RuPaul’s Drag Race season 6 winner Bianca Del Rio has entered the “tranny discussion” in the most abrasive way possible, throwing former trans contestant Carmen Carrera under the bus so hard she’ll be feeling it for weeks.
Del Rio, a noted insult comic who often shades for shock value, had zero filter when addressing a crowd at The Manor in Fort Lauderdale last weekend. Her opinion on the “tranny discussion” is quite obvious:
“There’s all this madness about shit we can say and shit we can’t say, and I’m sure most of you saw on Twitter today that Ru was speaking her mind. And I think this is actual proof — I’m a man in a dress, and if it brings out straight people, black people, Asian people, then come and fucking celebrate. It’s not that fucking serious.
And let’s face it. We wouldn’t know who the fuck Carmen Carrera was if she didn’t fucking get on Drag Race. Maybe she should take what’s left of her dick and stick it in her mouth and shut the fuck up.”
Carrera’s constant disapproval of RuPaul and “harassment” of drag queens using the term “tranny” in gay culture has caused a number of trans activists to condemn her mission targeting the LGBT community, including performance artist Justin Vivian Bond and trans Vine star TS Madison.
RuPaul has been vocal on the subject as well, although Logo TV believes the dissenting opinion to be “anti-trans rhetoric.” Wonder what they’ll think of Del Rio’s comments?
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Polaro
Eh, who the heck knows what to call anyone anymore. The stupid part is when you attack the wrong people in an overly sensitive attempt to claim the spot light that gets me pissed. (Glaring at Carmen.)
Teeth
I know what to call people: Exactly what they ask me to call them! This isn’t a hard one- let’s refocus on our real issues.
jayj150
@Teeth: OK, then can Janet Mock stop referring to non transsexual women as “fish” and can all extremist transsexuals stop referring to my people as “Cis”. Thank you.
jayj150
@Teeth: And by the way, unlike Mock, Molloy and the like, Rupaul does not use the Tword to refer to transsexuals, he uses it to refer to his fellow transvestites.
Cam
I don’t remember anybody asking non-transgendered folks whether or not they like being called “Cis-Gendered”
But what I also notice is that the Trans community sure spends a lot of time attacking gays and the gay community and no time attacking actual bigots.
The gay community killed the ENDA bill that was not trans-inclusive. Would the trans community do the same with a Trans-rights bill that did not include gay rights?
Daveliam
I have to agree with the whole ‘cis-gendered’ thing. Outside of maybe two or three internet posts, I have never seen a person self-identify as ‘cis-gendered’. I definitely don’t self-identify that way, even it would be applied to me by some trans people. I would like to stop seeing that term being used.
Spike
And this is exactly why I question how it is that the T got into LBGT. I don’t recall the vote and I don’t recall signing on to whatever the fuck Carmen Carrera is telling me what I can and can’t say so as not to hurt her feelings.
Teeth
@jayj150: if i ever need to refer to either your identity or your sexuality, I will gladly defer to your choice. But STFU about what labels I use for myself and others. No one cares about your little whiny opinion. People like you are doing more to distract and wedge the good people that I care about.
jayj150
@Teeth: I won’t STFU; we non-transsexual people are not the ones trying to police what word everyone can or can’t say, it’s your fellow trans. I have every right to use the Tword to refer to a fellow gay man in drag; that doesn’t involve you, yet for some strange persecution complex you want to make it your problem. And again, no one asked us nontrans people if we were OK with the Cis word. Why aren’t you attacking Janet Mock for referring to nontrans women as animals?, or all of your fellow trans ‘activists’ for the constant, rampant homophobia?.
Teeth
@jayj150: @jayj150: LOL. Were on the SAME side on this one. I am FINE with the Tword– especially when it refers to my Tfriends and my favorite Tparty. (Tshack!).
DANBOY66
go in let have on that B*I*T*C*H. 🙂
tiger7985
Glad I’m not the only commentor to wonder why the T is in LGBT. Forgive my ignorance in not being educated when it comes to T, but if they transition aren’t they then either straight or gay depending on the gender of their partner? In any event if you don’t like the words other humans say, don’t fucking listen, or change the channel and don’t watch the very mother who gave you the platform to become a semi-reality talk show panelist. To think RuPaul is ill-intentioned in anything he does is to be misinformed.
michael mellor
Bianca Del Rio likes to play dress-ups to keep the straights entertained. He’s not entirely unlike a clown.
jayj150
@michael mellor: Bianca’s audience includes all kinds of people. Carrera’s ‘audience’ is a bunch of in-denial gay/bi men with a fetish.
Cam
@michael mellor:
As compared to Carmen who strips to keep the straights entertained?
Sorry but you picked the WRONG topic to try to attack Bianca on.
corvaspikenard
Wait, why do we give a damn about what some drag queen thinks of transgender rights?
Do we give a damn about what some old straight dude thinks of the word ‘faggot’?
corvaspikenard
And if you don’t like the word ‘cis’ or ‘cisgender’ then stop pathologising men and women by calling them ‘trans’ or ‘transgender’.
The word ‘cisgender’ was invented as a backlash to people saying that ‘normal’ was the counterpoint to ‘trans’.
AlexM
I love how drag queens are not backing off to the trans fringe.
Cam
@corvaspikenard: said… “And if you don’t like the word ‘cis’ or ‘cisgender’ then stop pathologising men and women by calling them ‘trans’ or ‘transgender’.
The word ‘cisgender’ was invented as a backlash to people saying that ‘normal’ was the counterpoint to ‘trans’.”
________________________
My My My, how funny, because you know, the entire defense of why Trans activists can attack Ru is that the group a word describes gets to determine the use of that word, and here you are ADMITTING that “Cis” was created by transfolk and imposed on everybody else. How hypocritical of you. How…..typical.
corvaspikenard
@AlexM: Yeah man, I bet you also love them conservative fundies not backing off to the gay fringe who object to words like ‘faggot’. Amirite?
Cam
@corvaspikenard:
I’m sorry, I wasn’t aware that the Transgendered community knew about the “Conservative Fundies”
You spend all of your time attacking the gay community and never the right wing bigots so I wasn’t aware that you realized those other folks existed.
corvaspikenard
@Cam: What are you even talking about? Most of the fight for trans rights has been against conservative fundies, like judges who won’t grant name changes, states that won’t allow ID changes, fundy docs who won’t prescribe hormones, fundy therapists trying to cure us…
Do you live under a rock?
Or do you just seek out articles like this to push your crazy-ass agenda that trans people hate gays (FYI, 90% of the trans men I know are gay).
Cam
@corvaspikenard:
No, actually what I notice is that the Trans comunity fringe, like you seem to spend all of your time attacking the gay community while other activists worry about the real fight. Name changes? Nice try, but it has always been legal to change your name. Perhaps if you spent more time actually looking at the real issues the Trans community has to deal with you wouldn’t make such an obvious mistake like that. In fact in nearly every state you can change a name by usage alone. Oooops, sorry didn’t mean to point out your lies.
As for not liking Trans people. See, this is why people like you are terrible for the community. If you look at my postings and many others on here, we are very supportive. But instead, people like you consistently use any excuse to attack, name call, and whine about how terrible the gay community is.
You are the one giving the Trans community a bad name.
jayj150
@corvaspikenard:
-Change names have always been legal.
– Tax-payers shouldn’t have to pay for your elective cosmetic treatments so you can feel validated.
– It is YOU PEOPLE who keep trying to push hormonal treatment on children to try to “cure them” from their gender non-conformity instead of accepting and celebrating them.
-The word ‘cisgender’, and for that matter, the word ‘transgender’ are both inventions of your own community.
– It is the trans community’s rampant homophobia and phony sensitivity that keep alienating everybody, allies or not.
Scott Johansen
Trans activists are officially HOMOPHOBIC and it’s time to finally have this conversation.
Carmen Carrera tweeted last year “I’M A TR-NNY” …JUST LAST YEAR this witch tweeted that and a screenshot of that tweet is being passed around social media. This isn’t about the word, this is a systematic ATTACK of trans community toward effeminate gay men (drag queens) who these trans folks think they are SO superior to.
And most trans activists are HEAVILY opposed to gay rights, notably same sex marriage.
Trans activists have misdirected angry. They puff their chest out toward gay men, but are DEAD SILENT about actual forms of hate targeting LGBT from heterosexual religious people
Blackceo
YASSS BIANCA!!! Slay her!!!
jayj150
@Scott Johansen: Transsexuals like Carrera and Mock resent gay men, and effeminate gay men in particular, because they have the courage to live as gender non-conforming, happy individuals without having to change a damn thing about themselves. Drag queens are the epitome of gender non-conformism and are therefore the center of their attacks. Everybody knows people like Carrera decide to transition out of internalized homophobia, just so they can be ‘cured’ and finally become a ‘straight woman’. We NEVER hear any of these activists attacking bigots from the Religious Right who are actively working to deny us rights. From going through the twitter posts of people like Carrera and Molloy, one would think it’s not homophobic straight men, but rather gay men in drag who beat transwomen to death. These trans extremists are every bit as homophobic as religious bigots, they’re another side on the same hateful coin: whereas conservative want to ‘cure’ us through ‘psycho therapy’, the trans crowd want to change effeminate men outside to ‘match their inside’. It has always baffled me how some people can not see the extremely evident homophobia behind that logic. Transgenderism is the ULTIMATE FORM OF GENDER CONFORMISM; they want to get effeminate people to conform, just like the right wants through their conversion camps. I am hopeful this nonsense will finally make gay and lesbian people open their eyes, and it looks like it’s finally happening.
Kangol
@Spike:
T got into the LGBTQ because trans people were at the forefront of fighting for lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans rights. They were, look it up. So trans people deserve respect and understanding. The “T” word is offensive, and people can stop using it, if they want to.
michael mellor
Male homosexuality shouldn’t be mixing with drag queens or transgenders. Drag queens are in it for the money. Transgenders are surgically altered. Male homosexuality should have nothing to do with either.
However, I do think that transgenders are more genuine than drag queens.
corvaspikenard
@jayj150: Ask any trans person if they would much rather just be a gay man or woman instead of being trans and the answer will almost universally be ‘yes’.
God, if I could have just been a gay dude my life would be infinitely easier. I’d be $40,000 richer for starters and I wouldn’t have lost my family and friends (they were gay friendly, but anti-trans).
Trans people don’t want gay folks to transition. Transition is awful, expensive and grueling. I strongly advocate avoiding transition if you don’t feel you have to do it.
We certainly don’t want gay men and women transitioning and being unhappy. That would be just as terrible.
Franco C.
Oh man. Listen, every single one of us will use a word that will offend someone else. It is not up to the ‘word police’ to govern any of this. It is up to us personally to emotionally deal with our own issues and resolve them within ourselves. This is a moot issue, but I suppose everyone has to have a cause to live for. To get up in the morning, we need something to feel passionately about. But, don’t hate people who don’t hate you.
ChgoReason
@Franco C.: There is a huge difference between transgender people and cross-dressers. For transgender folks it is not a cause to live up to but rather their life situations. The situations are not acts to be parsed but rather a part of their natural tendencies.
Faggot
FYI
You can write faggot on QUEERTY, but not tr@nny.
DarkZephyr
WOW. For this WHOLE controversy I have been defending Carmen and saying she wasn’t really against Ru or attacking Ru but what she recently posted on Twitter has changed the game. She can go to h*** for all I care now. She has joined Parker Molloy and Rebecca Juro on my very short list of Transwomen I don’t like. I am DONE with Carmen Carrera.
Daveliam
@michael mellor: I don’t think Bianca would argue this point with you. I’m pretty sure that she is fully aware of the fact that she is a grown man in a dress and wig and make up who puts on an act for entertainment.
But I’ll tell you one thing: I’ve seen both Bianca and Carmen live. Bianca is a riot. She’s funny and multifaceted as an entertainer. Carmen, literally, just lip synched and prowled around the audience taking money. No funny. No singing. No anything outside of “pretty” and “sexy”. I’d go back to see Bianca in a heart beat. I’ll only see Carmen if she happens to be somewhere that I’m already going.
@corvaspikenard: If you know that people don’t like to be identified as ‘cis-gendered’ then why would you insist on using that term? Doesn’t it seem a bit hypocritical given the larger context of this discussion?
Mars414
C’mon, people! One of the best things about being gay is all of the hilarious terms we come up with to describe people, places and things. Get over yourselves already!!!
Cam
I think my issue with this whole thing, is that while I am supportive of all trans issues, when Carrera comes out attacking RuPaul it seems self serving and hypocritical.
Even if she has a point, RuPaul had been using that term on the show for years before Carrera went on it. AND they have been using the term she-mail.
I think I just find it weird that now that Carrera had no problem with that when she was auditioning or on the show but now does. It isn’t as if Ru Changed AFTER she was on the show.
So while I completely get the community not wanting that word used, Carrera acting incensed just seems completely false.
It would be like a gay guy going to work for an anti-gay business working there for a while, then using the connections to get a really high paying job based on the time there, then leaving and turning around and talking about how terrible the business is as if they didn’t know that before they applied in the first place. So again, I get the Trans Community not liking the word, I just think that Carerra does not come off as sincere.
rextrek
Im with Bianca on this one……RuPaul has done so much to further the cause of Equality….and Only Us in the LGBTQ community have a RIGHT to Use whatever one of those words in any way we want…..just as African Americans can say the N-word….it’s thier word to say….the word ONLY hurts when it’s USED in Derogatory terms!
Queenmab
First off is not ok to use words that are offensive. This is show is watched by many, including a lot of heterosesxuals or cis people. (Yes both terms are the same thing so I don’t see why anyone would mind being called CIS). Yes Rupaul’s show is great, we all love it. But there is also a responsibility that comes with the exposure. I don’t see them using words that are derogatory at gay people like Fa**ot. The words that are offensive to the trans community are words used to address trans people not gay men, not drag queens. There needs to be respect for everyone in the LGBTQ community. The show won’t be any less if they refrain from using those words that are offensive to some. If we want respect as a whole, we need to respect ourselves within our community.
Queenmab
@Queenmab:
“correction” both terms are not the same. CIS is a person whose gender matches their gender identity. It’s an actual term, not slang or used in any derogatory way.
jayj150
@Queenmab: First off, you don’t get to decide which words can or cannot be used. Drag queen culture is transgressive and rebel in nature, if they start obsessing about not offending everybody that’d be the beginning of its end. Transsexuals as a community, and their ‘activists’ in particular are rampantly homophobic while simultaneously demanding respect and support from the gays and lesbians they hate so much. ‘Cis’is not a word, nor is it the same as ‘straight’, so really everything after you said that is rendered moot. You are just another entitled, condescending fool trying to demand respect without having the courtesy to offer it to others.
corvaspikenard
@jayj150: “Transsexuals as a community, and their ‘activists’ in particular are rampantly homophobic”
2/3rds of trans people are gay or bisexual. You’re talking rubbish.
And ‘cis’ is essentially the same as ‘hetero’.
Large Marge
Here’s the T.
Drop them from LGBT and just use LGB. They aren’t part of us.
jayj150
@corvaspikenard: You said: “And ‘cis’ is essentially the same as ‘hetero’.” . REALLY?????. Well that’s an interesting development. So what you’re saying is GAY MEN ARE NOT ‘cisgendered’. Would you then please tell your fellow trans to stop using it to refer to all of us gay/bi/lesbian folks who love and accept the bodies and sex we were born into???.
corvaspikenard
@jayj150:
‘Cis’ is to ‘trans’ as ‘homo’ is to ‘hetero’.
I apologise for not being clearer 🙂
corvaspikenard
@jayj150: Also trans people can be gay/bi/lesbian, just in case you weren’t aware 🙂
Jezzerat
“Cis” is a stupid, made-up, everyone-gets-a-trophy-so-they-won’t-get-their-feefees-hurt word, and I refuse to use it.
HappyGoLuckyBear
Brava Bianca. I agree with what you said perhaps I would have said it differently.
Most trans women I have met who fully transition step away from the Gy community. They have become women and truly look authentic. I have seen Carmen in person when she was performing in a drag show and posing with audience members who were willing to pay for the privilege of posing with her. She either had a bad night or put on her make up hastily, she looked more like a drag queen than the woman she claims to be.
Hang out with ducks? Looks like a duck? must be a duck !
Carmen has expressed the desire to be a wife and mother She needs to complete her transition and stop attacking Ru Paul, Being a word police and collecting gay dollars from the gay community only to turn around and attack the people that are supportive.
E T
I agree that the word cisgender is used poorly right now. I only see cisgender used as an insult when wielded against gay men (rude!). I never talk about straight trans people and slur them as hetero with straight privilege. Heck, I don’t even know if a trans person is straight or not, and it’s none of my business. Just like it’s none of theirs whether I identify as trans*, cisgender, queer, genderqueer, or nonbinary. Gay men aren’t all cisgender, and it’s a rude and invasive assumption. However! Willfully choosing to identify our gender helps trans* people. That’s what we have control over in this debate – we can be trans allies, and talk about our own gender identities, or we can be transphobic because some transgender activists said something we didn’t like on the internet. Ha.
E T
Also, I’m really getting tired of the LGBT community turning into the gay men and the trans women who don’t like each other community. We need a re-boot, where we encourage lesbians, trans men, bisexuals, and nonbinary gender identities to speak out. It’s an important part of our culture, diversity.
For those who say that we should just have LGB… What happens when a lesbian activist says something you don’t like? Will you punish them by saying it’s time for a GB community? And then when a bisexual person speaks their mind? Awful lonely world, burning all those bridges.
Jezzerat
@E T: The thing about bridges, is that they burn at both ends. Some trans people are apparently butthurt because the straights can’t tell the difference between transgender and gender-bending, and their solution is to turn around and attack the drag queens, because suddenly a man dressing as a woman and lip-synching to “Spinning the Divas” is a mortal insult to them, even though it has absolutely nothing to do with them. Never mind the fact that if it wasn’t for the fierce queens at Stonewall, there probably wouldn’t be an LGB for the Ts to piggyback upon.
BROOKECERDA
SORRY TO BREAK YOUR HEARTS GAYS,BUT BIANCA DEL RIO DOESN’T EXIST.ITS A CHARACTER JUST LIKE BOZO OR RUPAUL, BUT CARMEN, JANET , LAVERNE & MYSELF ARE WOMEN.AND IF ANY OF YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF A MAN, YOU WOULD KNOW HOW TO TREAT A WOMAN . THERE ARE NO DEGREES OF WOMANHOOD WOMEN ARE WOMEN, TRANSGENDER OR CISGENDER YOU BEING GAY DOES NOT GIVE YOU A PASS BE VULGAR WITH US. I DONT CARE HOW FEM YOU LOOK. BODIES ARE NOT GENDER.
RESPECT ALL WOMEN !!
STOP MAKING AN ASS OF YOUR TRANSPHOBIC SELVES .
Jezzerat
@BROOKECERDA: Real women know how to turn off their Caps Lock.
StudioTodd
@BROOKECERDA: How about you stop making an ass of your *insert-current-approved-descriptorof-the-day-here* self?
Everyone (with the odd exception of a loud idiot contingent of the trans community) already knows that Bianca Del Rio is a character. He is a man who puts on a costume so as to take on the appearance of a woman. In other words, a “transvestite”–sometimes expressed colloquially as “tr@nny.”
You have no right to demand that people stop using a word that is not in reference to you. Are you a transvestite? No? Then shut up already.
Notice the difference? Everyone else on the planet does!
Pax
Well said, StudioTodd, but this newfangled term trans just makes everything difficult. It sounds like a prefix, maybe because it is one, and therefore everyone wants to add a suffix on to it. Let’s tag a -Y on. Tr@nny! It just flows easier on the tongue and ear. Anyone born as one sex and plays around with gender rules is somewhere on the transgender spectrum: transvestite, transsexual, or as is the case for most of the hashtagtivists, transitioning. They may have just learned of transitioning yesterday and probably will never fully transition, but they have a lot to type and they will be read, damn it! Perhaps it’s just a learning phase about gender and, yes, sexuality. But for some reason this group insists that they are the heirs to the transgender tag and its truncated form, trans, and also feels that the diminutive term tr@nny was created to denigrate THEM. It wasn’t coined to vilify transvestites or transsexuals, rather it was used as an affectionate way of calling one another or referring to members of the T group.
The newcomers, those transitioning, quickly appropriated the the term transgender for themselves alone, thereby swiping it away from all others. Simultaneously they hijacked transgender and its related term of endearment, tr@nny. In doing so, they pronounced tr@anny theirs and designated it as a word to be censored.
Let us be clear: Anyone born as male and who uses make-up or female clothing in any way, is somewhere on the tr@nny spectrum. And, we love tr@nnies!
jsnsesse4
Just one question???
Didn’t Carmen Carrera used to be a big bully on her season in the show?? She used to bully Stacy Layne Matthews. And now she wants respect???
Please!!!
Faggot
@PAX Excellent understanding and explanation of the T movement(s) today, not just for the lay person but for all the tr@nnies involved and for all the wannbe Ts trying to get involved in this brouhaha.
@jsnsesse4 Bullies tend to pummel respect out of their lackeys. When we speak of BANNING, censorship comes up and so do Nazis and fascists who both used systematic bullying techniques to achieve their goals. Bossy tr@nnies are just bullies.
#banBossy
#banTr@nny
#banBossyTr@nnies