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Blowhards Use Obama’s Gram Visit To Raise Already Answered Questions


We like freedom of speech. Hell, we’ve made a living on it, but some right-wingers are clearly abusing their American right when it comes to Barack Obama’s short campaign break, which he’s using to visit his ill grandmother:

Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, and Jerome Corsi suggested or asserted that the true purpose of Sen. Barack Obama’s current trip to Hawaii is not to visit his ailing grandmother, as Obama claims, but rather to address rumors — widely debunked — that Obama has failed to produce a valid U.S. birth certificate. However, in addition to FactCheck.org and a Hawaiian Health Department official, even Corsi’s employer, the right-wing website WorldNetDaily, has reportedly determined that the birth certificate provided by the Obama campaign is authentic.

We’d say this trio should be ashamed of themselves, but they clearly don’t experience such an emotion.

By:           Andrew Belonksy
On:           Oct 24, 2008
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  • 217 Comments
    • Paula
      Paula

      So he’s going to visit his “typical white” grandmother – I thought she had died when he threw her under the bus this summer. Apparently the poor bastard survived.

      Frankly, who gives a fuck if this opportunistic bastard’s grandmother dies – how many votes does he think that’s worth?

      Oct 24, 2008 at 12:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • don
      don

      paula

      you are really sick. get some help!!!

      Oct 24, 2008 at 1:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ChicagoJimmy
      ChicagoJimmy

      I was about to say how sick it is that someone like Rush Limbaugh would say anything negative about someone visiting an ill relative. It says something about family values I guess. Imagine my surprise when I see that hate has found its way to this little queer site.

      Paula, I hope all your relatives are safe and healthy. I hope you never have to rush home to someone’s deathbed. I hope you never feel like Barack did when he was too late to visit his mother before she died.

      What does this all say about him as a politician? Not much. It does say he loves his family and is a pretty decent person, though. More than I can say about Paula, Rush, or their ilk.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 1:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      Idiots.

      That includes Paula the Troll who is about as effective (+ relevant) as Joe The Plumber.

      Obama didn’t “throw his grandma under the bus” as his haters keep saying, either. He was being honest about how even decent people can have certain flaws, prejudices, etc. If you couldn’t see that, you’re a lost cause.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 1:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • James
      James

      Where is Church-Lady? I thought for sure her and her beau Men-sur would be all over this?

      Oct 24, 2008 at 1:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • RM
      RM

      “Widely debunked” huh? Wrong! That “Certificate of Live Birth” (COLB) on the internet is a fake, and not even legally a “Birth Certificate”. Obama needs to show a vault copy of his BC.

      Another issue is that he gave up US citizenship when he became an Indonesian citizen. Indonesia doesn’t allow dual citizenship. At age 20, while back in the US, Obama traveled to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 1:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • CHURCHILL-Y
      CHURCHILL-Y

      Not only is he going to HI to ‘address’ his shady birth certificate but he’s also going to garner some publicity and sympathy for his grandma’s ailment. He’s nothing but a hypocritical opportunist, otherwise why did he had to wait till yesterday to head to Hawaii to see her if she was so gravely ill? And go without his wife and his two kids.

      Perhaps racist typical white grandma only can stand to see one black person at a time.

      No matter what I’m doing, if my grandmother is dying I won’t wait till I finish my work/ or I’m just one week away from the elections to go and see her. What a coincidence, isn’t it?

      He’s a pure unadulterated liar and like Paula wrote and opportunist.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 1:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alec
      Alec

      I don’t really “see” Obama- rushing to his grandmother’s side because she was at death’s door. He announced he was going 4 days ago- danced on the Ellen show vis satellite, kept on camapaigning- and then left for Hawaii.

      He is a user and a fraud.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 1:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Giovanni
      Giovanni

      “Where is Church-Lady”

      Must be laundry day. One can only imagine the effort it must take…

      Oct 24, 2008 at 1:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Giovanni
      Giovanni

      “Where is Church-Lady”

      Must be laundry day. One can only imagine the effort it must take…

      Oct 24, 2008 at 1:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • James
      James

      Oh Church-lady! I knew you wouldn’t disappoint! Thanks sweetie. Where is your man Men-sur? Off at work while you stay home?

      kisses to you and yours!

      Oct 24, 2008 at 1:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bradley Gee
      Bradley Gee

      Here is what we got from Obama: No health records,
      no school records (except those on the internet showing he attended school in Indonesia as a Islamic
      and Citizen of Indonesia) If you doubt that, contact Associated Press because their AP stamp is on the photo! No vaulted birth Certificate, and a whole list of Undesirables he has associated with!
      Plus He is an admitted HARD drug user.
      OK Liberals, follow your MORAL compass and watch this country turn to total crap.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 2:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      Obama doesn’t need to show you proof of anything, “RM”.

      Either vote for him or don’t + stfu with these pie-in-the-sky rumors.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 2:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      Wow, somebody opened the floodgates + let the delusional assholes pour out in droves.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 2:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dave
      Dave

      Oh, that’s rich. It was, after all, McCain who’s eligibility to run for president was called into question early on, given that article II of the U.S. Constitution limits eligibility to “natural-born” citizens of the United States. McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone — under U.S. control, but not part of the “United States” — in 1936. In 1937, Congress passed law providing that children of U.S. parents born in the Canal Zone after 1904 were U.S. citizens, but it did not provide that they would be treated as “natural-born” citizens. Obama decided not to make an issue of this, and actually co-sponsored a bill (introduced by a Democrate, Claire McCaskill) to treat all such persons as “natural-born.”

      Oct 24, 2008 at 2:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • St. Francis Of-a-sissy
      St. Francis Of-a-sissy

      From the sound of things, it looks like Barack will be riding in a black helicopter to Hawaii…

      Oct 24, 2008 at 3:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Vinman
      Vinman

      Have you ever noticed how the “right” always throws out allegations that they themselves have committed or are worried about? Like bullies calling others fags because they are closeted or not comfortable with their manhood.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 3:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Diogenes
      Diogenes

      First, let me say that I wish only the best for Mrs. Dunham, and pray that she will be OK.

      That said, as for Obama’s trip — if she were so ill, why wait 4 days to see her? (A cynic might suggest that for reference one should google the term “johnny fairplay”)

      Regarding Obama’s standing as a “natural born” citizen, inasmuch as the supposed “birth certificate” shown on Obama’s website is a valid document, issued by the state of Hawaii, I have no quarrel. It would appear to be so.

      Where I see that there is a problem with relying on this document is that is is simply a computer’s laser-printed regurgitation of information that is supposedly in a State of Hawaii database. Something that is done hundreds of times a day by state government offices, one would suppose.

      As of yet, there has been no proof that this database information is in fact accurate and based on a true, valid, authentic document created at the time of Obama’s birth, and therein lies the heart of this matter. Until someone in a position of authority and unimpeachable integrity, (i.e. – perhaps a trio of Supreme Court Justices, not a website), can examine the original birth certificate, complete with details such as weight, length, doctor’s or nurse’s signature, hospital name, etc., and attest to its authenticity, I for one cannot be assured that Obama was, in fact, born on US soil.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 3:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • marco hussein channing
      marco hussein channing

      “Have you ever noticed how the “right” always throws out allegations that they themselves have committed or are worried about? Like bullies calling others fags because they are closeted or not comfortable with their manhood.”

      Yes. And it ain’t working no more. Michele Bachmann is proof of that. If McCain had anything tangible to offer the country, he wouldn’t of had to pick Palin and desperately try to turn Ayers into an issue.

      The GOP is spiraling out of control and after the bullsh*t of the last 8 years, it is delicious to watch.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 4:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jana
      Jana

      I’m assuming Paula has the same morals as the idiot McCain supporter who just faked being beaten up by a black man…I also assume neither one of you believes in Karma; but it is real and it is a BITCH!! OBAMA will be our next President, so both of you losers should find a way to just deal with it.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 4:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jim Sorgi
      Jim Sorgi

      Why would Obama create a fake birth certificate when he could just request one from the state of Hawaii? Even if his mother did give birth to Barack in Africa and did sneak her son into America and walk into a hospital and pretend he was born here, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER AND A BIRTH CERTIFICATE THEN! So he would have no need to forge a document that he can easily request a real copy of. Even if he wasn’t born in the US, it is apparent that the man has a social security number. He has been employed and payed taxes for decades. Obviously he is in the state files as being Barack Obama born in Hawaii so… THERE WOULD BE NO NEED TO FAKE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 4:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      WAKE UP, “BO” went there to find what material he could that would finally prove he was not a Nat Born US Citizen.

      Did he bring his family, wife and 2 besitiful daughters to see their great grand mom?

      “BO” is a Commi, wanting to take our Bill of Rights away like the poster who suggested our right of free speech be removed in certain circumstances, WRONG.

      CLUELESS!

      Oct 24, 2008 at 4:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      “”Why would Obama create a fake birth certificate when he could just request one from the state of Hawaii? Even if his mother did give birth to Barack in Africa and did sneak her son into America and walk into a hospital and pretend he was born here, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER AND A BIRTH CERTIFICATE THEN! So he would have no need to forge a document that he can easily request a real copy of. Even if he wasn’t born in the US, it is apparent that the man has a social security number. He has been employed and payed taxes for decades. Obviously he is in the state files as being Barack Obama born in Hawaii so… THERE WOULD BE NO NEED TO FAKE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE.””

      The post above is why our Republic is in serious trouble, really clueless, ignorant people with absolutely no knowledge our the system of Government that made our nation so very great!

      If you were not born in the USA, you can not run for the presidency!

      That is why “BO” went to Hawaii, why he has not submitted either his BC or college records.

      WAKE THE HECK UP! OK?

      Oct 24, 2008 at 4:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      “”””””OBAMA will be our next President, so both of you losers should find a way to just deal with it.””””””

      NEVER, he will not be my president, and I will never follow an anti-christ!

      Oct 24, 2008 at 4:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Max
      Max

      Wow. Some of you commenters are paranoid and delusional. Good luck with that.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 4:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Screwbini
      Screwbini

      All of you foaming-at-the-mouth Obama haters are just making yourselves look more and more foolish every day. I LOVE IT! No doubt that you would be falling all over yourselves accusing Obama of lacking “family values” if he continued to campaign while his grandmother is gravely ill. And Paula, for your especially vile and vicious comment – I hope the shock of an Obama win is such a strain on your heart that you stroke out and die. EVIL BITCH!!!

      Oct 24, 2008 at 4:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schnickelfritz
      schnickelfritz

      I never paid much attention to the allegations that Obama wasn’t a US citizen because I assumed that if that were to be so, he would be removed from the election. I am sure that McCain’s people have thoroughly looked into this, because it would be great for them. If they haven’t found anything solid, there isn’t anything to be found. They wouldn’t sit back and let it go.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 4:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • leon
      leon

      Fake birth certificate or not… why post such a document on their website yet leave the MULTIPLE lawsuits regarding this matter entirely unanswered? If you can prove it Obama, then PROVE it – in the courts where these charges have been filed instead of some irrelevant website.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 4:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      Max, have you looked into the past of “BO”?

      Obviously not.

      Paranoid and knowledgeable are two very different things.

      Do not get me wrong, I hate McCain, hated Bush, Clinton and daddy Bush, loved Reagan and am a Ron Paul supporter to the point of being heavily involved in his campaign.

      That alone should tell even the most ignorant of you that I am the most well informed in this forum.

      After-all, “BO” did campaign intensely for the Federal Reserve Bailout, as did every other Traitor to our Republic.

      I however will vote McCain to keep “BO” and his movement out of my country, and if he wins, I will work the rest of my life to bring our nation back to it’s roots, and fight “BO” and his movement, whatever that takes.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 4:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      schnickelfritz

      McCain dosen’t want to be prez anymore then you or I, he will not do anything to stand in the way of “BO” winning.

      WAKE UP,

      Oct 24, 2008 at 4:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • leon
      leon

      Only then when will this issue REALLY be “widely debunked.”

      Oct 24, 2008 at 4:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      Screwbini

      I remember very clearly the 100’s of people who used your exact words when I warned them about Bush!

      Who laughs last, still dosen’t get any reward, just the knowing of more Naive and Ignorant voters to come.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 4:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      “”””leon
      Only then when will this issue REALLY be “widely debunked.””””””

      I got my Birth Certificate in the town I was born in 57 years ago, got it on the same day, it looked identical to the original, and it cost me all of $25

      I guess my question to all “BO” supporters is, why is “BO” utterly refusing to hand his over, along with his College records.

      I’ll tell you why!

      He was born in Kenya, went to college on a Foreign Aid program, exactly as Mr. Berg suggested.

      Otherwise, why would “BO” not want to clear this up ASAP, in order to get on to more important issues?

      Oct 24, 2008 at 4:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • leon
      leon

      No. 26 · Screwbini
      “… No doubt that you would be falling all over yourselves accusing Obama of lacking “family values” if he continued to campaign while his grandmother is gravely ill.”
      ——————————–
      Um… he DID continue to campaign while his grandmother is gravely ill. As far as “lacking family values,” why did he not bring the rest of his family to see their gravely ill relative?
      ——————————–

      No. 13 · fredo777
      Obama doesn’t need to show you proof of anything, “RM”.
      ———————————
      Did you ever ask GW to show you proof of anything? Maybe WMDs or something?

      Oct 24, 2008 at 4:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      “Tgvas”, why don’t you take a Xanax + shut the fuck up?

      You’re ridiculous.

      As for those criticizing Obama for not “rushing” to his grandmother’s side quickly enough for your liking, you don’t know what he + she might have discussed via phone or all the inner-workings of their relationship. Get over yourselves.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 4:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      Leon, I didn’t ask Dubya for anything, other than to admit that he stole the election.

      Still waiting on that, btw…

      Oct 24, 2008 at 5:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • leon
      leon

      Fredo,

      Did ACORN help him steal it?

      Oct 24, 2008 at 5:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • James
      James

      Poor silly old Tgvas! Church-lady’s father? You’ll be okay sweetie.

      http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

      Oct 24, 2008 at 5:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      leon

      “”””O M G””””

      This reminds me of the interviews Howard Stern had done in Harlem, interviewed 100 people by saying, IE:, “How do you feel about Sarah Palin being the VP is Barrack wins” and these people’s answered, Yeah, she’s great!

      “BO”‘s grand mum has been gravely ill for months, “BO” did not go to visit her at all, campaigned instead, NOW THAT SHE IS out of the HOSPITAL, he is visiting her???????

      GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!

      THIS IS exactly what is wrong, most “BO” supporters are 90% clueless, and spout off their rhetoric without knowing a darn thing!

      In March 2008, the 85-year-old Dunham was quoted as saying, “I am not giving any interviews…I am in poor health”

      She’s been ailing since 2007, seriousily since June and no visits from darling “BO” until now!

      Oct 24, 2008 at 5:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      No, Leon, your mother did.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 5:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      James
      Poor silly old Tgvas! Church-lady’s father? You’ll be okay sweetie.

      MORE OBAMA PPR Propaganda!

      That BS was proven to be a forgery!

      POOR SILLY and Anti-American James.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 5:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schnickelfritz
      schnickelfritz

      Tgvas: Why do you think that McCain doesn’t want the presidency? His choices have been awful, but he seems to want it too much to be rational.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 5:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Screwbini
      Screwbini

      Leon – give it up. Even if Obama had dropped everything and flown to Hawaii, the mouth-breathing, right-wing cretins would have found something to criticize. He consulted with his grandmother’s doctor and apparenetly determined that he didn’t need to drop everything immediately to rush to her side. What is important is that he’s with her now. I know that those who are praying that Obama loses the election wish he would “suspend” his campaign altogether. But for the good of the country I’m glad that’s not happening.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 5:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      Btw, tgvas, Obama also visited Hawaii for a week in the summer of this year, you stupid dick.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 5:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      fredo777
      “Tgvas”, why don’t you take a Xanax + shut the fuck up?

      My Audi has a Ron Paul tag on it, was kicked in to the tune of $3300 damage in NYC by three “BO” supporters back in July, who were arrested and remain in trial session.

      They were peaceful, Anti-Gun, wanting change “BO” supporters.

      I’m a Patriot, Gun Owner, Survivalist, Conservatve who will die before I let my guns and books go, yet I never hurt anyone or anything belonging to another.

      And in every thread posting with “BO” supporters, we, my fellow Patriots always rouse such violent anger and attacks by “you” people.

      Yeah, your movement will work, RIGHT!

      Oct 24, 2008 at 5:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      fredo777
      Btw, tgvas, Obama also visited Hawaii for a week in the summer of this year, you stupid dick.

      Ah, his grand mom became seriousily ill two months ago!

      I would have been there the next day given his money situation, HOW ABOUT YOU, or would that not fit into your “CHANGE” scenario?

      He kicked her to the side this summer, and now needed to go to look into this BS thing.

      Would not be fitting if she passed, (GOD rest her soul), and left a bunch of telling paperwork lying around.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 5:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • James
      James

      “She’s been ailing since 2007, seriousily since June and no visits from darling “BO” until now!”

      Darling Tgvas: if you are going to play at least know the rules. Rule 1: learn a fact.

      http://www.cbc.ca/world/usvotes/story/2008/10/24/obama-grandmother.html

      Now get back to bed and take a nap.

      Kisses

      Oct 24, 2008 at 5:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      fredo777
      Leon, I didn’t ask Dubya for anything, other than to admit that he stole the election.

      Stole the election, NOW LOOK WHO’s Paranoid!

      WOW, looney Toones right her in the net!

      Oct 24, 2008 at 5:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • James
      James

      “That BS was proven to be a forgery!”

      Oh really? And who did that pumpkin? Isn’t it time for your bed time baby. You really shouldn’t be out so late.

      hugs

      Oct 24, 2008 at 5:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • leon
      leon

      Let me tell you what “debunked” means:

      Leon: “Is your name ‘TGVAS’?
      TGVAS: “Yes.”
      Leon: “No, it’s not. What is your name?”
      TGVAS: “Er, it’s TGVAS…”
      Leon: “No it’s not. I have debunked your name.”

      Oct 24, 2008 at 5:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      James

      He did not visit her since August, but now that she is out of the Hospital, he’s there!

      Ah, maybe you have no calendar other then the Moscow Gazetter, but it’s the last week in OCTOBER????????????????????????????????

      Of course that’s acceptable to “BO” supporters, it’s part of that change thingi!

      When both my grandmums passed, they were surrounded by all of our family members, children, sisters, brothers, grandchildren and a few friends.

      Guess Micelle and kids have better things to do!!!!!!!!

      Oct 24, 2008 at 5:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      Come on over to our another website, Frugal Squirrel, or, Tree of Liberty, or Timebomb, or AR15.com, or AK47.com, or any of the number of sites with real americans!

      We welcome you with your twisted CHANGE!

      Oct 24, 2008 at 5:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      It’s times like these that I wish this site had more strict standards for whom they let post here.

      Yawn.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 5:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • James
      James

      Okay, Tgvas. This will be my last post to you. Why? Cause you be crazy. You say this:

      “She’s been ailing since 2007, seriousily since June and no visits from darling “BO” until now”

      Then when you are reminded he, and the family, were in Hawaii in August you decide to throw out the Moscow Gazetter ( an excellent paper by the way).

      When you calm down and want to talk let us know. But until then take your pills, listen to your therpaist, and remember Church-lady loves you.

      kisses and hugs

      Oct 24, 2008 at 5:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • leon
      leon

      The sick grandmother issue isn’t really such a big deal. I, and many others, just find it strange that he feels so strongly about being with her now in the final days of his campaign because she is ill, yet he does not feel so strongly that his daughters should also be spending time with her just the same. That is exactly the reason for speculation about some other motive. Regardless,

      As far as the “widely debunked” charges regarding his birth, “widely debunking” is not sufficient. These are REAL COURT CASES, not simply speculation by some irrelevant internet blogger. Posting an image on a website might be sufficient to shut up some lone internet blogger, but is absolutely not satisfactory for a court of law. These charges have been filed in a court of law in several states; they must be answered in the same arena. No exceptions.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 5:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • JoeE
      JoeE

      Obama’s half sister has a birth certificate like the one on Obama’s ‘smear’ site, even though she was born in Indonesia, because these are filed by a parent after the event. What SHOULD be released is a full vault copy of birth filled by the hospital (usually the delivering doctor) at the date and place of birth to discern where Obama was actually born. Cost: $24.95, and the matter is closed. Instead thousands of dollars of donors money is being spent in litigation. It’s obvious to anyone but an easily beguiled fool that something is amiss.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 5:54 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      Something is amiss, for sure.

      The common sense that God gave a billy goat among too many of Obama’s detractors.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 6:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • leon
      leon

      Fredo,
      Your posts are devoid of facts and loaded with mouthy drivel and insults. Nice to meet you, ultra-tolerant, compassionate liberal.

      All that is asked is that a man show, beyond reasonable doubt, that he can legal satisfy the requirements for the office to which he asks us to elect him. This is entirely reasonable and rational during a time of war. In fact, it should be considered a matter of national security. “Go take a xanax + stfu” is not an appropriate response to such an inquiry.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 6:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      fredo777
      It’s times like these that I wish this site had more strict standards for whom they let post here.

      YEAH, I understand that, typical “BO” supporter, wanting to stem the tide of free speech if that free speech goes any other way then their way.

      I’ve used no profanity, no threats, no four letter words, just speaking my mind, and the minds of 1/2 of americans and perhaps more, and you want to limit who says what here, and in general everywhere.

      If that is CHANGE, we don’t need it or want it, you’ll have to force it on us, and trust me, will never succeed!

      Oct 24, 2008 at 6:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      Leon, I never claimed to be ultra-tolerant, compassionate, or ultra-liberal. Not that any of that is at all relevant.

      Considering the nonsensical rants posted by your buddy tgvas, the suggestion of taking a Xanax + “s”‘ing the “f” “u” was wholly appropriate.

      Neither of your comments were rational, objective, or fair; they amount to a witch-hunt + an attempt to cast doubt on the “exotic” candidate, drawing attention to his “otherness”, which is totally in line with a lot of the GOP’s smear tactics of late. He is an eligible candidate + your incessant requests for more, more, + still more proof of his birth are pathetic, at best.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 6:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sigh
      sigh

      Is it true that the last picture taken of Obama and his grandmother together was about 40 years ago?

      Oct 24, 2008 at 6:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      Tgvas, free speech is a fantastic thing, but any site worth its salt reserves the right to stem the tide of common net trolls.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 6:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sigh
      sigh

      Oops I was wrong. Looks like the most recent photo of Obama and his grandmother together is 25 years ago. Interesting.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 6:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bud Graham
      Bud Graham

      Why don’t we just wait and see what happens. It is an issue at this point and eventually the facts will come out. Either, in a strict legal sense he is a citizen or he isn’t. Do you people think we should waiver the requirement because he is a popular figure. Would you want a President that was not a citizen?

      Oct 24, 2008 at 6:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • CHURCHILL-Y
      CHURCHILL-Y

      ^ Of course they do!

      Oct 24, 2008 at 6:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Diogenes
      Diogenes

      To James and anyone else referencing the websites of factcheck, snopes, politifact, etc. — please see post #18 — I believe the document to be presented as real and valid, but incomplete, and its data source unverified.

      Unless you can point to a flaw in this logic, please refrain from any reference to those websites.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 6:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • leon
      leon

      No, Fredo, they amount to upholding the constitution. What is pathetic is the refusal to legally validate his eligibility as a candidate.

      Just answer one simple question for me. If the charges are indeed false and can be easily refuted in court, why allow the issue to develop further and potentially lose votes? Why not prove the charges false and make the accusers look foolish?

      Oct 24, 2008 at 6:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      The accusers are going to look foolish, regardless.

      What’s the likelihood that during the process of vetting the candidates, they let this guy slide by without thorough background checking + making sure that he is, indeed, a valid citizen? It’s absurd to think otherwise.

      Answer one question for me, though. Have you done the same amount of fact-checking where Palin or McCain’s background, citizenship, etc. are concerned?

      Oct 24, 2008 at 7:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • James
      James

      Diogenes,

      Are you freaking serious? Really? You just used the word logic in your rant. Okay baby here goes. The below link is to a loverly site called WorldNetDaily. They are no fans of Obama. They investigated the birth certificate matter and said this:

      “A separate WND investigation into Obama’s birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren’t originally there.”

      Now if you want to question the logic of WorldNet, a site that makes its anti-Obama feelings clear, then go at it.

      Sleep tight sweetie.

      kisses
      James

      http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

      Oct 24, 2008 at 7:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Diogenes
      Diogenes

      James,

      Not questioning WorldNet, or making any claims myself. Just pointing out that the presented document is simply a computer’s laser-printed regurgitation of information that is supposedly in a State of Hawaii database. Whether that data is in fact corroborated by an original document produced by the hospital in Hawaii on his behalf, on the date of his birth, specifying other details such as hospital name, attending physician/nurse, length, weight, etc., and currently stored in Hawaii’s document archives is yet to be proved. This is a simple statement of fact. Thus logic (yes, logic) dictates that if it is yet unproved, it may or may not be accurate. Until then…we just don’t know.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 7:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • leon
      leon

      If you or anyone else files a lawsuit making such claims then, as long as the lawsuit is still pending, I would give it due consideration.

      I agree that it is absurd, but reality itself is sometimes absurd. Don’t you find it absurd that the 2000 election could be “stolen”? Yet you still maintain that position.

      Bottom line: the truth must be known without any doubt and the constitution must be upheld. I hope we can at least agree on that. I’ve no more time.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 7:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • James
      James

      Diogenes,

      “A separate WND investigation into Obama’s birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic.”

      If this isn’t enough, nothing is going to convince you. Keep talking that logic though!

      peace

      Oct 24, 2008 at 7:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • seitan-on-a-stick
      seitan-on-a-stick

      Barack Happenin’ Obama was indeed born in the USA while John Judas McCain was born in Panama Canal which would make him technically Stateless (White passport hated more than Iranian). So, flipping the script, Church-whore-going-down-on-yo-mamas-titty-too-late-and-by-the-way-she-looked-like-Queen-Victoria-in-Margaret-Thatcher’s-House-Dress may reveal that ONLY Senator Barack Obama is eligible to run for the United States Presidency!!

      You read it hear first, folks.

      Check with Cindy Adams, Matt Drudge, Perez Hilton or Michael Petrelis I don’t care because it’s THE TRUTH.

      BTW – Perfect Stage-craft on the Loving Grandmother. I am hot at the thought of Barack doing chores for Tootie. To quote Rosie “Paint My House!”

      Oct 24, 2008 at 7:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Diogenes
      Diogenes

      James,

      Perhaps I’m not able to make this clear enough for you to understand. I’ll try again.

      I believe the document that has been presented IS authentic. I have no issue with that.

      What is in question, is whether such document, as a computer-generated summary of entries in the state’s database, is in fact backed up by valid and verified ORIGINAL data (the vault, or original, birth certificate created at the hospital on the date of his birth.) This question has not yet been answered.

      If it has, please enlighten us as to where we can find such verification,and we can all go home. If not, the question remains open.

      Simple concept, one would think.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 8:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • againstthemachine
      againstthemachine

      Ok for you podunk idiots who have never left your itty bitty insignificant little towns/states. I was born in NY City almost 40 years ago. The copy of the birth certificate I have now (acquired 15 years ago) looks absolutely nothing like the falling-apart, unreadable photostat (remember those?) copy my parents acquired sometime in the 70s. So I agree with you Diogenes. States with large populations don’t provide the exact copy of the original certificate. They provide a form filled out with the original data and the state seal embossed on it.

      Haters!

      Oct 24, 2008 at 8:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      Yes, I do still hold that “absurd” view that the 2000 election was stolen, which it was.

      As for the whole “lawsuit” thing, I’ve more important things to concern myself with than that distraction, really.

      I just find it annoying how desperately the Obama-haters seem to try attacking him with any + every possible smear. It gets stale very quickly.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 8:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      againstthemachine
      Ok for you podunk idiots who have never left your itty bitty insignificant little towns/states. I was born in NY City almost 40 years ago. The copy of the birth certificate I have now (acquired 15 years ago) looks absolutely nothing like the falling-apart, unreadable photostat

      LYING SACK OF SHIT!

      Yeah, now I’m using profanity, you lying sack!

      I was born 57 years ago, my birth certificate was a yellow 6 x 8 paper with black letters, seal stamped and was as clear as a bell, from NY State, and my dad’s, 1927 from NYC was green, exactly like mine in clarity and thickness and stamped seal, and BTW, so was my grand-dads from NYC back in 1897.

      I have all of them today, had to get a copy of Dad’s which, BTW was identical, NO PHOTOSTAT, you lying sack of shit.

      I HATE LIARS, and the “BO” campaign is full of you Coomunist Assholes who, I’ll give you, are well organized and spread out to cover all the lies.

      Here’s some more info.

      I attended private Schools in Greenwich, CT, went on to get my PHD in Business and was retired and comfortable by 49 years of age.

      People like myself will never allow you Commi’s to take our lives away, KNOW THAT WELL!

      I have never threatened or attacked anyone in my life, but have been physically attacked by Crazed “BO” supporters who believe this TRASH COMMI is the messiah.

      Everything you people stand for, is what I stand against, “TRY AND CHANGE ME”!

      Oct 24, 2008 at 8:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Thanks!
      Thanks!

      FRAUD! This entire election year has been disgraceful and embarrassing for America. The year of smear.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 8:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      This entire election year is a setup, how else could we explain two such miseable candidates?

      Oct 24, 2008 at 8:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Scumpublican
      Scumpublican

      I will make nasty comments about this guy and his granny because I am scum of the Earth who kills US troops instead of admit error. I use my country and religion for political attacks. I am a Christian who does not follow Christ.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 9:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Phoenix (Militant Nelly Rainbow Warrior, not the Pale one)
      Phoenix (Militant Nelly Rainbow Warrior, not the Pale one)

      Wow, the commenters on this thread are really ignorant about U.S. citizenship.

      For the record it doesn’t matter where Obama was born because his mother is/was a U.S. citizen. If a person has ONE parent that is a U.S. citizen they are automatically given citizenship. If a person is born in the U.S. its territories or even on a military base or in a U.S. consulate overseas they are also granted automatic citizenship.

      Obama doesn’t need to go anywhere or even have a birth certificate. His mother was American therefore he is too.

      Also, I’d like to note that during the 60’s and 70’s lots of women did not give birth in a hospital and refused to register the birth of a son in the U.S. Why? Because of the Viet Nam Police Action (remember it wasn’t a war and the draft. If there son officially didn’t exist on paper, he couldn’t be drafted.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 9:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Phoenix (Militant Nelly Rainbow Warrior, not the Pale one)
      Phoenix (Militant Nelly Rainbow Warrior, not the Pale one)

      I’d like to add also that If a person is born in the U.S. its territories or even on a military base or in a U.S. consulate overseas they are also granted automatic citizenship no matter what there parents citizenship status is. And when a citizen turns age 18 they can apply to have their parents become citizens. Previously, automatic citizenship was conferred onto the parent as well but the laws have since been changed.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 9:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Phoenix (Militant Nelly Rainbow Warrior, not the Pale one)
      Phoenix (Militant Nelly Rainbow Warrior, not the Pale one)

      “their” duh.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 9:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • seitan-on-a-stick
      seitan-on-a-stick

      Democrats, Vote November 4th!

      Republicans, Vote November 5th

      Oct 24, 2008 at 9:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Diogenes
      Diogenes

      Phoenix,

      BZZZZZT! Wrong answer, but thank you for playing.

      The details are more complicated than that, and you need to go do some more homework. Come back when you’ve completed your assignment.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 9:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

      Article. II. – The Executive Branch
      Section 1 – The President

      for you commis out there, this comes from the 2nd most important document in the UAS, THE CONSTITUTION, the most important being THE HOLY BIBLE.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 9:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      typo, got a 3 and year old ready for bed, on top of me. USA

      if “bo” is president, it will be the USSA,

      Oct 24, 2008 at 9:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • homer
      homer

      Fuck there are some scummy people living comments on here.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 10:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      yeah, truth sucks

      Oct 24, 2008 at 10:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William Dawson
      William Dawson

      If his grandmother was so sick, why’d he wait this long to go see her? It’s my understanding that she broke her hip. Does anyone know for sure?

      I think he bailed out for a few days because he thinks he’s in the lead. He just wants to coast until the election.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 10:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William Dawson
      William Dawson

      TGVAS…I have to agree with you. You’re the only one here who seems to have a clear grasp of what’s going on in this country. AND IT AIN’T GOOD!!

      Oct 24, 2008 at 10:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William Dawson
      William Dawson

      Not sure if you’re allowed to post a link here but I will anyway. The moderator can pull it if it’s not okay.

      http://wnd.com:80/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78309

      Oct 24, 2008 at 10:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alec
      Alec

      Slight correction.
      If BO is elected it will be the USKKA- just like Obama’s mentor said.
      Black Liberation Theology.
      Google it. And be very afraid.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 11:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      “If his grandmother was so sick, why’d he wait this long to go see her?”

      How, exactly, is that any of your place to judge how quickly he should have gone to visit hisgrandmother?

      Seriously. Comments like these disgust me. God forbid you ever end up in the public eye + don’t do everything in a manner that pleases the peanut gallery. Get over yourself.

      Oct 24, 2008 at 11:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mr C
      Mr C

      Hey Ms TGVAS and the KKKGay Brigade,

      Boy don’t your faggot ass have alot of hate for Obama. You go and research a bunch of internet BULLSHIT and choose to believe it…BRAVO

      As an African American I have stood under a PREDOMINATELY WHITE GOV’T all my life. So queen you need to get over your hateful fears of an Obama administration.

      And to say some of things that is being said about him and the relationship to his grandmother is utterly DIGUSTING! what about yours?

      But just for the record hate him and us Blacks all you want. This will not be the USSA it will still be the USA.

      And by the way PUNK MOTHERFUCKER YOU said: Everything you people stand for, is what I stand against, “TRY AND CHANGE ME”!”

      I wouldn’t want to change you. But I’d love to see how much MOUTH in person would you spew. Evil fucker you’d be SHUT DOWN in 60 seconds.

      BTW,Have you checked in with your Mother yet. To see if she’s been raped by a nasty black Man. Like that lying bitch said in Pittsburgh.

      GET OVER IT AND OR MOVE AWAY!

      CHANGE IS COMING YOU RACIST KKGAYS!

      SUCK A RABID COCK AND DIE.
      AND I CAN SAY THAT IN YOUR FACE!

      Oct 24, 2008 at 11:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • RainaWeather
      RainaWeather

      who gives a fuck>

      Oct 25, 2008 at 12:01 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alec
      Alec

      Lovely post, Mr C.
      Just what we “clean” people would expect from dregs like you.
      Thank you for living up to our expectations of a NOBAMA Presidency.
      It will not happen.

      Just a question- Why are you voting for this socialist and what has he accomplished?
      And if you cite “change”- just shows you are clueless.
      Waiting for YOUR answer- because you are SO eloquent- and I am SURE that BO would be proud of your answer.
      Waiting

      Oct 25, 2008 at 12:37 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      I’m curious to hear what you think makes McCain or Palin qualified to be potential presidents, particularly when Palin doesn’t even seem to grasp what a veep does, exactly, + that McCain chose her.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 12:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • HappyFnCamper
      HappyFnCamper

      Well if Grandma is in that bad of a state why does the whole family not go for what might be the last live visit… Seems that is what most of you would do if you had the $. I guess we gotta wait to have the kids see her laid out in a coffin rather than live and breathing still. Yea explain his way outta that one for him… That is what is sick about the whole thing. 4 days of planning and no family visit. Real crappy that its always all about him not really about his grandmother. Then it is racist to question any thing about his actions… Well he is not black nor white but both. He only pushes black for his own gains and agenda – a chess play to further his goals. It is just as racist to deny he is also white.

      Don’t believe everything you hear.
      Believe only half of what you read.
      Question everything you see.

      I want BO to lose on his merit or lack of rather than this lil blurb about a visit to Granny and a BC. This is a non issue as the last time he visited her for a couple hours outta sevral day stay on the island…

      Look deeper, think straighter and open your eyes. The real issues on taxes, broken agreements, out right lies. I have lived in Chicago all my life. I know a lot more of what is not said than the BS that has no relevance. Funneling or raising money for Rezko, Funnye, Acorn, Blackwell, Pfleger, Wright, Meeks, Khalidi, Odinga just for starters.

      I will not go into the contributions given to him from all the failed financial institutions and other questionable sources. The Chicago Machine has found a way to buy and cheat to get one of their own from Crook County in the White House. Just watch the appointments and job handouts that Chicago politics are famous for on the Hill.

      Enough said could go all night listing here if I had to. Don’t take my word for it, research the truth for yourself. McCain is not much better of a choice, however he still is a better choice even with his closet full of skeletons.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 12:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alec
      Alec

      If you are a listener – who believed that Gov. Palin’s interviews weren’t edited by those idiots in the MSM- you habe NOT been paying attention to what’s going on here.
      Drink the Kool Aid.
      Demeaning and condescending

      Oct 25, 2008 at 1:08 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William Dawson
      William Dawson

      Alec…I think you could take it a step further and use marxist as opposed to socialist. I hope the American people wake up over the next 10 days.

      If not, this country is in real trouble. Can you imagine having Nancy, Harry & Obama in charge? I shudder to think of the changes coming to America if this happens.

      I don’t like either of our choices but at least I respect John McCain. He is the lesser of two evils and at least he’s not a Socialist or a Marxist.

      I do like Ron Paul. He has the right answers but they’re a little to much for the American people to take in all at once.

      As for Mr. C, he seems to lack even a touch of class.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 1:10 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William Dawson
      William Dawson

      Mr. C… Go to the link on post # 92 and read it all. Have you vetted Obama at all? Have you read his book where he refers to a person named Frank who was his mentor when he was a young boy in Hawaii?

      Well, Frank happened to have been a communist that once tried to take over the NAACP and turn it into a communist organization. Also, look at his other radical associations.

      Wake up my friend!!

      Oct 25, 2008 at 1:27 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mr C
      Mr C

      To Alec and William Dawson,
      No, I have much class. I just do not seem to answer intellectually to Gay racist queens.

      Like I said I’ve always been under a white american gov’t system. And now I’m ready for CHANGE and John McCain and Sarah Palin are not CHANGE!

      And if any of you KKKGays want to talk facts about SOCIALISM…..Then lets talk facts:

      Gov Sarah Palin of Alaska has said how she fought the BIG OIL COMPANIES for some of their revenue. And now she gives every year to the citizens of the state of Alaska a check of roughly 2,500.00$.
      TAKE FROM THE RICH AND GIVE TO THE POOR AND SPREAD THE WEALTH!

      And if that isn’t SOCIALISM MOTHERFUCKER
      Then what is???????????

      You queens will believe anything that the rethuglicans say and internet nonsense.

      OBAMA is not a SOCIALIST and never would want to take from the rich and give to the poor like Gov Palin does presently! He just feels EVERYBODY should have a chance even you fags the rethuglicans constantly REJECTS!

      And none of you queens on here are all that wealthy otherwise you wouldn’t be on Queerty with the bias comments and utter bull.

      Bottom line if Hillary was the democratic nominee you motherfuckers would be on board hands down. But because a minority is there and maybe not the one you prefer (i.e hispanic, or asian) all this bullshit comes flying.
      Talk about living in glass houses!

      BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
      is NOT A MUSLIM
      is an AMERICAN

      And has the right to everything you have as an American.
      You have the right act with hate.
      And we have the right to RE-ACT back at you.

      FUCK CLASS.
      I’m all about keeping real and in your face!

      And with queens like you hating in the community we need not worry about the hetero-sexual community’s hate!

      And by the way what the fuck is John McCain’s record.

      OH YEAH He’s is against Gay Marriage and he voted for 20 yrs straight against a MLK holiday.

      That may not mean much to you. But it means EVERYTHING to me. He’s also for giving tax breaks to companies who continue to send jobs off-shore.

      A REAL AMERICAN! EH’

      And Sarah’s a SOCIALIST I just showed you the proof. And can’t even define her role as VICE PRESIDENT? But that’s okay for the attractive white woman.

      And talk about Jeremiah Wright well lets counter-act that with Her HUSBAND and the A.I.P whom she gave her blessings and well wishes to 2 yrs ago.

      HA HA HYPOCRITES!

      FUCK THE BOTH OF THEM!
      PERIOD!

      Oct 25, 2008 at 1:51 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mr C
      Mr C

      And I have awaken.

      Anybody can change and reform themselves.
      Even a Gay Racist can do that!

      I am very awake! McCain isn’t not for me!

      Oct 25, 2008 at 1:53 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      Kool-Aid, my ass.

      Any rational human being that has listened to enough of Sarah Palin’s (intentionally) limited interviews can glean from her manner of addressing the issues that she is way out of her league.

      At any rate, I don’t care to battle with this lot of brain-dead haters any longer.

      May the best man win. I’m sure Obama will + I’ll be doing everything in my power to help him do so, fairly.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 2:57 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William Dawson
      William Dawson

      MR. C, you come across as a racist. Just what this country doesn’t need. And I do believe Obama & his wife are racist too. Did you read her disertation? Do you even know what that is?

      Personally, I don’t care what color the president is but I do care about the issues. I think this country has already taken a giant step towards socialism and I believe that will be the final outcome. I just think we’ll get there faster with Obama as president.

      And you need to lighten up on the name calling. It takes away from any credibility you could garner with your posts. Your rantings gives me the impression you’re an idiot. Read over your posts. See what I mean?

      BTW, I’m not gay, racist or republican. I’m an independent hetrosexual who could care less what color you are.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 3:03 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      I don’t know what a “disertation” (sic) is, but I’m pretty sure you misspelt it.

      I have to agree, unfortunately, that you shouldn’t be so quick to call posters racist, Mr. C. It gives weight to the claims that “anyone who disagrees with Obama is called a racist”, which I generally think is bullshit. It does happen, though, from time to time.

      As for the other name-calling, I don’t have much of an issue with it, unless it is something like “fag”, etc.

      Personally, I’m quite capable of getting my point across while still reserving the right to call someone an asshole, for example. It’s not everyone’s cup of tea, granted, but I don’t care too much about that.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 3:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Shawn
      Shawn

      OK Folks,

      First off, Barack Obama IS A NATURAL BORN UNITED STATES CITIZEN!!!! BORN IN HAWAII!!! That is a fact and if not, he would not be where he is today!!!

      Second, all you fools that defended that lying little fat white racist bitch saying we needed t understand she was beaten up an we were being mean, well SLAP in your faces she pulled one on you!!!!

      Third, John McCain WAS NOT BORN ON US SOIL!!! He was born in PANAMA!!! If Barack was born there TRUST ME The Republicans would not have let him run for office!!!

      Fourth, HOW DARE YOU ALL for trying to joke around with an elderly woman who has lived a good life and is now about to be in a better place. When she does pass, I hope you all know how hateful you all were towards her and hope someone is as mean to you and worse when you lose a parent or grandparent, so you know what it feels like. It seems all the negative comments come from Republicans anyway, that is why you are all hated and despised by everyone including your own party!!!

      So sad for you!!!!

      Oct 25, 2008 at 3:44 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Liz
      Liz

      I’m not worried about Senator Obama being president I think he would make a very good president. I believe him to be a good man, a good father, a good husband and sincere in his desire to do good things. But I do have a concern about maintaining the integrity of the Constitution and if and that is a BIG IF these things are true about not being born in America, that goes against our Constitution. The only thing is I just can’t believe that what is being alleged about Senator Obama could possibly be true. He just seems so honest & down to earth. It just doesn’t compute. And why the heck would he even try running for president if these things are true. I’m sorry, but he’s not an idiot. He’s way smarter than that!

      But one truth is, there has been SOOOO much corruption in our gov’t that the time is ripe for the Constitution to be thrown out the window and that in my opinion would be a very sad day.

      All of this is making me lose sleep. I get so scared it could be true and I just don’t want it to be. I’m just not going to think that way. :) I am going to keep good thoughts and being one who likes the thrill of going to the polls on Election Day, I can’t wait to vote and make history!

      Oct 25, 2008 at 3:52 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • brad
      brad

      If Obama does not win cities will burn. I pray he wins

      Oct 25, 2008 at 4:15 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mr C
      Mr C

      I said what U said and that’s it!

      I’m no idiot….are you?
      I know what I wrote and have no problem with it.

      This county isn’t moving towards any type of socialism.
      By the way if America can take care of other countries. Then they can take care of their own.

      And if that is considered SOCIALISM than I am all for it!
      Everyone will not be fortunate to navigate through life without assistance I believe in giving someone a hand up and not a handout!

      Remember we do not live in a DICTATORSHIP. It is a democracy. And we are all like stars. One day they fall and we’ll need some help us to get back on our feet also. Like what’s going on in America presently…with home mortgages, employment etc,

      Once again if that is SOCIALISM I’m all for it!

      To bad republicans aren’t!
      And everyone who has ran for politial office has skeletons. It’s just amazing to me when a non-white has reached this far. So many folks have nothing but the MOST negative things to say and those feelings are not based on any record. It’s actual instinct of some type of crazy “fear” of that type of change.

      Oh well. It looks like it’s coming.
      And after the BUSH REGIME it can’t get any worse than what it has been!

      Oct 25, 2008 at 4:44 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mr C
      Mr C

      Repost!
      I said what I said and that’s it!

      I’m no idiot Sir, are you?
      I know what I wrote and have no problem with it.

      This country isn’t moving towards any type of socialism.
      By the way if America can take care of other countries. Then they can take care of their own.

      And if that is considered SOCIALISM than I am all for it!
      Everyone will not be fortunate to navigate through life without assistance I believe in giving someone a hand up and not a handout!

      Remember we do not live in a DICTATORSHIP. It is a democracy. And we are all like stars. One day they fall and we’ll need some help us to get back on our feet also. Like what’s going on in America presently…with home mortgages, employment etc,

      Once again if that is SOCIALISM I’m all for it!

      To bad republicans aren’t!
      And everyone who has ran for politial office has skeletons. It’s just amazing to me when a non-white has reached this far. So many folks have nothing but the MOST negative things to say and those feelings are not based on any record. It’s actual instinct of some type of crazy “fear” of that type of change.

      Oh well. It looks like it’s coming.
      And after the BUSH REGIME it can’t get any worse than what it has been!

      Oct 25, 2008 at 4:50 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Peter Pan
      Peter Pan

      Ayers’ Role in Obama’s “Dreams”

      By Jack Cashill:

      WorldNetDaily.com
      October 23, 2008

      In July 2008 I stumbled on a story that won’t let me go. Someone had sent me excerpts from Barack Obama’s memoir, Dreams From My Father, and asked me whether they were as radical as they sounded.

      After a little research I concluded that these excerpts were not particularly troubling in context. What I also noticed, however, was that they were much too well written.

      After a speculative article in late July, I let the story drop. A month or so later—for unrelated reasons–I picked up a copy of Bill Ayers’ memoir, Fugitive Days. It has been a roller coaster ever since.

      http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/ayers_role.htm
      ___________

      IMHO: The economic crisis and 700 billion dollar theft have been PULLED as a cover by the criminal BANKSTERS to get their hypnotized puppets (Obama or McCain, makes NO difference) into the White House via a hypnotized electorate!

      Peter Pan.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 6:13 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Locke
      John Locke

      The only blowhard here is the writer of this article – Obama has NOT produced his birth certificate in the Philip Berg lawsuit (see http://obamacrimes.com ) – and has admitted being born in Kenya, not Hawaii, by default (failing to answer the suit, though he has attorneys on it and has tried to delay it legally). It is biased to label this issue as “blowhard” – If the web-based birth certificate was legit – why didn’t Obama produce it as evidence in this case? He did not – factcheck.org is not “end all” in this – as the web based certificate has issues – the border does not match the Hawaii border – there is no seal – and the text, when enlarged and examined by experts, proves it was created in a program called photoshop – Read this if you don’t believe me: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/06/such-a-liar-oba.html – The writer has shot off his mouth without considering all of the facts.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 8:10 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Sue Deaunym
      Sue Deaunym

      I find it hard to believe that the silliness of this issue hasn’t been obvious to everyone: Obama’s mother was a US citizen in 1961. She could have hated the US, been in Cuba at the time of his birth working to bring nuclear weapons for use against the US, and son Barack would still be a citizen. From http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
      ___________________________________________________________

      Title 8, Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

      Anyone born inside the United States

      Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe

      Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.

      Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national

      Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year

      Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21

      Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time).

      Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President.
      _______________________________________________________

      The reason the MSM has ignored this story? IT’S BULLSIIIIT!

      Oct 25, 2008 at 8:59 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      I’m going to post issues one at a time in order to shed a little REALITY into the minds of “BO” supporters.

      Startung with Firearms, our Right, from GOD, and strengthened and reassured by the Bill of Rights.
      FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.17

      FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18

      FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1

      FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15

      FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

      FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9

      FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

      FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4

      FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5

      FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6

      FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

      FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7

      FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8

      FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9

      FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10

      FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11

      FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12

      FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13

      FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

      FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14

      FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16

      FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9

      FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9

      FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9

      Oct 25, 2008 at 9:03 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      Mr C,

      with all due respect SIR, “BO” has publicly stated that he intends to spread the wealth by taxing the people who make over $250,000.00.

      That, SIR, is socialism,

      250 grnd per year is average here in the North East and in the SouthWest of california, 250 is below average for any MOM & POP business, from General Stores in Maine to Art Supplies in FLorida.

      He dosen’t propose to stop sending our wealth overseas, on the contrary, he proposes raising taxes across the board in order to increase that spending, as well as speding to support welfare, illegal aliens and the like.

      “BO” proposes to raise capital gains taxes, I ASK WHY, why should the Government get “MY” money from the sale of my 25 acres, let alone get another 10% above current rates?

      OBAMA is Socialism, and most of you good people will later admit your mistake in trusting a man that you have done too little research on to know who and what he truly is.

      Later, when this man has altered our Republic into a Socialist Nation where the American Dream has been crushed further, you will look at your mistake and regret what you have created for your children.

      McCain is an ASSHOLE, no doubt in my mind whatsoever, BUSH is an asshole, but voting for a man that seems better, judged by your inability to take the time to research, is not going to fix the problems,

      Giving us more time to GET BACK to the creation of the founders, back to our Constitution is our only hope.

      All is lost this election, but perhaps we can save our Republic next time around, with a concerted effort to find the true American, someone who puts the people first, not an idea of Communisn that has never worked for any nation or peoples.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 9:12 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      brad
      If Obama does not win cities will burn. I pray he wins

      IS THAT A THREAT?

      This is the same rhetoric that I have heard from the first day “BO” stepped into the ring.

      THREATS, Militaristic Brown Shirted Youth, Communisn, alliances with terrorist, One Worlders, America Haters, World Power Elite that have a clear agenda to rip our constitution away from our nation in order to bring forth a Martial Law state similiar to that os Nazi Germany.

      Threats, “BRING IT ON” burn your own cities, OBAMA supporters have a long history of that, BURN them then, you always have, I won’t stop you……………but come to my little town, I think not.

      Go Ahead, then, burn your cities, homes again, YEAH, that will work#@$%^&*()

      Oct 25, 2008 at 9:21 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MEN-SOR
      MEN-SOR

      obama is a terrorist

      MCCAIN PALIN 08!!!

      Oct 25, 2008 at 9:24 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      Sue Deaunym

      You’re a GoD DAMNED IDIOT.

      I quoted the CONSTITUTION, If you were not born in the USA, you can never run for president.

      You are the example of the ignorance that has brought our nation to this very point.

      You can spew your garbage all day long, but if “BO” is found to have been born outside of the USA, and this is not found out until after the election, if he wins, then it will be an upheavel in this nation the likes of which have never been seen before by the majority.

      And if the PTB do not kick him out, call the election null and void, there will be strikes the likes of which will stop the Federal Government in it tracks.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 10:23 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Peter Pan
      Peter Pan

      My, my, my!

      Hillary Clinton was right! Barack Obama is in so far over his unqualified head that he is getting caught up in his own tangled web of deceit before he can reach Election Day! And wife Michelle Obama just might be the person who ends his bid for the White House!

      Michelle Obama finally let her anger get the best of her and as she put it, “enough is enough!”
      Here’s her statement in full context, as reported by African Press International

      “African press International is supposed to support Africans and African-American view” -“it is strange that API has chosen to support the racists against my husband. There is no shame in being adopted by a step father. All dirt has been thrown onto my husband’s face and yet he loves this country. My husband and I know that there is no law that will stop him from becoming the president, just because some American white racists are bringing up the issue of my husband’s adoption by His step father. The important thing here is where my husband’s heart is at the moment. I can tell the American people that My husband loves this country and his adoption never changed his love for this country. He was born in Hawaii, yes, and that gives him all the right to be an American citizen even though he was adopted by a foreigner; says Michelle Obama on telefon to API.”

      http://www.rightsidenews.com/200810232315/editorial/-there-is-no-law-that-will-stop-obama-from-becoming-president.html

      Oct 25, 2008 at 10:23 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mr C
      Mr C

      TGVAS,

      I guess if taxing 250,000.00 is a socialism tool. Once again I don’t have a problem with that. Everybody is assuming this tax will be a high tax. In fact it won’t and also these are the very people who find tax shelters to keep some of their money. So in fact those folks are not losing much of anything.

      But to say he wants to continue Welfare, and etc as if this was a bad thing. Well someone has to take care of these folks that cannot make it on their own.

      OKAY, I’m not with the Reagan Factor. All Reagan did was made sure they rich stayed Rich and the poor stayed poor. And may he roll over in grave and burn even worse for that. No apologies.

      Obviously your claiming much wealth well good for you. I don’t know many folks that make that kind of money who can’t find a tax shelter.

      They always do that is why they have accountants and Tax attorneys…NO ONE IS STUPID HERE.
      And where do you find that Obama is a Communist? Lord I have never heard anyone call a US President a Communist but then again this guy is different from the rest.OH WELL.

      And I guess yeah being a socialist to certain people must be the answer with republicans that is.
      The US sends money to every country that has a crisis. But yet didn’t do MUCH OF SHIT for the Katrina victims. predominatey Black but others were affected as well. But made sure Texas would be covered after Rita. And made sure that the Floridians would get assistance after their disasters as well. Be a socialist to certain groups the red states….YEAH OKAY!

      And my anger rings loud on here because you answered my post pretty decently. Thank You.

      However, this is what you said to Brad

      Threats, “BRING IT ON” burn your own cities, OBAMA supporters have a long history of that, BURN them then, you always have, I won’t stop you……………but come to my little town, I think not.

      I am assuming your mentioning Blacks and in a negative way also. Well since you said you have heard this from day one. Please tell me factual. What Black person has said this? I don’t think you can come up with that answer. And please don’t mention past events because it would be wrong for me to think every caucasian is racist when they are not

      And that is what I don’t like everyone’s little reasons for being against Obama and then tinges it with a little racism.
      Nah…. I’m not feeling not that at all. And most of these gays on here that are not for Obama and have the right not to be has to bring the race issue with nasty statements, etc. Keep it real and be a Man about if you’re prejudice your’re prejudice

      However, We will never find a President that everyone will be happy with. But that’s the beauty of a democracy!

      EVERYONE JUST MAKE SURE YOU VOTE WHOMEVER YOUR CANDIDATE OF CHOICE IS!

      Oct 25, 2008 at 10:26 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      Peter Pan

      That’s old news but good news.

      The jist is that Michelle was in daily contact with the Kenyan Gov to quell any further investigation into her husband’s birth there, chase Jerome Courey out of the country and basically, STOP TRUTH!

      The Kenyan Gov did not like being bullied, and threatened to tell the world.

      Michelle, evil as they come, threatened the power of her husbands presidency to strike at the Kenya with any means needed to threaten them into silence and the Kenyan President basically told her to eff off.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 10:28 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      Mr C

      I’m not wealthy, just hard working, and in my area 250 grand is hardly workable as a living wage.

      I have many gays friends, am straight myself, and it is funny how not one of my gay friends is an OBAMA supporter, on the contrary, they are all hard working conservatives who just want to be left alone and have the GOV stay out of their lives.

      Of course, they are the silent majority.

      AH, did I even mention the word black?

      Oct 25, 2008 at 10:34 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Sue Deaunym
      Sue Deaunym

      TGVAS:

      You’re infected, poison. Go flush yourself.

      Or, really go READ the Constitution. You’ll find you’re wrong, although because you never CAN be wrong, that would be a waste of time. . .

      Oct 25, 2008 at 10:36 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      Mr C

      Here’s where your complete ignorance shows.

      THE USA is not, and never was meant to be a democracy, in fact, our founding fathers went to great troubles to make certain that we were not.

      We are a Constitutional Republic, always have been.

      What’s the difference, seems odd that you do not know.

      A Democracy is MOB RULE, meaning, that if our nation, being perhaps 80% straight, decided to ban homosexual behavior, it would be banned and gays would be placed in prison.

      Thank GOD we are a Constitutional Republic (every voice has equal meaning and power), because I believe, as I have all my life, as RON PAUL believes, that every man and woman has the right to chose their own path without hinderance or limitation by any Government entity or group of people, even if that group is the majority.

      Democracy, Socialism, Communisn is a great danger to your way of life.

      Some one like Ron Paul is the best way to your freedoms, someone like OBAMA is not.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 10:40 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      Sue Deaunym

      BLIND IDIOTO!

      I read the Constitution where it pertains to the presidency.

      OH, I’m sorry, I thought you could read!

      Here it is once again in it’s entirely!

      Section 1 – The President

      The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

      Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

      (The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not lie an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; a quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two-thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice-President.) (This clause in parentheses was superseded by the 12th Amendment.)

      The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

      No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

      (In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.) (This clause in parentheses has been modified by the 20th and 25th Amendments.)

      The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

      Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:

      “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

      Oct 25, 2008 at 10:43 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      Here it is again and again

      No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

      No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

      No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

      No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

      No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

      No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

      No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

      No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 10:45 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      Sue Deaunym

      You know, I apologize for being so hard, you have your beliefs, and I have mine, it is just mine are based on FACT, your’s, on the other hand, are based on wishes!

      Oct 25, 2008 at 10:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Sue Deaunym
      Sue Deaunym

      Anyone caring to be informed about the constitutional requirements of US citizenship and presidential eligibility:

      http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401—-000-.html

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law

      Or, just stay ignorant and pissed off and self-righteous.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 10:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Sue Deaunym
      Sue Deaunym

      TVGAS,

      I believe you’ve confused the term “natural born.” Visit http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

      Even if born in Kenya, Obama is “natural born.”

      Oct 25, 2008 at 10:52 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MEN-SOR
      MEN-SOR

      WHO REALLY IS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA???

      GOOGLE “OBAMA TERRORISM AYERS” AND FOUND OUT OUT THE TRUTH OF HIS SHADY PAST

      DO YOU WANT A TERRORIST AS THE PRESIDENT OF OUR NATION?

      MCCAIN PALIN 08!!!

      Oct 25, 2008 at 10:54 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Sue Deaunym
      Sue Deaunym

      Actually, I’m wondering: this country is so screwed up, might it take a socialist muslim with terrorist connections to fix it? ;-}

      If so, Obama might not even be radical enough. . .

      Oct 25, 2008 at 11:00 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      Sue Deaunym
      TVGAS,
      I believe you’ve confused the term “natural born.” Visit http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
      Even if born in Kenya, Obama is “natural born.”

      “natural born citizen.” YOU IDIOT!

      Oct 25, 2008 at 11:06 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      love the way people leave out certain words to make it work their way!

      Oct 25, 2008 at 11:07 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      Sue Deaunym
      Actually, I’m wondering: this country is so screwed up, might it take a socialist muslim with terrorist connections to fix it? ;-}

      OH yeah, that’ll work!

      U N B E L I E V A B L E!

      Oct 25, 2008 at 11:11 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      Sue , i bet your’e the type that would put your kids on drugs if he/she were a bit out of control rather then realyzing that they were just kids being kids.

      Or maybe, send them to bootcamp to have some stranger scare them into being well again, well, in your mind, not theirs.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 11:14 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      I love how deliciously ironic it is that the title of this article smoked out the very same type of blowhards, many of which probably aren’t even gay. And they’re regurgitating the same tired smears that most of us have heard, researched, + don’t give a shit about anymore.

      You’re not swaying anyone that has a modicum of sense + the ability to read up on your ridiculously biased attacks.

      My vote (+ the vote of plenty of my friends, gay + otherwise) will be cast for the smart choice:

      Obama/Biden ’08

      And that’s my “final answer”.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 11:14 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Sue Deaunym
      Sue Deaunym

      TVGAS,

      I’m sorry, I must again correct you. (I’m sure that will trouble you terribly, in that your ugly charges of idiocy will be seen by everyone else reading this blog as likely truer of you than of me.)

      But you seem to be unable to read with comprehension. Again, from http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html , the pertinent passages:
      ____________________________________

      Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

      Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

      Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years.

      Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President.
      ___________________________________

      So, you’re mistaken. And mean-spirited as well. I’m going to encourage you not to vote until you’ve grown up and stopped being so reckless and rude.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 11:17 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Sue Deaunym
      Sue Deaunym

      TVGAS,

      “Sue , i bet your’e the type that would put your kids on drugs if he/she were a bit out of control rather then realyzing that they were just kids being kids.”

      Again, another blatant example of how mistaken you are. I’m a clinical psychologist, with a specialty for finding alternatives to psychotropic medications, especially for children.

      Generally wrong, you’re never in doubt.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 11:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      SUE, again, you are way off the mark.

      If, “BO” was actually born in KENYA, he is not able to run for the presidential seat, period.

      That has already been established by every Constitutional Expert including SCOTUS.

      On to the next passage my dear.

      We are now trying tp force “BO” to find and submit his Birth Certificate.

      WHY?

      Because if he does and it is Kenyan, GAME OVER!

      Oct 25, 2008 at 11:34 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Sue Deaunym
      Sue Deaunym

      So, if my mother and father (both American citizens), vacationing in Antigua a month before my birth, had been unable to return to the states before I was born, I would be Antiguan? Not an American citizen? Never able to run for President?

      Thus, McCain is a Panamanian citizen? Can’t be President either?

      Sure sounds like a dumb, erroneous argument. . .

      “established by every Constitutional Expert” I don’t suppose you have any links for this claim? I find most such “experts” pretty clearly supporting the Constitutional argument I’ve posted above.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 11:43 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Peter Pan
      Peter Pan

      No. 138 · fredo777 – Remember your decision! I know I will!

      Oct 25, 2008 at 1:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      clinical psychologist

      Yeah, that explains it!

      McCain was almost thrown out as a possibility to run for the presidency ten years ago, but papers were submitted proving he was born on a military base, his parents serving our Nation!

      Wish he had been disqualified, but we’re stuck with him.

      SUE, you forget or have left out, SCOTUS has already ruled on the guidelines, what you have posted is someone’s opinion prior or after SCOTUS ruled.

      SORRY, you are wishing again!

      Oct 25, 2008 at 1:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Sue Deaunym
      Sue Deaunym

      My search shows no relevant Supreme Court decision. Provide a link. . .

      (btw, I’m unlikely to vote for Obama in November. I just despise malevolent idiocy being used to further a political agenda, mine or anyone else’s. My political leanings tend to be more Libertarian; I just wish I could forgive Barr his previous irresponsibility. And I’ve believed for years that McCain lacks integrity and is no “war hero,” having engaged in probable treason while in Viet Nam and betraying the POWs after reaching the senate.)

      Oct 25, 2008 at 1:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Acorn
      Acorn

      My search shows no relevant Supreme Court decision.

      Of course not. These right-wing trolls just make shit up.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 1:54 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      US presidential candidates born outside the US
      “The constitutional wording has left doubts about whether those born on foreign soil are on an equal footing with those whose birth occurred inside the country’s borders, and whether they have the same rights.”[2] Though every president and vice president to date (as of 2008) has either been a citizen at the adoption of the Constitution, or else born in a U.S. state or Washington D.C.,[3] a number of presidential candidates have been born elsewhere.[4]

      Barry Goldwater, who ran as the Republican party nominee in 1964, was born in Arizona while it was still a U.S. territory. Although Arizona was not a state, it was a fully organized and incorporated territory of the United States.[5]

      George Romney, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 1968, was born in Mexico to U.S. parents. Romney’s grandfather emigrated to Mexico in 1886 with his three wives and children after Utah outlawed polygamy. Romney’s parents retained their U.S. citizenship and returned to the United States in 1912. Romney was 32 years old when he arrived in Michigan.

      Lowell Weicker, the former Connecticut Senator, Representative, and Governor, entered the race for the Republican party nomination of 1980 but dropped out before voting in the primaries began. He was born in Paris, France and acquired his citizenship at birth through his parents. His father was an executive for E. R. Squibb & Sons and his mother was the Indian-born daughter of a British general.[6]

      John McCain, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and is the Republican nominee in 2008, was born at the Coco Solo U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents. Although the Panama Canal Zone was not considered to be part of the United States,[7] federal law states: “Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.”[8] The law that conferred this status took effect on August 4, 1937, one year after John McCain was born — albeit with retroactive effect, resulting in McCain being declared a U.S. citizen.[9]

      The mere fact of Constitutional ineligibility has not deterred some minor parties from nominating candidates for President who could not possibly serve in the office. For example, although some states have blocked ballot access for such candidates, the Socialist Workers Party nonetheless successfully placed its candidate, Róger Calero, on the ballot in Mississippi in 2004. [10]

      Oct 25, 2008 at 2:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      US Supreme Court cases relating to citizenship, generally
      Although the U.S. Supreme Court has never specifically addressed the meaning of “natural born citizen,” there are several Supreme Court decisions that help define citizenship:

      Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857): In regard to the “natural born citizen” clause, the dissent states that it is acquired by place of birth (jus soli), not through blood or lineage (jus sanguinis): “The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language, ‘a natural-born citizen.’ It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth.” (Much of the majority opinion in this case was overturned by the 14th Amendment in 1868.)
      United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898): A person born within the jurisdiction of the U.S. to non-citizens who “are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity” is automatically a citizen.
      Weedin v. Chin Bow, 274 U.S. 657 (1927): A child born outside the U.S. cannot claim U.S. citizenship by birth through a U.S. citizen parent who had never lived in the U.S. prior to the child’s birth. (This is still true today, although the specific statutes upon which the Supreme Court’s ruling was based have changed since 1927.)
      Montana v. Kennedy, 366 U.S. 308 (1961): A person born in 1906, whose mother was a native-born citizen of the United States and whose father was a foreign citizen, who was born overseas and then moved to the United States, was not a citizen of the United States by birth. (Note that the relevant laws have changed considerably since 1906, so this decision does not necessarily apply to later cases.)
      Schneider v. Rusk, 377 U.S. 163 (1964): The Court voided a statute that provided that a naturalized citizen should lose his United States citizenship if, following naturalization, he resided continuously for three years in his former homeland. “We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native-born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the ‘natural born’ citizen is eligible to be President.”
      Miller v. Albright, 523 U.S. 420 (1998): A child born overseas to an American father and a foreign mother (not married) is not a U.S. citizen unless paternity is established before an established age (in this case 21). This case challenged the law on the grounds that U.S. law requires no explicit acknowledgment of parenthood in the case of a foreign-born child to an American mother and a foreign father (not married).
      Nguyen v. INS, 533 U.S. 53 (2001): As in the Miller v. Albright case, the Court holds that a child born overseas to an American father and a foreign mother (not married) is not a U.S. citizen unless paternity is established before an established age (in this case 18). The child was brought to the U.S. before his sixth birthday and raised by his father; however, after a criminal conviction, deportation was ordered but the child claimed U.S. citizenship. His citizenship was denied because paternity had not been established prior to his 18th birthday. The Court upheld the law, once again affirming that Congress has the power to define citizenship outside the citizenship dictated by the 14th Amendment (citizenship by birth).

      Oct 25, 2008 at 2:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      U.S. Congress moves to clarify the rules : Just how ‘American’ must a president be?
      By Elizabeth OlsonPublished: WEDNESDAY, JUNE 2, 2004
      WASHINGTON: The U.S. Constitution specifies that only a “natural born citizen” can become president of the United States, and after more than two centuries of uncertainty about the phrase, Congress is taking steps to clarify its meaning.

      As the United States has become more diverse, speculation has bubbled up in presidential races over whether contenders like Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, who was born to American parents in the Panama Canal Zone, are eligible for the nation’s highest office.

      Arnold Schwarzenegger, whose name surfaced in presidential speculation after he won California’s governorship, is now barred from the country’s top post because he was born in Austria and only obtained American citizenship in 1983.

      The constitutional wording has left doubts about whether those born on foreign soil are on an equal footing with those whose birth occurred inside the country’s borders, and whether they have the same rights.

      Senator Don Nickles, Republican of Oklahoma, wants to spell out, once and for all, who is a natural born American.

      “We should not wait for an election to be challenged,” Nickles said when he introduced his legislation in February, “and the courts to then decide what ‘natural born’ means.”

      His Natural Born Citizen Act would include children born outside the United States to citizen parents or parents able to transfer their citizenship. That would include McCain, whose parents were citizens, as well as an estimated two million others who, according to government figures, have been born to U.S. parents living and working overseas.

      Such clarification “provides comfort and certainty to members of the American military and foreign services,” Nickles explained, “as well as expatriate families, that their children, too, are eligible to run for president.

      “These children are no less qualified than children born on American soil, and they should not be treated differently,” he said.

      Although it is generally accepted that birth-right citizenship includes both those born on U.S. soil and overseas to U.S. citizen parents, it was not always the case, said T. Alexander Aleinikoff, a constitutional scholar who will shortly become dean of Georgetown University Law School in Washington.

      It took Congress until 1790 to pass the Immigration and Naturalization Act, he said, which gave citizenship to children born overseas — but only when the father was a U.S. citizen. In 1934, it was extended to include the children of mothers who were American citizens.

      But whether people born in those circumstances can serve as president has never been set in legal concrete because it has never been challenged, said Aleinikoff, who specializes in citizenship issues.

      “The Constitution does not say you have to be born in the United States, so there is room to decide what ‘natural born’ means, but the informal interpretation that we all accept has never been tested,” he said.

      “Clearly, though, Article 3 of the Constitution indicates anybody who is naturalized is not natural born, and this is a ridiculous provision,” he said in an interview. “Foreign born people have served as governors of states that are larger than many countries.”

      Currently about 11 percent of the U.S. population, or about 28 million people, were born outside the United States. That means that about 1 in 10 U.S. residents cannot run for president, a fact that has grabbed the attention of the growing number of adoptive parents of children born abroad.

      When their children learn about the U.S. government in school, many begin to realize that part of the American dream can never be theirs – that you can grow up to be anything, including president.

      The Constitution’s restrictions, said 9-year-old Maria Rinehart-Jones, who was adopted from China and now lives in New York, are “a bad idea because not all Americans who run for president will be as good at it as a Chinese American might be.”

      “And, if they don’t change the law,” she said, “no one will ever know that.”

      The number of foreign-born children adopted by Americans rose to more than 21,000 last year. Adoption groups estimate that over that past 15 years, about 190,000 children have been adopted into American homes.

      The legislation “underlines how Americans look at families with adopted kids,” said David Youtz, president of Families with Children from China of Greater New York. “Adopted kids are not to be denied the same rights as biological children.”

      The Constitution specifies that in addition to being “natural born,” the president must be 35 years old and with a minimum 14-year residency in the country. The same applies to the vice president.

      Nickles’s legislation, inspired by an aide who adopted two children from Eastern Europe, does not address immigrants’ right to hold America’s highest office. But his colleague Orrin Hatch, Republican of Utah, who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee, last year introduced a constitutional amendment to loosen the prohibition on foreign-born citizens serving as president.

      The Constitution’s framers chose the term “natural born” not only to highlight the need for allegiance, but also to eliminate the possibility that foreigners could exert power over the fledgling government, according to constitutional experts. Since then, immigrants have served in the highest posts in nearly every other facet of American life.

      Hatch’s proposal would allow anyone who has been a U.S. citizen for 20 years, and completed 14 years of residency to serve as president. (Earlier legislative proposals, also yet to be passed, would require immigrants to be naturalized for 35 years before becoming eligible to be president.)

      But Nickles figures that his bill may have a better chance of becoming law quickly because amending the Constitution is typically a years-long process requiring two-third votes in each House of Congress and approval by 38 states.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 2:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      Peter Pan, of course I’ll remember my decision, proudly.

      Just like McCain’s own adviser (+ several other conservatives/Repubs), I now realize more than ever that McPalin are not the best choice for this country + will be glad to cast my vote for Obama + Biden in Nov.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 3:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Sue Deaunym
      Sue Deaunym

      Beautiful!!!

      If you actually read the stuff you dumped on here (mostly about adopted or nationalized children, those with paternity issues, or citing examples of previuous office-holders), it is clear: you’re wrong! NOTHING would define a child born overseas to an American citizen as being anything but natural-born. The best quote YOU provided is from Aleinikoff: “The Constitution does not say you have to be born in the United States, so there is room to decide what ‘natural born’ means. . .”

      You really should learn to read, and try to comprehend; it might minimize the nonsense you spew. . .

      Oct 25, 2008 at 3:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      Sue Deaunym

      You will not and can not make what you want come true by rambling on without facts, facts that I have given you over and over, facts that have been proven and tested over and over and we still come back to the same old rule.

      If anyone is proven not be have been born in the USA, they can not become president.

      They tried this with several other great people, one who I have knwon personally as a family and personal friend since I was a child, Lowell Weicker, who is a good man, and would have been a great president, but he tood up and said that he was not able too because of the Constitution and his being born overseas.

      HOW MUCH MORE do you need?

      Many people who become therapist do so because of their own emotional problems, in fact, I know many like you who have done so,

      Take your problems and go argue these mindless debates with someone who will fall for your insanity, I will not.

      You are trying to catch your tail, around and around and around, when the answer it right in front of you and in the many examples I so kindly offered.

      BTW, I’m a Constitutional Party member, worked with the Paul campaign, met with Paul up in NH, continue to work with His Liberty movement, am getting involved in town Government in NE Connectituct to start the change on the Local levels and will fight to my death to keep our Constitution the most important document of our Republic.

      I hope you have learned some things, like we are not a democracy, that you have to be born here to be president, and that there are people who will never give into Facism, or a Socialist Maxist Government,

      Funny how you started a battle here based on lies and incorrect assumptions and you are not even voting for “BO”.

      Very weird!

      Oct 25, 2008 at 3:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Sue Deaunym
      Sue Deaunym

      TVGAS,

      You’ve proven my point (having not even read your own postings), you’ve lost (albeit not gracefully), and you know it (but can’t seem to admit it).

      I’ll ignore further posts from you.

      Oct 25, 2008 at 3:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jana
      Jana

      It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that TGVAS is a 57 year old, never been married, racist loser, that still lives in his mother’s basement…go out and get a life or have mommy get the basement walls rubberized you lunatic!

      Oct 25, 2008 at 4:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      Jana

      Married Twice, divorced Twice, first one was a drug addict, when I found her shooting Coke into her veins that was it, drove back to the NE, we never talked again, she did the same awful thing to her next three husbands.

      Second, we are still, after 17 years Best friends, talk to one another no less then 6 times a day, totally platonic, I take care of her, am there for her in a moments notice, she’s a gorgeous, highly educated blonde haired green eyed wonderful lady, kids, 24, 26, and the newer 3 and 4 year olds that I spend every waking moment with, LOVE THEM more then my life and they know it.
      Live on my farm, NE Ct, with kind neighbors who still wave as you drive by, built my own Timber frame 4700 sqft home from the mills in the area, think JFK was a greatest president, Ron Reagan a close 2nd, I gave my 78 year old mom her dream house on the property, pay her bills, most all of them, give to the needy, set up with my bank twice a year to anonymously help a family who is down and out and YES, have a bunker filled with food, supplies, medicines, just in case tshtf, I will never regret not having done so for the children in my life, never be one of those who says to themselves, (Wish I had prepared, and I will never be helpless when my neighbors are also in dire need.) I will never be one of those sad people in 1930’s Germany and Poland unable to save, protect and keep my babies from harm or sickness, evil Government or war, I am ready, you should be too.
      M I live for the best and am prepared for the very worse, learned that from my great grand mom who settled the Oklahoma Territory,
      Although I am Conservative to a high degree, I absolutely despise the KKK, Homophobic Racists and Bigots, and I will and have come to the aid of their victims when the numbers called for it.

      So, I think you have about as much ESP as Sarah Palin has the ability to be VP!

      YOU DO NOT KNOW ME!

      Oct 25, 2008 at 5:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Phoenix (The Angry Millitant Nelly Stoking the Fires of Revolution, not the Pale one)
      Phoenix (The Angry Millitant Nelly Stoking the Fires of Revolution, not the Pale one)

      Er, TGVAS & Diogenes,

      I live in a border state with Mexico (guess which one!). We know immigration law very, very well. Also, we have a lot of military bases and army brats…who were born overseas where their parents were stationed.

      Frequently, before the border tightened up, pregnant non-citizen/illegal immigrant women would wait in a border town until they went into labor and then cross to our side. Instant citizenship for baby, and right up through the 80’s almost instant citizenship for mommy.

      Plenty of my friends have been born elsewhere (such as an airforce base in Germany) in the world and are (DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUN) U.S. citizens because their serving-in-the-military parents are citizens.

      The whole citizenship question is rediculous. Both McCain and Obama are citizens. It doesn’t matter what country they were born in.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 11:03 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      Hi Phoenix
      Thanks for an intelligent post.

      Our, the United States most important document is the Constitution, it is what our founding fathers drew up during a battle with an oppressive nation, a nation that enslaved much of the world primarily to serve a world elite.

      That Constitution may be the most intelligent, researched document in the world, second to the bible, a document that brought together the greatest minds of our nation and perhaps the world, that to this day, are thought of as genius’s in their own time, and perhaps in ours as well, considering the lowering of IQ’s these days.

      MY point is, that Constitution was drawn up, not to support a Government of Hierarchy, but to give power to the People over The Government, that is it’s purpose.

      The Amendment to forbid a citizen or non-citizen born outside the USA from becoming the president was to protect this nation, it’s constitution but primarily the people from invading forces.
      Our founders knew that a often utilized way to invade and destroy an enemy was to plant foreign entities into that enemy Government, something, in fact, is the way England, Rome and Islam conquered their enemies,

      If we abolish or do another George Bush by walking all over the Constitution, especially in this amendment, we open the door to that invasion, to whatever force hates our way of life, or wishes to indoctrinate us into their way of life, RE: Islam, Communism, Marxism, …take your pick.

      If one support of our Rights is taken away, then the rest make dangerous adjustments that weaken a Constitution that, in fact, made our nation the greatest free nation on the face of the earth, and we all lose.

      So, I disagree strongly, we must adhere to the letter of our Constitution, and we must not alter it’s meaning in any form or bill, or amendment, that is what BUSH did, what Obama, and BTW, McCain wishes to do.

      If “BO” was indeed born in Kenya, then we must not allow his run for the presidency and if our Government, or any entities in that Government know that he is not eligible but refuse to stop this election, then they are declaring war on the American people, and we should respond accordingly.

      I’m not suggesting, Guns and Violence, but I am suggesting Striking where-ever it hurts them.

      If you are gay, I am not, but all gay people need to go back into History, where every Marxist, Neo-Socialist State pretty efficiently extinguished Gay people, human rights activists, anyone who believed in Self rule, freedom for each citizen.

      And that is where OBAMA is taking us, mark my word, gay people, patriots, people who believe in Our Constitutional Republic way of life will regret ever supporting a regime that will take us apart piece by piece.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 11:33 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William Dawson
      William Dawson

      To FREDO777… You stated “And they’re regurgitating the same tired smears that most of us have heard, researched, + don’t give a shit about anymore.”

      Therein lies the problem! You don’t give a shit anymore. You call them “the same tired smears”? The reality is that Obama and his campaign have yet to give truthful answers to many of the questions raised.

      A good example is Biden’s latest interview in Florida.

      This country is facing big problems no matter which canidate is elected. But one is going to take us in the wrong direction. That would be Obama in my view.

      Some people seem to think socialism is where we are headed, already there IMO. I believe the democratic part wants to take it a step further. Read up on Carl Marx. Not a lot of difference between him & Obama on their views.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 11:45 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      Carl Marx, sure, here’s another scare tactic, they would never do that, no way!!!!!!!!!!!

      YES they would, and are!

      You are correct in my opinion William, while I absolutely despise McCain, believe that somewhere back in time he and Palin ate paint chips, we are, nonetheless faced with a World Power Elite that, while running the Republican party, they feel 4-8 years of an OBAMA Mrxist regime will rally the forces and the country back to another Reagan in 2012 or beyond.

      The GOP has chosen a Wackjob to purposely lose to OBAMA, so my feeling is VOTE for the most benign candidate, someone who will never attain any kind of following, someone who everyone will be happy to get rid of one day, and then, in the meantime, we can find a REAL Candidate that represents the full interests and meaning of our Great Republic.

      An OBAMA win will ring in all of the bleeding heart, welfare, lazy give me more, Greenies and worse, the very purposeful and well organized Communist who have been trying to take this nation down since the days of Mao, and we will never get rid of them, and never be able to hand our Republic over to our children.

      Vote for McCain in order to save what we have, HECK, I’d vote for Hillary rather then OBAMA, she’s at least got some concern for the well being of the Constitution.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 11:58 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alec
      Alec

      William Dawson- good pick up on the Biden comments in Florida.

      Brabara Nash was the first one I have EVER witnessed asking the hard questions.
      And arrogant gasbag Biden was incredulous about the whole affair- then cancelled the interview that was suppose to feature his wife. Then- the Obama camp sends out a statement- that they have “cut-off” any further communications with WFTV until after the election.

      That should be a BIG concern to people regarding “freedom of speech.”

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPzkZl-euq8&feature=related

      If Obama gets in, here comes the Fairness Doctrine- and we will be at a complete LOSS for truth in any form- TV, print, internet.

      I would strenuously agree that the questionable associates of Obama should raise red flags in the minds of those- even the ones “drinking the Kool Aid” and chanting “change.”

      And yes- if Obama were white, he would have been vetted on these points, and not elected as a viable candidate by the Dems. It would have been Hillary-hands down.

      I encourage anyone who has the slightest bit of doubt to visit Google and YouTube and read about and listen to these people: Rev. Jeremiah G.D. AmeriKKKa Wright, Bill Ayres, Bernadine Dohrn, Father Pfleuger, Karl Marx, Saul Alinsky, Frank Marshall Davis, Khalid Rashidi, nation of Island leader Louis Farrakhan. And then search terms like Obama-late term abortion.

      The left-wing main stream media and the polls (which are also “in the tank” for Obama) will be rudely awakened on November 4th.
      (That is if Obama’s henchmen in ACORN and other community agitator groups don’t succeed in stealing the election by stuffing the ballot boxes.)

      The Silent Majority will again speak this election day.
      And I know that people want to vote with their hearts- and are considering “writing in” Hillary, Baldwin, Romney, Barr, Huckabee and Paul.
      And this IS a 2 party system.
      It will be either Obama or McCain Nov. 4th.
      Please vote McCain-Palin and put your precious vote to what might be to your mind-“the lesser of two evils.”
      Believe me, folks -Marxism and Socialism are LARGE evils.
      We cannot afford this kind of “change,”
      And the thought of an Obama-Pelosi-Reid “triumverate” is- to be plain- CHILLING.
      Don’t let this happen.

      McCain-Palin 2008
      http://www.obamawtf.blogspot.com
      http://www.obamafiles.com

      Oct 26, 2008 at 12:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      hahahaha

      The reality is that the smears have been addressed + answered repeatedly by the candidates; even a little fact-checking provides sufficient answers. ACORN, for instance, has been so ridiculously blown out of proportion + really just boils down to poor organization on their part + greed on the part of some of their workers (trying to “get over” on ACORN by handing in a bunch of phony registrations for money).

      As for the rest of this fearmongering rubbish about how Obama would destroy the country as we know it, how much better off are we following Dubya’s admin.? Seeing as how McCain supported Dubya in his runs for presidency (“I did everything in my power to help him get elected”) + shares far too much of Dub’s outlook to not be a total disaster, the choice should be obvious.

      Obama is a citizen, a patriot, a uniter, + a man with (to quote Joe Biden in the oft-abridged quote of late) “a spine of steel” + a steady hand.

      How can we trust McCain with the leading of this country when he can barely even run a decent, consistent, + steady campaign? Sure, you’ll say that he hasn’t run it alone; still, he hasn’t exactly done much to get it on track until very, very recently. Even then, the whole “Joe the Plumber” bus tour is just lame, lame, lame.

      Besides that, the man couldn’t even steady his temper enough to be civil + diplomatic in his debates with Senator Obama. I expected the man to leap on the table + start pecking at Obama’s eyes at any minute. Yet, we are to trust him with his finger near the button, so to speak?

      No, thanks.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 12:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Sue Deaunym
      Sue Deaunym

      Anyone who has seen this photo

      http://news.spreadit.org/mccain-tonguemccain-tongue-photomccain-debate-tongue/

      and intends to vote for McCain is in need of deportation or institutionalization.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 1:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      Alaska’s largest newspaper has endorsed Obama:

      http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/567867.html

      Cool.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 1:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ted
      Ted

      Handled right, the Fed District Court throwing out Berg for lack of standing can present a political check-mate “win” on appeal for the anti-Obama side (if not in law, in the Court of Public Opinion). Here’s how: SIMPLY SPREAD AROUND OBAMA’S APPELLATE BRIEF HAVING TO ARGUE AGAINST AN AMERICAN VOTER’S RIGHT TO RAISE THE QUESTION UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. Should be a PR disaster for the Dems and Obama!!!

      Oct 26, 2008 at 1:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William Dawson
      William Dawson

      FREDO777…it appears you’ve gone far beyond just sampling the kool-aid!

      You think

      “ACORN, for instance, has been so ridiculously blown out of proportion”.

      Our greatest right as a nation is being undermined by this group. A FREE & FAIR ELECTION!!

      How many states are now having a problem with voter registration fraud? You can add Alabama to that list now. Seven counties in that state now have more people registered to vote than possible. You can thank ACORN for that.

      From your own words I can see how you arrive at your conclusions when you say “even a little fact-checking provides sufficient answers.”

      That’s your problem. You’ve only done a “LITTLE” fact checking. I personally don’t like my tax dollars going to a far left organization promoting a political agenda.

      Least we forget their attacks on financial institutions to force them into making loans to unqualified borrowers, which is why our economy is on the verge of collapse. Think Fannie & Freddie.

      I’m afraid you haven’t done any homework.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 1:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mr C
      Mr C

      All this BULLSHIT and hating of Barack.
      QUEENS FUCKING PLEASE…
      VOTE MCCAIN,RON PAUL,OR LIBERTARIAN AND BE FUCKING DONE WITH IT ALL.

      The nastiness and statements and busllshit and internet pieces only goes to show more hate than anything else.

      This country isn’t moving towards any type of communism or anything.If he(Obama)wins and you don’t like it then move out of the country.
      You always have options!

      Truth be told if any of this shit was true the MSM would have reported it. It was fact checked more than likely false and therefore not made any issues. Not to put themselves in jeapordy of legal actions.

      BLAH,BLAH,BLAH

      And we move forward to Nov 4th and get it all over with!

      Oct 26, 2008 at 1:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William Dawson
      William Dawson

      Mr. C…You are one foul-mouthed dude.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 1:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      William Dawson
      Mr. C…You are one foul-mouthed dude.

      I agree, if you can not put your point across with dignity and intelligence, than I think it is you Mr.C who should move to another country!

      Oct 26, 2008 at 1:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      Ted
      Handled right, the Fed District Court throwing out Berg for lack of standing can present a political check-mate “win”

      Wrong, if “BO” is not of US birth, or if you believe he is, why would anyone be so driven against him showing his bc and College records, after-all, aren’t we as citizens, deserved that right?

      Oct 26, 2008 at 2:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      No, sweetheart, I’m afraid you’ve been “studying” with the likes of Hannity too much to be fair or objective.

      ACORN is not responsible for anyone being “robbed” of a fair election if they aren’t encouraging (or allowing, being that they’ve fired those actually abusing their registration program) phony voter registration. True, they need to better organize their voter registration program + refrain from paying workers until all registrations have been verified. They are required, however, to submit all registrations (even ones that are obviously bogus) + they have not been given due credit for the forms that they flagged before submission, alerting officials of the questionable nature of those forms.

      Anyway, how exactly is some kid filling out 100 fake voter registration forms (but not resulting in any actual fraudulent voting) robbing anyone of a fair election? If anything, they’re just robbing ACORN itself.

      Sounds to me like you’re the one sipping some magic kool-aid. Btw, what is your take on the GOP employing certain voter suppression tactics, including (but not limited to) trying to intimidate minority voters in New Mexico to prevent their voting fairly + freely?

      Oct 26, 2008 at 2:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William Dawson
      William Dawson

      Alec…don’t even get me started on the “Fairness Doctrine”! If Obama wins, all his critics will be silenced.

      Rush, Hannity, Bill & a few others might as well close up shop. Any hope for the truth from the media will be gone.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 2:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William Dawson
      William Dawson

      FREDO777…you ask…

      “Btw, what is your take on the GOP employing certain voter suppression tactics, including (but not limited to) trying to intimidate minority voters in New Mexico to prevent their voting fairly + freely?”

      What are the certain voter suppression tactics being used and how are they trying to intimidate minority voters in New Mexico to prevent their voting fairly + freely.

      Afraid I’m not up to speed on this one. Please explain.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 2:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William Dawson
      William Dawson

      FREDO777…I noticed you didn’t weigh in on this about ACORN when you responded to my post.

      “Least we forget their attacks on financial institutions to force them into making loans to unqualified borrowers, which is why our economy is on the verge of collapse. Think Fannie & Freddie.”

      Oct 26, 2008 at 2:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      William Dawson
      Alec…don’t even get me started on the “Fairness Doctrine”! If Obama wins, all his critics will be silenced.

      Rush, Hannity, Bill & a few others might as well close up shop. Any hope for the truth from the media will be gone.

      You make alot of sense, deeper thinking then most!

      Oct 26, 2008 at 4:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alec
      Alec

      It was a lovely Sunday afternoon- so I decided to respond to an empty headed blogger who was going on about the “non-stories” about Sarah Palin-
      Pissed me off so after having written it- I am trying to post it around.
      And guess what- surprise, surprise.
      Almost 75% of the sites block the content.
      Have any of you had similar experiences when trying to blog?

      I think The Fairness Doctrine might already be in place in some parts of cyberspece.

      And I am always quite careful about my choice of words, don’t swear or otherwise cast aspursions.

      Well anyway- here it is:

      Yet another Palin-bashing story based on “unidentified sources.”
      When you are getting close to the finish line- you just have to start “inventing” storylines.

      Here’s what the REAL HEADLINE NEWS story should be in the mainstream media today:

      Obama is not just satisfied that they have successfully manipulated the mainstream media and keeping valuable information FROM the American people. They actually “cut off communcations with a leading Orlando Florida television station, WFTV- because reporter Barbara West- had the audacity to ask Joe Biden the hard questions.

      Biden, his usual, arrogant self- was visibly annoyed:
      Link to interview:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjX8wQPMADk

      How DARE THEY? What gives them the POWER to do this?

      The Obama campaign cancelled the scheduled upcoming interview with Jill Biden – and “cuts off a major television station.

      Every time “something” is brought up about Obama’s past and present associations- is “dismissed.” It’s poo-pooed. FINALLY many Americans are getting wise to Obama’s Chicago “thug” politics. Back in his hometown- his constituents call these henchmen “brown shirts.” Political “muscle” to get things done HIS way- or ELSE. That’s how he won the senate election in Illinois. Obama lawyers and others- got RID of the competition.

      The Obama camp has manipulated the mainstream media since day one and his comment to Joe the Plumber’s question about taxes- “spread the wealth around”- is pure socialism.
      what happens? The Obama “machine” hacks into the Ohio state records to get “dirt” on Joe- about his divorce, back taxes, licensure. For all intents and purposes- ruin his life!
      How dare they? What gives “THEM” the power to do this?

      Then- there was the lady in Lufkin, TX- who was called by an Obama pollster on her cell phone- to ask her to vote for Obama. She said, “No I won’t support Obama. He is a socialist and supports infantacide.”
      Next day- the Secret Service shows up on her porch!
      How DARE they? What gives them the POWER to do this?

      And then there’s Obama’s minions that he bought and paid for- and they endorse him!- stuffing ballot boxes all around the country.
      They should have their non-profit status revoked and all taxpayer money to be paid back!
      How can they get away with it?
      Why isn’t Barack calling them on it???
      Hmmmm…..

      Is this NOT socialist behavior? Imagine if John McCain or Sarah Palin had done that- after all the “gotcha journalism” and bashing they have had to endure.

      Real God fearing Americans who love our country, support our troops and QUESTION the inexperience of this man. Who is he – and why do the above examples “smack” of a closed, Hitleresque society. Who is this guy- and how DARE he?
      He is arrogant and elitist and talk about us God fearing folks are “Bitter Americans -who cling to our guns and religion.”

      We question- unlike the mainstream media who is totally in the tank for Obama- (Heck Chris Mathews-MSNBC-gets “tingly feelings down his legs when Obama speaks” How sticky gooey is that?

      So yes- Bill Ayres is an unrepentent terrorist and everyone in Hyde Park -including Obama and his wife, knew about his past and celebrated it.
      Obama “blurbed” Ayres radical book in 2006, which preaches an overhaul of the juvenile justice system. Give lesser sentences to drug dealers, rapists and murderers because they are kids.
      Kind of like saying the Menendez brothers should throw themselves on the mercy of the court because they are orphans!
      Please! And that’s just the mindset of the fundraising monies that Ayres and Obama raised- to “radicalize” the Chicago school system.

      Then there is a list of “other people of Obama’s who are friends that don’t matter like Rev. G.D. AmeriKKKa Wright, Khalid Rashidi, , Frank Davis Marshall, Moammar Kaddahfi, nation of Island leader Louis Farrakhan (who has called Obama The Messiah.) The list goes on and on and now- these attacks on private citizenry happen and the media is “cut off.”

      If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

      You think Rush was angry?
      Well the American people are angry that this major fraud has been perpetrated.
      And The Silent Majority- I predict- will turn out in record numbers on November 4 and before- to prevent the takeover of the Land we Love.

      God Bless America
      McCain-Palin 2008
      And please folks- even though you want to “vote your heart” for Hillary, Huckabee, Baldwin, Nader, Romney, Barr or Paul- DON’T DO IT!
      It’s a 2 party race and it will either be Obama or McCain. Don’t waste your precious voice when an election is so close.
      And it’s outcome is so VITALLY important.
      Obama as President and Pelosi and Reid controlling the House and Senate?
      This “triumverate” is truly, bone chillingly scary.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 4:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William Dawson
      William Dawson

      Alec…I so hope this turns out to be right,

      “And The Silent Majority- I predict- will turn out in record numbers on November 4 and before- to prevent the takeover of the Land we Love.”

      Oct 26, 2008 at 5:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      Here’s the link to the article about the voter suppression issues in New Mexico:

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/24/new-mexico-minority-voter_n_137499.html

      I’m sure you could also check a few other sources for more instances.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 5:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      As for the ACORN mortgage business, I didn’t respond to that aspect of your post because it was not relevant to the Obama smear of voter fraud that I was discussing.

      Btw, why do I get the distinct impression that “Alec” is a paid blog plant, spreading the McPalin talking points in the blogosphere? Curiouser + curiouser…

      Oct 26, 2008 at 5:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alec
      Alec

      No such luck, Fredo.
      Not a paid blog plant- just someone who has been watching and researching this campaign for months and getting more and more disgusted with the mainstream media- and how they have been perpetrating a fraud upon the American people.
      As to “the ACORN Mortgage business”- I may have missed one of your previous posts, but Obama was a community organizer for ACORN, was ACORN’S attorney and he was a trainer- who taught recruits how to (again) strongarm and threaten bankers and other lenders – to give loans to unqulaified Buyers in the hey day of Freddie/Fannie.
      The Obama campaign gave ACORN $832,000 to ACORN.
      They are outright in support of Obama- and are also garnering tax payer monies- and have a non-profit status.
      Why are WE -as Americans- paying to put Obama in office?
      Curiouser and Curiouser

      Oh yeah- one more thing- as to your post about the Anchorage paper endorsing Obama.
      Newspapers are part of the left wing media machine PLUS they have an agenda because they are dinosaurs looking into the jaws of extinction- due to the internet.
      BUT- if (shudder) Obama gets in- the Fairness Doctrine will be re-instated and they HOPE that magically- their subscriptions and advertising will go up.

      But that’s just more silly thoughts of Gannett ad execs, who have been dutifully drinking the Kool Aid and smoking the funny green stuff and are under the spell of the messiah and his promises.

      Oh yeah- a more likely scenario- they were bought by the Obama campaign.
      I used to be a journalist and I know how this “one hand washes the other” political game is played.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 6:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William Dawson
      William Dawson

      TVGAS…I try to stay informed, especially since 9/11. Like you, I have stocked up on food and have a plan.

      What most people don’t know.

      About 5 or 6 weeks ago the Israeli’s asked the U.S. for permission to attack Iran. Why now? I’ll give you my opinion.

      Russia has sold Iran a billion dollar missile defense shield that is being put in place as we speak. Once it’s in place the Israeli’s will have a hard time getting in there to destroy Iran’s nuclear facilities.

      Also, Iran is spreading out their defense ministry. We know this from our satellite views. It’s been centrally located until recently.

      We already know Israel will not let Akmadinajad acquire nuclear weapons. They’ve proven that with Iraq & Syria. Now Israel has a problem. Under this administration or a McCain administration Israel knows the U.S. will back them.

      Under an Obama administration, Israel feels they’ll lose that backing. And let’s not forget Akmadinajad’s threat to shut down the Strait of Hormuz in the event of an attack on them.

      Seventy five percent of the worlds oil supply comes thru there! It would cripple us if that were to happen. There won’t be any food being delivered around the U.S. That’s a fact.

      Let us also not forget the Russian armada is playing war games with Venezuela. First time ever they’ve been located off this continent. Now they are moving (or have moved) into the Caribbean. For those of you who don’t know, that’s 7000 islands off our coast and it includes the Bahamas which is only 45 miles from Ft. Lauderdale.

      Will Israel attack Iran? I don’t know but their past actions leads me to believe there is a good chance they will.

      Now I have to wonder if Biden’s comments the other day had anything to do with this. He did say Obama would be tested in the first 6 months, should he win the election. And the part that worries me the most, he said we will have to stand behind Obama even if it looks like he made the wrong decision.

      That begs to question, is the U.S. going to sellout Israel if Obama is elected and they decide to take out Iran’s nuclear facilities? I’m sure some of you will get a big Ha Ha out of this but you need to think seriously about it.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 6:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alec
      Alec

      Mr. Dawson,

      No ha ha’s from me- as I have been watching this seriously watching this Iran-Israeli situation as well.
      The good news is Achmedinajad has “work exhaustion” as reported by the news goons today.
      Tough stuff working 20 hours a day being an evil dictator.

      I have been warning my Jewish friends here in the States- especially in New York and Florida- about this possibility.
      Of course, the majority of them are left wing leftoes.
      The irony of all this is that the basis of Black Liberation Theology as preached by Rev. G.D. AmeriKKKA Wright to his parishoners – including Obama- is hating Jews. It’s called “white envy” and Jews are at the top of the list.
      It’s class warfare and “the haves and the have nots.”
      Karl Marx started it and James Cone embellished upon it.

      I wish that many of the people who participate on this blog (who sound quite intellectual and reasonable, for the most part)- if they can open their minds enough to just Google Black Liberation Theology- or- if not a reader- catch a YouTube video,
      I guarantee that a few eyes might be opened.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 6:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      “Newspapers are part of the left wing media machine”

      I pretty much threw out everything else you stated upon reading that line.

      Sorry, chief.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 7:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alec
      Alec

      Freddo-

      Do you not READ the New York Post, the New York Times, The Washington Post, Newsweek— ad nauseum.

      They are almost as embarrassing as Chris Mathews and Keith Overbite-
      These people are absolutely shameless.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 7:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William Dawson
      William Dawson

      FREDO777…”I pretty much threw out everything else you stated upon reading that line.”

      Being closed-minded is a handicap for anyone. I consider myself an independent with a conservative view but I still watch Keith Olbermann as disgusting as he is. Heck, I even watch “The View” on occasion! I want to hear the spin from both sides so I can make an informed decision.

      Maybe if you were a little more open-minded you would have a clearer idea of what’s going on.

      BTW…do you live in San Francisco? Just wondering because of your views and the fact that you previously addressed me as “sweetheart”. Then again, maybe you’re of the female variety.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 7:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      Hey FREDO777

      You know, I’m a conservative, strict in my beliefs all my life, pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, RON PAUL supporter for the last 7 years, and I am straight, Butt, I really hate bigots, racists, people who feel that because another persons views, beliefs and sexual preferences are different from theirs that that gives people like you the right to damn them, treat them less then how you wish to be treated, so, Eff off, The Patriot Community that I belong to doesn’t need your kind, and we don’t want your kind on our side,

      You would never be welcome over at Frugal Squirrel, though we are very conservative, no one there likes your kind at all, we are all Americans, and each of us deserves to live our lives as “we” each see fit, as long as it dosen’t hurt another. Piss off!

      Oct 26, 2008 at 7:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • crazylove
      crazylove

      An open mind doesn’t mean a lack of judgment about when one is talking to a lunatic.

      The right seems to confuse what the left is saying. We aren’t saying your ideas are bad because we haven’t listened to them. They are bad because we are empiricists. Your ideals have been tried. They have failed.

      I am not going to go back and forth with many of you no more than I would go back and forth with a crazy guy talking to himself on the train or a guy who is obviously drunk. What would be the the point? To prove some kind of fake tolerance? Tolerance doesn’t mean listening to crazy people, no more than being open means letting someone drive us over the cliff. Until you get that’s why you are losing and will be in the wilderness for a generation, nothing will matter.

      I have some conservative friends. The honest ones admit that what’s happening to you is because your ideals failed. The rest are just whiny bitches like many of you along this thread.

      I believe it was Grover Norquist- the conservative head of the club for growth- who once said he would like to consign liberals to the dustbins of history.

      I think karma’s a bitch. Now suck on it bitches.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 7:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      You think the NY Post is biased in Obama’s favor?

      haha

      Oct 26, 2008 at 8:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William Dawson
      William Dawson

      Alec…”No ha ha’s from me- as I have been seriously watching this Iran-Israeli situation as well.” (corrected quote for you)

      Thank you. At least I know I’m not crazy and this hat I’m wearing is not made of tinfoil.

      What bothers me most about this election is the number of people that will be voting who don’t have a clue about what’s going on. My neighbors are good examples.

      Most are voting Republican mainly because we live in a military area. Even so, most are still clueless.

      Over the past few months I have asked them questions like…”Who would be president if Bush were to die and Chaney had a heart attack. NOT ONE knew it would be Pelosi. (Can you imagine Pelosi as president?!!) Three quarters of them didn’t even know who she is. This is shameful!

      I believe everyone should have the right to vote but I also believe there should be some kind of test in place to be qualified. Something simple, like, who is the vice president?

      If you can’t answer that, you shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 8:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      “Being closed-minded is a handicap for anyone.”

      I wasn’t talking to you when I made that statement, first of all.

      Secondly, what you call closed-minded, I call intolerance for bullshit. I make no apologies for that.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 8:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      Tgvas, I only welcome any chance to “eff off” + separate myself from those like you.

      Thanks.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 8:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alec
      Alec

      Dear Mr. Dawson,
      Thanks for the correction- sometimes my mind get ahead of my fingers and vice versa.
      Need to rely more on my old editing skills- but none of us are a young as we used to be!
      Loved your “tinfoil hat” comment- because believe me- I’ve had that feeling too.

      And again- we are in agreement about the stupidity of the electorate.

      I don’t subscribe to Howard Stern- but someone sent me a “man on the street” bit that one of his guys did.
      He goes up to Harlem and interviews Obama supporters- but “transposes” John McCain’s views and economic plans with that of Obama.

      But the best part was when he posed the question:
      “What do you think of Barack Obama’s pick of Sarah Palin to be his running mate?”

      The answers will FLOOR you!
      But- they were all for it!
      They want Sarah to be his VP!!!
      Great idea- wonderful choice- Barack really knows how to pick ‘em!

      It’s too scary to be funny

      OMG

      Oct 26, 2008 at 8:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William Dawson
      William Dawson

      FREDO777…”Secondly, what you call closed-minded, I call intolerance for bullshit.”

      Are you saying Obama shouldn’t sit down & talk to Akmadinajad? That goes against what he wants to do. Will this change your vote?

      Oct 26, 2008 at 8:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William Dawson
      William Dawson

      Alec…it is scary. I’ve seen this coming since Viet Nam. That’s when the radical left wing professors were installed into our university’s and they began indoctrinating & brainwashing our youth.

      Now they’re doing the same thing in our public school system. High school, middle school and even our elementary schools.

      This didn’t happen overnight. It’s been a long time coming. They are a persistant bunch.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 8:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      fredo777
      Tgvas, I only welcome any chance to “eff off” + separate myself from those like you.

      Then good, you’re seperated!

      Oh what a relif it is!

      Oct 26, 2008 at 8:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alec
      Alec

      Mr. Dawson,

      You are correct- the radical left ARE a persistant bunch- so is Al Qaeda.

      I was with two, well educated (private school high school prep, prep and U of FL grads) and Teddy Kenndy came on the screen (before he got sick, bless his heart) and I said
      “He makes me sick. He is a liar and a thief and he killed Mary Jo Kopechne and the government covered it up and he got away with it. And there the bloated drunk sits, making policy and making millions.”
      I probably said lots more- but they looked at me blankly and said “Who’s Mary Jo Kopechne? What’s Chappaquiddick?”

      To their CREDIT- they wanted to know and immediately started to educate themselves on this- and other issues we discussed last night.

      I was appalled- not at them- because they are brilliant young men- But appalled at the American Educational system !

      That’s why your original comments ring so true-
      Young people are so woefully uneducated by OUR system.
      And these young voters have no frame of reference about history- and the perils we face with Obama and his socialist ideals.

      Another little “ray of hope”- Obama’s REALLY left-left supporters are leaving him because of his “disavowing” Rev. Wright and Ayres.
      They might not vote McCain, God knows.
      But they probably won’t vote for BO because he has moved too far to the center and the Hyde Park crowd, San Fran elite etc etc etc- feels that all those bodies “under the bus”-
      The natives are restless !
      LOL

      Oct 26, 2008 at 8:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      “Akmadinajad”…

      Ahmadinejad?

      Oct 26, 2008 at 9:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • crazylove
      crazylove [Different person #1 using similar name]

      Jesus- the internet is full of a lot of nutjobs. You people are great material for my writing. Thanks.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 9:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alec
      Alec

      Who cares if “Achmed-I need a dinner jacket’s” name is misspelled, Fredo?
      He wants to obliterate Israel- not “just” a holocaust- WIPE it off the map.
      And Farrakhan – leader of the Nation of Islam- has pronounced that BO is “The Messiah.
      And if you read all the rest of the “world views” BO should be “king of the world.”- France, Germany, UK, Australia, Japan, China, Russia- WHY DO THEY ALL WANT OBAMA to be “king of the world?”

      Becaue

      Oct 26, 2008 at 10:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alec
      Alec

      Computer glitch there-
      Because the Euros and the Asians have lived through socialist and communist reigns- and they are hoping for Obama to get in- so he will “deliver the United States on a Silver platter.”
      Their “lips are dripping” for an Obama Nation.”

      Oct 26, 2008 at 10:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William Dawson
      William Dawson

      It’s alright if the only thing FREDO777 can come with is to attack my spelling. Besides, I got the spelling from a left wing media site. He can take it up with them. I do know how to pronounce it though. LOL

      Oct 26, 2008 at 10:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      Well, Billy, if you knew how to pronounce it, you’d have known that the spelling must have been wrong.

      And, Alec, I care how his name is spelled, which is why I corrected him. I don’t need your approval to call someone out on their misspelling of words/proper nouns while trying to impress with their so-called knowledge of a subject. As for why more nations want Obama to lead this country than others, it’s likely because they’ve got as much sense as the majority of Americans polled who want the same thing.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 10:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William Dawson
      William Dawson

      Geeze FREDO777…why so sensitive? BTW, I’m certainly not trying to impress you. Just posting my opinions.

      In any case, you say…

      “As for why more nations want Obama to lead this country than others, it’s likely because they’ve got as much sense as the majority of Americans polled who want the same thing.”

      Is that why the Canadian Prime Minister and the head of the EU are so nervous about Obama being elected? Think NAFTA.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 11:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William Dawson
      William Dawson

      I can tell you why they are nervous. I remember back when Obama & Clinton were fighting to win the primary.

      Obama said he would renegotiate the NAFTA agreement with Canada to make it more favorable to the U.S. At the same time he sent a campaign advisor to Canada to tell them not to worry. This was just campaign rhetoric.

      Now, with all his flip/flops, Canada is not sure they can trust him. Will he or won’t he renegotiate? I don’t know. I guess it depends on what audience he’s playing for at the time you ask him.

      Oct 26, 2008 at 11:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      Ah, speaking of flip-flopping:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5-DnNsoA5Y

      Johnny Mac sure does his share.

      As for the “sensitivity” thing, I’m not all that sensitive. To be honest, I don’t much give a shit. I’ve already decided whom I’m casting my vote for. All of this is just a nice way to waste a little time.

      Oct 27, 2008 at 12:18 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William Dawson
      William Dawson

      FREDO777…you say…

      “Ah, speaking of flip-flopping:”

      “Johnny Mac sure does his share.”

      No argument here FREDO. As I’ve already stated, I don’t care much for either candidate. I just think McCain is the lesser of 2 evils. At least he’s been tested under the most extreme conditions. And he passed!

      I prefer capitalism over socialism or Marxism. Socialism is already at our doorstep and it could be here to stay. But Obama might lead us down that last road. Marxism!! You can take that chance if you want. Not me, if I have a choice.

      Too bad there are people like you (truly uninformed) that may make that choice for me.

      Oct 27, 2008 at 1:09 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • crazylove
      crazylove [Different person #1 using similar name]

      ditto on what Fredo said. I love all these diatribes by several of the posters here going on and on and on as if what you think matters. Let’s be clear- it doesn’t. The die is cast. McCain lost. Obama won. Reagan conservatism like communism before it will go into the dustbin of history. And you are left with the crazy rants online. Anyway. I am done with my real work, and now I am just here to be distracted. Bed time.

      Oct 27, 2008 at 1:17 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MEN-SOR
      MEN-SOR

      how can you all sleep @ night knowing that a third class citizen could possibly be the president of our beautiful country in just two weeks?

      if barack hussein obama gets into power, terrorists will reign free and the poor will get rich and the rich will get poor. obama will only look after his own herd of uncivilized apes and corruption will plague the newly-instated black government.

      WE CANNOT LET THIS HAPPEN!

      ON POLLING DAY, MAKE SURE YOU VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN AND SARAH PALIN. A VOTE FOR THE REPUBLICANS, IS A VOTE FOR THE PRESERVATION OF OUR WHITE COUNTRY.

      MCCAIN PALIN 08!!!

      Oct 27, 2008 at 3:14 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mr C
      Mr C

      OK, The great Ronald Reagan did the poor and unfortunate a GREAT DIS-SERVICE while he was President but the rich loved him and they should have. He was all for Capitalism and that only.

      And as far as this SOCIALISM BULL. When you see deductions come out of your paycheck saying a deduction for the poor. Then we can say YES we are a SOCIALIST nation. I can’t believe this BULL being said.

      If McCain wins you all will shut up whatever he does because you can identify with him. Or at least that’s the belief. YES I’m saying skin color.

      I hope none of you ever fall on bad times if you save funds or not because a tragedy can happen at any time and there’s your “RAINY DAY” and once your savings is all absorbed and you still can’t find work.
      OH WELL the government won’t give any temporary assistance because you’re not worth it we don’t believe in helping you only the wealthy we take care of.

      OK, well they won’t help and you still haven’t found work. So what’s the next result, CRIME?
      WOW, that’s great solution.

      And William, McCain’s been tested how,
      Being a prisoner of War?????
      That is no reason to become President. AT ALL!

      And I really don’t see what in the Senate he has done that’s so FANTABULOUS.

      Personally, and NO I don’t any of you.
      I still believe RACE has a lot to do with all these stories flying across here in opposition of Obama because if this was Hillary it wouldn’t be so oblivious.

      Capitalism is great however we now see the greed and fuck ups behind it. Give them tax breaks and they just move the jobs off-shore FUCK AMERICA but thanks for the tax break.

      No I’d rather have someone fighting for the working people not give the big shots the pleasure constantly screwing things up.

      But that’s me and I don’t think any of you on here with the comments sits in the same room with Bill Gates, or Warren Buffet.

      We all go to work daily giving a hard days work for a hard days pay. And pay taxes accordingly. So if for any reason we lose our jobs we should be able to receive assistance from the temporary government(i.e unemployment,etc) until we find work again. And if that is consider SOCIALISM.

      Then count me in!

      AND MISS MEN-SOR…….YOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED!!

      Oct 27, 2008 at 5:55 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mr C
      Mr C

      Excuse that typo errors part I meant:
      OK, The great Ronald Reagan did the poor an unfortunate GREAT DIS-SERVICE while he was President but the rich loved him and they should have. He was all for Capitalism and that only.

      That’s what I meant to say!

      Oct 27, 2008 at 5:58 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      McCain has been tested under the most extreme conditions + he passed?

      Is it not true that he tried to commit suicide while in Hanoi?

      As for the “truly uninformed” slight, you are completely wrong.

      Oct 27, 2008 at 9:40 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • crazylove
      crazylove [Different person #1 using similar name]

      The funny this is that we are a socialist country. We can see this in the form of regressive tax structure which provides lower taxes to the wealthy, but higher taxes to everyone else. We can see this in the form of the Paulson bailout plan which the Democrats had to modify in order to give us voters an ownership stake. This is all pretty much a joke. The whole socialist versus capaitalist thing. You aren’t capitalist if you don’t believe in a progressive tax structure that is based on ability to pay, but instead endorses McCain’s transfer of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy. You aer a socialist. Just in the opposite direction. Make no mistake. Those are the choices. We aren’t arguing over “capitalism” here, and even if we were, you would still lose the argument. Because the failure of capitalism in its purist form has failed across the planet from Latin America in the 1990s to Japan in the early 90s to the US. Capitalism isn’t God. It can mess up. It needs to be regulated as a result. The cult of Greenspan is dying. You people are just the last little vestiges trying to hold the rest of us back. Thank the real God you will be increasingly irrelevant.

      Oct 27, 2008 at 10:28 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • crazylove
      crazylove [Different person #1 using similar name]

      By the way- back to the we are a socialist country. Right now-t he argument being put out by the GOP and its online trolls is that we need to return to Reaganism/free market fundamentalism, and yet, that argument across the board in Congressional, Presidential and state races is being met with certain defeat. You nutjobs are a losing. Your idealogical perspective is losing. We aren’t socialist. But it is funny to watch you run against socialism,a nd still lose anyway. That should tell you just how much everyone hates you.

      Oct 27, 2008 at 10:32 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • seitan-on-a-stick
      seitan-on-a-stick

      Seriously though:

      Democrats, Vote November 4th!

      Republicans, Vote November 5th

      Oct 27, 2008 at 1:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
    • tgvas
      tgvas

      Why do we, or for that matter, should we accept any of these people to be king of our country?

      This is not the way it was suppose to be, not even close.

      Our Nation was successfully defeated in 1913, 1963 and again in 2008, and we continue to allow it.

      Government was meant to be a miniscule entity in America, it was suppose to be ruled by the people, laws were suppose to be the Bill of Rights, supported by the federalist papers, in fact, there was not suppose to be Income Tax, and it was suppose to be The People, not the Politicians, certainly not the Federal Government controling food, medicine, money.

      So, we all sit here arguing about Obama, McCain, and we get no where, and will get no where because that is the way the PTB want it to be, want us to be.

      This Government has been teaching our children that the US is a democracy, when it is clearly a Constitutional Republic.

      We have come so far from where we were, where the issues, rules and guidelines that made the US the greatest nation on earth, then virtually no one even understands our origin, and thus, we are all becoming slaves.

      Oct 27, 2008 at 6:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      Judge tosses lawsuit challenging Obama citizenship:

      http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/oct/25/judge-tosses-lawsuit-challenging-obama-citizenship/

      Oct 27, 2008 at 8:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mr C
      Mr C

      If that’s the case my dear TVGAS We were always slaves

      Oct 28, 2008 at 3:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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