Beth Ditto and her Gossip girls did it real big at the ongoing Reading Festival. Ditto made headlines earlier this year when British music mag NME reported she blamed the size-zero in part on gay men.
Ditto recently sat down with The Advocate to clear the air, saying NME misquoted her: only fashion industry fags that help perpetuate thin is in images. Ditto also emphasizes her love for feminist action:
I’m a radical feminist, and first and foremost, I’m a woman. That’s something I’m perceived as by the whole world, and I get the options handed down to me that are handed down because I’m a woman.
Ain’t that the truth!
gaycurmudgeon
If those “options” include cottage cheese thighs, I’m glad I’m a man.
EdWoody
There’s a huge difference between forcing people to be skinny and allowing them to be hugely obese. Neither one is healthy.
bluesoup
The Gossip is brilliant, as is Beth.
james_boston
Thank you EdWoody…there seems to be some kinda p.c. bullshit taking hold that seeks to make obesity “ok”. You can look like a whale if you want but it ain’t ok in terms of health. You will more likely than not have a terrible, sickly life then die an early death.
Someone please get this Beth girl a mumu to cover up those thighs. **shudder**
SeaFlood
YAY BETH!!!
What she is saying does have merit — especially since, in this day and age, the “gay” in “gay men” does not expunge patriarchy or misogyny from their systems.
I don’t know about you, but I have always had girlfriends with thighs that look just like Beth Ditto’s and we celebrated her fabulousness — not attempt to co-script and aid her into the kind of body hatred hoisted upon them by systems that keep them feeling repressed, oppressed and depressed.
afrolito
No one is fabulous who looks like a beached whale. So sick of the pc brigade trying to shove their fat agenda down peoples throats.
Paul Raposo
“There’s a huge difference between forcing people to be skinny and allowing them to be hugely obese. Neither one is healthy.”
There’s a huge difference between forcing people to be straight and allowing them to be promiscuous sluts. Neither one is healthy.
“Thank you EdWoody…there seems to be some kinda p.c. bullshit taking hold that seeks to make obesity “ok”. You can look like a whale if you want but it ain’t ok in terms of health. You will more likely than not have a terrible, sickly life then die an early death. Someone please get this Beth girl a mumu to cover up those thighs. **shudder**”
There seems to be some kinda p.c. bullshit taking hold that seeks to make homosexuality “ok”. You can be gay if you want but it ain’t ok in terms of health. You will more likely than not have a terrible, sickly life then die an early death. Someone please get these gays a closet to cover up their activities. **shudder**
“No one is fabulous who looks like a beached whale. So sick of the pc brigade trying to shove their fat agenda down peoples throats.”
No one is fabulous who looks like a flaming queen. So sick of the pc brigade trying to shove their gay agenda down peoples throats.
james_boston
Awwww…poor Paul’s p.c. sensibilities have been insulted. Perhaps my link below from the World Heart Organization can educate you Paul so you don’t keep equating Homosexuality, which is a genetic trait that isn’t inherently dangerous to your health and well-being, to a disease, obesity, which is inherently so dangerous that it will take away your health, well-being and then eventually kill you. Learn something Paul…
“You are here: Life Challenges >> Obesity Help – Learn More! >> Effects Of Obesity
Effects of obesity – What are the dangers in being obese?
If you are overweight, it is important to understand the health effects of obesity. Obesity is associated with more than thirty medical conditions and scientific evidence has established a strong relationship with at least fifteen of those conditions.1
* Obesity is associated with the development of osteoarthritis of the hand, hip, back, and knees.
* Obesity increases the risk of breast cancer in men and women.
* It is strongly associated with cancer of the esophagus.
* Obese women have three to four times the risk of endometrial cancer than women with lower BMI. Obesity increases cardiovascular disease risk because of its effect on blood lipid levels. Obesity is a major risk factor for heart attack.
* Gallstones are common in overweight and obese persons.
* Obesity decreases the body’s resistance to harmful organisms.
* Obesity is the most common factor of nonalcoholic steatophepatitis, a major cause of liver disease.
These are just some examples of how obesity negatively affects the health of a
james_boston
The last line was supposed to read “These are just some examples of how obesity negatively affects the health of a person.”
Paul Raposo
“don’t keep equating Homosexuality, which is a genetic trait that isn’t inherently dangerous to your health and well-being, to a disease, obesity, which is inherently so dangerous that it will take away your health, well-being and then eventually kill you.”
Well, James, as far as I know, researchers did find a “fat gene,” yet that gay gene seems to be hiding. So perhaps obesity is genetic, while homosexuality is not.
As far as posting points about the various health aspects of people’s actions, homosexuals have a higher rate of substance abuse; suicide, Hodgkin’s disease; HIV/AIDS; other STD’s; mental disorders.
All the links demonstrating the above can be provided at your request.
james_boston
I can’t change the fact that I like dick (and pussy sometimes). I take precautions so I don’t get a disease from following my natural urges…having a dick in my mouth isn’t going to clog up my arteries and give me a heart attack. Sex is something that’s been around since Adam fucked Eve then he went and fucked his best friend Steve. Obesity is a new phenomena that’s purely the result of a rich, self-satisfied society that doesn’t want to stop stuffing it’s fat face with big macs. It’s not healthy Paul…you know it so stop being such a tool. You always defend the most ridiculous things.
Paul Raposo
I can’t change the fact that I gain weight far too easily. I take precautions so I don’t get a disease, or lose control of my weight…controlling what I put in my mouth isn’t going to clog up my arteries and give me a heart attack. Food is something that’s been around since Eve fed Adam an apple. Being “gay” is a new phenomena that’s purely the result of a rich, self-satisfied society that doesn’t want to stop fucking anything that moves–male, or female. It’s not healthy James…you know it so stop being such a tool. You always defend the most ridiculous things.
Paul Raposo
“You always defend the most ridiculous things.”
Perhaps. I’ve have defended you in the previous posts.
james_boston
“Perhaps. I’ve have defended you in the previous posts.”
Oh stop…you love me.
“I can’t change the fact that I gain weight far too easily.”
Bullshit to infinity! You can control what you eat…and if you can’t because you’re weak, then you can exercise the fat away and still eat garbage (jogging is great for tubbies…it gives you a high…a great endorphine rush so it may seem like torture at first, but you’ll be addicted to it fast like I am). I’m not sure I can jog the gay away but perhaps your brilliant mind has found a way.
And gay has be around forever…put the big mac down and read a book. Obesity is a new phenomena…you better realize that the Burger King’s and the Taco Bell’s are killing you.
Paul Raposo
“Oh stop…you love me.”
Oh yes, James! And since absence makes the heart grow fonder, why don’t you leave?
“Bullshit to infinity!”
Did you bother to read the entire post before busting onto your keyboard with a frothing, grinding ecstasy?
“You can control what you eat…and if you can’t because you’re weak,”
The same can be said about one’s sexual appetites, James. Humans need food, we don’t need cock or/and pussy.
“then you can exercise the fat away and still eat garbage (jogging is great for tubbies…it gives you a high…”
And you could exercise some self-control in your private life, James. After all, you do chase pants and skirts, which seems a tad piggish.
“a great endorphine rush so it may seem like torture at first, but you’ll be addicted to it fast like I am).”
Jogging is bad for your knees and hips, James. I have yet to meet a long time runner whose knees aren’t shot all to hell from the years of pounding. Your knees will suffer the same, but no doubt from another kneeling activity.
“I’m not sure I can jog the gay away but perhaps your brilliant mind has found a way.”
Well, ex-gays have used willpower to curb their sexual desires to become straight, so it is possible.
“And gay has be around forever…”
So has food.
“put the big mac down and read a book.”
Take the genitals out of your mouth and do the same.
“Obesity is a new phenomena…”
So Reuben was painting by numbers and not using actual models?
“you better realize that the Burger King’s and the Taco Bell’s are killing you.”
So is your promiscuity. Wanna bet you get an STD before I get a heart attack?
mulletkitty
It’s telling that the majority of the comments here refuse to engage with the content of the Advocate article that Queerty so fabulously thought might be of interest to readers. As if the only thing we can think to say about the kickass and queerpositive Beth Ditto is to analyze her thighs. Read the article, gym bunnys. Don’t worry: she loves you, too. There’s more to say about Beth Ditto’s interview than obesity debates.
james_boston
“So is your promiscuity. Wanna bet you get an STD before I get a heart attack?”
I’ll take that bet Chubby McChub.
Paul Raposo
“I’ll take that bet Chubby McChub.”
Why, Slutty McSlut? Do you already have an STD?
I just realized something; why have you assumed I’m fat because I’m defending fat people? It’s sorta like when anti-gay people accuse straight people of secretly being gay when they defend LGBTQ’s.
james_boston
Because you made this statement McFatty…
“I can’t change the fact that I gain weight far too easily.â€
I have no STD’s but I’m guessing your thighs resemble Beth Ditto’s. No judgement. Really. It’s your life…wreck it all you want. But don’t feed the rest of us your garbage that it’s healthy to resemble a 500 lb. gorilla. Medical science just doesn’t agree with you tubby.
james_boston
By the way, I really like the moniker of Slutty McSlut that you gave me…I am half Irish so McSlut is perfect. I’ll have to legally change it…
Paul Raposo
“Because you made this statement McFatty…”
You do realize that was a continuation of the style in my original reply, right?
“I have no STD’s”
That you know of.
“but I’m guessing your thighs resemble Beth Ditto’s.”
Nope. But we do have matching vagina’s.
“No judgement.”
What? Your name should be Justice Sandra Day
O’Slutnor your so judgmental, heavy on the mental.
“Really. It’s your life…wreck it all you want.”
Hmm…Could he possibly be getting the point, finally?
“But don’t feed the rest of us your garbage that it’s healthy to resemble a 500 lb. gorilla. Medical science just doesn’t agree with you tubby.”
But don’t feed the rest of us your garbage that it’s healthy to be a promiscuous bisexual. Medical science just doesn’t agree with you, slut.
Paul Raposo
“By the way, I really like the moniker of Slutty McSlut that you gave me…I am half Irish so McSlut is perfect. I’ll have to legally change it…”
You’re putting me into a coma, Clause Von Slutlow.
james_boston
Apparently I’ve been forcing you to respond…sorry. I forgot the power I had over chunky dudes named Paul. And damn right I’m judgmental. It’s human nature. Judgment keeps you alive…only p.c. numbnuts who don’t understand the world are non-judgmental. For instance, I judge George Bush to be an incompetent buffoon…by your standards, I’m being politically incorrect by doing so. Now get off the computer and do what you really want to do; having a go at the 50 pound chocolate cake in your fridge. That will wake you from your coma, Baron Von Fatass.
Now I’m off to catch some STD’s…
Paul Raposo
“Apparently I’ve been forcing you to respond…sorry.”
No. You have been forcing me to test beyond it’s normal limits, my ability to remain awake in the face of unprecedented boredom.
“I forgot the power I had over chunky dudes named Paul.”
Dudes? Ok, Slutatt Earp.
“And damn right I’m judgmental.”
No shit.
“It’s human nature.”
Have they found the judgmental gene?
“Judgment keeps you alive…”
In your case it keeps you feeling superior in your own mind, to those clearly superior.
“only p.c. numbnuts who don’t understand the world are non-judgmental.”
And paranoid schizophrenics.
“For instance, I judge George Bush to be an incompetent buffoon…”
Funny, he has nothing but nice things to say about you. Wait…I guess he is a buffoon.
“by your standards, I’m being politically incorrect by doing so.”
No actually, it’s quite PC to trash talk the government in general and Bush in particular.
“Now get off the computer and do what you really want to do; having a go at the 50 pound chocolate cake in your fridge. That will wake you from your coma, Baron Von Fatass.”
Now get off the computer and do what you really want to do; having a go at the leather sling and the giant lubed fist waiting at Ramrods. That will wake you from your coma, Count Slutula.
“Now I’m off to catch some STD’s…”
How many more can you possibly catch?
hisurfer
Back to the OP – and the excellent interview in the Advocate – I find it strange too that gay men aren’t stronger allies of feminists. Once upon a time I think we were. Sometimes I think that, the more rights we earned, the easier it became to turn our backs on other struggles.
Paul Raposo
“I find it strange too that gay men aren’t stronger allies of feminists. Once upon a time I think we were.”
I blame the fallout on feminists like Camille Paglia. She believes vagina’s should be put on a pedestal and the idea that there is a group of people out there–gay men–who aren’t interested in vagina’s in general and hers in particular drives to mad. She constantly attacks gay men and that seemed to become the norm for many feminists.
hisurfer
You sure you have the right person? I find Camille Paglia intellectually lazy, but she’s generally been very homo-friendly. And, for that matter, virulently anti mainstream feminism.
hephaestion
Comments about “beached whales” and “flaming queens” are all hate-based. We need to rise above that. People should be respected WHOEVER they are, whatever SIZE they are, and whether or not we would wish to look like them. Much of the talk about obesity is propaganda, too. Many fat people are extremely healthy. You have heard too many lies from the exercise industry which makes money making people hate their bodies.
Paul Raposo
“You sure you have the right person?”
Positive.
As an example, when the film, “White Squall” came out, she used a scene where the boys are on shore leave and one of them is apparently getting busy with a local girl. A friend was in trouble and he left the girl to go help. She went into a harangue about how gay men would never leave an easy lay to help friends because all we care about is sex, not friendship. The article is somewhere on Salon, but I haven’t been able to find it.
Next, she has numerous articles saying the LGBTQ community should leave the anti-gay religious types alone, but they can attack us because it is part of their religion to do so and they are constitutionally protected to attack us. Yet, apparently, there is no such constitutional protection granting us the right to fight them and their hate. Essentially she has stated that if gay men weren’t so darn gay, the religionists would leave us alone. Bizarre.
“virulently anti mainstream feminism”
True. She believes her brand of feminism is the only type that should be practiced. Her brand supports STRAIGHT men helping women, but does not support feminism where GAY men help them, because gay men don’t sleep with women, therefore don’t have a right to step into the debate. However, lesbians are welcome to her brand of feminism because lesbians do sleep with women. They just must be lipstick lesbians, though.
Paul Raposo
“Comments about ‘beached whales’ and ‘flaming queens’ are all hate-based.”
Exactly. That was the point I wanted to make. It’s easy to ridicule what you are not and I wanted the gay men making those ignorant comments to see what it’s like when you turn the tables.
“Much of the talk about obesity is propaganda, too. Many fat people are extremely healthy.”
Quite true. Just as the great majority of gay men are healthy, happy people.
“You have heard too many lies from the exercise industry which makes money making people hate their bodies.”
Correct. How can people take care of their body, if they hate it so much? Learn to love it and they will be able to change.
james_boston
“You have heard too many lies from the exercise industry which makes money making people hate their bodies.”
Chunky (like Tyra Banks chunky) may not be unhealthy…obese is never healthy. Never, ever…everyone is bending over backwards to be so fucking sensitive, you don’t even realize you’re helping people like Beth Ditto commit slow, painful suicide.
And to Count Chunk-ula (Paul’s Christian name), I just read what you wrote about having a vagina. Were you born a female or do you just mean you’re a total pussy? I’m leaning towards the latter…
Paul Raposo
“I find Camille Paglia intellectually lazy”
Very true. She did an interview with a gay journalist and the silly cow didn’t even remember parts of her own book and denied making statements that were printed right before her in black and white. The rest of the interview was filled with, “Uhh’s” and “Umm’s” and half finished answers. Her and Tammy Bruce should get together and spawn the anti-Christ.
Paul Raposo
“And to Count Chunk-ula (Paul’s Christian name),”
Whatever, Baron Slutenstein.
“Were you born a female or do you just mean you’re a total pussy?”
Pussies are bad? You don’t seem to mind dipping you wick into them. Fatphobic and a misogynist to boot.
“I’m leaning towards the latter…”
Funny, I though you leaned both ways.
james_boston
I do dip my dick into both…just not chunky one’s like yours. At least if you’re a female, I can understand why you’re so upset over this subject…being overly emotional and all. I just realized I knew you from Mollygood by googling your name…you’re a lot funnier there. And funny how you don’t like it when gay and bi men speak their minds…unless said gay men are right-wing assholes like Matt Sanchez. I found quotes from you on his website where you seem supportive of that asshole, a man actively working against people like you while being gay himself, yet here you can’t handle someone not being p.c. Interesting…perhaps it’s the female hormones you’re taking.
Paul Raposo
“I do dip my dick into both…”
You must spend a fortune getting all those people drunk enough to acquiesced because I can’t imagine anyone doing you sober–except for Helen Keller, perhaps.
“just not chunky one’s like yours.”
I’m sure your hand is quite lithe as well.
“At least if you’re a female, I can understand why you’re so upset over this subject…being overly emotional and all.”
Misogyny is an ugly thing. And on you, doubly so, Slutback Of Notre Dame.
“I just realized I knew you from Mollygood by googling your name…you’re a lot funnier there.”
What, you’re stalking me now? Didn’t I tell you off on Mollygood? I cannot believe I would have let your douchebaggery go unanswered.
“And funny how you don’t like it when gay and bi men speak their minds…”
I just have a problem with gay and bi men who are airheads. You must need a refill by now, James, get someone to blow in your ear.
“unless said gay men are right-wing assholes like Matt Sanchez. I found quotes from you on his website where you seem supportive of that asshole,”
Hey, Slutward and Bernslut, nice digging. However, I’d suggest you search Queerty to see what I’ve written about Mr. Sanchez when it hasn’t been edited by Matt.
“a man actively working against people like you while being gay himself,”
Matt says he’s straight.
“yet here you can’t handle someone not being p.c. Interesting…”
Not really. As far as not being pc, by ridiculing fat people you are being pc, since it’s so un-pc to be supportive of fat people.
“perhaps it’s the female hormones you’re taking.”
Thanks for the armchair analysis, Dr. Ruth Slutheimer.
mulletkitty
I’m with highsurfer. This exchange is the perfect example of how a couple guys would rather whip it out and jockey for laughs than really think about what keeps many in the gay male community from allying with and supporting feminist goals. Feminism is not and cannot be owned by a single person or concept. How lazy to say you blame feminism on Camille Paglia (who is about as removed from feminist debates as one can get). That’s like saying I can’t support gay men because Jeff Gannon is a prick, or some other sort of ad hominem method of not thinking through your shit. At issue here: the immediate dismissal of Beth Ditto as an important pop icon and queer activist b/c she has fat thighs. Don’t be so lazy about feminism — get educated.
Paul Raposo
mulletkitty, where did I write that I don’t support feminism? hisurfer asked a question and I gave a response that I felt answered the situation, as I see it. I’d suggest you read my comments again and hopefully you will see what I was trying to do, especially with my original comment.
mulletkitty
I stand corrected! I was trying to shift the discussion focus from a private exchange b/w 2 people to the bigger issue about how we often can’t get past focusing on body size, but upon rereading your excessive posts, you are an ally here, so I take back my insinuation that you are picking on bethd! But to equate Camilla Paglia with feminism, or more precisely, to think of her a leading spokesperson for feminism — I think if anyone (gay or straight) dismisses feminism b/c of this one eccentric and publicity-seeking personality (Paglia), it just does the whole movement — in all its diversity, and in all its debates — a disservice. Plus Camille would probably dis the fatties.
Paul Raposo
I never claimed she was a leading spokesperson for feminism, I presented her and her writings as an example of why I believe gay men and feminism aren’t as allied as they once were. Secondly, I never dismissed feminism. And yes, Paglia does trash talk fat lesbians and diesel dykes. As I stated, she only seems to “tolerate” lipstick lesbians, or rather, lesbians who look like her.
Paul Raposo
I never claimed she was a leading spokesperson for feminism, I presented her and her writings as an example of why I believe gay men and feminism aren’t as allied as they once were. Secondly, I never dismissed feminism. And yes, Paglia does trash talk fat lesbians and diesel d!kes. As I stated, she only seems to “tolerate” lipstick lesbians, or rather, lesbians who look like her.
james_boston
“Not really. As far as not being pc, by ridiculing fat people you are being pc, since it’s so un-pc to be supportive of fat people.”
You’re like a little child Cunty McFat. All your arguments amount to “I’m rubber and you’re glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!” You obviously flunked out of kindergarten and never went back.
“You must spend a fortune getting all those people drunk enough to acquiesced because I can’t imagine anyone doing you sober–except for Helen Keller, perhaps.”
Nah Smelly McPussy…I get ’em cause I’m biracial, with a big uncut dick and great looks…the old fashioned way. I don’t have to pay transients to lick my pussy like you do.
“I’d suggest you search Queerty to see what I’ve written about Mr. Sanchez when it hasn’t been edited by Matt.”
The dog ate my homework! It wasn’t me, it was the
Black guy!! I swear there were weapons of mass distraction!!!
“Hey, Slutward and Bernslut….Dr. Ruth Slutheimer….Slutback Of Notre Dame.”
That’s one good thing about flunking out in Kindergarten…you’re good with the name calling (and funny; the only reason I waste my time with you). It’s good that you have a talent aside from stuffing your face.
Paul Raposo
“You’re like a little child Cunty McFat. All your arguments amount to ‘I’m rubber and you’re glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!’ You obviously flunked out of kindergarten and never went back.”
I prefer the IKYABWAI tactic in debate. Much more effective.
“Nah Smelly McPussy…”
Like a bad penny you keep coming back, Abraham Slutcoln.
“I get ‘em cause I’m biracial, with a big uncut dick and great looks…”
At least you have something in your favor to make up for your personalty. I suppose you might be interesting, if you don’t open your mouth. By the way, your comments are starting to read like a Craiglist ad. Perhaps Andrew can use this comment in the next installment, of “Trolling Tuesdays.”
“the old fashioned way. I don’t have to pay transients to lick my pussy like you do.”
So you have a pussy and an cock? Wow! Where do you live, in a carnival, Slutnum & Baily?
“The dog ate my homework! It wasn’t me, it was the Black guy!! I swear there were weapons of mass distraction!!!”
So, you have time to search me out on Mollygood and Matt Sanchez’s site, but you don’t have the wherewithal to do a search on Queerty?
“That’s one good thing about flunking out in Kindergarten…”
I thought I’d write in a style you could easily comprehend.
“you’re good with the name calling (and funny; the only reason I waste my time with you).”
You’re “wasting” your time here because you haven’t anything better to do. One would think that you’d be down by the docks waiting for the ships to come in, with a mattress tied to your back.
“It’s good that you have a talent aside from stuffing your face.”
Actually, I’m use to stuffing other people’s faces–among other body cavities.
Paul Raposo
Ok, for some fucking reason I can’t post my reply. This is the fourth time this has happened. If I wanted to put up with this kind of bullshit I would have stayed at Mollygood. At least their news and gossip isn’t three days late.
Paul Raposo
Congratulations, James, it seems TPTB have given you the last word.
Gregg
It is possible to be gay and not ever have sex at all. So the idea that “gay=diseased+unhealthy” is flatly wrong.
But it is not possible to be obese without being grossly overweight, disabled (fitting in seats, bending over, walking distances, running, etc), and generally unattractive to anyone who does not enjoy looking at cottage cheese flesh.
james_boston
“Ok, for some fucking reason I can’t post my reply. This is the fourth time this has happened. If I wanted to put up with this kind of bullshit I would have stayed at Mollygood. At least their news and gossip isn’t three days late.”
“Congratulations, James, it seems TPTB have given you the last word.”
The dog ate my homework! It wasn’t me, it was the
Black guy!! I swear there were weapons of mass distraction!!!
Maybe, Fatty O’Tool, Queerty is just bored with you, much like your tricks, pets, and family must be. It seems to me you went on endlessly, much like a very boring fuck.
“Slutnum & Baily?”
Good one, Smelly McBeaver.
“Abraham Slutcoln.”
Now you’re trying too hard, much like when you try and move your 500lb ass up a flight of stairs.
“You’re “wasting†your time here because you haven’t anything better to do. One would think that you’d be down by the docks waiting for the ships to come in, with a mattress tied to your back.”
I ain’t letting you have the last word. So unless you give up or Queerty ends this, this might go on for decades.