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Adam Nearly Refused to Appear on Out, BECAUSE IT’S TOO GAY

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The most noteworthy thing about this year’s Out 100 — Out magazine’s glossy list of one hundred important folks — wasn’t that there was a black person on the cover. Or that there was a straight person. It’s that Adam Lambert, arguably 2009′s most high-profile entrant to The Gays, almost wasn’t a part of it. Because Out is a gay magazine, you see, and Team Lambert can’t be too closely associated with homosexuals.

Lambert gave his coming out story to Rolling Stone and his first major photo shoot to Details, where he was snapped suckling a woman’s breast. So along comes this month’s Out, with Lambert finally granting the gay press a big get. Except his “people” made it quite the trying experience.

Just after posting photos of Lambert on his music video shoot, we read that Out editor Aaron Hicklin laid into Adam’s camp in his editor’s letter — a bold move, since the negotiations between a magazine’s editorial staff and its cover stars is not something that’s usually put on display, particularly since it won’t be long before said magazine is calling on that celebrity (or his agents, publicists, and managers) for more access, or access to their other clients. Bitching against the machine, while status quo on this website because we answer only to our readers, just isn’t something that’s done with shiny magazines. In recent memory, only OK! has done this, reporting on its disastrous photo shoot with Britney Spears (remember the dog poop on the Zac Posen dress); and OK! is a tabloid magazine, to be sure.

But the ire isn’t just targeted at Adam’s handlers, but the star himself — if he knew about Out‘s overtures and his camp’s arm’s length response. Particularly since this is a guy who claims he was never in the closet. Writes Hicklin:

We’re curious whether you know that we made cover offers for you before American Idol was even halfway through its run. Apparently, Out was too gay, even for you. There was the issue of what it would do to your record sales, we were told. Imagine! A gay musician on the cover of a gay magazine. What might the parents think! It’s only because this cover is a group shot that includes a straight woman that your team would allow you to be photographed at all—albeit with the caveat that we must avoid making you look “too gay.” (Is that a medical term? Just curious). Luckily, you seemed unaware that a similar caution was issued to our interviewer.

Perhaps we should have had you and Cyndi in a tongue lock. That would be radical. It’s odd, because this magazine has done covers with Pete Wentz and Lady Gaga—getting straight men and women to do Out is easy these days. It gives them cred. Getting gay stars like yourself is another matter. Much easier to stick you in Details, where your homosexuality can be neutralized by having you awkwardly grabbing a woman’s breast and saying, “Women are pretty.” So are kittens, Adam, but it doesn’t mean you have to make out with them. Imagine how much more radical it would have been to go down on a guy instead of that six-foot Barbie. We don’t think you would have a problem with that—why should you?—but your record label would, and letting them dictate the terms is the very opposite of rock ’n’ roll. And did you read the article? You would think your entire fan base was made up of women and heterosexual men, or “straight dudes” as the writer describes them, just so we can all be clear. No mention of your gay fans, which is kind of disappointing, don’t you think, given what your success represents? We don’t want to sound ungrateful—you agreed to do our cover, and your interview (page 62) is gracious and frank—but if the Out 100 has a purpose it’s to challenge the kind of apartheid that lays down one rule for gay mags and one for all others. We think you probably feel the same way—you even say as much—so we don’t mean to diminish your achievements this year. That’s why you’re in this issue. You’re a pioneer, an out gay pop idol at the
start of his career. Someone has to be first, and we’re all counting on you not to mess this up. You have to find your own path and then others can follow. We just hope it’s a path that’s honest and true and that you choose to surround yourself with people who celebrate your individuality.

We understand a thing or two about access to celebs, and how their handlers dictate their image. Refuse to shape your article in a positive light? Then there won’t be an interview, thank you very much.

But we also understand the challenges of Lambert: becoming arguably the most famous out gay musician over night (sorry, he’s already bigger than Jake and Rufus), and having everyone look to you as a role model. Does Lambert need to be our role model? You could argue as much, given the reach of American Idol, but Lambert is just a twentysomething young man in the beginning of his career. And yet, he does owe us something. While he didn’t win Idol, America’s gays helped propel him this far because we knew, even if producers refused to publicly acknowledge, that he was family. When folks like Bill O’Reilly attacked him — under the guise of fair cultural criticism — after photos of him kissing other dudes leaked, it was us queers pointing out how terribly normal it all was.

So it’s sad, then, that Lambert had such a hard time committing to appear on a gay magazine. The same way David Unger, the former chief of the just-deceased Window Media, blamed homophobic advertisers for the collapse of his media company, it’s fair to say that homophobic handlers OF A GAY MUSICIAN are impeding what should be a natural bridge between an openly gay music star and his gay fan base. We don’t have Lambert’s side of things, and likely never will — he and his camp won’t want to further ruffle feathers — but usually a celeb’s demands to appear in a magazine include having their fashion line or favorite charity plugged in the article. Lambert’s criteria went in a whole new direction.

As Hicklin notes, Lambert leaves in his wake this unfortunate (and true) scenario:

The irony is that right now it would be easier to get Kris Allen to do a solo cover shoot for us. But only because he’s straight.

Funny, because this was what Lambert had to say in this very issue of Out:

I was just going to make [my sexuality] a non-issue, because to me, it really isn’t about that. It’s about the entertainment factor. And I don’t understand why it has to be about my sexuality. I’m just not going to talk about it one way or another. It doesn’t matter. And then when those pictures came out, I was like, you know what? I thought maybe I’ll just own it and say, “Yeah, I’m gay.” But I didn’t want to label myself. What I did was, I said, “I’m not ashamed of the pictures.” I didn’t do the thing that some people do and say, “I made mistakes in the past.” I didn’t want to acknowledge it as a mistake or something I was ashamed of, because I’m not.

Oh, and this:

One of the things that I don’t like about the gay community is that people define themselves by their sexuality — and that’s bullshit. It shouldn’t be about that. It should be that it just so happens that you’re this or that, and that’s your sexuality. It doesn’t mean that that should dictate what your social group is or where you go out or who you talk to or what your interests are. That’s bullshit. That’s outdated.


UPDATE: Shana Naomi Krochmal, who conducted the Lambert interview for the magazine, further explains what went down between Out and Lambert’s handlers. She writes in part:

Despite plenty of back and forth between the magazine and the label about the cover and the photo shoot, I still wasn’t prepared for what happened when I showed up at the 19 Entertainment offices for the interview. I briefly met Adam, and then the publicist and I walked out to the balcony, at which point I was cautioned against making the interview “too gay,” or, “you know, gay-gay.” Specifically I was discouraged from asking about the March on Washington that upcoming weekend or other political topics. I pointed out the difference between the Advocate, Out’s sister newsmagazine, and Out, which is more broadly a men’s fashion and lifestyle book, but obviously made no promises one way or the other. It was pretty awkward, as if we were discussing two totally different people — an Adam who doesn’t seem to have any real filter when talking about his life or his opinions, and an Adam who could somehow be contained, made safe for mainstream America.

When Adam joined us, the publicist left, and Adam and I sat down for a little over an hour on our own. You can read a transcript of Part One here and Part Two here. (It was very lightly edited, mostly to remove blathering set-up for questions on my part or redundant or vague discussion of an album that, in early October, didn’t even contain a track listing.) He clearly has no trouble expressing himself on any issue, be it political, cultural, sexual or musical.

I still wish I’d been more surprised when I was met with such a ludicrous and offensive request. I am a journalist. I ask questions. Out is a magazine whose primary audience is gay men. Is anyone confused about that? I’ve been doing this for a long time and though I’ve been generically warned in a similar fashion before — “let’s make it upbeat and fun!” reps often say, or “just talk about the album/movie/TV show!” — it’s never been quite so egregious or with such an obvious expectation that I would comply.

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  • 125 Comments
    • Bianca
      Bianca

      Hicklin is being a major dick. He basically stabbed Adam in the back. That intreview is amazing and honest and this guy then proceeds to bash him to promote his own agenda.

      Queerty, why the deliberately inflammatory heading which is also inaccurate?

      Nov 17, 2009 at 12:58 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Josh
      Josh

      He still ended up on the cover and he still talked about being gay. He has talked about being gay and having boyfriends in all his major interviews (even Details).

      He has been photographed holding hands and kissing men.

      He is out and proud.

      If he is really afraid of being seen as “too gay” then why did he do a very effeminate photo for his album cover?

      I don’t understand why gay activists always try to tear Adam down and try to act like he isn’t out and proud.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 1:02 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Scoop
      Scoop

      When is he going down on that chick? That sounds hawwwwt, right Bianca?

      Nov 17, 2009 at 1:17 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • maryann
      maryann

      Why are you people hitting on Adam? Go find others to criticize….stop hounding Adam!!!

      Nov 17, 2009 at 1:25 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bianca
      Bianca

      What chick, Scoop?

      Nov 17, 2009 at 1:25 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Scoop
      Scoop

      The girl he talked about going down on when he was drunk in high school, and how he was kind of grossed out then, but gee, things are looking different now and he just may be able to get it up after all.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 1:27 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • YellowRanger
      YellowRanger

      It’s getting awfully sparkly in here…Who left the barn door open?

      Nov 17, 2009 at 1:27 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Scoop
      Scoop

      It’s a Glambert convention.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 1:29 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Gina
      Gina

      “America’s gays helped propel him this far because we knew, even if producers refused to publicly acknowledge, that he was family.”

      I wish I could agree with you here. I have not seen a great deal of support on this site for Adam.

      Adam just want to be an entertainer. He is openly gay and has been so for many years. At this important moment in his career, could the gay community give him a break and let him prepare for the AMAs and his CD release in peace? If you’re not helping him, at least don’t hurt him.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 1:29 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Gina
      Gina

      YellowRanger, misogyny is never okay.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 1:31 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bianca
      Bianca

      Scoop, no it doesn’t, lol. I actually thought he got blown when he said in RS that he had oral sex wih a girl. Either way, he survived it without too much emotional damage.

      I was talking about the whole interview. Did you read it?

      Nov 17, 2009 at 1:33 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Scoop
      Scoop

      Who else thinks his break up w/ his boyfriend was no coincidence?

      Nov 17, 2009 at 1:34 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • YellowRanger
      YellowRanger

      Strong with this one, the fantardation is…

      Nov 17, 2009 at 1:35 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Swarm
      Swarm

      OH he owes you something? Uh, NO. You failed. What specifically did LGBT do? I’m curious. Or did you vote your fingers to the bone and lobby for months and hold fundraisers and promote him all over the country?

      Arkansas did. He lost the finale. Hetero Arkansas outsmarted the “family”. His debt is paid. Sounds like yout big accomplishment was writing a thread sayin “Yeah it sucks”.

      Now I’ll wait to see what?…. About the 16th thread about Obama really being “secretly in favor of gay marriage but it’s really complicated”.

      Don’t think this is the end. Adam Lambert butched up to Gene Simmons for hypocrisy and will have his moment to address this self serving rag too. How funny that you really think they’re so worried about ruffling feathers. The BRAND is now Adam Lambert. Not suck up to constant demanding interest groups.

      Brad tweeted:

      “Take note: On the playground of life, if u give half a sandwich to a hungry friend & they push u down & run away…

      don’t play w them anymore. I know I’m not.”

      I like that kid now.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 1:38 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • joliee
      joliee

      America’s gays helped propel him this far… you are kidding right???

      Nov 17, 2009 at 1:43 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Swarm
      Swarm

      @Romeo here’s a little gift for you when you show up.

      (I totally knew what I was gonna find here. Nice bogus and unproven headline, Queerty)

      Allegedly the band. (the girl is a prop for the video)

      http://twitpic.com/pu2im

      Nov 17, 2009 at 1:44 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Scoop
      Scoop

      The girl he probably went down on! (why interrupt a theme?)

      Nov 17, 2009 at 1:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • JKR
      JKR

      OUT magazine throws Adam under the bus and treats him disrespectfully ? Adam fans won’t buy OUT magazine. Simple as that.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 1:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Selena
      Selena

      What a crappy, misleading headline ! So dishonest.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 1:51 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Gene
      Gene

      No wonder why there is NO openly young gay star in the US.
      Who wants to deal with all this BS from judgemental people.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 1:54 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Scoop
      Scoop

      Yeah, yah, poor gay celebrities, so oppressed by the evil gays.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 1:58 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • scc
      scc

      did they not care about his album cover looking too gay?

      nice misleading title there btw.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 2:10 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jack
      Jack

      Typical whining from a whiny magazine and a whiny website. “He does owe us something”? I agree with the commenter above: now that Out and Queerty can’t get over the fact that Lambert isn’t down on his knees kissing their feet in “appreciation,” I think I like him much more.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 2:13 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Gene
      Gene

      @Scoop

      Please explain why there is NO openly young gay star in the US.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 2:18 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • joliee
      joliee

      I think a lot of people were ready to jump on the wagon to help your cause because of their love and admiration for Adam Lambert…. but, I think you guys have done a pretty good job at alienating those people, or cows as you call them. Do you like when people call you names, or is that different? You’re no better than those you scorn. Hate is hate.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 2:19 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Scoop
      Scoop

      Gene, it’s because the gays are evil oppressors, that’s why.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 2:21 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • gayislasands
      gayislasands

      While the media – including ALL magazines – are busy crapping their pants over whether the singer Adam Lambert is too fffing gay or not fffing gay enough, the rest of us are concerned with the fact that gay people are still being murdered, bashed, trashed and completely denied their human rights in this country.

      Let the entertainment world take care of its own. I don’t give a rat’s ar*e about any great artist’s sexual orientation. I just want to be fffing entertained now and then – as an escape from the BS in the world.

      If you wanna make a song and dance about Lambert then at least put on some of his music and shake your sorry asses while you doing it.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 2:24 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • kat
      kat

      Whoa, whoa, whoa. Is Out saying that Wentz and Gaga are straight? I know Wentz has claimed most of his man-on-man behaviors were in the past, but as far as I understand it Ms. Gaga identifies as bi.

      It’s definitely marginalizing for the *editor in chief of Out Magazine* to claim that two of the most public bisexual figures are somehow actually hetero and doing all of this for the queer “cred”.

      If that’s what he’s implying, then shame on you, Out, you ought to know better.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 2:27 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kieran
      Kieran

      “we answer only to our readers”

      Oh, who are you kidding? Another terribly written article from your constant, negative, droning viewpoint.

      This reader is done.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 2:28 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • joliee
      joliee

      The girl is his keyboard player you morons.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 2:36 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Swarm
      Swarm

      Wait – here’s a good one”

      “…it’s fair to say that homophobic handlers OF A GAY MUSICIAN are impeding what should be a natural bridge between an openly gay music star and his gay fan base.”

      OK Queerty “gay fan base”. how many went to a concert out of the 50 that he did this summer?

      Don’t all answer at once, now….

      Nov 17, 2009 at 2:57 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Scoop
      Scoop

      Bikini girl is not his keyboard player, hon.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 3:03 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Swarm
      Swarm

      @romeo the album is streaming on myspace

      http://music.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=music.artistalbums&artistid=12062273&albumid=14237058

      Nov 17, 2009 at 3:15 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Swarm
      Swarm

      from monte, band with lisa his wife the keyboard player:

      http://twitpic.com/pukkb

      drummer longineu parsons

      Nov 17, 2009 at 3:29 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ophu
      ophu

      JOSH wrote:

      “I don’t understand why gay activists always try to tear Adam down and try to act like he isn’t out and proud.”

      It’s penis envy, Josh, just sheer penis envy. No guy likes to think the other guy has a bigger package, even figuratively speaking.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 3:44 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • CowTipper
      CowTipper

      Didn’t take long for this story to ignite another Sparklecow stampede! Lambert’s fantards (aka SPARKLECOWS)eventually end up on government watch and do-not-fly lists.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 5:17 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Gene
      Gene

      @CowTipper

      A typical idiot from Vote for the Worst. You really need to get a life and stop obsessing about Adam and his fans. You are not funny or cool at all.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 5:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Landon Bryce
      Landon Bryce

      Fuck you, Aaron Hicklin.

      This dude whined for days when people called him on the bullshit move of putting Bruno on the cover, but he attacks Adam Lambert for not being cooperative enough?

      Any gay who has his tongue six inches up Sash Baron Cohen’s ass and can’t cut an actual gay kid a little slack is hurting us all.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 6:43 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • spindoc
      spindoc

      Lambert says ….”One of the things that I don’t like about the gay community is that people define themselves by their sexuality — and that’s bullshit. It shouldn’t be about that.”
      ______________________

      No Adam, YOUR handlers labeled the magazine as gay, the Mormons label us as gay and dangerous, the right wing labels us as targets, the Catholics label us as degenerates, and most countries in the Middle East label us as “better off dead”. So please don’t sit there and say that our labeling ourselves is outdated when it is every outside group doing the labeling. If straight people aren’t afraid to do the Magazine then you are labeling yourself by making such a big deal out of it.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 7:15 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bianca
      Bianca

      His album is fantastic. I heard it all on that stream. He’s going be a huge megastar. We “cows” as some here like to call women of course, will make sure that happens.

      He can make it without a few nasty gays that are jealous and bitter.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 7:17 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      I think Adam’s criticism of the gay community is valid. The gay community is built on a sex act. There’s a cult-like adherence to clubs, social groups etc that bring about cheap and easy sex. It’s a disturbing trend, one that produces a segregated mindset.

      This is one reason why I don’t belong to the collective. I’m an independent person – I think for myself. I fight for gay rights based on the issues.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 7:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • FakeName
      FakeName

      “The gay community is built on a sex act”.

      Wow. Just, wow. Way to dismiss 100 years of international organizing with a sentence that comes straight out of a right-wing nutjob press release. Why don’t you try learning a little something about the history of the LGBT rights movement before tarring the entire community with the same brush?

      Nov 17, 2009 at 8:10 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      FakeName,

      The original intent of the gay rights movement was terrific. But it has deteriorated to a sexual activity/sleaze paradigm in recent years – probably the last 30.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 8:38 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mr. Enemabag Jones
      Mr. Enemabag Jones

      jason

      The gay community is built on a sex act…This is one reason why I don’t belong to the collective. I’m an independent person…

      Until you want to get your prostate polished–then you’re just as sleazy as those you label. Unless you’re asexual, Jason, don’t cast stones–glass houses and all that.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 9:01 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Adam fan
      Adam fan

      Your headline, based on the content of the letter you cited, is innacurate. That said, I fail to see why Glamberts are having a coronorary over the editor’s letter. His attack was aimed at Adam’s management, not Adam, and he did acknowledge that Adam likely was unaware of the negotiations that went on behind the scenes. What I find distressing, and what most Adam fans seem to be ignoring (or refusing to believe) is that Out was instructed not to make Adam look “too gay.” Why isn’t anyone calling 19 Entertainment on this bullshit? People are too busy killing the messenger, I apparently.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 9:05 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • FakeName
      FakeName

      The LGBT movement has deteriorated over the last 30 years, so since 1979? Since which time we have seen in the US the passage of anti-discrimination laws in 21 states, DC and some 150 municipalities (not to mention anti-discrimination policies at the vast majority of Fortune 500 companies and beyond), hate crimes legislation in 32 states and at the federal level, full marriage rights in five states and recognition of those marriages in two others plus DC, partnership rights ranging from limited/enumerated to “everything but marriage” in 13 states plus DC, billions of dollars in AIDS research and treatment, five successful marches in DC along with countless pride/liberation marches across the country, our issues repeatedly brought to the forefront of national politics, and public opinion on homosexuality shifting from sharply negative to strongly positive? Or internationally, where anti-discrimination laws or court decisions are on the books in over 70 countries, full marriage rights in at least seven and civil partnerships in at least 20 others? Amazing what we’ve been able to accomplish what with our deterioration into buttsex-craving, club-addicted sleazebags.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 9:11 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • mikeandrewsdantescove
      mikeandrewsdantescove

      Adams handlers are doing a questionable job. I thought the track for 2010 was awful. Thankfully, For Your Entertainment is redeeming. I’ve heard that single isn’t doing well on the Itunes charts. Leave the diva attitude at the door and embrace everything you can get.

      Mike
      Rival

      Nov 17, 2009 at 9:14 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      No. 43 · jason said…
      FakeName,

      The original intent of the gay rights movement was terrific. But it has deteriorated to a sexual activity/sleaze paradigm in recent years – probably the last 30.
      ____________________________

      Are you joking? So you are telling us that President Obama went to speak at a sleazy bar backroom where people were having sex? You’re saying that the thousands of thousdans of people marching in Washington recently were all stopping to have sex every block? You are obviously ANOTHER stealth Mormon or fundie coming in here whoese views of the gay community are handed out to you by your church or you got them by reading a dog eared 35 year old copy of “Dancer from the Dance” that you found under your fathers nightstand. Nice try.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 9:51 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • hamshank
      hamshank

      The piece is aimed at Lambert’s management as far as I can see, not lambert… and it makes a good point. For all Lambert seems a good open out gay man, what the hell was the Details shoot about? And why did Out have to jump through hoops? (see the popnography post by the excellent Shana who interviewed him in the first place). When an out gay star’s own people are embarrassed by his gayness, someone should call it.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 9:52 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      No. 47 · mikeandrewsdantescove said….
      Adams handlers are doing a questionable job.

      _________________________

      Cheyenne Jackson also used to have a bad rep with gay magazines. They said he flat out wouldn’t do press with them. He later said that it was his handlers that had made that decision and he was unaware of it. Sounds like Adam hired his old handlers.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 9:53 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • scott ny'er
      scott ny'er

      good lord. he’s not a star yet. The album hasn’t sold yet.

      when he starts selling millions of albums, then he can be more liberal with what he does and where he appears otherwise get a grip and be more supportive.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 10:16 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Gene
      Gene

      @scott ny’er

      I agree with you. Gay media keep saying that there aren’t enough visible gay people in the spotlight. Yet, when someone like Adam Lambert is ballsy enough to come out before his career is even established, he is picked apart and his every move is doubly scrutinized. What really gets to me is the sense of entitlement, and huge expectations they place on anyone who comes out and happens to be famous. And we wonder why more celebrities won’t come out of the closet.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 10:29 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • anyway
      anyway

      Remind me again why the gay press is going the way of the dinosaur?

      Nov 17, 2009 at 10:33 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • timmmeeeyyy
      timmmeeeyyy

      If this is the attitude of OUT’s editors, I don’t think I’d want to work with them either. Of course his management would rather have him do Rolling Stone and Details. They are huge demographics. Times have changed. Young gays are much less interested in being in the gay ghetto. They feel free to move beyond their sexual identity politics. I’m surprised that OUT magazine is so behind the times that it doesn’t understand the post-gay experience.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 10:43 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • romeo
      romeo

      Has Adam responded to the Out editorial? Hard to say yet how bad it is. Is Hicklin being pissy and demanding, or did Adam’s management lay a homophobic number on Out? Pretty certain Adam would have been aware of what was going on with the negotiations.

      I’d give Adam the benefit of the doubt on this, barring where he goes from here. Adam has a tightrope he has to walk. He’s made a misstep or two, but by and large he’s stayed pretty true. He’s ambitious and nothing wrong with that, so it’s understandable that he’d want to cool the sexuality in deference to accentuating the music. The music is what sells. As for his management, if they’re the problem, then I’d say they need to get a clue that what’s going on here is a lot bigger and more complex than the usual album rollout. The sun does not rise and set on their asses.

      Hope Adam can keep his balance up on that tightrope.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 10:50 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Swarm
      Swarm

      There are two issues. OUT’s disingenuous letter and the public’s opinion of what Adam Lambert should be and do.

      Suspending disbelief until I actually see the proven REAL WORDS alleged, I assert Lambert is a BRAND in the making now. A BRAND walking the precarious unchartered line CONNECTING LGBT with hetero. He’s owned by neither.

      The fact that some incompetent unenlightened ahole possibly made inelegant ridiculous statements, lacking the skills to achieve the desired outcome without being so obvious, is nothing more than another idiot in a job he doesn’t belong in. Stupidity exists in corporations, deal with it. BRANDS ARE MANAGED. Newsflash. RCA’s real error was not using a confidentiality or non-disclosure agreement before ANY negotiation.I guess Adam doesn’t get a media/entertainment lawyer yet.

      Magically, the “ick factor” really doesn’t exist or nobody should care and Lambert should be blowing a guy in a magazine, yeah ok. WTAF with the rhetoric. If you want to know about the Details “reason” go read it. Since that’s Out’s REAL grievance. They were scooped.

      The letter says “Dear Adam”. The letter fingerwags that LAMBERT HIMSELF was culpable for several unacceptable actions.

      - Is OUT asserting that they wanted to put a cover on this edition of JUST ADAM LAMBERT and not the group? OK, yeah, when monkeys fly.

      - Is OUT asserting that Lauper was only the cover to appease Lambert and his handlers? Laughable

      - Is OUT asserting that they had/have NO CLUE that American Idol never allow media access to any contestant during the season? ESPECIALLY a magazine cover? WHO BELIVES THAT? LMAO AS IF that would EVER happen and it’s a BIG CLUE this guy is stretching the “truth”.

      Meanwhile, “Glamberts” (some LGBT and hetero alike) are disgusted at the lack of REAL support this kid has enjoyed from LGBT since age 18. Not to mention the harassment he gets by every single LGBT and hetero site on the internet. By bloggers and commentators alike, all looking to ride his ass so they can appear oh so clever and attract blog hits. Maybe if LBGT fails to read neutral sites they missed that every damn piece headlines something pseudo-witty about “gay”. The music is never mentioned. Some hetero bitch reviewed his album snippets with the headline “30 Seconds to Gay Mars”. Queerty style.

      When I commented “Why not say ’30 Seconds to Jew Mars’ she deleted the comment. LOL What’s the difference, the guy’s also Jewish. And she may be, too.

      He’s a little busy this week, fyi. New band rehersals, AMA debut, debut controversial album dropping, Letterman, Ellen, GMA. Maybe he’ll get back to ya’ll when you EARN it. Meanwhile the fans who have been there, going to 50 concerts all summer, fighting for fairness for him, buying his music, and promoting his dream will fill in until LGBT gets a clue. (not directed to everyone and of course not Romeo…luv ya)

      Sorry for the novel but I’ve got an album to go order. Please do the same thing and put your monies where your words are and make the “donation” whether you like the music or not.

      And this time, the female Glamberts are on topic here so I refrain from my normal admonition to GTFO of here.

      Peace.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 11:00 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • romeo
      romeo

      Swarm — BREATHE! LMAO

      Nov 17, 2009 at 11:06 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Swarm
      Swarm

      @Romeo – my comment about ‘getting back to ya’ll” wasn’t in response to you I didn’t even see your post till I hit submit. :)

      Enjoy the album it’s really great imo. see link #33

      Nov 17, 2009 at 11:08 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Swarm
      Swarm

      LOL you sniped me again. “breathe”.

      Hell, you know it’s wired in the dna…muahhhh!

      Nov 17, 2009 at 11:12 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      No. 54 · timmmeeeyyy said…
      If this is the attitude of OUT’s editors, I don’t think I’d want to work with them either. Of course his management would rather have him do Rolling Stone and Details.
      _______________________________-

      Well if his handlers did say “Don’t make him look too gay”, the trouble is, sometimes the gay community is so accepting of homophobia that the response is “Well of course they said that! He needs to sell CD’s doesn’t he? I’m just picturing what the response would be if somebody like Kelly Rowlands management said to “Essence Magazine” ok, well, she’ll do your magazine, but try not to do anything that will make her look too black.

      I’m guessing that the response would not be great.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 11:14 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • mk
      mk

      becoming arguably the most famous out gay musician over night (sorry, he’s already bigger than Jake and Rufus)

      There’s no way Lambert is more famous than Elton John. Did you forget about him somehow? KD Lang is clearly more famous too.

      If you take an international view I’m not sure about him being more famous than Jake Shears and his Scissor Sisters. They’ve had huge success in Britain and big popularity in continental europe and Australia. American Idol has some international viewers but it is primarily American.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 11:27 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Republican
      Republican

      Not surprised to see the usual gang of non-gay Adam fans here.

      Look, Adam can do whatever he wants, but I’m sick and tired of him being portrayed as some gay hero when he does shit like the Details shoot or makes comments that suggest he might be *wink, wink* into you female fans sexually.

      His actions are not heroic. They are carefully planned with the intent of maximizing the size of his fan base and wallet. That’s absolutely fine and totally understandable, but it doesn’t make him a hero.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 11:33 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Republican
      Republican

      MK,

      Thank you for saying that about Elton and KD. I couldn’t believe my eyes when I read that comment.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 11:36 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • romeo
      romeo

      Swarm, I know you love me, dollface. Shit, who wouldn’t? I’m irresistible. Just ask Bianca. LOL

      I’m not expecting Adam to be “Mr. Gay Pride” with rainbows and maribou shooting out his ass. Just his existence in the position he’s achieving does a great deal for gay people. He’ll find his way eventually and learn how to avoid blowback. (Hopefully)

      BTW: I’m gifting the album all over the place for Christmas.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 11:40 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Em
      Em

      Look, this is me being a douchebag, and not holding my tongue.

      I am straight, married female…and read Queerty DAILY– no dont go away, yet!

      I am just posting to apologize for all of the fan girls you guys get on here. It must be frustrating to have to wade through the bullshit to have a real conversation with each other. It is frustrating for me to wade through it to ignore the overt fangirls to get the real opinions I am interested in.

      I don’t mind reading the opinions of the straight allies that always post here… but some of the “glamberts” that post, make me sad to be associated with the Adam Lambert fandom.

      that’s all… back to lurking.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 11:52 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Swarm
      Swarm

      LMFAO #65 EM, we know you just lurk for the Obama and other political facts.

      Like here on the other fantarding thread about Adam’s video. But really, thanks so much for contributing to the REAL convo:

      No. 19 · Em

      Poor thing. This reminds me of Christina Aguilera’s “Stripped” album. She came on strong with “Dirrty” and the video (widely mocked) and she had to do some damage control with the single and video for “Beautiful” – featuring Christina back to the basics and without all the “shocking” costumes/make-up/sexually suggestive scenes. We’ll see if Mr Lambert is able to reverse course as quickly as Aguilera did when she was in danger of becoming an industy joke.

      A Glampire from Planet Fierce indeed…

      What’s actually embarrassing is concern trolling.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 12:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Swarm
      Swarm

      BTW EM, my brother is an AIDS fatality statistic what’s your interest here?

      Nov 17, 2009 at 12:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Republican
      Republican

      Em,

      Thank you for that comment.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 12:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Em
      Em

      Swarm, I guess I dont understand what you are saying to me. I read nearly every article on the site.

      As far as #67, I am so sorry about your brother. My husband’s cousin (and, also one of my best friends) is HIV positive.

      I wish I had something profound to add, I just don’t. I don’t have the frame of reference, I am here to read and learn. Sometimes I get gutsy and ask a question. Most of the time I just read.

      I am sorry if I have offended you in any way by posting.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 12:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Em
      Em

      oh, I shouldnt exaggerate quite so much, I read a lot of the articles, obvs not every one… lol :D

      Nov 17, 2009 at 12:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • vernonvanderbilt
      vernonvanderbilt

      scott ny’er: Actually, his album has sold already. Have we already forgotten that he took second place (to Barbra Streisand, no less!) the week pre-sales started on Amazon?

      Anyway, I kinda do and kinda don’t see the big deal here. I understand Out and Hicklin’s position, wanting an openly gay celebrity of Adam’s stature to not only provide them with access, but also a degree of freedom of presentation. I also understand that they believe Adam owes something to the LGBT community at large.

      However, I also understand Adam’s position of preferring for people to focus on the music, rather than his sexuality. He’s an artist, after all. What artist doesn’t want people to pay attention to his/her art first and foremost?

      I also understand (but mightily disagree with) 19 Entertainment’s position. They’re concerned about sales, first and foremost, and they’re irrationally terrified that this “gay thing” will hurt their bottom line. I think there is more than enough evidence to prove that it won’t, but a corporate entity is a corporate entity.

      My position is, we all (gay and straight alike) need to let Adam do his thing and stop superimposing our own agendas on him and his work. We need to trust Adam’s personal judgment on what to do with his career. He hasn’t failed so far. He’s in the headlines almost constantly, his album is going to be huge, and he’s in for a long, successful career. The LGBT community should be embracing that. He does just as much for us (maybe more, even) by being out and successful as he would be doing by becoming a “fierce advocate” (in every sense).

      And huge thanks to Swarm for the album stream link. I’m listening to it now, and I am even more excited for the physical release now. “Soaked” is totally a Queen song. I never got to see Freddie in person (I was too young and didn’t discover them until a few months before Freddie died) but eventually I will see Adam, and that will do until they invent time machines.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 12:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SCat
      SCat

      No. 61 · mk
      becoming arguably the most famous out gay musician over night (sorry, he’s already bigger than Jake and Rufus)
      There’s no way Lambert is more famous than Elton John. Did you forget about him somehow? KD Lang is clearly more famous too.
      —-
      mk: Did you not read the “OVERNIGHT” part. And I believe this was in reference to the American market, which has not had any OPENLY GAY singers that came out AS SOON AS their career started.

      And Adam WILL be the difference between all the other American Idols (Kelly Clarkson is big in the UK and Australia BTW). He WILL be a huge star internationally because other countries are willing to ACCEPT his GAYNESS unlike America.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 12:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Swarm
      Swarm

      WAIT – TIMEOUT

      GO READ OUT SHANA NAOMI KROCHMAL’s QUASI BACK PEDAL ON HER BLOG

      There was “some confusion” over their intent. LMAO

      Poor girl,she felt “awkward” when the publicist asked her just before the interview to not focus on political topics.

      And some lame thing that Aaron is “British” and they were “angry”.

      Poor Out writers feeling bullied by big bad RCA guy and unable to voice their concerns or stick to their convictions BEFORE the interview or cancel the damn thing.

      Keep talking about YOU Shana, and not giving any real specifics.

      http://littleglitterlittleglam.blogspot.com/search/label/Article

      Nov 17, 2009 at 1:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Yuki
      Yuki

      “One of the things that I don’t like about the gay community is that people define themselves by their sexuality — and that’s bullshit. It shouldn’t be about that. It should be that it just so happens that you’re this or that, and that’s your sexuality. It doesn’t mean that that should dictate what your social group is or where you go out or who you talk to or what your interests are. That’s bullshit. That’s outdated.”

      I fully agree with Lambert’s statement, that’s for sure.

      However… he strikes me as using his sexuality as a shock factor to sell more, rather than being honest about it. That photoshoot of him making out with a woman was simply to get a reaction from people, I should think.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 2:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Danny
      Danny

      Uh Oh. Now you’ve done it Queerty. You’ve upset the folks over at AfterElton. The old men actually took time from writing book about young teen boys having sex to write this –

      http://www.afterelton.com/people/2009/11/adam-lambert-aaron-hicklin

      Nov 17, 2009 at 2:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Phil
      Phil

      Hicklin says that he made a cover offer before American Idol was over, which of course would be the interview in which Adam officially comes out. Adam decided to do exactly that, but in Rolling Stone rather than OUT magazine. Hicklin’s complaints are so OBVIOUSLY sour grapes. I’m sure Hicklin has carried a grudge about it since then. Since when is coming out to the world in Rolling Stone rather than OUT an unethical or self-hating thing to do? Both Hicklin and the author of Queerty’s article are seriously confused.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 3:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Catttt
      Catttt

      Meh. I can see, after reading the reporter’s remarks, why the editor was angry. I think that the AI company is trying to – you know – make money. BUT they are typically over-the-top with their demands – they try to stage-manage life.

      I think that Adam Lambert is super-talented and a hot commodity but scary to them. They don’t want to lose all those women in middle America whom they think will freak on his gay. I think EVERYONE but Adam Lambert is over-reacting.

      The interview itself is all on the Out site now and is pretty out there – no pun intended.

      It does seem to me that the AI company has no problem with Adam Lambert’s sexualness – they just don’t want it to be all uber teh ghey. They don’t need to worry – he can handle is sexualness and be attractive and himself and hot and all that in photoshoots without their freaking out over professionals in the publishing biz and ticking them off like this. They are so ham-fisted. (heh)

      Nov 17, 2009 at 3:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • pleabody
      pleabody

      lamberto is such a dickhead. Its quite obvious that he playing up to his record label and all of his millions of suburban fans who just wanna stick him on the wall and then in three years make fun of his corny ass.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 3:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Catttt
      Catttt

      Oh boy – Swarm and Danny – good catches!

      This is – I don’t want to say fun – INTERESTING. Hee hee.

      Phil – I do kinda think Mr. Hicklin had a cactus in his briefs when he wrote his remarks. That explains why to an extent.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 3:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Phil
      Phil

      The plot thickens. AfterElton reports that “Adam is currently represented by 19 Entertainment, the creator of the Idol franchise and with whom every Idol contestant is initially under contract.” So Adam gave an interview with OUT which was, by all accounts, honest and open. Yet legally, he has no choice but to work with the publicists at AI’s franchise company, 19 Entertainment, at least initially.

      So tell me again, why is Queerty’s writer calling the publicists’ comments: “Adam Lambert’s Dickhead Move”? Sounds like the writer of the Queerty article is the dickhead. Does this writer resent gay men that are TOO successful? Maybe just a little, tiny bit?

      Nov 17, 2009 at 3:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • romeo
      romeo

      Hard to tell what Hicklin’s real intent is, but tend to side with Swarm in that they could just have cancelled the piece if they didn’t like the terms. That might have diplomatically made the same point. But Adam was open enough in the article itself.

      Problem is this, OUT is a known and respected magazine. An editorial that strongly worded will be noticed in the mainstream media generally, which could lead to some uncomfortable questions being asked in their much wider forum. Questions that may not be that easy to PR away.

      Adam would be wise to try to smooth this over.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 3:54 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • scott ny'er
      scott ny'er

      @vernonvanderbilt

      scott ny’er: Actually, his album has sold already. Have we already forgotten that he took second place (to Barbra Streisand, no less!) the week pre-sales started on Amazon?
      ————————–
      does it state how many cds that was? I’m not calling him a success until 6-12 months after the release of his cd. All I see is hype now. Which can turn into success. Or not.

      Honestly, very few Idols are considered successful. Jordin Sparks may have had top ten hits but her album sales are poor. And Taylor. Forget about it. Jennifer Hudson. That undeserved Oscar hasn’t helped her album to sell but not much so just imagine if she HADN’T won the Oscar.

      Adam has a huge fan base it seems so he might be another Clay. But, I think expectations are much higher than Clay. Again, let’s just see what happens.

      Adam and his team need to position him carefully. As do all potential and current music stars/celebs.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 4:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • vernonvanderbilt
      vernonvanderbilt

      Scott:

      Adam’s pre-sale figures were not released (as far as I know, I could be wrong) but Carrie Underwood was at #39 and had sold 110,000 copies. I don’t think it would be pushing it to say he probably sold somewhere in the range of 300-400,000 copies.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 4:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • a-cha-cha-cha
      a-cha-cha-cha

      Who cares if a pre-packaged 30 year old with twink ambitions sales 300,000 or 3 records. What a world. We deserve it.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 4:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • mk
      mk

      @ scat

      mk: Did you not read the “OVERNIGHT” part. And I believe this was in reference to the American market, which has not had any OPENLY GAY singers that came out AS SOON AS their career started.

      Yes, I read the full comment.

      The comment was “becoming arguably the most famous out gay musician over night (sorry, he’s already bigger than Jake and Rufus)”. Your interpretation would make sense if they had worded it “becoming arguably the most famous overnight out gay musician”. That is not the way it is worded. As it stands Queerty is saying that in an overnight rise Lambert has become the most famous out gay musician, which means they are saying he is more famous than Elton and KD. There is nothing to indicate they are talking about only people out from the beginning of their career or only the American market (Rufus is Canadian actually), although I prefaced my comments about the Jake with “if you take an international view”.

      They actually didn’t specify LIVE gay musician either, and if you want to include dead gay musicians Freddie Mercury is and was more a more famous out gay musician than Lambert.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 5:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      Every gay publication is full of half-naked men on nearly every page. And you’re going to tell me the gay community isn’t built on sex???

      We are like the desperate heterosexual men who build their lives around the girly magazines.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 5:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      No. 86 · jason said…
      Every gay publication is full of half-naked men on nearly every page. And you’re going to tell me the gay community isn’t built on sex???

      We are like the desperate heterosexual men who build their lives around the girly magazines.
      ____________________________________________

      Interesting, which publications are you reading? Additionally, GQ, Esquire, Details, etc… all have scantily clad women in them, Vogue is completely based on fashion and is a huge selling magazine, are we then supposed to infer that the entire straight community is either sex crazed or shallow and only interested in clothing? Your weird targeted focus again makes me think that you are one of those odd fundamentalists who once stole a gay porn magazine and has become weirdly focused on it.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 6:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Swarm
      Swarm

      Adam Tweet:

      (cant resist sayin I told ya so)

      Dear Aaron

      It’s def not that deep. Chill! Guess ya gotta get attention for the magazine. U too are at the mercy of the marketing machine.

      Until we have a meaningful conversation, perhaps you should refrain from projecting your publication’s agenda onto my career.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 6:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Swarm
      Swarm

      Then:

      adamlambert

      On my way to rehearsals for the AMA performance of For Your Entertainment. My band and dancers are siiiiick.

      LMAO I love that kid. Wonder what Aaron’s doin, tonight.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 6:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      I finally remembered what the hell his album cover reminded me of.

      http://img461.imageshack.us/i/sophiiife9.jpg/

      Nov 17, 2009 at 6:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Swarm
      Swarm

      http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=single&action=display&thread=170&page=1

      Adam tweeted that he appreciated the author’s blog (above)

      Nov 17, 2009 at 6:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Gold Digger
      Gold Digger

      swarm, you are a total fool if you think that Adam actually has control of his twitter account. That is all cleared by PR and AI.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 6:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      I’m not saying that every member of the gay population is sex crazed, I’m simply saying that the gay community is built on sex. Everywhere you go within the community, sex is the driving force. Sleazy nights out in bath-houses and sex clubs seem to dominate our psyche.

      We’re an extremely narrow-minded community in how we conduct oursevles.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 7:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • leanleft@mac.com
      leanleft@mac.com

      this is quite possibly the funniest chat log in queerty history.

      sparklecows- i love it. it is my word of the week.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 7:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      No. 93 · jason said…
      I’m not saying that every member of the gay population is sex crazed, I’m simply saying that the gay community is built on sex. Everywhere you go within the community, sex is the driving force. Sleazy nights out in bath-houses and sex clubs seem to dominate our psyche.

      We’re an extremely narrow-minded community in how we conduct oursevles.
      _______________________________

      LOL!! Oh, you blew it right there fundie! Either you’re a right winger posing as gay to comment here, or you are a meth addict who is homelss and hustliing. I have a large circle of friends, aquaintences etc.. I’ve lived in 3 major cities and I can’t name any that have been to a “Sex Club” or Bath House. Again, my guess is you’re a winger just on here to cause trouble, but if you really are gay, then you have some major self hatred issues to work out.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 7:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Swarm
      Swarm

      @92 Gold Digger hmmm…a “fool”. SRSLY You guys are a riot. All experts about a stranger with no knowledge. What’s your basis for that? Clairvoyance?

      Lambert’s tweet challenges are infamous. It’s a big inside joke with the fans. duh.

      It’s pretty funny. Sometimes when an asshole makes a rude comment he’ll answer just to unleash the fantarding power on the unsuspecting recipient because he knows we all read his inbound tweets. Sometimes fans say “oh no Adam dont say that” all worried that he’s opening up a can of worms.

      ****See, if you knew so much you’d know one can read all inbound tweets to a person by doing @reply (person).******

      Nothing he does is unseen on there lol. To make silly statements based on zero knowledge just makes you look more petty.

      You probably are above the lowly twitter but if you read his history there is not much doubt who’s typing.

      Now if you’re saying his statement was cleared, so what? How is that unusual?

      And are you saying his spontaneous bitchslap of Gene Simmons in the Rolling Stone interview was “controlled” too?

      WTF man, ya’ll project every petty thing you can think of on the guy. FOCUS. :)

      Nov 17, 2009 at 7:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Swarm
      Swarm

      @leanleft it’s not Queerty’s it’s from Vote For the Worst. They’re sweet.

      One guy there wished that someone would tie up Adam and beat him on a football field until he was….well you get the drift.

      Nov 17, 2009 at 7:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • seanboy
      seanboy

      ugh! both OUT and Lambert are messes. OUT is a magazine who every year gives their out 100 nods to the same people over and over. Look at the percentage on the list who are in entertainment or fashion. what about medicine, finance, acedemia, etc? every year that tired magazine acknowledges the same handful of people. come on! do some work OUT and really find people who are deserving.

      as for lambert, he certainly knew what kind of publication OUT is and what would be expected. don’t agree to the interview if you can’t give them what they want. would a black musician be interviewed by JET or EBONY and not talk about how being black has influenced them. Would a woman interviewed by MORE not talk about what it is to be a woman over 40?

      Nov 17, 2009 at 8:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dontblamemeivotedforhillary
      dontblamemeivotedforhillary

      Dickhead is such a British term…or the colonies! Adam Lambert doesn’t need to worry about what unemployed queens think on a snarky website. BTW – Kris Allen’s Album is a bomb with the critics!!!!! He who laughs last, laughs LOUDEST! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (snicker!)

      Nov 17, 2009 at 10:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • alan brickman
      alan brickman

      JOBRIATH WOULD HAVE DONE IT BETTER……

      Nov 17, 2009 at 11:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Morgan
      Morgan

      @Golddigger Adam Lamberts’ twitter is under the control of his management?

      That explains the tweet of Drake’s naked hairy ass in the string of Tweets to Aaron.

      Seanboy try reading the interview. It was entirely about being gay. wtf now we review interviews without reading them.

      Nov 18, 2009 at 12:20 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Swarm
      Swarm

      OH THIS IS GOOD…..See having Twitter skills rules.

      aaronhicklin:

      @mogulmama I love Adam, too, just don’t like a gay publicist of a gay artist telling a gay editor not to make his client “too gay.” unfair?

      Bummer. The HOMOPHOBIC PUBLICIST from RCA is gay.

      Why am I not shocked. And why am I not shocked that this dimwit tweeted it as the basis for his complaint.

      So….a gay editor and a gay interviewer didn’t like the concept of a gay publicist’s pre interview groundrules, and the gay subject, who wasn’t even in the room gets publicly beat up after the fact.

      Nov 18, 2009 at 1:15 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bianca
      Bianca

      How exactly were they supposed to make Adam “more gay” looking? Put him in a dress?

      Aaron is the mother of all fools. Yeah, Aaron, “him going down on guy would have been more radical” and what acareer starter, ay? Remind me of any openly gay celeb man who did that? One? Any?

      And what is it about “We are all counting on you not to mess this up”.
      Who appointed Hicklin to speak in the name of “all” gays? Since when does Adam or any gay owe anything to Hicklin? Is Hicklin the dean of the gay faculty, setting the criterions for graduating gay school and the criterions to being gay the “right” way?

      Out got it’s cover. Out got a really good interview that in great part actually talks about his life as a gay man. But, that wasn’t enough. There was a need for a public admonition because Mr Hicklin thinks Adam being gay is enough for him to have some kind of a hold on him and dictate to him how to be gay “the right way”. If indeed this esteemed editor had an ax to grind with Adam’s management, why didn’t he do it on the phone?

      Yeah, that doesn’t sell too many magazines, right?

      Nov 18, 2009 at 2:08 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jeff
      Jeff

      Swarm: Adam does not do his own tweets. PERIOD. Those are handled by PR people and assistants to PR people. He didn’t read tweet about a blog article either, that is a PR person. Adam has an album coming out, you think he has time to sit around reading fan drivel? Of course his Adam’s challenges are famous, the PR people want people to be involved and spreading the “excitement”.

      Jesus, it’s shocking how easily Adam’s fanbase is manipulated.

      Nov 18, 2009 at 8:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Swarm
      Swarm

      As further proof that Adam does not do his own tweets, we have this this morning:

      adamlambert

      hilarious: http://www.huffingtonpost.c… about 4 hours ago from web

      But of course in keeping with the Huffpo piece, the focus is “oh no he doesn’t tweet himself” here instead of the topic.

      Jeff you are just making the entire thing so ridiculous. You cannot possible have ever even been watching his twitter history. THIS IS A NEW ONE. Twittergate.

      What a bunch of smacked asses, seriously. Gay marriage is doomed if Queerty is any representation of the mentality of the movement and the priorities therein.

      Nov 18, 2009 at 8:56 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Swarm
      Swarm

      And Jeff, by “challenges” we mean tweeting wrong, or tweeting goofy stuff like “I like Hpeen” to Kris Allen on halloween.

      I am not referring to life challenges. (eyeroll)

      And yes, I’m quite sure the tweets to all his non famous friends and promoting his (mostly gay) professional friends are RCA.

      Nov 18, 2009 at 8:59 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Swarm
      Swarm

      Sorry for the third comment I was just so amused at you Jeff.

      Now back to the TOPIC. Please explain how 3 gay people having a catfight and blaming Lambert influences this discussion. And comment on if RCA is homophobic now.

      Or is it more to your narrative to focus on Twittergate?

      Nov 18, 2009 at 9:02 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Twittergate Watcher
      Twittergate Watcher

      OH NO! You mean Adam didn’t invent “twat” and it’s really his management tweeting Eden Espinosa, Lee Cherry and Ashley Gomilla about her hair?

      Wow they must really keep a detailed log so Adam can remember his favorite vocal breakdown in Knights of Cydonaia and IAMX’s Kiss and Swallow.

      And the spelling errors and typos are a nice touch.
      Maybe there is no Adam Lambert at all and it’s like that movie Dave.

      You jackasses.

      Nov 18, 2009 at 9:50 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Frankie
      Frankie

      Here is the reason After Elton went to Adam’s defense on this, they are trying to get an interview with him.

      http://www.afterelton.com/people/2009/11/adam-lambert-aaron-hicklin?page=1,1#comment-101948

      What better way than to stick their head up the PR person’s ass?

      Nov 18, 2009 at 10:26 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mark
      Mark

      @ Bianca: By “too gay” they meant activist, not appearance. They didn’t want them asking Adam about gay rights, the upcoming march on Washington and political issues.

      The OUT editor should have known better than to make this all public. There is no way he’ll beat the American Idol pr team even though he is 100% correct.

      Nov 18, 2009 at 10:29 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • captivity hurts
      captivity hurts

      Former homophobic co-contestant Michael Sarver interviews and answers question about what cool people he’s met on Idol. Cindy Lauper, Queen, Smokey Robinson, Randy Travis, Slash, Simon Cowell ? NO. Adam Lambert.

      Tell us Hinklin, do you have any testimonials even ONE saying this about YOU or Out magazine?

      “Actually the coolest person I’ve met is Adam Lambert. As far as teaching me the most. And it has nothing to do with music. It’s got everything to do with character. And people. And accepting people and understanding differences and not seeing the difference before you see the person first and um, I have to say that I’ve grown the most from any certain individual it has to be Adam Lambert.”

      @ 5:21 on video here which happens to be a very inspiring one

      Nov 18, 2009 at 10:57 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • captivity hurts
      captivity hurts

      @mark #111 Doesn’t the fact that the pr person is gay, according to Hinckler’s tweet mean anything in this dialogue?

      Why isn’t THAT person being outted and subject to the actual scrutiny?

      Nov 18, 2009 at 11:00 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mark
      Mark

      @Captivity. Based on what you said it’s obvious you are just following the hype and you haven’t actually read the letter from the Editor. This is all about the PR people. They are the ones being taken to task.

      Nov 18, 2009 at 11:05 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • JonathanHasHadIt
      JonathanHasHadIt

      1. The title of this article is misleading. A travesty.
      2. Out magazine is dying; The Advocate is now becoming an insert to be tagged along with Out, so basically, it’s the incredible shrinking press what we have before our eyes, and editor Hicklin is desperately trying to create a buzz, of any kind.
      3. No African American or Latino gay men on this cover. Why? Aren’t there any? And why another straight woman?
      4. Hicklin has been putting straight people on the covers of Out for a long time now, so what is he complaining about?
      5. Good God, how much more GAY does Adam Lambert need to be? He looks like Pink’s sister on his album cover!
      6. Catty, catty, catty… and bitchy. All this bickering reinforces the stereotype of gays as fighting queens. Now, could there be any truth to that stereotype? Hummm…

      Nov 18, 2009 at 11:31 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • timmmeeeyyy
      timmmeeeyyy

      Hinklin is being petty and unprofessional. If he or his writing staff have a problem with Adam Lambert’s publicists, they should deal directly with those publicists, or just leave Lambert out of the magazine. But instead he writes an “open letter to Adam,” ie an open letter to OUTs readership that takes Lambert to task for the actions of his publicist.

      OUT has a magazine issue filled with 100 amazing and talented people. But they choose to write an editorial about a fight with a publicist. Lambert himself gave them a gracious and open interview. Does OUT have nothing more important to say?

      Nov 18, 2009 at 12:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bianca
      Bianca

      106, lol

      110 – Mark, thanks. Well, I think a person, any person has a right to determine just how political they want to be. A person has a right mot to be an overt activist if they don’t want to be. Had Adam been political before the AI experience, I’d say he’s a cynical, opportunistic bastard now but he seems to never have been very political so it’s in accord with his past.

      That said, guys, go listen to his cd. From what I heard, he has at least two poilitical songs. Master Plan is VERY political (a great ong too). “Strut” also has a lot of political messages although it’s just an empowerment anthem, which of course could be taken as a gay anthem or empowerment to anyone. It’s a great song too.
      There’s “Fever” that is a very sexual song and he sings “he” in it so he never changed that (Lady Gaga wrote it).
      He sends his message across alright but he does it differently than what Hicklin wants him to.

      Go listen here if you’re interested.

      http://www.ilike.com/artist/Adam+Lambert

      These are the lyrics to Master Plan:

      You run away from everything that you fear
      So afraid ya don’t wanna be a part of it
      You see the fake in everything that is real
      You hate the paradox
      You put us in a box

      We going to find out what makes us right or wrong
      Waste of time and we just livin’ it
      I wanna see you touch you one on one
      No stoppin ’til we’re done
      We’ve only just begun

      We are the face of the new generation
      We are the ones who have no reservations
      Don’t give a damn ’bout your cold calculations
      welcome to the master plan don’t care if you understand
      Don’t care if you understand
      welcome to the master plan,

      Your skin is burning at the sight of me
      Your mask can’t hide what you’re thinkin’
      Don’t ask (Don’t tell)
      Just take what you need
      I’m an open book
      So go on and take a look

      We are the face of the new generation
      We are the ones who have no reservations
      Don’t give a damn ’bout your cold calculations
      welcome to the master plan
      don’t care if you understand
      don’t care if you understand
      welcome to the master plan

      There’s you, there’s me
      I feel your energy
      I hope we’ll see
      Things ain’t what they used to be
      Look at the face

      We are the face of the new generation
      We are the ones who have no reservations
      Don’t give a damn ’bout your cold calculation
      welcome to the master plan don’t care if you understand
      Don’t care if you understand
      welcome to the master plan

      Don’t care if you under
      welcome to the master plan
      don’t care if you ..understand!

      Nov 18, 2009 at 1:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • captivity hurts
      captivity hurts

      @mark 113 Obviously from your lack of answering my question you are the disingenuous and unenlightened one about the issue.

      Noone would give a rat’s ass if the letter was addressed to RCA. And didn’t bash Adam Lambert for his past “actions”. That’s been stipulated ad nauseum across the internet. But it wasn’t.

      Are you one of those who when reading about Obama you read “He’s really secretly for gay marriage”.

      Selective reading.

      For you to pretend that the the nasty, fingerwagging, paternal threatening admonitions to Lambert are meaningless, and the narrative is strictly RCA and has no negative impact on Adam Lambert shows you to be exactly the “type of gay” that makes us weary.

      I’ve lived in the gay community for 45 years as a hetero sister of a gay man (RIP)and believe me we are exhausted carrying water for you.

      Now AGAIN. Does the fact that the PR REP IS GAY enter into this dicussion? It’s a simple yes or no, really, no need to criticize the person asking the QUESTION (that you seem reluctant to answer)

      Nov 18, 2009 at 2:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • captivity hurts
      captivity hurts

      Here’s MY narrative Mark, did you even KNOW that Hinckler tweeted about the publicist’s gayness after the fact?

      Gay PR person discusses interview with gay interviewer of a gay magazine.

      Apparently requests some downplaying of some gayness (who knows)

      Gay interviewer is “awkward” (in her words) and doesn’t cause a fuss.

      The interview happens with the subject who is clueless abt the conversation.

      The interviewer files the story with “anger” (her words)

      Her gay editor does nothing but goes to press with a nasty letter TO THE SUBJECT of the interview.

      The nasty letter OMITS THAT THE PUBLICIST IS GAY when raking RCA over the coals. But the editor mentions it on twitter.

      The subject is left bashed and likely highly stressed at the most critical point in his career.

      NICE JOB GUYS. Three gays in a catfight and someone who’s not involved gets hurt and becomes the target of unwelcome demands that he OWES the gay comm something.

      Thank god there are hetero and homo gay women to support this kid along with a handful of MEN.

      Nov 18, 2009 at 2:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • reading is fundamental
      reading is fundamental

      http://www.popnography.com/2009/11/an-open-letter-regarding-an-open-letter-to-adam-lambert.html

      ^^ Shana’s blog She was out of her league.

      Prolly like this:

      Gay Publicist :

      Shana, ok we’re not going for gay-gay here, no Village People type shots and for now, politics is off our radar ok?

      Shana:

      Uh…well..ok I hear ya.

      Shana later:

      OMG OMG OMG I”M SO PISSED OMG OMG AARON AARON DO SOMETHING SON OF A BITCH OMG OMG OMG

      Aaron:

      Dumb bitch ….goes to write the letter

      Nov 18, 2009 at 2:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alexa
      Alexa

      A question for anyone who might know, was the publicist in question Roger Widnyowski? If so, he was also Clay Aiken’s publicist while he was at RCA, and if he didn’t want Adam of all people to appear too gay it would help explain a lot of what went on during Clay’s early career, and maybe why he didn’t come out until he was about to leave RCA.

      Nov 18, 2009 at 4:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Swarm
      Swarm

      Alexa, amazing yes! But we don’t know if he was at that discussion but it appears it would be.

      And I find it COMPLETELY APPALLING THAT OUT neglected to mention that he’s gay also until the Aaron’s tweet the next day.

      Seems to me a gay man would more than anyone be able to negotiate these things in such a way that would be without a visible trace of quotable facts. Then again OUT has never given anybody ANY FACTS.

      Why isn’t OUT outing Roger? Or whoever it was.

      Nov 18, 2009 at 5:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Swarm
      Swarm

      BTW, Roger has a VP title and manages most of the successful AI talent.

      This may change to Widnyowski-gate

      Nov 18, 2009 at 5:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Randy
      Randy

      I’m gay, and I’m an Adam fan.

      Adam has made no bones about his sexuality since he came out in Rolling Stone, shortly after AI ended the season. (The timing was part Adam, part 19E. The choice of RS was all Adam; he has said repeatedly he wants to be seen as a singer who happens to be gay, not a gay man who happens to sing.)

      IMO, Adam doesn’t “owe the gay community” a THING. If anything, WE owe HIM the right to live his life as he sees fit… if not, we’re hypocrites, since that’s exactly what WE demand of society at large. He’s said, over and over, that he isn’t political and doesn’t want to be a poster boy for gay rights, and that’s his prerogative. Cutting him down for it is mean and petty.

      I had little respect for Hicklin before this, and have none left now. I’d stopped my subscription to OUT long ago, shortly after Hicklin took over as EIC; I don’t see myself buying it in the future as long as he’s at the helm.

      Nov 20, 2009 at 6:38 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      Wow, so the Adam fans are going down the exact same road as the Clay Aiken fans. Everybody just stand back and watch the trainwreck.

      Nov 20, 2009 at 10:07 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      No. 123 · Randy said…
      I’m gay, and I’m an Adam fan.

      Adam has made no bones about his sexuality since he came out in Rolling Stone, shortly after AI ended the season. (The timing was part Adam, part 19E. The choice of RS was all Adam; he has said repeatedly he wants to be seen as a singer who happens to be gay, not a gay man who happens to sing.)

      IMO, Adam doesn’t “owe the gay community” a THING. If anything, WE owe HIM the right to live his life as he sees fit… if not, we’re hypocrites, since that’s exactly what WE demand of society at large. He’s said, over and over, that he isn’t political and doesn’t want to be a poster boy for gay rights, and that’s his prerogative. Cutting him down for it is mean and petty.
      _______________________________

      Nice try “Randy” but we all remember when the Clay Aiken fans would come storming on here every time Queerty wrote something about Clay, then they would get attacked, they would then comeback and change their screename to a male one and start off every post with “I’m a Clay fan and I’m gay” then would proceded to tell us what the gay community owed HIM. So nice job following the script but you may want to be more origional next time fangirl.

      Nov 20, 2009 at 10:25 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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