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Interesting comparison.
If conditions there are like our part of the world in the 50s, then things are actually accelerated, since the step they are now taking – repealing sodomy laws – happened in the late 60s in Canada, and between the 60s and 2000 or so in the states.
Anyway you cut it, it is good that things are changing over there
@strumpetwindsock:
To compare future progress against a past event in a different part of the world is illogical. The 1250s were much more beneficial for euro gays than the 1950s.
Christ people are fucking stupid
@sufferthefools:
Some people are kind of touchy and rude, too.
Did you think for a moment that I might have been alluding to that very point?
@strumpetwindsock:
Yes, people are stupid. Right, strumpet? But you're talking to an artifact. Was it easier for euro gays in the 1250s, strumpet? Was it? Tell the truth now…
@TANK:
That wasn't my typing error actually
Well I don't know about 1250 (Montsegur fell in 1244) but when the Cathar faith was at it's apex in southern France in the centuries before that it may have not been such a bad place to be gay.
They certainly had women clergy, and they had no inquisition or strict dogma (except for their inner circle) like the Roman church.
@strumpetwindsock:
First hand info! Where's ken burns with the cameras? You are a "living" (I use the term loosely) piece of history, strumpet.
The 13th century had its ups and downs. The 14th century was just awful.