A Texas artist has flipped the masculine identity of âmacho porn starsâ upside down in a series of paintings on display at Austinâs Commune boutique this weekend.
San Francisco native and recent Austin transplant Nathan Rapport tells Accidental Bear about his relationship with the original paintings, explaining the full drag face as a âturn offâ above anything else:
âIâm doing a series of paintings of vintage ultra macho porn stars, with shaved faces in full drag face. Itâs interesting how without the face, the paintings are very erotic and suddenly in face itâs a strange turn off. Just a fun exercise but Iâm excited to be showing so quickly in my new city.â
Would you go home with a macho man in drag face?
Update: Rapport has provided some additional information about his work on our Facebook page:
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As a drag performer in San Francisco, I was often made very aware of the power feminine transformation has over our sexual boundaries and comfort zones as gay men. The joke has always been that a boy must be prepared to sacrifice his sex life in order to work in this specific creative medium. And to a certain degree, this can be true.Â
These paintings serve (as much for me as for you) as an exercise in looking at our positive and negative sexual responses to something as simple as makeup. And perhaps what this means on a broader scope. When staring at an image ripe with standard âmasculineâ sexual triggers, why am I suddenly not as turned on when the âhunkâ has a face on? And why, when I cover his face with my thumb am I back to being comfortably aroused? Is it as simple as âmasculine is good, feminine is bad?â Perhaps. Perhaps not. However, looking at why we react this way feels very healthy to me. Recognizing that a great deal of misogyney [sic] exists among gay men seems very important as we continue to carve out our cultural identity. Our base sexual triggers and responses, though arguably socially influenced, are deeply engrained. However, acknowledging our gut sexual reactions and asking âwhy?â might not be the worst thing.
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Check out more of Nathan Rapportâs work on Tumblr. You can purchase all of the original prints above on Etsy.
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watching1
Just do that with a bunch of Tom of Finland stuff.
Dxley
This is what @Litper is always talking about. People seem to think that gay = woman.
doug105
@litper: Even though I find a lot of drag annoying, whining over it like this is more so, and only serves to show your utter lack of humor.
Masc Pride
@erikwm: This is another example of what I meant when I said “The feminization of the gay community is in full swing.”
Little-Kiwi
@Masc Pride: and your comment is another example of what happens to a cowardly gay boy when he never grows the balls to stand up to his piece of shit father.
there is no “feminization” of the gay community, and the only gay men who think there is are insecure homosexuals who, as i said, never learned how to stand up to their shitty fathers.
stay closeted for life. you’re not missed.
Dxley
Well, someone is obsessed with people’s fathers.
Little-Kiwi
@Dxley: fun fact – behind every cowardly internet troll who complains about “effeminacy” is the father who resented having a gay son.
that’s You, and it’s all the other testicle-deprived wimps who troll this site, and others, from a place of cowardly anonymity venting impotently about perceived “effeminacy”
every time you losers rant about it all you’r really doing is telling everyone how much your dad was ashamed to have a gay son. and none of you will ever show yourselves – simply put, you’re not man enough.
Masc Pride (masc4masc)
@Dxley: IKR most people get over the âmy dad is better than your dadâ thing by age 7 or so. I think he knows his father is crying on the inside every time he has to act like heâs proud of that crazy little c*nt. Itâs projection mixed with a bit of self-affirmation. Heâs clearly trying to convince himself that daddy is proud. Isnât it amazing what the mind can do?!
Little-Kiwi
http://littlekiwilovesbauhaus.blogspot.ca/2011/04/fathers-message.html
alas, my true shoots your false outta the sky đ
@Masc Pride (masc4masc):
keep lying on the internet. anonymous. like the coward your dad always felt you were.
Dxley
@ Masc Pride: I know, right? He always gets pissy whenever someone makes these comments and thinks his Daddy is the most proud father to ever walk the earth. What’s there to be proud of? Your fruity, limp-wristed, flamboyant, hypersensitive, ass-hurt son that you try your utmost best to stomach trying to play hero on the Internet? I think not!
Matter of fact, some of us have great men as fathers. Intelligent, hardworking, successful men as fathers. Fathers who’ve shown us nothing but love and support, and did their best (and succeeded) in getting us quality formal education and continued supporting us after learning about our sexuality.
He just needs to relearn and accept the fact that he’s a man and start acting like it. It’s his own shitty father who harbours feelings of resentment and disgust because he failed so horribly at raising a man, but he just thinks he has to shut his eyes tightly and swallow that bitter pill, as a gesture of accepting that he failed as a father.
People should stop thinking that gay = woman. If you’re a gay man who’s so inclined to behaving like a woman, I say get a sex change. That way you’ll be a straight “woman” without inflicting much embarrassment upon the real men in the gay community.
Little-Kiwi
@Dxley: prove it đ
Little-Kiwi
@Dxley: embarrassment? like how your dad was embarrassed to call you his son? prove he wasn’t. let’s you and he together đ
haah! won’t happen. cuz he hates your fucking gay ass đ
Dxley
@ Little-Kiwi: What the fruit? I don’t have to prove anything to you or anyone, for that matter. You’ll just have to take my word for, or not. Either way, it makes no difference and I’ll still have my cup of coffee. Why would my dad hate me? He raised a man — a gay man — but a MAN nonetheless, and not a womanoid. Unlike someone else’s father đ
vive
There have always been fem gay guys and there always will be. I suspect many fem guys also read these articles and I can’t imagine that they will feel welcome reading some of these douchey comments. You don’t have to be into it, but please guys, see if you can find the kindness and acceptance in yourself to stop being bullies.
LubbockGayMale
Back Pre-HIV, I had a lover (not partner) who did drag shows for humor. He was one of the butchier, masculine hunks you’d want to get down and dirty with, but as a drag character, I was NEVER turned on by the costume, act, or character. Weird, but true. I figured it was an ACT, not the person, and he got paid well for his act.
DarkZephyr
It’s fun watching Masc4Masc talk to himself. Lol. Talk about crazy. But it become quite obvious that Masc & Dxley are one and the same. Probably Litper or litter or whatever his name is too.
@vive: and that’s what it boils down to. They are hating on what they don’t sexually prefer, plain and simple. Masc is the biggest homophobe on here. He calls fellow gay men “fruit” and “f*ggot”. Conveniently forgetting that any straight homophobe would call HIM those things without hesitation .
Lefty
“We’re all born naked. The rest is drag.”
Lvng1tor
Well at least it wan’t one more crap a$$ Disney Princess’ as blah blah blah thing….Dude found a really cheap and low artistic value (talent) with a quick sale due to original subject matter…in your face value…..now he’s trying to give it more meaning. It’s actually pretty smart. Old formula…gender F@$& sells.
nathandetroit
Statement from the artist.
“As a drag performer in San Francisco, I was often made very aware of the power feminine transformation has over our sexual boundaries and comfort zones as gay men. The joke has always been that a boy must be prepared to sacrifice his sex life in order to work in this specific creative medium. And to a certain degree, this can be true.
These paintings serve (as much for me as for you) as an exercise in
looking at our positive and negative sexual responses to something as simple as makeup. And perhaps what this means on a broader scope. When staring at an image ripe with standard âmasculineâ sexual triggers, why am I suddenly not as turned on when the âhunkâ has a face on? And why, when I cover his face with my thumb am I back to being comfortably aroused? Is it as simple as âmasculine is good, feminine is bad?â Perhaps. Perhaps not. However, looking
at why we react this way feels very healthy to me. Recognizing
that a great deal of misogyney exists among gay men seems very
important as we continue to carve out our cultural identity. Our base
sexual triggers and responses, though arguably socially influenced, are deeply engrained. However, acknowledging our gut sexual reactions and asking ‘why?’ might not be the worst thing.”
nathandetroit
The typo is a bit mortifying, but I hope this better explains the point. Thanks for all the support.
jmmartin
I have never seen so many transgender women in transition. And to think that the cosmetic surgeons are so advanced now in technique they can add adam’s apples and chest hair while not completely transforming the facial characteristics so that the porno stars are almost intersexual. Of course, a hormone shot should do the trick, kind of like using the troubleshooting feature of Mozilla Firefox to its original settings to get rid of annoying pop-ups and tool bars you did not want. I hear there is a hot business these days in testosterone as it is. Maybe in the future they and invent a pill that makes you the opposite sex for about 24 hours. A few pols may change their “pro-life” position once they see the hypocrisy of their misogynist ways.
litper
@nathandetroit: Why you don’t attack straight people with your promotion of effeminacy? Why do you force it only on gay men?
nathandetroit
I’m not sure how the words “attack” and “shove” are at all appropriate. I’m simply making paintings in hopes of challenging some behaviors I notice within my community. And based on the reaction they ignited within some of you, I’d say it’s working. There is clearly work to be done.
Some of you are very misguided. I don’t make it my business to engage with Internet trolls, so I have one word…Stonewall.
Without a queen throwing that first brick we wouldn’t have major gay blogs like this to spew our self hatred and attack our own brothers and sisters. Hmmmmm.
Signing off. Troll away.
DarkZephyr
@nathandetroit: *THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE*
Litter, Dxley and Masc Pride aka Masc4Masc are wretched homophobes who happen (so they or HE claim)to be gay, but Masc uses words like “Fruit”, “Fairy” and “F*ggot” to describe his less masculine brothers. Its REVOLTING. You are absolutely correct that we have a big problem in our community. Its becoming more and more of an epidemic, really. I didn’t notice how bad it was til fairly recently and it makes me sick to my stomach. There literally are some self identified “Masc” men who would love nothing more than for all feminine gay men cease to exist. They actually blame homophobia and “fems”. These guys refuse to acknowledge that they have feminine gay men to thank for Stonewall. Masc wants to emulate the homophobic knuckle draggers that he seems to enjoy surrounding himself with, I guess. Well he succeeded.
inbama
@nathandetroit:
“Itâs interesting how without the face, the paintings are very erotic and suddenly in [drag] face itâs a strange turn off…”
I’m surprised the harpies haven’t shown up in full force to denounce you as transphobic.
They sure will in Advocate!
Saint Law
@litper: We get it – you’re effeminate. Aint nothing wrong with that. You just need to learn to love yourself.
Saint Law
Dicksley, Litperv, Mascara Pride: All these broken bitches shrieking away in post after post after post about how masculine they are!
You’ll convince us before you’ll convince yourself, pussies. And you’ll never convince yourself.
DarkZephyr
@Saint Law: Ha ha ha, Mascara Pride.
Dxley
@ Saint Law: Ha ha ha ha ha. Those are some pretty sharp claws! See? You called us “pussies” because they’re something no one wants to have and anyone who has one is considered weak and not worthy of respect. In other words, there’s no greater insult on earth than BEING a woman. The best way to insult a man is to call him a woman. Also, Little-Kiwi said “… simply put, youâre not man enough.”, and again YOU show to us that a man is better off as a man, NOT as a woman.
Jonathonz
Dear Queerty, please consider getting rid of the Comments section below articles on your website or at least enforce your comment policy.. They always devolve to mean-spirited name-calling and that’s the last thing your audience needs to be doing to each other right now. This comments section is a case in point. Yuck!
Vartan X.
In order to be a ‘true’ member of the gay community, one must fully embrace the stereotypical image of an overly effeminate gay man. Anything short of that will get you labeled as “self-hating, KKK, Nazi, Republican, right-wing, Christian, redneck, bigoted, neo-Nazi straight-wannabe”. Am I correct?
Masc Pride (masc4masc)
@DarkZephyr: Dxley, Litper and myself are all the same account…yet you refer to us as “they” LOL. What I find revolting is you telling lies to try and prove your false claims as true. “Bitter little fruit” was an OBVIOUS play on Kiwi’s s/n. Show me where I called him or any other Queerty user a faggot. And don’t weasel out this time. You made the claim, so back it up. Do a search and post the link. Or don’t, and show everyone what a melodramatic liar you are.
@Dxley: Saint Law is almost as obsessed with me as Zephyr/Kiwi. I believe a lot of fems are misogynists. Jealous of what they wish they were.
@Vartan X.: Correct. They always try to play victim and make it seem like everyone hates them because they’re fem. Most guys actually just steer clear of fems because of all the bitchiness and melodrama.
vive
@Masc Pride, so why DO you post under multiple names (masc4masc, Dxley, Litper, Jason, etc.), huh? You need therapy, dude, and trolling public forums having imaginary conversations with yourself isn’t it.
Masc Pride (masc4masc)
@vive: Is the PrEP destroying your brain cells or are you just illiterate? masc4masc is my account. I simply switched my s/n to Masc Pride. All you have to do is go to Edit Profile and change your nickname. It’s really easy. Dxley, Litper and whomever else you’re referring to aren’t me. Throwing out baseless claims you have no way to prove isn’t it either, buddy.
DarkZephyr
@Dxley: Actually I think he used the “P” word and such with you because he knows what homophobic misogynists you are and was being ironic. Looks like that flew over your head completely.
@Masc Pride (masc4masc): Your nasty homophobia, misogyny, transphobia and now clearly racism (comparing black women to “ogresses” like Whoopi Goldberg) speak for themselves, even if I am wrong about the “f*ggot” word, which I will concede is a possibility. However you DO call gay men “fruit” you use female pronouns for them, you call them “gender confused” if they are feminine or gender-non-comforming, you suggest that Queerty members that you dislike overdose on pills and long before I or Vive ever suggested you had multiple accounts (which I truly believe that you do), you were accusing Kiwi of the very same thing. You are a hypocrite and a truly rotten human being and the growing number of bigoted posts that you make is making this more and more obvious to everyone here. You Sir, are a troll. Plain and simple. You can call me “jealous”, but I am just someone who loathes your nasty bigotry. If you see that as “jealousy” so be it. I guess that means any time you make a negative remark about a guy you perceive as “fem”, you are “jealous” of him.
Little-Kiwi
@DarkZephyr: indeed. and truly, he proves what i say to be 100% correct – he was raised by a shitty anti-gay misogynist – and cannot fathom that a man would love his gay son even if his son embodied any of the things deemed “stereotypically gay”
he’s a troll, a liar, a coward, a wimp – and a textbook self-hating gay man, crippled by internalized homophobia – all stemming from never growing the balls needed to stand up to his piece of shit family. it’s sad. but his cowardly life is to be pitied.
Little-Kiwi
@nathandetroit: well said, brother!
i”ve said it before, and i’ll say it again, behind every Anonymous Internet Troll who denigrates perceived “effeminacy” is the anti-gay father who didn’t love or respect his gay son. and this site’s worthless coward of a troll proves it. every single day.
Little-Kiwi
@Masc Pride (masc4masc): speaking of “back it up” – show yourself. oh wait! you can’t ! it’ll embarrass your daddy even further đ
Masc Pride (masc4masc)
@DarkZephyr: Nope! I said post a link to where I called Kiwi or any other Queerty user a faggot. I knew you would weasel out. You know I never did it. You’re exaggerating things for the usual melodramatic effect of which you’re so fond, and your failure to post a link just proves it. I said Whoopi Goldberg looks like an ogress. I didn’t say all black women look like ogresses. Big difference. Dishonesty is obviously your nature, so let’s just avoid each other. It’s ALWAYS you that starts with me. If you can leave me alone (and this includes bashing me to other members as well lol), I’ll leave you alone too. Deal?
Wonder why Little-C*nt tags EVERYTHING you say? Hmmm….
Little-Kiwi
@Masc Pride (masc4masc):
speaking of weaselling out – why don’t you have the balls to show yourself? i mean, i know why. we all do. you’re a textbook internet coward – anonymity is your only refuge from reality.
your failure to man up and stop being an anonymous wimp proves me right. you are the coward your dad always knew you to be. and you’ll never prove me wrong.
as long as you’re on here spouting your learned prejudices, the rest of us will be here to remind you that no matter how much you denigrate perceived “effeminacy” – you’ll always be a crushing disappointment to your family.
here, “Masc Pride” (HA!) – i wrote an article about you:
http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/dad-says-youre-fag-hesaid/
you have my pity. i’m sorry your dad didn’t love you.
Masc Pride (masc4masc)
@DarkZephyr: I have a daughter and an ex-wife I’m still very close to for the sake of co-parenting. I know I’ve NEVER said anything to disparage women. So Challenge #2: Post a link to the misogyny you’re referring to, or prove yet again what a dishonest and manipulative person you truly are.
Little-Kiwi
@Masc Pride (masc4masc): HAHAH! of course you do. didn’t have the balls to come out, woulda upset daddy, so you had to ruin some woman’s life first , eh? đ
“link” to the misogyny? it’s littered through all your comments. your comments denigrating perceived “effeminacy” are inherently misogynistic. clearly you didn’t learn what ‘misogyny’ was when you were too busy trying to convince your worthless shit father that you loved eating pussy.
seriously, wimp – so challenge: show yourself. you won’t. you know you’re an ugly coward, and you will be until the day you die.
Little-Kiwi
@nathandetroit: for you đ
http://littlekiwilovesbauhaus.blogspot.ca/2012/09/rough-trade-chic.html
Masc Pride (masc4masc)
Misogyny: hatred, dislike, or mistrust of WOMEN.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misogyny
Effeminate men are NOT women. Citing statements about fem men as misogyny is just flat out incorrect and a bit disturbing.
Dxley
Oh, brother! Are we still on about our fathers? This is getting old real quick!
@ DarkZephyr: He was trying to be ironic, you say? The only thing I picked up on was the fact that he was trying to sound offensive by calling us “pussies”, and that implies that anyone who has a pussy isn’t courageous nor deserving of respect. I’ll repeat that the best way to insult a man is to call him a woman. It’s not misogyny, but something we all know but choose to be politically correct and ignore.
A gay man is sexually attracted to men, but he’s still a MAN and not a woman. The very same women that you’re busy defending always say “what a waste” when a man comes out as gay, because they hate that they cannot sexually entice and control him. There’s no thing as misogyny; get the fuck over it.
Someone else is busy talking about growing balls while he’s trying to lose his by imitating women. I personally think that this queeny, fem gay man thing should stop being forced down our throats. That’s all.
Little-Kiwi
@Masc Pride (masc4masc): i get it. daddy browbeat you.
” I personally think that this queeny, fem gay man thing should stop being forced down our throats. Thatâs all.”
that “thing” doesn’t exist. i get it – your shitty father made fun of “those gays” and thus hated you. it’s nobody’s fault that your shitty dad doesn’t and didn’t love you.
“masc4Masc” – just pack it in. you know you’re a wimp, you know your family loathes you, and you’ll never have the balls to show yourself and stand up to be counted. and as long as you’re trolling on here,we’ll be here to point out that you’ll die in the closet you live your life in đ
Dxley
You know they’re mad when they end their little rants with ” đ “
Saint Law
@Dxley: You’ll always be an unconvincing copy of an unattainable original.
xx
Dxley
@ Saint Law : That’s cute!
xx
litper
@nathandetroit: no, without that Queen we wouldn’t have effeminacy and transsexuality forced on gay people everywhere. Gay rights =/= Queen rights.
litper
@DarkZephyr: It’s really funny to see all you fem queens scream after you forced your effeminacy on us for 40 years, there were the times when young gays didn’t even have a masculine role models – it was all queen this and trans that. And now when masculine gay men are saying Enough is Enough, you queens scream and attack anyone who doesn’t want to live under your trans dictate. It’s hilarious, when you even terrorized RuPaul for not being trans enough!
DarkZephyr
@Masc Pride (masc4masc): Ah so we aren’t leaving each other alone I take it? đ
I consider you misogynistic because you would have to consider women lowly in the first place to find what you perceive to be woman-like traits in men to be a bad thing. Period. Plenty of misogynists are close to women. That doesn’t cancel out their misogyny.
And by conceding that I could be wrong about the “F” word and you using it here at Queerty I “weaseled out of it”, did I? So conceding that one might be in error is now “weaseling out”. Gotcha.
As for supposedly “exaggerating”, since you respect link producing as proof, should I let your own words speak for themselves? I can do that, believe me.
DarkZephyr
@litper: I have told you before. You are dismissed, Troll.
litper
@DarkZephyr: why no transoid-womanoid on your pic? Why such perfectly masculine men? Why are you such mysogynist?
Lvng1tor
HOLY MOLEY….What if @DarkZephyr: and @Masc Pride (masc4masc): are the same person and they don’t know it…..dah dah daaahhh!
oh and @Little-Kiwi: is really cute
vive
@DarkZephyr, Little_Kiwi, He used to change them only when banned, but now the voices masc4masc hears in his head are coming out in multiple aliases in the same thread. Funny how he can’t keep himself from betraying the fact with the little slip-ups he makes.
What happened to the FLAG button, by the way, for abusive posts? Because Queerty editors are clearly asleep at the wheel.
Masc Pride (masc4masc)
@vive: Abusive posting? Like when you come into EVERY HIV-based topic and start up with your pro-PrEP agenda by proceeding to personally attack any guy that doesn’t wish to pop toxic pills just to bareback? I would consider that abusive posting. So yes, whatever happened to that FLAG button??
And LOL @ you thinking I was admitting to multiple accounts when I was really asking Zephyr why he would keep referring to one person as “they”. Try reading it again really slow. I do love how you and Zephyr don’t let silly things like comprehension stop you from going full bitch.
Cobalt Blue
The first pic that was placed near the text showing a guy ( LOL…) spreading his legs is really disgusting…Kinda monstrous. The others are ridiculous. Like ‘femme-clowns’.
Little-Kiwi
@litper: prove you’re not “fem” đ
so far, you’re one more anonymous closet case troll who doesn’t have the balls to show us all how “masculine” you want us to think you are. and you never will be able to do it. because you’re a wimp.
Little-Kiwi
@Lvng1tor: SMOOOOCH! thanks brother!
know why this “masc4masc” troll will never show himself? not only is he not “masc”, – he’s ugly as fuck.
DarkZephyr
@Lvng1tor: I would probably throw myself onto a grenade.
DarkZephyr
@vive: Its too bad Queerty seems to have moved away from banning trolls.
Dxley
It’s alright, it’s okay. We know all know that the masculine male form is very threatening both physically and sexually, which is why society is trying to feminize men (especially gay men) and gradually mutate them into women.
It’s funny how disagreeing with people will get you called a “troll” on the Internet. I think it’s laughable!
DarkZephyr
@Dxley: Being nasty on the internet will get you called a troll, Troll. You are ridiculously cruel to feminine gay men who usually cannot help how they are. And to what end? None of them want to sleep with you, so why are you so obsessed with it?
Little-Kiwi
@DarkZephyr: he doesn’t meet “feminine” gay men. he’s a perpetual closet case. guys like him have no lives, and lord knows they never actually have interactions with other gay men.
Dxley
You know what, I shouldn’t even dignify that by reacting to it. A MAN has a right to live his life however he wants without having to explain anything to anyone. A “perpetual closet case” is still a man, and more often than not, a masculine man and not a womanoid.
A man, to me, is a man. This “gender non-conforming” thing is just a step backwards and confuses a lot of people with common sense and decency. I have a career and do my own thing, so I definitely have a life and because I can afford it, I frequent bars just to check out the scenery and ogle some MEN and perhaps get a little playful and frisky without anything getting serious. I just don’t want a gay relationship anymore at this point in my life!
I just find it disturbing when a man emulates and imitates women but still talks about how other men should “man up” or “grow some balls”. It makes no sense to me!
Little-Kiwi
@Dxley: of course you find it disturbing. your piece of shit father, who was always ashamed to call you his son, taught you to feel that way. and you never grew the balls to stand up to him.
you know you’re unloved and ugly and that’s why you come here to anonymously, like a total wimp, vent your impotent fury on a message board.
you’re confused because you can’t imagine how anyone else could live life on their own terms, and be accepted and loved by friends and family, when no amount of Behaving Like Daddy Wanted resulted in him being any less ashamed of you.
you’re a textbook internet trolling coward. in every respect. anonymity is your refuge.
pressuredrop
@Dxley
We all should have the right to live however we want without explaining anything to anyone.
The problem is that you are saying some people shouldn’t live however they want.
In short: you are a hypocrite.
Glad we worked that out so quickly.
Dxley
I just wish you’d leave my father out of this. He’s not in control of my life — I am. Considering the fact that I’ve graduated college and can fend for myself without anyone’s extra hand, “standing up to him” should be quite easy because I obviously don’t need him anymore, but I don’t do that because he’s never shown anything but support and love to me and he’s never said anything remotely homophobic to me, or about gay people in general. My relationship with my father is very healthy, and not every gay man is broken by daddy issues as you always say.
This “anonymity” thing echoes throughout all your comments, and quite frankly, I think it’s getting a bit annoying. No one has to prove anything by divulging their identity to you; get used to it or get over it. When you were still in school, which toilets did you use? Do you know Grindr? Would you ever score a date on it being all that flamboyant and effeminate? I think most men love being men and I also find being a woman so insulting and demeaning in so many ways.
Again, stop being so obsessed with our fathers. It’s creepy!
Little-Kiwi
@Dxley: No, not every gay men is broken by daddy issues. gay men like you, however, are textbook examples of being broken by daddy issues.
prove it. you can’t. because you know i’m right.
score a date? check me out in instagram and see the men in my life đ
instagram.com/atticusbennett
i do rather well for myself đ you, obviously, never get any. no sex life, no love life, and your family was ashamed to call you their son. you’ll say i’m wrong, but you’ll never be able to prove it. because I’m right.
remember: if you died today, he wouldn’t’ shed a single tear.
vive
One has to ask why all these self-proclaimed butch commenters are so bitchy.
Little-Kiwi
@vive: anonymous boasts (re: lies) are all they have to distract themselves from reality.
it’s like the losers on reddit who can’t shut up about how “masculine” they are, but also cannot prove, in any way at all. that they actually *are*.
all they have are lies, typed onto screens. no lives. no truths. no proof.
vive
@Dxley, @litper, @masc4masc, all that anger is from smothering your inner fairy, guys. Let her out! It’s okay to twirl. Just do it! You’ll feel so much better.
DarkZephyr
@pressuredrop:*Thunderous Applause*
@Little-Kiwi: Damn, you’re sexy.
DarkZephyr
Its funny how we keep hearing from the likes of Masc, Litter and Dxley that “masc guys are what most gay men want”, but I don’t think I know of ANY so called “fem” gay guy who is dateless, and most that I know aren’t even single.
Sure you see a lot of that anti-“fem” stuff on dating sights and apps, but not EVERYONE on those is like that there are still at LEAST half who aren’t AND those are just apps and dating sites, they are not the entire gay male community.
Me, before I was engaged, I dated both “masculine” gay men and “feminine” gay men because I don’t give a crap what your speech patterns or physical mannerisms are as long as you are a great guy. I think a LOT more guys share my POV than those “three” claim is the case. I think they live in a fantasy world of their own making.
By the way, when I have occasionally taken some of those dudes who identify as “masc4masc” home in the past, the moment their undies dropped and they were on their backs with their legs in the air, or on all fours with their backs arched, their straight bros would NOT have considered them overly “masc”. That is not to say that I consider bottoming “fem” OR “masc”, I am versatile myself, but when it comes to self identified “masc” gay men, its all about perceptions of masculinity, especially heterosexual perceptions. And being on your back, moaning with a d**k up your %$$ or on your knees gagging with one down your throat is NOT usually perceived of as “masc” in the heterosexual world.
vive
@DarkZephyr, LOL, so true.
I can just imagine the gay characters in “Modern Family” must be making their heads explode.
Little-Kiwi
@DarkZephyr: none of these commenters are “masc” – they’re just sad cowardly boys with no balls.
kyler09
I think most of the comments here are from fanatic people who cant grasp that people have different believes and opinions.
Personally i think that everyone was a right to love and to like whatever they want, just be polite and friendly. Thats a message to ALL the previous commentators.
About the article, i think its a little confusing, i really don’t know if the artist is trying to say that effeminacy is bad or what?!
For me, i think that the idea that all gays are born the same and have to behave the same way is stupid, so debating if someone is more feminine or not is hogwash. Being gay is just one part of a persons identity and you cant generalize. if i say someone is straight, what you take from the is that that person like the opposite gender, but if i say someone’s gay, i dont understand why people immediately form an image of someone they dont even know.
DarkZephyr
@Little-Kiwi: I agree completely, which is why I tend to put the word in quotation marks or say “those who self identify as ‘masc'”. REAL masculine men aren’t such douches about it.
Little-Kiwi
@DarkZephyr:
the best way to tell if a guy is insecure about his own masculinity is when he starts putting limitations on the masculinity of others.
like the anonymous cowards who troll this site every day. they’re textbook Daddy Issues Wimps. not masc. not manly. not strong. just cowards.
Kangol
I don’t think the drag face is always a turnoff if the guy is hot. Kris, #2, is still kind of hot, sort of like Lafayette on True Blood.
DarkZephyr
@Little-Kiwi: Definitely true.
@Kangol: Yes, Lafayette is scrumptious.
Dxley
Isn’t anyone else tired of this? I know I am. Daddy issues this and that. Give it a rest already! So it seems we’re not allowed to have opinions because some people are going to get offended by every word we say.
litper
@Kangol: youâre a perverted bisexual, but please donât try to force your tr@##y fetish on gay men!
vive
@kyler09: “About the article, i think its a little confusing, i really donât know if the artist is trying to say that effeminacy is bad or what?!”
Exactly. Thanks for pointing it out. That bothered me too.
DarkZephyr
@kyler09: @vive: The artist himself posted here and explained himself. He was not sating that “effeminacy was bad”. You will see that true to form, Litter attacked him.
@Dxley: You may be sick of hearing about “Daddy issues” but we are all WAY more sick of hearing about how lowly you think effeminate gay men are and how much you despise Transgender people and your ridiculous conflation of the topic of effeminate gay men and transgenderism, which are two completely separate things entirely. Have you not yet noticed that you are among the most despised posters at Queerty.com? Its YOU that everyone is sick of Dxley. And maybe people WOULDN’T be offended by “every word you say” if “every word you say” wasn’t a condemnation of effeminate gay man or transgender people. When will YOU move on? When will YOU talk about something else?
DarkZephyr
@kyler09: @vive: Oops, meant to give you the name the artist used when he posted too. Look for posts by nathandetroit and you will see what the artist himself had to say. đ
vive
@DarkZephyr, @nathandetroit, thanks for the clarification.
DarkZephyr
@vive: YW! đ