says. “It makes you soft. You got all these people combing your hair and putting a coat over your shoulders when you’re cold. I don’t want a coat over my shoulders! I’m a tough-ass [individual]!”
See, none of that manicuring takes place in the hallways at UFC! They’re manly men there, straight-only, no gays allowed. But having a trailer to relax in between takes? Gay!
But Mr. Rampage clearly has some deeper unresolved conflicts going on about him. Because even though he says what he’s doing is “gay,” don’t you dare call him that.
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At issue: a movie crew member had wandered in on this final day of principal photography and — whether jokingly or not — called the muscle-bound movie star a homophobic epithet. Jackson had responded with barely contained fury. He threw the guy out, shouting him down with every conceivable gay slur. “You’re a punk!” Jackson finally bellowed.
He claimed the crew member’s intent had been to provoke a physical assault. “That … wanted me to punch him so he could sue me,” the professional body-slammer explained, using a certain 12-letter curse word that he lets fly often in conversation — a word that has no business appearing in a family newspaper and, for the sake of this article, will from here on out be substituted with “individual.”
Keep the tradition going, UFC!
And by the way, this is Rampage not being gay:
Nick
Wow. Just another homophobic athlete. How do these people become famous anyway?
mark
Nick, I think it’s because we write stories about them like this one?
Samantha
He becomes famous by fighting a sweaty guy with barely any clothes on while he is clad himself. Now if that is not gay, what is?
He must have some issues with his masculinity.
TheFilmTwit
It always strikes me as funny when one of the UFC athletes opens his mouth and is a homophobe. The matches consist of one guy pouncing on another guy, and they roll around on the ground with basically no clothes on until one stops moving. It looks like a poorly shot porn most times.
I also think that the prevailing athletic mindset equates homsexuality with impotence and effeminate behavior, thus Mr. Jackson doesn’t use the term “weak” to describe being pampered, he uses “gay,” which to him is a synonym. I don’t know, I’ve never been part of that world, but it’s painfully obvious that this is posturing and overreacting to something innocuous. Whether it has to do with chemical substances or Mr. Jackson simply being an unpleasant and overly defensive [individual] is not my place to say.
Bruce
As much as I love Bradley Cooper I won’t be contributing money to this movie or this homophobe.
bobito
Then hopefully Rampage will shelter his imperiled heterosexuality and get the hell out of the ‘acting’ business ASAP. Frankly, I had never known of his existence before reading this, and I really wouldn’t mind at all if I never read another word about him again.
christopher di spirito
I’m sure he enjoys getting his dick sucked by a faggot when he can’t score female tail or doesn’t want to exert the time and the energy needed to procure poontang.
scott ny'er
@Bruce: Well, I wasn’t going to watch this movie but after this I most definitely won’t be paying for this movie.
@bobito: Yeah. I didn’t know who this mofo was either until this article. Why Hollywood doesn’t hire actual ACTORS, who have been in the biz for years, is beyond me? I know they are trying to get the UFC audience but please. And that’s not to say we wouldn’t hear homophobic comments from actual actors but it’s less likely. Besides, it’s what they strive for, not to be the UFC champion.
unclemike
He certainly got his ass handed to him last night against Rashad on UFC, so maybe he shouldn’t be so quick with the name-calling.
nikko
Just another stupid, evil heteroshit spewing his vile macho nonsense. There ,i got the truth off my chest, I feel better!
David
He says “Acting is kind of gay.” You’re the one doing the “acting” jackass… I guess that makes you “kind of gay.” BTW, your camouflage boxer briefs are completely gay.
scott ny'er
@David: Ha. He’s too stoooopid to realize that. Of course if you pointed that out to him in person, I’m sure he’ll want to fight you.
Hilarious
Who was really going to go see a remake of the A-Team anyway? Mr. T…the real Mr. T was the stand out character of the show and the only reason most people even remember it.
Jimmi
Closet case.
Lamar
I am so sick of this, why do people think what you do makes you a man not who you are? How does combing your hair or covering up when it’s cold make you less of a man than a guy with uncombed hair and refusing to put a coat on when it’s cold? It’s your genes not your behaviour that makes you a man or not, this has been established in the female community and it is time it became established in the male community too.
charlie hoover
anything gayer than camo breifs? i think not…
SSCHIEFRSHA
Acting IS a gay profession. Has been since Thespis’ 6th century BC stage premier in ancient Greece. I think that is the line he meant to take….but then again…who allowed this PR nightmare? I can assure you Bradley is pulling out his hair right now.
Oh Boy
One movie I will not give a dollar to see.
hephaestion
What a pathetic excuse for a man. Rampage is not a man. He is a mentally-challenged little spoiled twit.
hephaestion
Someone should inform Quinton Jackson that he just had his LAST acting job. No one in Hollywood will hire his vile homophobia-spewing ass now, knowing no one will work on the same set with him now.
James_From_The_Great_City_of_Cambridge
I would like to join in the chorus of people vowing never to see this piece of shit but honestly, I was never going to see this piece of shit anyway. I watched The A-Team when I was a wee one but now I’m grown; I like more sophisticated fare like Transformers 🙂
jason
What a horrible little man. The black community will probably treat him as a god. Keep in mind that blacks rarely criticize blacks. The media lets them off the hook because of their color.
Evan
Camo briefs: hot.
UFC: hot.
Jackson: not.
I wasn’t going to watch this movie anyway, but I certainly won’t be watching it now that I know about this homophobic jerkwad. I would, however, love to point out to him that his day job is literally extremely homoerotic. And I’m half tempted to watch last night’s match just for the satisfaction of seeing him get pounded. Pun intended.
James_From_The_Great_City_of_Cambridge
@hephaestion: We can hope but keep in mind that Mel Gibson can still make any movie he wants, as director or actor. It’s all about the almighty dollar. I really hope you’re right but if The A-Team is a hit, he’ll probably get more roles so here’s hoping it’s a massive bomb!!
Mikey Loco
Your taking what he said out of context he wasn’t bashing gays your obviously an oversensitive Homo who’s just looking for something to cry about.
jason
Why are American men so worried about “looking gay”? I didn’t know that “gay” was a look. I always thought it was a sexual orientation, not a look. Maybe American men are in a state of hyper-anxious over-awareness of what others think of them. How sad.
PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS
Another actor from a famous scene uttered some words that I think are kinda sorta apropriate: “Methinks he doeth protest too much”….
Robert
Rashad definitely made him look like a bitch last night. Dude is pretty much done with acting and fighting now. He got owned bad.
Kevin
Methinks the lady doth protest TOO much; if you get my meaning, wink, wink, nod, nod.
whatever
@jason: lol what a nasty, racist douchebag you are!
anyway the movie looks like a real stinker on its own merits…
jason
Whatever,
I don’t resile one iota from what I said. Look at Malawi. Look at tin-pot homophobic dictators throughout Africa. It’s a common characteristic of black Africans to be homophobic.
In the USA, look at the NAACP. What has it ever done for gay rights, especially the rights of gay blacks? Look at the black music industry. I’ve never seen an industry that is so obsessed with stereotyping every black male singer as a rampant heterosexual.
Black people are quick to use the word “black” when marketing themselves. If it’s for the money, it’s OK. Yet if someone criticizes a black person by using the word “black”, accusations of racism are heard.
I frankly think black culture has a problem.
counterpoll
@jason: How is “Black” culture any different to US culture, or “Asian” or “Latino” or “Russian” or “Latvian” culture? Is urban “Black culture” the same as rural? How about “Black culture” in Haiti, Liberia, South Africa and Madagascar?
Please provide references, not examples, if you wish to prove your point.
Let me guess: you’re white, uneducated, & have no Black or Hispanic or Asian friends. Let me guess that you have no gay friends of color?
I would venture to guess you have no friends, period, but that could be seen as rather unkind, so I shall sidestep that prognostication.
Jimmi
@jason: Nothing says gay like a cock in your mouth!
counterpoll
So, Mr Jackson got crushed in the ring –his primary gig– and is now trying to fill the shoes of the-one-and-only Mr T{who got good at acting and became an ICON}?
Jackson signed on to a second-rate film, with limited acting skills, and now spews homophobic remarks as if he has “arrived”?
He’s setting himself up to be rejected by both camps: (1)UFC, because he’s a failure and now (2) Hollywood, because he can’t keep his gob shut and probably can’t attract the UFC fans after his smackdown. He’s a publicist’s nightmare, and likely a no-hit wonder.
Compare to: Jennifer Hudson: success as a singer and as a star as actress. Hollywood gold.
Compare to Ms Dana Owens, a.k.a Queen Latifah: Star as a singer and actress. Hollywood gold
Compare to Ice-T: famous as a rapper & ended up as a very solid actor.
Next career for Mr Jackson: late-night infomercials! “How to get out of debt”.
CONVERSATION CHAMBER
@jason: Jason, you’re like a 3-legged jackass. Someone needs to put you out of your misery.
Kevin
Quinton has about 3.5 inches, hence his insecurity. This dude HAS to butch it up to seem like a man, even to himself.
counterpoll
@CONVERSATION CHAMBER: I really do wish I had said what you said re: Jason. Good on you for exposing an idiot for what he is: an ignoramus tr0ll!
Lookyloo
I wonder what Bradley Cooper thinks about Rampage’s statement. Because, you know, rumor has it…
ossurworld
You mean this guy is STRAIGHT???
jason
You only have to look at commercial black music to see how backward black culture is. This is the stuff that a lot of black people are buying. Rap and hip-hop, with their sexist and homophobic images and lyrics, came from the black community.
Moreover, where are all the black gay activists? I hardly ever see a black face when I look at a gay rights march. Black people represent 13% of the US population yet their presence in gay rights marches is probably around 4%, if that.
Keep in mind that the black churches are renowned for their anti-gay sermons. Let’s not forget this absolutely pivotal point. For an insight into the minds of black people, look no further than the fundamentalist aspects of their culture.
whatever
@jason: again, racist douchebag. the white southern baptist tradition from which the likes of jerry falwell and pat robertson and their ilk come is known far and wide for its homophobia.
get this, most white, straight people hate your f****t ass, too. but you are noticeably silent in your criticism of them.
James_From_The_Great_City_of_Cambridge
@jason: How about Hispanics douchey McDouche?? They’re overwhelmingly Catholic…and overwhelmingly homophobic. How about Southern White people asshole? You ever been to Texas? How do you think White people there will treat your gay ass? Do you know any Black people? Because I’m biracial and I gotta tell you, the Black side of my family is a hell of a lot more accepting than my Irish side. You just have an ax to grind against Blacks, either because you’re a neo-nazi type or you’re hung like a peanut.
samthor
It’s Homophobia in the truest sense. Fear of “the gay”. Since rolling around on the floor with another man in your underwear is so incredibly homoerotic; this guy has to prove he’s not “into it” with such ridiculous displays of machismo/ masculinity, including hate- filled anti-gay slurs.
This guy has probably grown up in this sort of environment and has allowed it to brainwash him into being so incredibly insecure.
So that explains his behavior, but not excuse it. We can point out his “over- compensating” and work to remove this macho bullshit system that creates such ignorant thugs in the 1st place.
nikko
JASON, comment#31 : Right on!!! I so agree.
Alex
41: The Irish are backwards at well just look at the Priest problem
fredo777
This is so stupid. I barely even know who this clown is, + this is how he wants to put himself out there when he is just now taking part in a role that could introduce him to lots of new fans? Idiot.
Bill Shakespeare
The lady doth protest too much, methinks!
fredo777
@Bill Shakespeare: Hey, you died many, many years ago!
>_>
<_<
Lamar
@jason: Being a black person myself I can definetely say that there is A LOT of homophobia in the black communtiy that needs to be addressed BUT there is a lot of racism in the White community but that doesn’t mean people of color should demonize people who are White. It’s very easy to criticize the whole black communtiy when it comes to homophobia but some blacks are tolerant or gay themselves or are activists. We should only critize those who are homophobic, not just simply offer a blanket criticism as if all blacks are intolerant. There is a lot of opposition to gays in the White communtiy too, whilst not as strong as black homophobia it is of such a great proportion it should not be ignored.
Yet Another
@jason:
Jason, I can argue your points without even touching the major issue.
For instance, are you really going to make a cultural assessment about “black culture” based off of “commercial black music”? Thats literally the dumbest thing I’ve read today. There’s no such thing as black music. There are more white consumers of hip-hop music than there are black consumers. Additionally, white american’s are the gate keepers to the music industry, and control most creation, publishing and distribution channels. I could even argue that the images and stereotypes portrayed aren’t just the ones selectively greenlit by mostly white music executives, but that they’re more caricatures of mainstream hyper-masculinity and sexuality as seen and heard in “white” music and video as well.
In relation to black churches and anti-gay sermons, how can you reasonably assert that black churches are any more homophobic in nature than white churches are? How many black churches have you attended regularly? How many white churches have you attended regularly? Or are you basing you opinions on information you’ve gathered from other white people or establishments that have also never attended black churches regularly.
I could really try to refute your central point, as ignorant and weak as it is, but the truth is, I don’t have to. The legs you’ve built your arguments on will bring it down by themselves.
jason
Blacks were mistreated because of their color, and hence formed their own civil rights movement. Therefore, blacks were keenly aware of the dangers of bigotry and prejudice, and empowered themselves to overcome it, at least at the legal level.
Therefore, blacks should, theoretically, be the least bigoted, the least prejudiced of all classes. It’s not the case, unfortunately.
And stop trying to say “whites are just as bigoted”. Of course they are. But two wrongs don’t make a right. You should know that.
As far as I’m concerned, black people should be at the forefront of the gay rights movement. But, as I said earlier, it’s hard to pick a black face in a gay rights march.
alan brickman
so sad…..he would be in my bed in a second….
bruce
I once had a professional black basketball player from Missouri. It’s true what they say: once you go black, you never go back.
Since then, I’ve tended to go for the extra large Mars bars. Memories, sweet memories….
Yet Another
@jason:
Again, an argument so faulty your point is dead on arrival.
Experience bigotry and prejudice should equal universal understanding and acceptance? Go read an actual book on American History as opposed to a Queerty article. Every “people” here has fled bigotry and prejudice, including most factions of American christianity. As far as you’re concerned, shouldn’t Protestants be at the forefront of the gay rights movements since they were being persecuted far before blacks were “mistreated” (assuming you meant kidnapped and enslaved.)
As for it being hard to pick out a black face in a gay rights march, once again, your prejudice is showing.
whatever
@jason: racist and idiotic is no way to go through life, son. if you are ugly, too, well that’s just even more unfortunate.
it’s not worth the bytes, to point out the illogical fallacies in the clusterf*ck of a post you wrote about blacks having to sympathize with gays.
bruce
No-one cares about your black-protecting opinions. You’re obviously stuck on stupid as you attempt to insulate black people from fair criticism. Black people are not these perfect angels that you claim them to be.
I’ve always said that bigotry exists across the board. However, it’s particularly troubling when it comes from blacks. Just look at Africa. Nuff said.
Yet Another
@bruce:
Correction. Your post is now literally the dumbest thing I’ve read all day.
jeffree
Question: if Black Americans are underrepresented at some cities’ Gay Pride events, isn’t that because they historically have not been included, invited or welcomed? That’s what I hear from several of the black members of our Gay/Bi/Lesb/Str8 group at school. Maybe that’s true only here .
I attended Black Pride events twice, once each in two cities. I was never made to feel unwelcomed. i have never been hugged so much in my life (i’m not a big hugger but i appreciate the gesture…)
Full disclosure: I am not 100% white, as i learned from genetic testing, but I “pass” supposedly. I hate that word PASS by the way. Tell me that I pass 4 str8 cuz I dont act “gay” and be ready for a S/E/R/M/O/N!!
Pride is supposed to be about what brings us together: our LGBT identity & pride, rather than what divides us (race, ethicity, age, gender,ect) which is a nice ideal. Truth is, Black & hispanic & even asian g/ l women and men are not always made to feel welcome in many bars/ clubs in majority-white towns and citys.
We’re still not all that integrated.
@jason: What cities’ Pride parades are you referencing? You’re generallizing based on WHAT???? Try going to Wash DC pride events & see if your pasty face looks outta place. [but youd still be welcome]
whatever
@bruce: gee, another racist queer. absolutely no one could have predicted that some meathead d-lister’s asinine opinions on anything would have brought out the homoracists like cockroaches.
Derrick Mathis
@jason:
It’s racists like you who give gays a bad name and do nothing for cohesiveness in the gay community. I’m black and when I saw this in the LA Times I immediately posted it on my blog.
Now why don’t you crawl back under the slimy rock from which you emerged.
http://renwl.org/news/a-team-movie-cast-member-latest-negro-to-catch-foot-in-mouth-disease
Derrick Mathis
@jas@jason: on:
Guys don’t waste your time with this pathetic weasel. It’s people like him who’re hellbent in keeping this country in backward mode.
jeffree
@Derrick Mathis: I wish I had thought of this before I posted my rant to Jason: my mom has a saying, i don’t know where it comes from but it’s good: “Don’t try to talk sense to a garbage can.”
that’s what I was trying 2 do with jason but lets be honest, that was a waste of my time……
Kev C
What jason said is factually correct. Some people don’t like hearing the truth and are offended when they do hear it. So what? Keep speaking the truth jason .. it pisses them off.
rampage_rules
for everyone talking trash about mma (mixed martial arts) you are all clearly uneducated. it is the fastest growing sport in the world and just because one particular athlete dosent take so kindly to gays doesn’t mean there is some deep underpinning of homosexuality associated with mma and its athletes. stop being sensitive queers and don’t bash mma just because one person is homophobic
jason
I am a very open-minded person. In fact, I have been intimate with a black man in my life. If I were racist, would I be sharing myself with a black man? I think not.
One of the things that I find puzzling about the black community is its excessively religious nature. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against religion. However, I do find it somewhat disturbing when I see the type of swaying and speeches that is evident in the black churches.
Have black people forgotten that slave owners used the Bible to justify slavery? Seems like it. There’s a contradiction within the black person’s mindset that is undeniable. Literally interpreted, the Bible justifies slavery, and yet black people often follow the Bible assiduously.
jason
Derek Mathis,
Why on earth should we be “cohesive”? Cohesiveness is bullshit. Cohesiveness means agreeing with each other simply on the basis of who we are, and without really thinking through the issue. I don’t want to be a part of the brain-dead gay crowd, thanks.
The gay rights movement can, and will, only survive if we become critics. We cannot just let other victim classes – such as the black community – criticize us and then hide behind their victmhood status. This is a surefire recipe for disaster. We need to criticize back. We also need to criticize each other. Gays need to criticize gays.
Truth only comes through criticism – don’t ever forget it.
Chitown Kev
@jason:
“I have been intimate with a black man in my life…”
Oh, gurl please. Spare me this Scarlett O’Hara sittin’ on the porch sipping a cold glass of sun tea on a hot Southern day waiting for my Mandingo sugah to arrive
How much black dick have you SUCKED, that’s the question.
AlwaysGay
Jason, your efforts are futile. There are black gay people that post on this website only to defend black people, they will never criticize another black person no matter their actions, they only do that in black-only company. Black people will always deflect when you speak truth by asking if you met every black person, to provide every statistic in the world, say that white people do it too or say it’s not that bad.
What Quinton Jackson said and did was very bad and he should appologize. What happened on the set of “The A-Team” movie was deplorable however it’s expected. Heterosexuals always create these hostile anti-gay environments and then do nothing.
James_From_The_Great_City_of_Cambridge
@AlwaysGay: Don’t be stupid. Not one of us were defending Jackson except some straight idiots who were Ulitmate Fighting fans and trolling this site. And they were not defending him based on race. I’m biracial, Fredo is Black and others who I’m sure are non-white were busy bashing this moron Jackson but Jason came along, dropped the race bomb and now we have a race war. Good job Jason. The Confederate South would be proud.
@jason: “I have been intimate with a Black man…”
Uh-uh…and I’m sure some of your best friends are Black too.
Ronbo
We agree on 99.9% of the issues. But, why on God’s green earth do we choose to find division? I want you guys to kiss and make-up. Religious Bigotry is the enemy – not Jason. Divided we fall.
whatever
@AlwaysGay: I was wondering when AlwaysRacist was going to chime in. Like clockwork, he joins the peanut gallery when blacks are to be attacked.
Let me explain to the feeble mined racists and their supporters here the situation.
When normal people read this post, they think, wow, some nobody who will disappear in a few months when this movie bombs is popping his mouth off over some shit that’s way above is pay grade. What a moron.
But, if after reading this, your first reaction is to use this one person’s homophobia to tar and entire community with, then to parahrase Jeff Foxworthy, ya might be a racist.
MissLaWanda
This is all so racist.
Yet Another
@jason:
When has the “black community” criticized gays?
Here’s why Jason, AlwaysGay, and KevC will never understand anything about race in America. You think its ok to say “Black people” do and say anything. The fact that you think its ok to generalize a “people” in anyway is prejudiced. And because of that your points, even if they had been valid, are toxic to debate and thought.
Yet Another
@Kev C:
Please go back and highlight the “factual” points of any of Jason’s points, please.
Thank you.
nikko
No, this is not racism, it’s the truth. It’s called calling people out on their actions and being critical. We all need to be, regardless of what we are talking about. Nobody and nothing is immune from the truth gays, blacks, straights,religion,etc.
Yet Another
@nikko:
But the article isn’t about blacks, straights or religion. Its about one guy. Anyone who makes this about more than just one guy is showing their prejudice.
ossurworld
So this UFC twit thinks all those whistles at his body are coming from women?
Kev C
@Yet Another: No, I’m not interested in deconstuctive criticism. Pay me first.
Yet Another: “The fact that you think its ok to generalize a “people” in anyway is prejudiced.”
I’m not prejudging, I’m postjudging. Facts are facts. But since you don’t know me, I’d say Yet Another was prejudging me. And that’s why Yet is wrong.
Yet Another
@Kev C:
I laughed out loud at my desk. Thank you.
Tackle
When are people gonna realize that there is no such thing as the Black community, just like there is no such thing as the White community, or GLTB community. Or any one community. No community is MONOLITH. And no ONE person speaks for a so-called community. To think so is GENERALIZING threrefor being of a prejudice mindset.
That being said, let me point out that when Rampage Jackson boss(Dana White) uttered the fag slur, where was the outrage at then?
And the idea that the so-called Black community is the most homophobic is a joke. Lawrence King, Matthew Shapard, Steven Domer, Satender Sing,Brandon Tina/Tina Bradon, Berry Winchell,Billy Jack Gaither,Harvey Milk, Ramon Navrro, Charles Howard,ect, like the majority(over 90percent) of GLTB people since Stonewall have been bashed or murdered by non Blacks.
And let me point out that when Blacks are homophobic it is Balck GLBT people who are more likely to bare the brunt of their homobhobia.
Derrick Mathis
@Tackle:
Tell ’em Tackle. You brought a very valid point.
There is homophobia in the black community. No more pronounced however than anywhere else (sorry—no blacks in Wyoming kids). But nonetheless it’s there. And whatever homophobia that is in the black community it’s black LBGTs who bear the brunt of that prejudice—like all LGBTs of color in their respective communities.
AlwaysGay
@Tackle: And when black heterosexuals harm black gay people there is barely a peep out of black gay people’s mouths. Where were the black gay activists three years ago when Terrance Aeriel and Dashon Harvey were assassinated for being gay? There was one black gay activist in Newark who said something about their homosexuality yet backed away when the family refused to acknowledge it. There have been at least six reported murders of black gay people this year, can you remember any of them?
Derrick Mathis
@Always Gay: Um, how the hell do you know? So, like you’re the arbiter of when the black gay community speaks up and when it doesn’t?
Chile please. Don’t worry about us—you just be sure and speak up when Shirley Q. Liquor comes to your town again and clean up your own skanky nastiness.
jason
Yet Another,
I’m criticizing aspects of black culture. I’m not saying all black people are anti-gay or homophobic.
The use of “black” may indeed seem unfair. However, black people themselves use the all-encompassing “black” to market themselves. How many times have you heard “black music”, “black poverty” etc used by blacks themselves? I would guess tons of times.
These words are used frequently to market blacks and to make money or draw attention to black people.
James_From_The_Great_City_of_Cambridge
Someone revived an old Will Smith thread and guess who was on it making derogatory comments? Jason, of course! Jason is a big ol’ right-wing nut, who hates not only Blacks but Liberals as well. Here is his comment and a link to it.
“No. 58 · Jason
I always got a feeling he [Will Smith] was a big Mo. He is also a Big Lib and most if not all liberal men have vaginas so no surprise here!”
Read more: http://www.queerty.com/will-smith-hired-male-hookers-says-discrete-madame-20081017/#ixzz0peUslDPy
counterpoll
Who’s our enemy?
Who wins when minority groups fight amongst themselves? The majority.
Am not suggesting that we withhold from discussing our differences, but we fare better when we LGBs can come together to fight our common enemies: homophobes who seek to keep us from equal rights in marriage, military, employment and so on.
I’m not a peace/love/harmony guy, I welcome fierce debate, but if we’re busier fighting each other than fighting together for our equality, then we’re being counterproductive.
cp
Kev C
@counterpoll: I agree with you Counterpoll, but I’ll add that putting the civil rights of people who want to harm you before your own civil rights is one reason you don’t have any civil rights.
Kev C
Do you hear messages of support coming from the gay community to the black community?
Mostly yes.
Do you hear messages of support from the black community to the gay community?
Mostly no.
In fact, many blacks think gays are trying to piggyback onto their own struggle for equality, and they resent it. They aren’t helping you up, but gain more by keeping you down. You got to climb your own social ladder. No one else going to help you do it for you. And until you hear messages of support from blacks to gays, don’t waste energy struggling for them what you should be doing for yourself.
I pity the fool.
Derrick Mathis
@Kev C: Oh yeah. Gays have bent over because for blacks. Thank you Kevin. Just talkin’ about it I get choked up.
Chile please. I don’t know what fantasy trip you’re on but I certainly don’t recall any gaggle of queens other than black ones comin’ to the hood to bestow some luv.
And blacks don’t think anything about gays piggybacking cause blacks don’t think about gays. What blacks don’t like is when gay WHITE folks try to say the gay civil rights struggle is one and the same as the black civil rights struggle. And they’re right for not liking such a ridiculous comparison.
Blacks actually HAD a civil rights movement. You know, leadership negotiating with the White House while people put themselves at risk, sit-ins, arrests, being attacked, boycotts, beaten, churches and homes blown up, some deaths.
You should go to Wikipedia sometime and do a search under “black civil rights movement.” You’ll be shocked and scandalized at what those people had to go through. They actually had to fight for their rights. Imagine that.
Um…last I checked the gay community was sitting square in the middle of the gay comfort zone buffing their nails and tapping their feet and resenting Obama cause the moment he took his hand off the bible after being sworn in you didn’t get your rights squared away as first item on his agenda.
Pouting and ad nauseum verbal attacks on Obama does not a civil rights movement make DEAR.
You actually have to get off your gay BUTT and DO SOMETHING. And be willing to die for what you believe in if it comes to that.
So yes, blacks aren’t feeling that comparison at all. They fought for their rights. Not “whined” for them. There is a difference you know. Can’t call folks crazy for demanding that you acknowledge a difference.
Kev C
@Derrick Mathis: I’m not saying gays bent over backwards. But I don’t see gays hunting down blacks in the street and trying to kill them.
Me? A skinny white boy who grew up in the Projects. You’re right .. I didn’t fight for my rights. I fought for my life. And I will never support homophobic bigots who want to kill me. It’s not going to happen, Derrick.
Get Equal R @ Least Doing Something (John from England)
@Derrick Mathis:
Derrick, as a black person who also knows a lot about the black civil rights movement, maybe you should also go look up something called Stonewall? Or maybe ActUp? Or those thousands, and thousands of documentaries on what the police used to do to gays in the 70’s to 80’s? (still do now!)
Or watch a film called Milk.
It’s incredibly insulting and generally insane to come out with what you have about gay rights when people are constantly being killed everyday for being gay.
In fact the gay rights struggle is worse then the civil rights struggle. Everyone can see your colour but not everyone can see you’re gay, so using logic,which in the longterm ends up being the most detrimental and mind f*cked civil rights movement?
And imagine if you’re black and…gay.
Wooaah. Double Negative!
Lamar
@jason: I definitely agree that blacks should be more involved in gay rights but with such a stigma against being black AND gay is this really surprising? As you put it two wrongs don’t make a right so that is why I don’t see why you are refusing to criticize the white community, it’s as if you think they aren’t a lot of white homophobes so there is no need to criticize them.
Also people regularly criticize the black community about homophobia anyway for example boycotting artists with anti-gay lyrics etc. I don’t see where you are getting this people don’t criticize the black community’s homophobia because they are an ethnic minority nonsense from.
Get Equal R @ Least Doing Something (John from England)
@AlwaysGay:
Good point. The only people who covered these through are Rod and some other gay black bloggers and that is IT. Not even Daily Voice, so not sure why Derrick is getting his boxers in a twist because you proved a valid point. Furthermore he walked straight into it by asking you to ‘but out’.
How the hell does Derrick know what sites you look at or you don’t?
@Derrick Mathis:
So Derrick, which non gay black sites reported the murders that AlwaysGay is talking about.
I’m genuinely interested because I stopped looking at Concrete Loop, Voices etc because I found them really homophobic and white new blogs did mention Mathew Shepard etc etc
It could well be a case of numbers though..
jason
James from Cambridge,
That comment you quoted was not from me. It must have been another Jason.
Lamar,
I criticize the white community all the time. If you look at my post history, you’ll see that I have criticized whites. I may not often use the word “white” but that’s mainly because white people generally don’t market themselves using the word “white”.
Chitown Kev
The entire premise of even introducing race in this thread is stupid.
Mr. Jackson never introduced in his comments; he never marketed his “blackness”
So,,,why bring it up?
(Not that I’m defending his comments, I’m not, I just don’t think that his blackness has anything to do with anything…)
Yet Another
@jason:
LMAO @ “I may not often use the word “white” but that’s mainly because white people generally don’t market themselves using the word ‘white’.”
You’re going to become my favorite poster on the entire internet. Jesus. My co-workers think I’m laughing at a youtube video.
Alex
This is what happens when people are to sensitive. I know for a fact most of you have been in a circumstance to call something gay that happens to you big deal and he was referring to the fact that him being catered to the way he was is gay and that’s not being someone who is a homophobe and I’ve been in plenty situations where something comes up and I’ll say “that’s gay had to wait all this time to get a seat” although I still don’t have anything against gays whatsoever.
fredo777
@Alex: The fact that you use “that’s gay” in a negative sense invalidates your entire argument. Neeeeext…
Derrick Mathis
@Get Equal R @ Least Doing Something (John from England):
Um…did you read the post I responded to? I don’t need to go look up anything. I’m very informed about Stonewall and other events that come before and since it happened.
I was responding to Kevin who said blacks don’t like the gay civil rights struggle compared. I wanted to make clear that he understood why.
Sorry if that’s a crime:)
James_From_The_Great_City_of_Cambridge
@jason: You’ve criticized the “White Community”? Man, you’ve got a thing for racial grouping. There’s no White Community, at least in this country. White people are so fractured by ethnic, geographical, income, sexual and other divisions that you can’t group them as one. If you don’t know that, you’re not from the U.S. What exactly does a White Liberal computer programmer from Massachusetts have in common with a White Conservative truck driver from Mississipi? Absolutely nothing. You think they think of themselves as being in the same group? You’re living in the past with the teabaggers and the neo-nazi’s.
Kev C
@Chitown Kev: “The entire premise of even introducing race in this thread is stupid.”
That’s a reasonable point .. except this is the internet, and when has any thread stayed on topic? Why make an exception in this case? Sounds to me like you’re saying “Shut Up About It”.
And I won’t.
Yet Another
@Kev C:
So you admit you’re a troll?
Chitown Kev
@Kev C:
“except this is the internet, and when has any thread stayed on topic?”
LOL, you’re right about that.
If he was attempting to reach a predominately black audience, then I would say that it was a legitimate issue to raise.
But it is funny how white people get to be so diverse and black people don’t.
“What exactly does a Black Liberal computer programmer from Massachusetts have in common with a Black Conservative truck driver from Mississipi?”
This still works, for example
Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich
@Miss Jason. I live in Washington, D.C. and I support freedom of speech. Every U.S. citizen should have the right to express their opinion without people calling them racist or homophobic.
Racism exist big time within the gay community. How many of you pretty preppy gay white men will date black men or associate with black gay men? Don’t let me get started on some of the racist white gay men living in Washington, D.C. Many walk around as if they are God’s gift to the world based on their being white and having money. Many times I’ve spoken to white gay men at the Safeway shopping or on the streets. Guess what, they look at me as if I’m invisible. Many black gays and lesbians in D.C. don’t feel inclusive in the mostly white Gay Pride festival here in D.C. Gays need to clean up their act, before they start throwing stones. You white gays can’t have your cake and eat it too. Being black and gay in America is a hardship for many black gays and black lesbians. White gay men must remember, they still have white skin in America and they are still accepted in most places in America where many blacks are still shunned because of the skin color.
jason
James from Cambridge,
Oh, please, get a grip.
Nevertheless, you prove my point exactly. White people don’t market themselves using the word “white”. I don’t see “white music station”. I don’t see “white culture”. Yet, blacks use “black” all the time. Despite the differences throughout the black community, blacks still choose to use the word “black” in an all-encompassing way.
In essence, you have a victim-class mentality amongst the American black population. Victim-class mentalities always lead to self-segregating words. Gay people do it too, and I’ve also been critical of gay people for this.
When a class of people chooses to use all-encompassing words to describe themselves, it’s only fair that a critic uses those same words.
CONVERSATION CHAMBER
@Kev C: Of course you won’t shut up. Idiots like you tend to keep on rambling, even after they have proceeded to make complete and utter fools of themselves. In the meantime I’m beginning to wonder if the Three Stooges here (“Jason,” “Kev C” and “AlwaysGay”) are perhaps the same buffoon under multiple aliases. Look into it Queerity…
Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich
@Jason
Let me say this, I am tired of white gay men comparing their struggles to that of the civil rights movement. I am sure their were gay bisexual white slave owners back before the Civil War who participated in the treatment of blacks as being sub human. Whites in America must remember whether they are gay, straight, Democrat, Independent, Republican, or Atheist, their whiteness still gives them privileges not afford to most blacks in America. Black, Negro, Colored, or African American is a race of people. Being gay is a sexual orientation regardless of race. Recently I was outraged to read a white guy profile on Adam4Adam stating, he was looking for an all American male. This was a code word for a white WASP male. My black ancestors fought in the Civil War, World Wars 1 & 2, Vietnam, and in the current war in Iraq. Shouldn’t they too be considered all American?
Yet Another
@jason:
Again, you’re premise betrays your argument.
You have no idea what black people do. You can only judge by what little you’ve seen of the entire life experiences of millions of unique individuals. How can you make an assessment of every person is black when you’re obviously very limited in your exposure to black people in real and personal ways?
Your perspective is far too limited and skewed to make that judgement. Even when you’re right, your poor understanding prevents you from getting the real point, much less making one to others.
This isn’t an argument about you generalizing black people. This is about you callously leaping beyond your understanding with no regard to the offensiveness or inappropriateness of your folley.
Criticism comes from one who is able to judge merit. Prejudice is when you lack that ability.
You, AlwaysGay and Kev C lack that ability.
Derrick Mathis
@Yet Another: Alright Yet Another @Jason: OHHHHHH I think you just got READ!!!!!
Don’t even bother to come back at that honey. Yet Another just stomped you down in the mud you swim in.
Cassandra
Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich
“Let me say this, I am tired of white gay men comparing their struggles to that of the civil rights movement.”
That you are tired of the truth changes nothing.
In both cases, real people experience real oppression. The only rational way to object to the comparison is to assume that GLBTQ people are not human beings. It sure sounds like that’s how you feel, because if you do acknowledge that GLBTQ people are just as human as anyone else, then you have to admit that our experience of prejudice and oppression is not only comparable to the Black Civil Rights movement, but more pervasive, longer and broader in scope and scale, and more firmly entrenched, and that GLBTQ people in the U.S. have fewer civil rights than heterosexual people of color.
Otherwise, oppression is oppression is oppression, and, anti-gay oppression has been going on longer, and across a wider swath of human cultures, places, and institutions. People of color do not generally get abandoned by their families because of their race, GLBTQ people often are rejected and abandoned by their families when they come out.
“How many of you pretty preppy gay white men . . .white gay men living in Washington, D.C. Many walk around as if they are God’s gift to the world based on their being white” That’s racist talk.
“Gays need to clean up their act,” That’s homophobia.
Chitown Kev
@Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich:
Yeah, but being GLBT in America (or anyplace else) affords every straight person privilege that no gay person truly has unless they hide it.
Straight black people also inherit privilege (which is often coupled with religious privilege as well).
I dont like to see that minimized.
And I really don’t expect white people to “get it” (the privilege thing) too much either
jason
Black people can be murdererers, thugs and thieves. Black people can also be angels, carers and good Samaritans. I’ve never denied that good qualities can be found in black people.
I’m simply pointing out that black culture’s admired institutions are almost always homophobic. Look at black music. Has there ever been one openly gay or bi black male in the Hot 100? I honestly don’t think there has been. Out of the thousands of black musical artists who have been in the Hot 100, it’s deplorable that not one has been openly gay or bi.
The cultural imperative within the black community is to be homophobic. Don’t deny it. Instead of criticizing me, you should criticize fellow blacks. Pigs might fly, I know.
jason
Also, look at the NFL and NBA. Tons of black guys. Yet not one – not one single solitary soul – has come out of the closet while playing. This gives you an insight into black culture, which is an extremely homophobic one.
Chitown Kev
@jason:
Good Lord, you are YOUNG!
One would think that you’d never heard of Little Richard, Sylvester, dude in Living Colour…the black community made gender bending safe for you white folks to do in music.
Chitown Kev
@jason:
And how many white players have come out while playing in the NHL?
Derrick Mathis
@Cassandra: No actually you’re the one who’s not facing the truth. Everything Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich is right on.
What you’re doing is dismissing someone elses experience to justify your argument because you refuse to acknowledge the racism that exists within the LGBT community. Well it’s there—alive and well. How arrogant is that?
The man is talking about America—if you want to go there in terms of dark skinned people and oppression and colonization historically worldwide let’s go there then.
You’ll lose.
You and those like you just can’t stand it that black people in America stated—um, I don’t think so—the gay battle is not the same as what we had to do to gain our civil rights here in America.
It’s simple as that. It’s the truth. What’s your problem with that?
And as far as Daddy’s preppy white statement goes you’re missing the point entirely. He’s talking about white privilege issues in the gay community. Maybe it’s time you learn a thing or two about it and how it’s getting in the way of our obtaining full civil rights for all gays whatever their ethnic background.
http://renwl.org/news/lgbt-rights/is-the-lgbt-movement-fighting-for-equal-rights-or-white-privilege-rights-part-1
Derrick Mathis
@Chitown Kev: Kevin don’t argue with that fool. He’s ignunt.
jason
Chitown Kev,
Little Richard and Sylvester??? LOL, you mean like 1958 and 1978 respectively? Puh-lease, give me a break.
In any case, both those artists were camp, not gay. You shouldn’t confuse the two. They are two different words with unique definitions.
Look at recent black commercial music. It consists of Usher, Chris Brown, Drake, TI…all black men determined to prove their heterosexuality. There is not one out-and-proud gay or bi man amongst them.
Thumbs down to this black culture is what I say.
Derrick Mathis
@Cassandra:
@Cassandra: No actually you’re the one who’s not facing the truth. Everything Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich is right on.
What you’re doing is dismissing someone elses experience to justify your argument because you refuse to acknowledge the racism that exists within the LGBT community. Well it’s there—alive and well. How arrogant is that on your behalf?
The man is talking about America—if you want to go there in terms of dark skinned people and oppression and colonization historically worldwide let’s go there then.
You’ll lose.
You and those like you just can’t stand it that black people in America stated—um, I don’t think so—the gay battle is not the same as what we had to do to gain our civil rights here in America.
It’s simple as that. It’s the truth. What’s your problem with that?
And as far as Daddy’s preppy white statement goes you’re missing the point entirely. He’s talking about white privilege issues in the gay community. Maybe it’s time you learn a thing or two about it and how it’s getting in the way of our obtaining full civil rights for all gays whatever their ethnic background.
http://renwl.org/news/lgbt-rights/is-the-lgbt-movement-fighting-for-equal-rights-or-white-privilege-rights-part-1
jason
At least in other countries, you get subversive blacks in the arts. Where are the subversive black males in American music? They’re all from the school of “gotta prove my heterosexuality in my videos and lyrics”. Haven’t you tired of seeing videos of black male singers surrounded by half-naked women?
It’s as if the black male singers and their record companies are promoting the image of black man as pimp. So utterly stereotypical, it’s not funny. Blacks need to take responsibility for this drek.
James_From_The_Great_City_of_Cambridge
@CONVERSATION CHAMBER: You are absolutely right. Jason is using different aliases, as trolls are wont to do, to try and make it seem as if he’s got support. Sad little bigot teabagger. He’s had some kind of horrible experience with a Black man or a group of them and decided they’re all bad and he’s going to “expose” them. Typical wingnut who can’t see beyond his own experiences. Again, as a reminder, I post what he said about Liberals in a Will Smith thread…I’ll keep posting this where ever I see one of his racist rants because it’s important for us to see that he’s not just a plain ol’ racist; he’s a teabagging racist!! Here is open-minded, non-biased Jason in his own words…
“No. 58 · Jason
I always got a feeling he [Will Smith] was a big Mo. He is also a Big Lib and most if not all liberal men have vaginas so no surprise here!”
http://www.queerty.com/will-smith-hired-male-hookers-says-discrete-madame-20081017/#comment-253221
Kev C
Ok, I’ll stay on topic. Quinton Jackson is being packaged and promoted as an angry black homophobe, and that’s meant to be a good thing. He’s a complex and sophisticated man, and like the original Mr T., a role model for boys (esp.black) to emulate.
The message is pretty clear to me. Hating gays is a good thing.
And the victims of this hate are told to shut up .. by gays.
Yet Another
Guys, lets stop responding to this guy right now. It’s nothing going to change or prove anything.
jason
One other thing I’ve noticed is that liberal whites seem to be projecting their homophobia by using blacks to spread the homophobic message. For instance, in a lot of the record companies, it’s often white liberal males within the companies who are signing up homophobic black guys to contracts. Has anyone else noticed this?
It’s as if liberal whites are using blacks to spread a message of hate.
Kev C
@jason: Jason, I’m a liberal white. Blaming this on liberal spinelessness is not an answer I accept. Conservative whites are also guilty of using blacks to spread homophobia, as seen with the Uganda agenda.
Acem
Jason is an argument for why abortion should stay legal. If your life offline is at all akin to your value at this blog, then you are in serious trouble my friend.
jason
Acem,
I don’t really care what you think. I treat your comment in the same way I would treat a comment from a mental Mongoloid.
As I said earlier, I’m a very fair and accepting person. I’ve shared my life with a black person, albeit briefly. It was with a black basketball player from Missouri. He kept calling me “bitch” as I administered comfort to him. I accepted it. I even gave him 5 dollars to put gas in his car.
I don’t resile at all from my criticisms of the black community in general. It is socially conservative on the whole. As such, it should be criticized.
Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich
Jason, please seek some mental health counseling in your city or State. It seems, you have issues with blacks period whether they are gay or straight. Blacks are not monolithic. However, I support the 1st amendment and U.S. citizens having a right to express their opinion on an issue without being labeled a racist or homophobic. However, I’ve notice, many white gays and Jews will call you homophobic or anti Semitic if you don’t share their views. On the issue of church, the black church was all my and other blacks ancestors had during slavery and Jim Crowism in this country, when your fore fathers was beating, lynching, raping, or mistreating them as being non human.
To the fool who stated, black heterosexual have it better than white gay males are living in the “Twilight Zone”. Being white with blond hair and green or blue eyes is seen as being superior by many whites in America. Look at many of your gay magazines. All you see are white preppy men and very few black men. The black gay men you sometimes see in these gay magazines are mulatto (light skin). You see, some whites in America will always see light skin or mulatto blacks with straight hair and Caucasian features as non threatening.
In closing, you have a lot of masculine gay white males living on the down low too. Jason, you sound like a feminine young white bottom sissy.
Booker T
I am going to see the A Team movie and I like Bradley Cooper as an actor and I think he’s attractive. I don’t think Quinton “Rampage” Jackson is a homophobic or hate gays. I had never heard of this man until he stared in this movie. I am gay and I don’t like certain gay people like Jason because of their ignorance and being undercover gay white racist. I like to blog a like and I see racist comments daily on the Washington Post, NY Times, WTOP, and the Washington City Paper blog. Every topic somehow has to be turned into a racist issue. What’s so funny, many times the topic is on something different and redneck white Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and gays put the blame President Obama. I am not fan or support some of the President’s policies, but I don’t blame him for every topic that’s discussed. It’s some dam miserable lonely people in the world. I met an attractive white Brazilian with green eyes last summer. He found me attractive and we dated for several weeks. After dealing with his racial hang ups on what gay white men thought made our relationship difficult. Racism exist too in Spanish speaking countries and in Brazil where Portuguese is spoken based on skin color and hair texture. I finally broke up with the Brazilian and told him to go to hell. For the record, I am a black man that speaks Spanish fluently. When I speak in Spanish with my Puerto Rican and Dominican friends, you should see how ignorant whites, blacks, Central Americans, and Mexicans look at me in shock.
Kev C
And another myth that needs to be busted is the myth that black gays have it tougher than white gays or blacks or whatever. Just not true. Black gays living in white communities or gay communities don’t have a tougher time. Black gays living in black communities rarely have a tough time because all they need is a girlfriend and they can be as down-low, flamboyant gay as they want to and not be bothered by anyone. The only black gays I’ve seen getting beat down are transgenders. They have it tough. Because femininity is seen as weakness, and that’s what homophobes hate.
Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich
Kev C aka Jason, please get back on your meds. Your comment didn’t make any sense. If any think, blacks straight or gay have it hard moving into a predominately white neighborhood. To all you crackers out there, give up your whiteness for one month and then come back and tell your story. None of your would have preferred to have been born black, because you know being white in America affords you white privilege.
Cassandra
The sad thing is that a couple of folks here, desperate to prove that African Americans are free of homophobia
have unleashed a load of racist and homophobic hate speech.
Derrick’s personal attacks do nothing to disprove any point I made, and his idle threat ignores the fact that homophobia is older than slavery, older than the subjugation of Africa, and continued long after slavery was abolished in the U.S., long after the Jim Crow laws were abolished, long after people of color were allowed to marry and serve in the military.
And his dismissals miss the key difference that makes homophobia more difficult: African Americans are not expelled from their families for having dark skin. GLBTQ people commonly are expelled from their families for being not heterosexual.
For that matter, African Americans are not coerced by laws to live as if they had light skin, the way GLBTQ people are coerced by laws like the ban on same-sex marriage and DADT to live as if they are heterosexual. That coercion until just a generation ago meant that most gay men who wanted a long-time companion, had to resign themselves to having sex with someone they were not attracted to.
Of course, there’s the history of torturing GLBTQ people, mostly by the office of the Inquisition, and the extra brutal attention focused on gay men by the Nazi’s during the Holocaust. Yes, people of color were persecuted, imprisoned, and even killed by the Nazi’s – but – only one group of prisoners were routinely sent to prison when the camps were liberated – homosexuals.
Anytime anyone says “I am tired of white gay men comparing their struggles to that of the civil rights movement.” – they are saying that they think GLBTQ people are inferior. Both people of color and GLBTQ people are seeking the same civil rights, the same human rights. Anyone who declares that the struggle of GLBTQ people is less than that of African Americans is saying that he thinks GLBTQ people are less than human.
And if you need confirmation of it, the slurs in Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich are proof positive.
Derrick Mathis
And @Cassandra: @Cassandra:
You just don’t get Cassandra. You just don’t get it. That’s why to this day regardless of any civil rights laws that have been passed blacks are still subject to discrimination, prejudice and all kinds of systematic inequality.
It’s because of people like you. People like you who insist on diminishing someone elses experience to support your point. And your way of being stinks with white privilege thinking.
I thought I sent you to school with the link I posted.
Clearly you’ll never get it. Which is why people like myself and Daddy have to be the way we have to be. Because if we leave our experience for the likes of you to articulate it, there was and is no racism in the world. The yoke of racism couldn’t possibly be that painful in comparison to that of homophobia.
You’re a fool. That’s not an insult or personal attack. You painfully reveal it with your words.
Cassandra
Derrick Mathis
Thank you for playing the standard Fail card of dismissal and false accusation.
At no point have I diminished anyone else’s experience, that would be your peer Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich. And you, of course, because the foundation of your premise is that despite all of the centuries of abuse and oppression that GLBTQ people have experienced, acknowledging our humanity someho ‘diminishes’ people of color.
You’ve made it extremely clear: in your mind, GLBTQ people are inferior to people of color. See, when one believes that all people are equal, then no people’s experience of oppression can take anything from any other people’s experience of oppression, because oppressing anyone is wrong. Only when you believe that GLBTQ people are inferior can the comparison “diminish” anyone else’s experiences of oppression.
I get it alright, and you don’t seem to like the fact that I do understand exactly what you and your friends are saying about GLBTQ people and how ugly it really is.
That you have resorted, again, to personal attack and libel only proves that my posts are accurate. You don’t rebut what I post, you malign me personally instead because I’m not human enough for you to make any real effort for, not human enough for you to be civil too. You see me as innately inferior to yourself, and thus, disposable and dismissible and abusable.
This statement of yours, though, was pathetic: “Which is why people like myself and Daddy have to be the way we have to be.” Like Jackson, you and your buddies articulate racism and homophobia, and then, oh it can’t be your fault, it is everyone else’s fault that you cannot be civil in public.
Basically, you are saying you have to be abusive because GLBTQ people will not cower for you. If we act like we are your equals, you have to put us down, abuse and berate and oppress us.
Mr. Jackson’s remarks were verbal abuse. So are yours, and your pals here.
The moment Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich used the words “cracker” and “sissy” (post now deleted thankfully), his credibility evaporated completely. He’s no better than Quinton “Rampage” Jackson. While your statements to me indicate that you see me as less than human.
You and your buddies are trying so hard to prove Jason wrong by verbally abusing him, and other people, and in the process you are confirming his thesis.
Derrick Mathis
@Cassandra: Lady look, I don’t know what you’re after. But whatever it is, it’s disrespectful to the experience of African Americans and that’s all there is to it. And I’m not co-signing for it no matter how you try to slice it up and serve it as finger food.
Now goodnight.
Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich
Cassandra, were you a white “crack” baby? Until white gay men start being more inclusive of black gay men and stopping thinking their sh&t smells good and they are superior to blacks gay or straight based on their being white, preppy looks, toned bodies, green or blue eyes, blonde hair, education, and having money. I see many white gay males here in D.C. in the Shaw, Adams Morgan, Mount Pleasant, Petworth, Dupont Circle, Gerogetown, Brightwood, Takoma, Shepherd Park, Crestwood, Kalorama neighborhoods acting as if they don’t have a care in the world. I am an educated black man with 2 college Degrees from Howard & Georgetown Universities and I can share the white gay male experience. As I stated, the white gay males in D.C. come across as racist and unfriendly to black gay males or blacks in general. I read an article where gay white males don’t find black males attractive. There are a lot of attractive gay or straight black males who happen to not be mulatto with Caucasian features and straight hair. Once white gay males accept black gay males as human beings and not as being invisible, I will continue to speak out against racist behavior by the white gay community at large. Why do you think there’s so much low self esteem within the black community when it comes to skin color and hair texture? Being dark skin with Negroid features have been taught to us blacks since slavery. You need to read the book “The Isis Papers” by Dr. Frances Cress Welsing’s. Dr. Welsing often discusses global power system of mass oppression– the power system of racism (white supremacy).
Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich
Correction:
I am an educated black man with 2 college Degrees from Howard & Georgetown Universities and I can’t share their white gay male experience.
James_From_The_Great_City_of_Cambridge
@Derrick Mathis: @Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich: Cassandra is quite the religious fruit cake…she loves to argue and wills steer any and all conversation towards her husband-in-the-sky so be careful. She’s taken over many threads with her crazy and you are not talking to a rational person…
Kev C
I’m trying to understand how Daddy Grace feels oppressed by white gays. Because he thinks – that they think – that he’s unattractive? Or by acting care-free they are oppressing him somehow? Or that white gays are part of some global plot to oppress him because of his curly hair? Because he read it in a magazine? It sounds to me like Daddy is fixated, jealous and angry at white gays because of the voices he hears in his head.
Not being college-educated myself, I’m having a hard time understanding the convoluted, conspiratorial, non-evidentiary horseshit U B Sayin’, Daddy.
Black Hispanic
@Kev C, If you think racism doesn’t exist in the gay community you are living under a bubble. You can be black attractive with a nice body, beautiful, but many attractive white gay males will talk to you. The second another gay magazine looking white gay male enters into a gay bar, other white gay men flocks over him. Ask any young masculine attractive gay white male or gay Asian male, and they will say, its just a preference.” Preference my ass! Gay society is flooded with “white? boy” images in Abercrombie, Playgirl, Heatlh Magazine, GQ, Fitch, etc. White exotic attractive Hispanic men are accepted by gay white males and white exotic Hispanic gay attractive men can assimilate in the the white gay at large community. Would Afro or black attractive Hispanics be accepted too? The answer is hell no. People don’t realize, Hispanic is not a race, but it’s a culture. Hispanics can be of any race. Unfortunately, gay attractive or non attractive black gay men will never be accepted into the white gay community at large. Yes racism do exist within the gay community as racism exist in America. White gay men can say they are a minority, but in reality, their being of the Caucasian race makes them the majority. I can’t imagine no gay or straight white male would prefer to have been born black in America or on this planet, because blacks will always be seen as inferior or not attractive based on their skin color, hair texture, and Negroid features by the white man.
Black Hispanic
Correction:
@Kev C, If you think racism doesn’t exist in the gay community you are living under a bubble. You can be black attractive with a nice body, beautiful, but many attractive white gay males will NOT talk to you.
Derrick Mathis
@Black Hispanic:
Honey I appreciate your words but I’m going to have to strongly and passionately disagree with you with wanting to be born any other than black. See, you’re basing black identity and being on what gay white people think.
That’s not the way it goes. I wasn’t born to a gay white world. I was born to an all black world. And that world taught me from the moment of birth on til now that black is beautiful.
Baby, you no idea the thrill and joy of being black brings me. I can name five powerful reasons that bring me joy from being a child of black culture and none of it has anything to do with the way I look—although that’s beautiful too, baby. Here’s five reasons I’m glad glad glad to be a black man in America. You ready?
Here we go:
1. Aretha Franklin
2. Chaka Khan
3. Stevie Wonder
4. Gladys Knight
5. Luther Vandross
Wait. Can I throw in the late Phyllis Hyman for extras?
Honey, to other people these folks may be singers, to me and mine they are mystical sirens—communicators of the black muse. They speak intimately to our souls and hearts. You see, when God decided to make Derrick Mathis, he thought to himself, hmmm–I think I’m gonna make Derrick a black American cause he’d appreciated their music, their men and their food on the deepest of levels. Yea, I’m gonna go that route with him.
God makes no mistakes baby. I’m here to tell you. When I look at the likes of Naomi Campbell and all these beautiful black people—I know God knew what he was doing.
So, yeah. I don’t see myself through the eyes of someone else who’re not even of my culture. Why would I short change myself like that? What do they know about the beauty and joy found in being black?
Only somebody with a very low self-esteem would subject themselves to such. Thankfully, that ain’t me.
Kev C
Black Hispanic: “If you think racism doesn’t exist in the gay community you are living under a bubble.”
Well yeah, sort of a bubble. It’s not like I don’t know about gay communities that are mostly white, but I’m a white whose lived mostly in black communities. Nor do I seek acceptence from either community. Seeking acceptance from groups who are different than you will always lead to frustration and feelings of discrimination, whether intended or not. But discrimination and ignorance is not the same as deliberate hate and oppression.
People are individuals, deal with them on a one-to-one basis and you’ll be fine. But once you start seeing them as a group, people get defensive and resort to group behaviors.
Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich
Kev C, I think you too is a white “crack” baby. Please just say no to drugs.
Kev C
Infintely preferable to pimping for Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, or whatever DC affirmative action employment program would hire you, Daddy.
Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich
Kev C, you are a typical racist white homosexual that’s very unhappy. I don’t work for the District Government cracker bottom.
Kev C
No Daddy, you’re a racist and a homophobe. You probably beat up white gays. It sounds like you’re very angry and jealous of them.
Kev C
“Cassandra, were you a white “crack” baby? Until white gay men start being more inclusive of black gay men and stopping thinking their sh&t smells good and they are superior to blacks gay or straight based on their being white, preppy looks, toned bodies, green or blue eyes, blonde hair, education, and having money. I see many white gay males here in D.C. in the Shaw, Adams Morgan, Mount Pleasant, Petworth, Dupont Circle, Gerogetown, Brightwood, Takoma, Shepherd Park, Crestwood, Kalorama neighborhoods acting as if they don’t have a care in the world.”
See Daddy, not only do you sound like a deranged racist, but a jealous stalker. Why did you list all the gay white neigborhoods? But hey, lots of blacks stalk whites in DC, it’s true, so you have lots of company.
Now why should white gays be “more inclusive” of foul-mouthed stalkers who hate them for being rich and pretty? Seriously.
RLS
There’s something odd about the fact that this thread is up to nearly 150 posts when the “Wale does DC Pride” post has only managed to get around 5. Seems like the posters of Queerty like their black men homophobic and not the opposite. Seems like it’s easier to justify racist attitudes that way (and, yes, many of the posts here are very, very racist).
And, also, black gays need to get over the idea that just because white guys don’t want to date us, it makes them racist. I’m a black gay, and I’m not particularly interested in dating white men. However, I do have white gay friends. I think the difference is that when you see white gay guys who aren’t particularly into dating black men (again, not racist), they also find themselves not particularly into being friends with or socializing with black men (here is where things get questionable).
Our gay media culture socializes people to place whiteness at the apex of attractiveness, so I’m not surprised when people internalize that. It just tells me that they’re not savvy enough to decode the messages being pushed out to them, and such a person is not dating material anyways…
Kev C
Hey, it’s OK to be a black homophobe like Quinton Jackson. It just means you’re a complex and sophisticated black man. All black, all man.
And it’s OK to be a white gay racist, because all white devils are smart, rich and beautiful.
James_From_The_Great_City_of_Cambridge
Methinks Kevin C is also Jason, using diffrent aliases to make it seem as if his neo-nazi agenda has support. Both Kevin C and Jason make appearances mostly in threads where Black people are discussed and their tone and disgust not only for Blacks but Liberals (see above rant on Fannie Mae)is evident. Again Jason, I think you might be happier on Stormfront. Jason/Kevin C is evident of the vast trailer-park potential of the gay movement. Wait until these redneck trash join our movement en masse! Then it’ll be party; a cross-burning party!!
Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich
Kev C, you are a fucking idiot. The neighborhoods I named in D.C. are not all white gay neighborhoods. Many of these neighborhoods are mostly blacks and white sissies like yourself have moved in. I can assure you, I am not jealous of no white cracker sissies like yourself. You are nothing but a bottom that can no longer hold your waste. I agree, you and Jason are probably the same characters on here spreading your racist bullshit. White men whether they are gay or straight is a part of the white supremacy ideology in America. Fuck you racist white homo. Have you ever thought about killing yourself Kev C aka Jason? If not, you should.
Black Hispanic
I have heard it myself from white heterosexual males how racist white gay males are, sadly the evidence has been overwhelmingly true. The gay saunas are filled with magazines depicting skin-heads with tatoos, all whites, and not one black gay model! I also note at the gay bars, and functions that there is a severe segregation, and deep hate, but of course the barriers only come down when they want to copulate you as nothing more than black meat. The gays have benefited from the black cause, yet they themselves are orchestrating hate; practise it, and reinforce white supremacy in their magazines. I have never come across a white gay, especially those who are young, who didn’t have racist attituides. In fact, I am thinking of writing a short story dealing with this subject.
James_From_The_Great_City_of_Cambridge
@Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich: You’re giving this attention whore the reaction he wants, so he can say “look how out of control and homophobic the colored people are!” Don’t let him get to you…he’s either one self-loathing neo-nazi on a site filled with hundreds (thousands?) of good people or some confused 19 year old living in some homophobic trailer park somewhere in White Trash land, unable to express himself in any other way.
James_From_The_Great_City_of_Cambridge
@Black Hispanic: Where do you live? Cause I’m mixed race living in the Boston area and people really aren’t like that here. I have friends (sexual or otherwise) of Black, Puerto Rican and White descent and it doesn’t seem to be a big deal here (though it wasn’t easy finding Black and Hispanic gay friends initially but a lot of White gays helped me when I was first coming out, again sexually and otherwise ;). At the risk of being flamed, I’m assuming you’re somewhere down South where tolerance isn’t big on the agenda….
Black Hispanic
@James from Cambridge. I live in Philadelphia, Pa. the so called city of brotherly love. Philly is a very segregated city.
Black Hispanic
James, doesn’t Professor Gates live in Cambridge, Mass.? Isn’t he the educator who accused the white police officer of being racist? I thought the white police officer that arrested his was sexy and attractive. I find white males to be attracted, but most see black or black Hispanic men as invisible, unless you are a mulatto dam near white looking male. Skin color, hair texture, and caucasian features is still a sign of beauty globally. Do you remember the experiment conducted where a black child was asked which doll they thought was attractived and the black child picked the white doll over the black doll. This study was recently conducted on CNN where white children thought selected other white children as being attractive over blacks. How sad!
Black Hispanic
Correction: I find many white males to be attractive as I find many black Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Afro Cubanos, and West Indians to be attractive too. I love middle eastern men too. I find many white Brazilians and black Brazilians to be sexy.
Black Hispanic
I don’t discriminate when if comes to dating gay men. I usually don’t find Asian men attractive unless they are mixed with one parent being black or white. Asian men tend to have no asses and small penises. LOL
I wished white males were more attracted to black males and they didn’t have that racial hanging up about dating or being in a serious relationship with an attracted black or black Hispanic male. Not just use us for a fuck behind closed doors and ashamed to be seen with us in public. It’s the same as white slave masters raping black slaves and making them pregnant with mulatto babies. This is why blacks in the United States and the Caribbean come in different skin colors. Slaves were dropped off in Braizl and in the Caribbean before being dropped off in the United States. I find many white Cubanos in Miami to be racist towards Afro Cubanos or black Hispanics in general.
James_From_The_Great_City_of_Cambridge
@Black Hispanic: I disagree. At clubs like Paradise and at Pride events and even while trolling cragislist I find both a lot of interracial couples and White guys looking for Black guys. That doesn’t mean they’re not racist; what you’re into sexually often has little to do with your politics. But it really is very tolerant here but maybe that’s because we don’t have as many Blacks and Hispanics as Philly does…when you have a lot of Blacks and Whites living in close quarters, you do find a lot of segregation. I gotta tell you though, while I am biracial and light skinned, I wish I lived in an area like you do in where I had more potential Black partners, because that is my preference and the Black guys I meet here tend to be closeted and/or married. So you’re living my dream! And yes, Gates lives not to far from me but trust me that we don’t have racial problems here…there’s a lot of different races in Cambridge and not a hell of a lot of problems even where I live which is close to a low-income housing development near Watertown. I see nothing but Black guys with White girls here so clearly some people are getting along, LOL!!
Black Hispanic
James, you are correct. You will see attractive white woman datind attractive black men or black Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, and Cubans. The point I’m making, you don’t see attractive white masculine toned men dating attractive black men. The only white men I see attracted to black men are fat ugly bald old white men. That’s not attractive. LOL
Black Hispanic
I wished white males were more attracted to black males and they didn’t have thet racial hang up about dating or being in a serious relationship with an attractive black or black Hispanic male. Stop using use us for a sex behind closed doors and being ashamed to be seen with us in public. It’s the same as white slave masters raping black slaves and making them pregnant with mulatto babies. This is why blacks in the United States and the Caribbean come in different skin colors. Slaves were dropped off in Braizl and in the Caribbean before being dropped off in the United States. I find many white Cubanos in Miami to be racist towards Afro Cubanos or black Hispanics in general.
Chitown Kev
@Black Hispanic:
I think that I agree with you BUT…
What we would really need to talk about is the intersection of race and class. Because some of this is not race as in skin tone but race as in perceived “culture.”
Now I would never consider myself to be a stunningly attractive black man, so I wouldn’t expect myself to attract stunningly attractive person of any race to date or a one night stand, even.
I have to honestly say that I’ve surprised in that aspect.
Kev C
@Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich: Daddy Grace, you should take the advice of James_from_All_White_Blandland. You sound like a raging, foul-mouthed buffoon. Not that that’s a bad thing, but it may offend some pale people.
Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich
Kev C, you have been put on ignore. I agree with James, you are not worth making comments to. Please remain in your white trailer park wearing your white hood over your acne face. Your being a white gay male doesn’t mean you don’t see blacks as an inferior race of people. There are many whites in America gay and straight that shares your racist views of blacks.
Kev C
@James_From_The_Great_City_of_Cambridge:
Listen James_From_Privileged_College_Town, you obviously don’t know me (because I suspect you’re a clueless mofo). I’m not poster James. I’m Kevin C. Let me tell you about me. I come from the absolute bottom of society, from blighted urban neighborhoods filled with violence and seering desperation. As a little white queer, my position in life was lower than a tranny crack whore (no offense intended). But I crawled up out of that hell, covered in blood, spit and scars. Not depending on anyone but myself. I was my own police, my own teacher, my own doctor, my own employer … everything.
And now I have the MONEY, and the KNOW HOW, and soon I’ll be travelling the world, helping people and myself.
I don’t answer to you, Jimmy_Boy,
You
Answer
To
Me.
James_From_The_Great_City_of_Cambridge
@Kev C: Damn. What mental hospital did you escape from? Bitter much?? Don’t fucking take it out on me ’cause you got beat up by some Black kids while growing up; I grew up in Southie getting shit from white kids and black kids for being biracial; and South Boston wasn’t the most integrated or open-minded part of Boston in the 90’s but I also learned to stand up for myself and had some damn good friends along the way too. We’re grown now; fucking let it go and stop coming down on all Black people asshole. And we all know that you’re also this “Jason” person; you both are very similar in tone so give it up already, you fucking train wreck.
Bisexual Vampire
Kev C, how did you make your money without an education? Were you a male prositute or should I say a male hustler? Before you start attacking me, I am white and I live in Silver Spring, Maryland. I agree with James, you need to give a rest and let it go baby. I don’t discriminate when it comes to attractive gay or bisexual men. I like them all baby boy.
Kev C
@Bisexual Vampire: I learned to make and repair musical instruments, violins, flutes, etc, among other skills. I didn’t whore or do drugs. Hard ones, at least. And I don’t judge those who do such things to get by.
@James_From_The_Great_City_of_Cambridge:
Pre-judging people, stereotyping people, insulting those hurt by homophobia? Cambridge James and Daddy Grace are ignorant bigots, plain and simple. Skinhead? Cracker? Nope, fuck off.
Homophobia in the black community affects me directly, Cambridge James. It’s my business, but what business is it of James from Cambridge? Why are YOU here, Jimbo? To insult and upset white gays? Why?
James_From_The_Great_City_of_Cambridge
@Kev C: I’m here, you fucking mental patient, because I’m gay and enjoy reading Queerty, which is among my favorite websites. Why are you here aside from wanting to incite racial hatred using aliases like “Jason” I mean? And you seem to have a real problem with where I live. Since you claim you have so much fucking money, you too can live in a place like Cambridge (I do and I don’t have much money at all) but you won’t because Cambridge is an intellectual, tolerant, beautiful old town and your kind of bitter, angry, racist garbage is not welcome here, which is why, I’m guessing, you live in some shack in Mississipi where you can hold your cross-burnings in peace along with other in-bred trailer trash. Any other question Nazi pig??
Derrick Mathis
@James_From_The_Great_City_of_Cambridge: RMAOTF! Oh shit. Sometimes I just like to read Queerty comment chains cause some of the zingers you folks come up with.
James that comeback of yours ranks among my top 10 Queerty fav comment replies. Oh my stomach hurts I laughed so hard.
Bisexual Vampire
Forget the politics. I am going to see this movie with Bradley Cooper. Bradley Cooper is sexy, hot, and attractive.
ron
@Bisexual Vampire:
Yeah, I heard you ladies really go for him.
Jesse Helms
The big black guy was speaking the truth. Most Hollywood actings are gay or bisexual. Brad Pitt is a bisexual along with Tom Cruise. AIDS is on the rampant in hollywood and in gay porn.
Bisexual Vampire
@Ron, please don’t confuse me with your father by calling me a lasy. I am a real masculine man who happens to enjoy sexual pleasure with other men and women.
Not only do I find Bradley Cooper sexy, attractive, and hot, I think is co star Liam Neeson is very sexy, attractive, and hot. Liam Neeson is a man over 50 and he has it going on.
@Jesse Helms, I thought you were dead?
ron
@Bisexual Vampire:
Trust me, I would never call you a lasy. Dufus.
Bisexual Vampire
@Ron, the AIDS virus has caused you to be bitter and insane.
jason
James from Cambridge,
There is only one Jason with the principle of position that you see on this board. It’s me, the one who says he’s an independent thinker. I don’t belong to the gay collective, and I’m better for it.
I wish more gay people would be independent thinkers. Indpendent thinking brings progress. We need to break away from the herd mentality that is being marketed to us under the “gay” banner.
The sleazy marketeers want us to think like a herd because it’s a way for them to make money. If we think like a herd, we spend money like a herd. Don’t let the sleazy marketeers get away with this paradigm.
James_From_The_Great_City_of_Cambridge
@jason: “Independent thinker”? Spouting the beliefs of a hick from 1850’s Alabama makes you an independent thinker, does it? I guess you’ve become so progressive you’ve circled back on yourself and become regressive. Listen, you’re just another “educated” racist of the David Duke variety, nothing more. You don’t even have the balls like a David Duke does to admit what you are which makes you a coward as well.
Kev C
@James_From_The_Great_City_of_Cambridge: Serioiusly, Cambridge James is nothing more than an ignorant bigot. Look at his post and that’s the only possible conclusion that one can come to based on the evidence.
JJ
Rebuttal quote from Mr. Jackson “…not only DO I NOT HATE gay people, I actually accept them for who and what they are. They always seem happy and most of them I met are very kind and nice individuals. Yes, and like most straight guys I joke around with the whole gay thing and I see it as comedy, not saying that’s right or wrong but I don’t do it out of hate. I don’t hate fat girls but I make fun of them too.”
is it really necessary to drum up a bunch of name calling? Instead of just accusing him of being such an ignorant homophobe- even if he is one- doesn’t give us license to start calling him a fag. It only lowers the level of the dialogue. Let’s be the bigger man, and let him know we don’t approve of being called fags, without stooping to his level.
ewe
He obviously listens to too many evangelical preachers.
ewe
He should be passing out flyers on a corner not being interviewed. This is stupid because he is stupid.
adman
@Daddy Grace Fish Sandwich: Your homophobia is complete here in this thread..do you work for a black owned online mag or something? You’re just trolling, that much is clear. Loser.