As calls for her withdrawal grow, Hillary Clinton‘s now accusing rival Barack Obama of trying to stop people from voting. “My take on it is a lot of Senator Obama’s supporters want to end this race because they don’t want people to keep voting. That’s just the opposite of what I believe.” Obama denies those allegations, of course. [HuffPo]
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rickroberts
Of course, Barack wants to stop the voting. Hillary is favored in the largest of the remaining contests, and she is favored in MI and FL whether they are counted as-is or have a re-vote. She could well end up with more popular votes than he. Incidentally, the majority of Barack’s popular vote lead over Hillary are from Illinois.
Rick
Hillary really needs to get over her self. None of this would be an issue for her, if she was in the lead. She didn’t expect Barack to be a factor in her mission for the White House. The more she opens her mouth. The less likely I am to vote for her if she becomes the nominee; AND I was never against her.
Nick
As someone who lives in a state who has yet to vote, I have to say she is right. My vote should count just as much as the people who voted in January.
If this contest was supposed to be over earlier, then why have primaries into June?
I am well aware that Obama may get the nomination, but he is not going to win my vote by taking away my voice.
emb
We all need to remember that this is not a national election, but a party primary process. It’s not about “democracy” or “everyone getting to vote” as it would be if, say, the US had some sort of two-tier run-off system for selecting a president. If party rules said three people in North Dakota get to pick the nominee, then that’d be that–no one has a “right” to vote in a primary.
That said, even though I think Hillary is being a spoiler and causing potential disaster in November, in a race this close it’s preposterous for any candidate to be required to pull out before the process is complete: neither Hillary nor Barack will have adequate votes going into the convention, so every delegate counts in trying to maneuver into a position of bargaining strength. People need to quit telling Hillary to be a good girl and sit down.
hisurfer
We really do need to change the system – at least make the primary season shorter. Because while I want Hillary to go away (and I used to support her), she has an excellent point. Everyone should be allowed to vote, not just the ones who voted first.
Matt
More lies from the Clinton campaign. It’s an insult to the intelligence of the American people. Obama already said, “My attitude is that Senator Clinton can run as long as she wants. She is a fierce and formidable opponent, and she obviously believes she would make the best nominee and the best president.”
The reason people are calling on her to drop out of the race, though, is because the only way she can get the nomination now is by overturning the will of the people (unlike Clinton, math does not lie).
rickroberts
Matt, St. Barack himself gets to graciously allow Sen Clinton to continue while his minions run a get-out campaign. How noble of him. Classic. Also, at the end of this process, if Clinton has more of the popular vote, which is, afterall, more democratic than caucuses where Barack has won, will you continue to trumpet that math does not lie? I wonder.
Matt
Actually, if, at the end of the race, Senator Clinton did manage to win more of the popular vote, I would say that she then had a legitimate claim to the nomination. She probably wouldn’t get my vote, though.
Further, if you’re going to raise the specter of caucuses not being democratic, it should be noted that Obama is still ahead, in delegates and the popular vote, even when only primary results are considered (and, in fact, even if you include Florida).
It should also be noted that last week Clinton told the Daily News, “And also remember that pledged delegates in most states are not pledged. You know, there is no requirement that anybody vote for anybody. They’re just like superdelegates.” Here, Clinton has blatantly stated her disregard for the democratic results of both caucuses AND primaries, completely shattering her claim of championing the people’s vote, and revealing once again that she will happily lie and steal the nomination if we give her the chance.
And I won’t even get started on the continual lies about her involvement in Bosnia, made even more despicable by the way the Clintons allowed the genocide to continue long after they could have acted to stop it.
Afroguapo
+1 Matt. He did in fact state this distancing himself from those who’ve requested her immediate concession but yes Rickroberts, there could be behind the scenes shenanigans we’re not aware of in which he has uttered otherwise. Although she talks about the good of the party and purported disenfranchisement (and yes, I’d be disgruntled too not having my vote count), I do feel like she feels this is somehow owed to her, her birthright at it were and her payback for staying in her seemingly fake marriage for political gain and having this neophyte (in her view) take something from her. I just don’t want McCain to win, there’s too much at stake for the future of this country (Read the article in the Nation guys). I don’t understand these people who talk about voting for McCain if their candidate doesn’t get the nomination or not voting. I’ll be voting for HRC or BHO. And RickRoberts, “St. Barack” and “Sheik Obama” “I bet they’ll get all in a tizzy just for me calling him boy (loose translation)” is just so shrill like you can’t even hide your antipathy for him even if you tried. What exactly has he done to you??
rickroberts
Matt, the rules do, in fact, say that ALL delegates may vote however they wish, though some states require delegates to honor their pledge on the first ballot. We have a convention to select a nominee. Let’s select one.
rickroberts
Afro, I think I called him Saint to display my disgust more for his supporters than for the candidate himself. It seems he can do no wrong. You are mostly reasonable, but there are some BO supporters who truly frighten me.
rickroberts
Matt, I won’t disagree that Hill really stepped in it on that Bosnia thing. Politicians – ALL of them – do some mighty goofy things sometimes.
rickroberts
Oh, Afro, I forgot to answer your question about what BO has done to me. The answer is Donnie McClurkin and that 20-year association with that Rev. Wright. I can’t get over it. I just can’t. Sorry. The Wright thing hurts so much that I would vote McCain just to keep BO out of the office.
Bitch Republic
I’d be pissed if I lived in Oregon or NC and was unable to cast my vote in the primaries because Barack’s people were pressuring Hillary to quit.
If anyone should quit for the good of the party, it’s Obama. He is a very weak candidate.
Bitch Republic
Matt, Obama is such a liar. He says one thing to sound high-minded and then he gets every single one of his surrogates to say the opposite. He can claim he doesn’t want Hillary to quit now, but his campaign is pressuring her to do so.
l
Right now, for every dollar McCain is getting donated, Clinton is getting 3 and Obama is getting 5. What a waste that this 8 to 1 advantage is not being put into the general election. In fact, what a waste this drawn out process is.
rickroberts
Timely article on electability. Put aside whether the Wright is a personal problem for you.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/ickes_confirms_hes_been_pushin.php
Afroguapo
Rick, I am not attacking you but I think what you’re possibly getting at is a previous post of yours where you felt personally attacked as the “white devil” when you went visited a church in the rural south which I believe you’re from. I am not accustomed to the firebrand style of Rev. Wright as that is not my experience with religion in growing up; but his 9/11 speech from my research was based on the history of American imperialism and conquest and atrocities we’ve committed against others. In fact, he was quoting a white man’s prior speech, Ambassador Peck on why we’re hated by some — note Bush has only exacerbated this. Moreover, I think we need to look at this from the perspective of a 70 year old black man who was a Marine and served his country despite all the inequities people of his generation endured. Whiteness conveyed privilege and still does to some degree. This guy, ARMY VET, summed it up exceedingly well I thought. I implore each of you to read it as it expresses the refrain Noah, others and I have reiterated time and time again, that we try to step into someone else’s shoes — the very premise of BHO’s speech. I find it interesting that people can so easily revere Lincoln, Jefferson and others when they’ve actually said abhorrent things and held some reprehensible views and dismiss these things/views as “well that was the prevailing view at the time so cut them some slack” but not see how a 70 year old black man might be vehemently disappointed with his country and have legitimate grievances (EVEN Mike Huckabee understood this). I also think that BHO, like HRO, is ultimately a politician and when he joined this church, he was a half-white/half-AFRICAN (not black American) Harvard educated lawyer (i.e., an outsider) and needed to gain his bona fides in his new found community as a community organizer. Here is the piece.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/in-defense-of-reverend-wright.php
Regarding McClurkin, I feel that again was politics as usual in reaching the black church demographic rather than actually sanctioning McClurkin’s views or perhaps even knowing them for certain. As I said before, and not meaning to offend the loyal churchgoers, but I feel like some black people put too much emphasis on church/god/heaven rather than what is happening in the here and now — but they are contingent of the voting bloc that BHO wants to secure as it’s about mass appeal. HRC knows this too well as she’s been photographed with Jeremiah Wright at the White House no less if my memory serves me correctly. McCain has that reverend guy (is it Hagee) who said something disparaging about Catholics, and Reagan had Falwell. I cannot put too much stock in the McClurkin incident/fiasco as it boils down to politics.
http://jackandjillpolitics.blogspot.com/2007/10/we-fall-down-donnie-mcclurkin-and.html
And regarding McClurkin, perhaps this is putting it too crassly, but with all the fur coats, jewelry, manicured eyebrows, etc., I am not buying his seemingly spurious claims of being “delivered” or “cured” as his outward appearance suggests that the blow jobs and rim jobs are running mighty plentiful. Anyway, that’s just my two cents.
I am not an Obamaphile and certainly not a Hillary hater. Those of you who have read my posts, know I’ve expressed my support for Kucinich. But I also know at the end, he’s not viable because he doesn’t perform the same political gamesmanship that HRO and BHO are both adroit in exercising.
todd
This bitch didn’t utter a peep in Florida in 2000 or Ohio in 2004 – now she wants ALL the votes counted? Whatever, Hillary, you’re a charlatan like all the others.
rickroberts
Todd, how about you not call Hillary and other women bitches so as not to encourage others from calling Barack and Michelle niggers. Cool? Got it? Thanks.
Whites Against Racism
Now that rickroberts has fully blossomed and shown his true colors by calling Obama a nigger, we can all few him (and ultimately ignore him) for the person he is.
He is either a racist or an agent provocateur. In any respect, he serves no purpose other than to divide people who should be firmly committed to progressive equal rights.
I don’t spend all day trolling on this site as rickroberts does, but I will call him (and others like him) out and expose him when I see him. I encourage all of you to do the same. He certainly is not worth wasting any time in meaningful, constructive dialogue.
rickroberts
W.A.R., rickroberts called someone a nigger? Please show me where and when. As I recall, the only offensive thing I have read today is someone calling Senator Clinton a bitch. Did I misread that?
Mr C
Well you did say here sweetie:
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No. 20 • rickroberts
Todd, how about you not call Hillary and other women bitches so as not to encourage others from calling Barack and Michelle niggers. Cool?
Got it? Thanks.
UNQUOTE..Even though you did say not to encourage people to say it!
You did say that!
It’s really amazing to me how you and others just can’t let go of Jeremiah Wright and Donnie McClurkin. It’s just hard for me to believe that RACE isn’t playing a part. Say what you want but I believe it is! If this was a white candidate with these issues you’d be mad but yet still be supportive. Now this Black man comes with these minor problems and it’s an EARTHQUAKE!
Voting for McCain will only HURT you as well as us and that’s really of ill repute!
Hopefully alot others will wake up and see what is for the good of the party and get behind whomever it may be. Because James Dobson MY ASS. They will make a deal with McCain to put MORE CONSERVATIVE Judges on that court and if they do.
IT’S CURTAINS FOR THE GAYS!!!! as well as DADT,DOMA and your MOMMA & DADDY for that case as well….LOL But seriously
I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU THINK BEFORE YOU REACT
AND THAT GOES TO THE CLINTON AND THE OBAMA SUPPORTERS!
THIS SHIT IS NOT A GAME IT IS LIFE AS WELL AS DEATH TO MANY LGBTQ!
WAKE UP AND DON’T BE SELFISH!
rickroberts
Mr C, thank you for quoting me correctly. Any halfwit can read the quote and understand that I did not call anyone a nigger. I was merely suggesting to Todd that calling Senator Clinton (or any woman for that matter) a bitch could create a climate where others might then find it cool to call Michelle and Barack niggers.
Afroguapo
Mmmm, that seems somewhat disingenuous in that your referencing Todd, you could have just as easily said “Todd, you really shouldn’t use derogatory sexist names for Hillary when you wouldn’t use racial epithets for Barack” and besides you’ve managed to type the word three times already which does seem deliberately provocative (W.A.R.’s comment) like a child whose learned a bad word and wants to continuously use it. Keep it classy girls, keep it classy. Sullivan was on news this weekend, makes a good point here:
SULLIVAN: I’m sorry, I’ve forgotten my second point. But I do think that’s important. And I don’t think Wright is Farrakhan. And I don’t think Obama, in any conceivable way, represents anything but racial inclusion and integration. And anybody that looks at any part of his career and can be in any doubt about that is beyond me.
The reason he went to that church, clearly, if you read his biography, is he wanted to understand what it was to be black in America. He didn’t understand. He’s a very polyglot person. He grew up in Hawaii, he had some time in Indonesia.
rickroberts
Afroguapo, “you’re” vs. “your” — tsk, tsk.
Afroguapo
No Rick, the “your referencing” is in fact intentional as it’s possessive (e.g., “in your reference to Todd”). Perhaps somewhat colloquial, but deliberate nonetheless. okay, moving on from the grammar lesson, it still doesn’t negate though that you have deep-seated issues when it comes to blacks which I and others have pointed out previously. While some white men on here may make ignorant comments from time to time that have the patina of being racist or obnoxious at the very least, none of them has gone so far as to use the N word once under the guise of illustrating an example. You avowedly profess to be some staunch feminist (go figure on that one) but show no qualms in showing your true colors when it comes to matters of race. You know it, I know it, others (W.A.R. etc.) know it. Own it gurl as the truth will set you free. Do some self-introspection on your feelings about Barack, black people in general and you will grow, and in the process, hopefully, to be a better person.
rickroberts
Afro, on the grammar, you would be correct had you not inserted that little word “that” in front of “your”. Having “that” there makes your use of “your” incorrect. You can be wrong on oh so many things large and small. I only you needle you about it as payback, and how sweet it is.
Now to the important matter of my “deep-seated issues” with Blacks: I really don’t have issues with Blacks — as long as they act right.
Now lighten up, and when you’re in Atlanta, please turn down the sub-woofer. Those things really annoy me.
(By the way, smarty, “self-introspection” is redundant.)
Mr C
Excuse me RickRoberts what the hell do you mean by this: (Now to the important matter of my “deep-seated issues†with Blacks: I really don’t have issues with Blacks — as long as they act right.)
Really, What in Gods name do you mean by that???
Do all whites act right?
I’m loving this as true colors are being revealed amongst the gays.
rickroberts
I’m baiting you, Mr C. Stop biting, for Pete’s sake.
Afroguapo
MrC there’s a bee in her bonnet because she knows she’s been called out in public and everyone else can see it plain as day in reading her various posts — hence all the vitriol as it clearly struck a chord. To profess to be an enlightened gay man and high-minded feminist and then be taken to task for being also an undercover race-baiting Arkansan exposes what a fraud she clearly is. It just proves what another poster said, that gays can be just as racist and ignorant as the heteros which is no real big news now that I’ve seen it first hand on this site for the last 3 weeks here, predominantly from the likes of Ms. Roberts and perhaps 2 others.