Then you had men, who were intimate with other men, but because they were in love, and would see each other as equals; they’d never engage in penetration sex- they’d do something else- which we today call “frot”- but all cultures had a word for it which always translates to “rubbing of the genitals”. That type of sex between men was seen as “ideal” and “manly” and was always done among the warrior/fighter/soldier class. Only women, and men lower in status socially (slave boy), were to be penetrated.

usualy all people try to protect their children from sexual activities. rich or more educated families have more chances to protect their boys and doughters from sex.
I dont have nothing against gay comunity.
sexuality its something given by nature and nurture and if you born as stright and grow up with gays or used by them then you will be gay.
i think if a guy have his fist sex with girl and they like each other, he will never have sex with guy.
luckely for me i grow up in russia with plenty girls around ;)
for gay friends when they are young its fine and its fun to be gay but imagine when you 50 or 70. what you gonna do then? no children no granchildren what you gonna do then?

In this activity the soildier sees the other person, male or female, as a sexual object. Because men have been the gender of the speicies to fight wars, they are the ones who are more socialized to see another human being as a sex object, in order for them to engae in combat and satisfy their biological sexual needs. I believe that this conditioning is so strong that even E when a society is not in a state of war men, at some level,men carry within them this perception of women and men as sex objects, thus the persistnace of prostitution,a business mostly for men only. Women on the other hand who propagate the species, as a matter of the survival of her children and herself, attach loyalty and long term relationship, emotional attachment and, to their sexuality.

I believe that a man can have sex with another man and not feel he is homosexual. I believe that our culture which is very influenced by judeo-christian values does not allow for men to just have sex for sex sake. A perception of what this activity is, and what to call it, based on judeo/christian taboo/perception is where the problem bgins.

If a man who engages in sex with other men says he is not gay, then I believe he is not gay. Our society tends to force people into beliving things that they genuinely would not, as a matter of conformity or politics. If a man says he is not gay then he is not gay, and stop persecuting him with the concept of denial!

An example of our society forcing someone to believe something they believe and feel they are not is the concept of race between north and South America. I for example am of mixed race, a mixture of american indian, African and caucasian. In Latin America we identify someone racially by skin tones, thus we have many names for skin color. In north America one is either black or white. In U.S.A if I have a drop of black blood, I am black even if I look like Princess Diana. For the longest time white and black north Americans have insisted someone like me is black, and that we are in denial, and they will not accept our perception of race classification. I believe this is what is happening with MSM who don’t believe they are gay. The great researcher Kinsey stated that humans are capable of many expressions of sexuality than we actually know.

As for myself, I am a boy who looks like a beautiful girl. In my life I have had literally hundreds of straight men who wanted to have sex with me. And these were straight, not gay or closeted. How do I know the difference? Because gay like men, don’t like women, and are interested in the penis. Most of the straight men attracted to me, were attracted to me for the exact same reason why a gay would be repulsed at the idea of having sex with me: I look like a girl! These straight men were womanizers and loved women. THey had never been attracted to a non-genetic female before.

Why on earth you want to put labels on everything? Most straight men would be willing to experiment and give it a try if there were not all these people obsessed with stupid labels. Sexual behaviors cannot and should not be labeled or spelled out.

My point was that things were much different then than they are today. Not that there’s anything wrong with today.

And it never occured to you that all of those supposedly open minded straights that would seek you out and who ended up marrying women weren’t open minded straight guys, but are rather now, living sadly closeted lives with poor unfullfilled wives? I don’t avoid sex with women because I’m afraid of getting punched, I avoid it because it’s unappealing to me.

Some of these sexual relationships with straight teenagers amounted to nothing more than servicing them, and the instant they ejaculated, they would jump up and be on their way. I had one of those, but I also had what was for me the most wonderful romantic relationship I’ve ever had, including my first kiss. Wow, that boy sure could kiss. He was a year older than me, and ruggedly handsome. He was also very big down there, which could be a problem for me sometimes (I often overheard other boys talking about how big his cock was, or that it was uncut — I got to see it when it was erect and even bigger than what they saw). Sometimes, foreplay would last 20 minutes or so. I often think his wife should thank me for breaking him in.

Although the various U.S. religions were no doubt stricter then, teenage girls were just not available for sex. There was no deeper shame for a family than to have a pregnant out-of-wedlock daughter. The enforcers were their fathers and older brothers. Teenage boys who were as straight as straight can be had to look elsewhere for sex. This usually involved other boys, and was not advertised. So if you were attracted to other boys to begin with, you sometimes got to make it with some pretty straight hunks. True, it could be a one-way relationship with no kissing, but that wasn’t always the case either. And some of these relationships lasted for several years — probably longer than some gay-gay relationships today. Not that there’s anything wrong with that…:)

This is a cultural phenomenon that began to die out in the late 1960s or early 1970s. Today, of course, many teenage girls not only look like sluts, they behave like them too. The straight boys can have their pick.

Since most of you posters here aren’t old enough to remember any of this, you probably think I’m making it up.

Unfortunately, for all the “nice Democracy,”
that “…allows for two gentle men (not butch acting) of the same economic status to be in love.” The truth is in most of America these romantic couples are not allowed to legally marry any more than Victorian same-sex couples were.

“The Victorian Oscar Wilde “Prince and the Pauper” is outdated.” Maybe…not so much. Certainly we’ve been witness to an evolutionary process where same-sex couples are being better integrated into the society as a whole.

The Afghan soldiers are most straight. But across the African-Middle Eastern-Asian Moslem world straight men have sex with men all the time. I recall my shock the first time an Iranian straight man wanted to have sex with me. It’s no big deal over there. They are forbidden from going NEAR a female there, lest they be severely shunned (or worse), so they turn to other men for sex.

Saudi Arabia has been described as a gay Nirvana. Sex between men happens constantly. But it’s absolutely verbotten to be indiscrete about it.

An Iranian told me that virtually all Moslem mullahs there are gay. All of them. And you know the Sufi whirling dervishes are, too.

That’s spot on, in my view. I totally agree.

When sexual repression is that deep and starts from childhood, there’s no way of knowing anymore if they are really gay or simply screwed up beyond repair by social influences and indoctrination.

These men have no way to even test what way they gravitate, the way men (boys) can in more advanced societies (even decades ago). They aren’t allowed any kind of sexual contact with girls whatsoever I’m not even talking about full intercouse but much less.
They grow up in strictly male company and if they marry late (late teens, mid 20′s) what are they supposed to do with all those raging hormones for decades?

I bet almost every man in their societies had at least some kind
of sexual experience with another male.

Now, witht he growth of fundamentalist Islam in Southeast Asia (e.g. Indonesia) this may be changing to stricter enforcement of Islamic law, but much of what I said would apply to Southeast Asia (which is very different from the Middle East).

That’s true for the Middle East, but not necessarily for Southeast Asia (and Afghanistan could be considered part of both).

Of course, in Iran, there is another alternative

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“My point is that you should not confuse self hate and its many permutations with greater acceptance.”

By the way, not confusing the two at all.