At first I wasn’t sure where Bill O’Reilly’s attack on Jennifer Aniston — who says women don’t need men to have a baby, just like her character in The Switch — was headed, but the Fox News host quickly cleared it up for me: Anything but a mother and a father raising a child is not an “optimal” situation, and we should do everything we can to avoid any alternatives. I just hate it when Bill goes and redefines what a traditional family is while waving around that limp wrist.
(Yes, that’s gay marriage supporter Margaret Hoover defending Jennifer.)
patrick
Who gives a fuck what Bill O’Reilly thinks. If you don’t watch Fox News then you don’t have to listen to this crap. It get exhausting arguing with people who watch this conservative shit.
reason
Whats with the uptick in the fox news clips, there most be a fox lover on Queerty’s staff. Bill O’Reilly hashing out the same lines over and over. I already know where he stands, he wrote a book about it. Whats with the old big breasted blonds with lipstick always bouncing all over Fox, what year are we in. Maddow is such a relief to see on the screen and the other women on MSNBC, does someone control their looks at fox? No individualism what so ever, they all have the housewife waiting for husband to get home look.
Queer Supremacist
I hate Jennifer Aniston. I hated her on that wretched sitcom that aired in The Cosby Show‘s old time slot. I hate her shitty little heteronormative “romantic” “comedies”. And I hate going to the supermarket and seeing her overrated mug on every tabloid and every other issue of People magazine (basically whenever an old movie star doesn’t die).
Not a huge O’Reilly fan either and I think he’s dead wrong here, but you couldn’t pay me to defend that semi-literate, untalented woman no matter what she says.
REVEMUPMAN
I actually agree with Bill here. To leave that idea in impressionable 12 year old girls minds. They would most likely strive to be single parents. Which is not a good look for society no matter how you put it. I mean women should already know you can be single parents. But should this be a major goal for the future of parenting? If so, don’t blame men for not staying around anymore. We might as well mate and leave like beasts.
idk about you, but a child would like to know his/her origins.
reason
@patrick: Right. Is Bill’s bright blue eyes arousing someone on the staff or something? I sincerely hope not. It scares the pants of those women to imagine not having a man around demanding supper and controlling their every move. I thought the woman’s movement went down decades ago. We have Oprah a billionaire that didn’t need a man controlling her and slapping her around to make it.
patrick
@reason: Seriously, what year is it? Didn’t we go through this same shit like 20 years ago with Murphy Brown/Dan Quayle? And I don’t care if you worship Jennifer Aniston or hate her guts, she has the right to do with her body and her life anything she wants to. This bullshit about needing 2 parents is right out of Ozzy and Harriet. P.S. If you’ve got time to read People magazine in the grocery store, then you’re in the wrong line or you have too much time on your hands……
reason
@REVEMUPMAN: I highly doubt a 12 year old is already plotting out how their going to have children. If they are there is something much more serious that has gone wrong, most college kids shudder at the mention of baby. At the age that you should be having kids if you can’t use your own brain power to make your own decisions then please don’t have a child.
Dawson
I just hate it that he feels that breeders can be better parents when they are the ones filling the orphanages and group homes with children they either couldn’t or didn’t bother to raise on their own. That right there tells you how fail the logic is. Gay people can’t adopt because they aren’t as good as straight people; although, it was the straight abusive people that got the kid in a place he needed adopted out of to begin with. Great logic…*GROANS*!
Dawson
@Queer Supremacist: Dude, you would spend much less time listing the people you don’t hate. We get it already…anything that isn’t Jewish and gay sucks in your book. You remind me of a certain famous porn star.
SierraTango
Am I the only person who thinks that the statistics that these Republicans get from who knows where are bullshit? And since when does any child NEED someone of the opposite sex to raise them properly, maybe I didn’t get that memo, last time I checked, my two 16 year old sons whom my husband and I adopted are doing pretty well considering the fact that they have two fathers.
Cam
Is single parenthood optimal for a young girl? No, it’s tough to do everything and advance your life not to mention paying for everything. So what should a young single mother do to make sure her child has more than enough attention, affection, money etc…
She needs to go out and get herself a girlfriend.
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Once again ideoligical rhetoric trumps the wellbeing of a child…….
The frightwing lunatics would prefer kids laungish in foster instutions waiting for a wonderful mommy and daddy in a white picket fantasy to scoop them up in their arms and take them home where a puppy and a kitten is already waiting for them!!! Except the reality is these poor kids simply age out of the system and a good percentage of them wind up in the streets selling their cocks for cash to survive…When there are thousands of Gays willing and waiting with good stable homes…………..ARRRUUUGGGGHHHHH
@reason: I am thinking you may missed this little mess Bill O got himself into……..(But kudos for your intuition :-p)
Bill O’Reilly, Producer Settle Harassment Suit
Fox Host Agrees to Drop Extortion Claim
By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 29, 2004; Page C01
Bill O’Reilly settled a sexual harassment lawsuit by his former producer last night, ending what he called a “brutal ordeal” without an apology.
The Fox News talk show host also agreed to drop his extortion suit against Andrea Mackris and her attorney, Benedict Morelli, according to a statement by O’Reilly’s lawyer. The deal likely involves payment of millions of dollars to Mackris, since the two sides were discussing an offer of well over $2 million when negotiations broke down, say sources close to O’Reilly. Both parties agreed to keep the details confidential, according to the statement.
Once again, a person with a whole lot of chinks in his armour is tossing shit against the Gays……….
If ya live in a glass house, its best not to toss stones from the front porch………..
Queer Supremacist
@Dawson: Only douchebreeders use the word “dude.”
I don’t hate atheists. I like them more than Christians and Muslims. I’m not even a very religious Jew. I’ve been to one service in five years (long story). I don’t even keep kosher. Of the three Abrahamic religions, Judaism is the one that has harassed gays the least. Even Orthodox Jews are making baby steps towards acceptance faster than fundamentalist Christians and radical Muslims. And you just used the term “breeder” in the post above your tiresome whining about my acknowledgment of the superiority of gays, so keep your crocodile tears for the hurt feelings of heteros (who, for the most part, have no feelings) to yourself. Keep in mind I have never said a bad thing about Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Shintoism, Taoism, or any religion other than Christianity and Islam. And do you know why? Because they aren’t the ones who are threatening us by passing laws to oppress us or killing us. And before you blame Judaism for the anti-gay bigotry of Christianity and Islam (which is usually the next step; some queens are sooooooo predictable), they could have disregarded Leviticus 20:13 (which they conveniently misinterpreted to begin with) at any time, the way Christians disregarded the laws of Kashrut. But they didn’t. In fact, the New Testament added additional anti-gay propaganda. Furthermore, there are some Biblical practices so barbaric that no Christian or Jewish or even Muslim sects still practice them. Religions change.
But back to the topic at hand, notice that I didn’t argue with anything that talentless breederette said. Remember that Cain and Abel had a mommy and a daddy, and look how they turned out!
There are many, many things I absolutely love. Things that make me happier than a pig in shit. But none of them are here. If I seem like a negative person all the time, it’s because I only come here to vent at the injustices against my people. This website isn’t exactly the hot spot for deep intellectual discussions or positive thinking. In fact, this is one of the most hateful websites I have ever seen. When in Rome and all that…
Queer Supremacist
@Cam: You win the thread.
DonnaLee
Over 70% of inmates in state juvenile detention centers serving long-term sentences were raised by single mothers
Over 70% of juvenile murderers and 60% of rapists come from single-mother homes
Nearly 70% of teenage births, dropouts, suicides, runaways, juvenile delinquents, and child murderers involve children raised by single mothers
Girls raised without fathers are more sexually promiscuous and more likely to end up divorced
Children need a father
Jennifer Aniston lives in fantasy land, where the maid does the work while the woman/wife sits and eats grapes
She’s clueless
pete
@DonnaLee: You’re full of shit.
Gary B.
An important distinction has to be made here. This is on Queerty as if it’s a gay/lesbian issue, but it’s not. Bill is talking more about single mothers or single parents, not families with two mothers or two fathers. I mean, I’m sure he’s against that, but that’s not the point of this piece.
Other than that, it’s the usual Bill O’Reilly bullshit, and him talking over his guests, as usual. Does he care about anyone who doesn’t agree with him on everything?
And does anyone who’s not already a fan of his views give a shit about anything he has to say? Every once in awhile he has to say something particularly idiotic to make the news, but this is a little minor nothing. Ho hum.
DonnaLee
@pete
Prove it
Shaun
@DonnaLee:
You are misusing statistics.
Just because there seems to be somewhat a correlation between single motherhood and all those negative things doesn’t mean single motherhood causes them.
The fact that there isn’t a full 100% correlation implies that there are multiple causes.
My conjecture is that the situations, that single mothers tend to find themselves more in [example: no help from relatives, poverty, relatively less attention given to children etc], cause those effects that lead up to increase in the probability of all those negative things happening to their children.
Single motherhood is not always accompanied by those situations, therefore those things are not caused by a lack of a father figure. Rather, they are caused by all the situations that single mothers tend to find themselves in, in America.
All a person needs to raise a child properly is 1. Money and 2. A consistent, effective and always available support system [composed any of a mother/s, family friends, relatives and/or a father/s].
ronn
@DonnaLee: Those statistics were made up by Ann Coulter and repeated often enough by the Fox News Corp., that it became “real”. Which it is not.
DonnaLee
“You are misusing statistics”
No, I am not
“Just because there seems to be somewhat a correlation between single motherhood and all those negative things doesn’t mean single motherhood causes them”
There doesn’t “seem” to be “somewhat” a correlation between single motherhood and those things listed; there’s simple concrete fact
“The fact that there isn’t a full 100% correlation implies that there are multiple causes”
This fact implies, or rather outright proves, that the MAJORITY….by far…of these situations are in fact hinging from single mother households and hence factually show a direct cause and effect loop
My conjecture is that the situations, that single mothers tend to find themselves more in [example: no help from relatives, poverty, relatively less attention given to children etc],
In fact single mothers have over 97% more gov aid benefits/programs available to them than single fathers to pay for the raising of their children
There’s no such thing as a single mother in the United States that does not have ample financial aid available to her at the simple request at a social services office including foodstamps WIC welfare low income housing at $50 for rent etc all courtesy of the hardworking taxpayers
“Single motherhood is not always accompanied by those situations, therefore those things are not caused by a lack of a father figure. Rather, they are caused by all the situations that single mothers tend to find themselves in, in America”
I see. So if you read a report that says 70% of wild fires are caused by arsonists, you’d reply and explain to me that, since not ALL fires are caused by arsonists, that “therefore it is not caused by the arsonists”
That’s funny 😀
Clearly, all of those situations within the percentages listed in fact include single mother households, therefore the vast majority of our criminal element is in fact caused by single mother households
As is the vast majority of unhappy depressed children in our society
“All a person needs to raise a child properly is 1. Money and 2. A consistent, effective and always available support system [composed any of a mother/s, family friends, relatives and/or a father/s]
3. A father
Interesting to me is that not once in the last 20 years have I seen a “single mother” advocate state that they likewise believe fathers can raise children by themselves, and certainly have never given the slightest hint that they would ever consider agreeing to actually use Hollywood movies to *encourage* fathers to be single fathers, while clearly stating that “mothers aren’t necessary”
Read more: http://www.queerty.com/bill-oreillys-war-on-jennifer-aniston-and-anyone-who-says-kids-dont-need-2-opposite-parents-20100811/comment-page-1/#comment-334535#ixzz0wKLkWLYN
DonnaLee
@ronn
No those statistics were not made up by Ann Coulter
Do your homework before you call facts lies 🙂
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@DonnaLee: I really like your sister’s pound cake……….you and your stats: not so much…
Bill Perdue
@Queer Supremacist: KapoQS is a sociopath whp hates nearly everybody.
Read on. Keep a barf bag handy.
“Author: Queer Supremacist
Comment:
Bill Perdue: I didn’t know Nazi Quislings were a race. But just keep wishing for your anti-semitic (sic, sick) fantasies to come true, and maybe someday they’ll happen.
Jadis, ron, L. Fuck Anyone who supports Palestinazis or Muslims is a racist, a Nazi, and, if they are Jewish and/or gay, an Uncle Tom. If you are pro-KKK, you cannot claim not to be racist. If you are pro Nazi or pro-Palestinazi (same fucking difference), you cannot claim not to be anti-semitic (sic, sick). If you are pro-Christian or pro-Muslim, you cannot claim not to be homophobic.
Christianity, Islam and Heterosexuality are the real Axis of Evil. And unless you are actively working to stop the Christo-Islamic Breeder menace, you are enablers.
No. 10 • Queer Supremacist
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There are no “Palestinians”. You’re nothing but an Arabist pig defending filthy genocidal homophobic Muslim camel fuckers, while perseverating (sic) (sick) discredited Stalinist tropes like a severely autistic parrot…
Take your pro-Muslim blood libel elsewhere or I will report your IP address to the FBI for treasonous activity.
The land of Israel belongs to the Jews, including the parts illegally occupied by goyische breeder terrorists. They have more of a right to exist than the United States…
(I consider all heterosexual sex acts rape)…
The only thing keeping Obama from becoming a dictator are the constitutional separation of powers…
On the other hand, Israel’s founding, in a location where there was a Jewish state before the convicted thief Jesus and the child rapist Muhammad were even born, was to protect Jews from further hate crimes from heretic goyim (all gentile religions are heretic… Israel needs … to do whatever it takes to protect innocent people from being brutally murdered by terrorist scum who worship convicted felons like Jesus and child molesters like Muhammad.
And the first equivocation of Zionism (that’s with a capital Z, for the rest of you Pan-Arabist scum) with racism by the United Nazis, I mean the United Nations…
Uganda has no right to sovereignty. Iran has no right to sovereignty. Iraq has no right to sovereignty. Afghanistan has no right to sovereignty. Jamaica has no right to sovereignty. Saudi Arabia has no right to sovereignty. Zimbabwe has no right to sovereignty. The Vatican has no right to sovereignty…. China has no right to sovereignty…
If the majority of the gays turn against Jews I will become celibate and actively homophobic.
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@Queer Supremacist: Who let you out of your sty, racist.
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@Queer Supremacist: You are everything that’s wrong with the world.
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@Queer Supremacist: Holy shit! You must be as exhausted from that tirade as I am from reading it! You, sir, are full of shit……
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@Queer Supremacist: You’re not getting paid by the word, I hope.
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By the way, your ad hominem attacks have done nothing to disprove everything I said.
Yes, I am a proud bigot. I am bigoted against the enemies of the Jews. I am bigoted against the enemies of the gay community. I am bigoted against people who hate me and want me dead for a “being crime.” I am bigoted against land robbers and genocidal maniacs. I am bigoted against people who worship thieves and child molesters.
Queerty is the Gay Stormfront. Heil Hitler and Heil Muhammad.
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Phil
“I see. So if you read a report that says 70% of wild fires are caused by arsonists, you’d reply and explain to me that, since not ALL fires are caused by arsonists, that “therefore it is not caused by the arsonists”
That is horribly misleading. Arsonists directly cause wild fires; single mothers do not commit “over 70% of juvenile murderers and 60% of rapists come from single-mother homes”. In fact, they -could- influence children to do so, so there’s a degree of separation going on. You realize, and I hate this phrase, that correlation does not necessarily imply causation, right? Well, let’s say that “70 of forest fires are caused by arsonry tools.”
Well, that explains that the fires COULD be caused by arsonists, but it could also be caused by improperly stored fuels. If you were to add a husband to all single mothers, I highly doubt that crime would go down, which is what you’re insinuating and is patently ignorant of statistics. Shove a cucumber up your vagina and get over yourself.
Shaun
@DonnaLee:
“No, I am not”
Yes you are. You assume that correlation implies causation. That is misuse of the meaning of statistics.
“There doesn’t “seem” to be “somewhat” a correlation between single motherhood and those things listed; there’s simple concrete fact”
I’m sorry, but I don’t consider your claims as ‘concrete fact’. You have not given any source for your claims, therefore I, nor anyone, are justified in believing your claims as true. Until you post a credible unbiased source for your claims I will continue to doubt them.
“This fact implies, or rather outright proves, that the MAJORITY….by far…of these situations are in fact hinging from single mother households and hence factually show a direct cause and effect loop”
No it doesn’t. It shows shows that single mother households tend to be more poor than two parent households. Poverty is a real direct factor in crime, not single mother households. Single mother households are an indirect factor that cause, to an extent and along with many other factors, poverty and poverty in turn causes the crime.
“In fact single mothers have over 97% more gov aid benefits/programs available to them than single fathers to pay for the raising of their children”
So? How is that relevant?
If I get what you’re trying to do, you are misusing statistics in another way now. To show that single mothers don’t tend to poverty you have to compare their income to that of two parent households, not to single father households.
“There’s no such thing as a single mother in the United States that does not have ample financial aid available to her at the simple request at a social services office including foodstamps WIC welfare low income housing at $50 for rent etc all courtesy of the hardworking taxpayers”
Okay, now tell me, how much financial aid do they get?
Is it enough for the children to live like a normal middle class kid? Anything less is relative poverty and leads to perceived or factual social alienation which in turn can lead to tendency towards crime.
“I see. So if you read a report that says 70% of wild fires are caused by arsonists, you’d reply and explain to me that, since not ALL fires are caused by arsonists, that “therefore it is not caused by the arsonists””
Good analogy. I’m going to use it in a slightly edited way.
What you are saying is that because there is a correlation between humans and 70% of wild fires, the humans’ humanity must have caused them to cause those 70 % of wild fires.
What you are doing is taking statistics at face value, thus misusing them, instead of analysing the statistic and deducing possible underlying factors.
The truth is that some humans/[single mother household children] tend to have social and psychological problems and some of these make them tend towards becoming arsonists/[criminals].
“That’s funny 😀
Clearly, all of those situations within the percentages listed in fact include single mother households, therefore the vast majority of our criminal element is in fact caused by single mother households”
No. The situations single mother households tend to find themselves in tend to cause that.
Single mother households work when there is an appropriate income and an adequate support system, the same as two parent households. Two parent households just tend to acquire this more given the social realities of your society.
“As is the vast majority of unhappy depressed children in our society”
Source?
“3. A father
Interesting to me is that not once in the last 20 years have I seen a “single mother” advocate state that they likewise believe fathers can raise children by themselves, and certainly have never given the slightest hint that they would ever consider agreeing to actually use Hollywood movies to *encourage* fathers to be single fathers, while clearly stating that “mothers aren’t necessary””
Um. I did mention fathers if you didn’t notice. The ‘and/or’ clearly implies that I believe that any of those I mentioned can replace any of the others.
Also, I can see where Jennifer Aniston is coming from. The class of people she socialises with are in fact able to raise children alone successfully, unlike less financially-able persons like most of us.
Let me clarify what I’m saying. I’m saying that single-mother-household children don’t tend towards crime just because of having no father figure, rather they tend towards crime because of other factors. Other factors that also apply to the rest of the purported 30% of all the statistics you mentioned.
Ric
How come nobody has assassinated this man yet? Oh right, cause the Republicans have all the crazies.
DonnaLee
@phil said: “Shove a cucumber up your vagina and get over yourself”
I see. Apparently telling women to shove things up their vagina is reflective of your high regard for women 😀
There is nothing misleading about what I stated. You’re twisting and turning and splitting hairs on every opportunity to blow a smokescreen and hide the facts
I didn’t state that it’s the mothers committing 70% of the whatnot, as you well know
Although while on the subject of what mothers are capable of; Let’s look at the U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services Child Maltreatment Reports over the last few years
Where, upon thorough examination of the statistics, numbers, charts, graphs and text one can see that factually almost 80% of child murders in the home are committed by…mothers
Over 70% of child abuse in the home is committed by…mothers
Less than 20% by fathers, and the rest a mix of mother/other and mother/father and father/other
So mothers are quite capable of doing evil in fact it’s quite common
That does NOT take away anything from the millions of GOOD women and mothers who do GOOD things in life and take care of their spouse and children if they have a family
Nonetheless the bad exist and the children suffer at their hands. Back on subject, fatherless children factually have a long history of representing the majority of prison inmates and depressed and troubled existences
Take it or leave it, it is what it is
Shaun
@DonnaLee: I made quite a long response to your response to my post but it’s ‘awaiting moderation’. I’m suspecting it will remain in that state for quite a long time. I posted it yesterday.
Anyway I’ll repeat what I said in fewer words.
I can’t accept what you call ‘concrete facts’ as concrete facts unless you give us your source and it turns out to be a respectable, credible one.
Lets examine your arsonists and wild fires analogy.
Arsonists represent people who happened to be raised in a single mother household. Wild fires represent the crimes they committed.
It’s a bad analogy. Not all people from single mother households end up becoming criminals, but all arsonists light or lit dangerous fires.
Let me clarify my position. The lack of a father does not of it’s own sake cause that purported tendency towards crime, rather it causes a tendency of increasing relative poverty, decreasing attention and affection the child receives and etc. These in turn cause the tendency towards crime.
These undesirable situations can be avoided if the single mother is well-off economically that she does not need to work, or if she has relatives and/or friends to help her with the upbringing.
Single motherhood in and of itself isn’t impossible or undesirable, rather the situations single mothers tend to find themselves in capitalist, commercial and individualistic societies like America are.
The women Jennifer Aniston socialises with are certainly capable of raising a child as single mothers, but of course most women in America are not. One should take her words in the context of her social circle.
Shaun
@DonnaLee: I made quite a long response to your response to my post but it’s ‘awaiting moderation’. I’m suspecting it will remain in that state for quite a long time. I posted it yesterday.
Anyway I’ll repeat what I said in fewer words.
I can’t accept what you call ‘concrete facts’ as concrete facts unless you give us your source and it turns out to be a respectable, credible one.
Lets examine your arsonists and wild fires analogy.
Arsonists represent people who happened to be raised in a single mother household. Wild fires represent the crimes they committed.
It’s a bad analogy. Not all people from single mother households end up becoming criminals, but all arsonists light or lit dangerous fires.
Let me clarify my position. The lack of a father does not of it’s own sake cause that purported tendency towards crime, rather it causes a tendency of increasing relative poverty, decreasing attention and affection the child receives and etc. These in turn cause the tendency towards crime.
These undesirable situations can be avoided if the single mother is well-off economically that she does not need to work, or if she has relatives and/or friends to help her with the upbringing.
Single motherhood in and of itself isn’t impossible or undesirable, rather the situations single mothers tend to find themselves in capitalist, commercial and individualistic societies like America are.
The women Jennifer Aniston socialises with are certainly capable of raising a child as single mothers, but of course most women in America are not. One should take her words only in the context of her social circle.