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Branding Prison Rape As an Epidemic

THE SHOT — The new promotional campaign from Just Detention International, the human rights group fighting to end sexual abuse in incarceration, whose cause was just backed by a new federal study released this month that found “3 out of every 25 youths in state and privately run juvenile correctional facilities have experienced at least one incident of sexual victimization.”

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On:           Jan 21, 2010
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  • 30 Comments
    • Fitz
      Fitz

      Does 3 out of 25 differ at all from the general population? Shotty.

      Jan 21, 2010 at 11:43 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dontblamemeivotedforhillary
      dontblamemeivotedforhillary

      1 in 3 Gay Youth experience Violence, including Rape. Why is that not important?

      Jan 21, 2010 at 11:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jaroslaw
      Jaroslaw

      I’d be surprised if was as low as 3/25. I certainly have seen newscasts where some prison’s treat their inmates rather nicely, and another show where frivolous lawsuits filed by in mates nationwide take up 20-35% of the civil docket (i.e. crunchy vs. smooth peanut butter). Really. So I can see why sympathy for the incarcerated may not be very high.

      BUT no one should be sexually abused, no matter what.

      Glad to see something is being done, finally.

      Jan 21, 2010 at 12:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      I wonder also if the numbers are a little low because I’ve heard that many men in prison won’t report the rapes for fear of more retaliation or that guards etc… won’t take the rape reports because it looks bad for the prisons statistics etc…

      Jan 21, 2010 at 12:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Fitz
      Fitz

      @Cam: Adult and youth prisons are very different. I have done a little work in JJ, but a lot in adult. rape isn’t as big an issue anymore… hasn’t been. Hideous levels of violence? You bet. But it’s not as sexualized as it used to be. For adults.

      Jan 21, 2010 at 12:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jaroslaw
      Jaroslaw

      #5 Fitz – not doubting you, just curious why prison rape is not as big a deal as it used to be?

      Jan 21, 2010 at 12:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Tallskin
      Tallskin

      Are these stats on rape broken down by race?

      which race is raping which race in prison?

      Jan 21, 2010 at 12:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 1EqualityUSA
      1EqualityUSA

      They should be safe from violent sexual attacks. It’s deplorable that a country as innovative as ours still has this happening. My dream prison would be this. Everybody gets their own cell with basic amenities. The prisoners would be let out at 6:00 am to work for eight hours. The work would be compensated with the equivalent of those bluechip stamps from the 60’s. With those stamps, they could buy light after 7:00pm, access to classes or gymnasiums, Thai food on the weekend or whatever they want, fines for bad behavior, resulting in stamps reduced significantly, the ability to have limited access to computers, television, sports channels, art supplies, etcetera. The prison system costs could be offset by the forty hour work weeks of the prisoners. The prisoners would see the correlation between working hard and getting extras. The ones that refused to work would get basic amenities and lights out at 7:00 pm with no amenities. Sexual violence would come down if they were busy making a living behind bars. What do you all think of this?

      Jan 21, 2010 at 12:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Fitz
      Fitz

      @Jaroslaw: I honestly don’t have an empirical answer for you, just my instinct based upon my work: At the larger state and some of the fed prisons, there are homo-wards, and (frankly) there is plenty of ass to go around. The violence is very very very serious, and people get killed in prison all the time, but I don’t think that rape happens very much anymore.

      Jan 21, 2010 at 1:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • B
      B

      No. 6 · Jaroslaw wrote, “#5 Fitz – not doubting you, just curious why prison rape is not as big a deal as it used to be?”

      Something to consider is the effect of the “three strikes” law in California (and any similar legislation elsewhere). Over time, that increases the mean age of the prison population, and there is on the average less sexual activity as people get older. Also fewer sexually attractive potential victims as a fraction of the total inmate population.

      You might want to see how much of a decrease can be explained by an increase in mean age.

      Jan 21, 2010 at 3:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jaroslaw
      Jaroslaw

      #10 B I hadn’t thought of the age increasing as a factor, but it might just be that men overall are developing a little bit? I mean 100 years ago, woman was property, couldn’t vote, couldn’t own anything, if (God forbid) a divorce took place, the man kept the children, woman’s feelings weren’t considered at all. No such thing as marital rape in the “good ole days” either. Just a thought.

      Jan 21, 2010 at 5:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • alan brickman
      alan brickman

      do don’t crime..if you can’t do the slime…just sayin…

      Jan 21, 2010 at 7:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MaxH
      MaxH

      It’s disgusting that people aren’t bothered by this, or just treat prison rape as a fact of life if you go to jail.

      It isn’t. It’s further penalty than the one given by the state, and it’s unfair.

      Jan 21, 2010 at 8:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Adam
      Adam

      @alan brickman: How does that logic hold up for those who are wrongly convicted?

      Jan 21, 2010 at 11:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      No. 8 · 1EqualityUSA

      What do you all think of this?

      Idle fingers are the devil’s play toy.

      Jan 22, 2010 at 2:06 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 1EqualityUSA
      1EqualityUSA

      Dear B, In post #10 you wrote, ” Over time, that increases the mean age of the prison population, and there is on the average less sexual activity as people get older. Also fewer sexually attractive potential victims as a fraction of the total inmate population” Rape is violence, an act of power over others. “Attractive” doesn’t really figure into rape. Even elderly people are victims of violent sexual crime.

      #15 Schlukitz, “Idle fingers are the devil’s play toy.” After their eight hour work day, classes at night, straight “A”s would earn for stamps. Computer classes would always be available for basic reading and math, via panel behind the wall. For those refusing to work, lights out at 7:00 pm, except for a tiny beam of light for reading books in bed. This is my dream prison, paid for by the prisoners themselves, They could learn trades, or attend online prison college. Limited access, of course, to the outside populations.

      Jan 22, 2010 at 8:17 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      No. 16 · 1EqualityUSA

      It certainly sounds like a sensible idea to me.

      But then, we don’t always live in a sensible world, unfortunately, as I am sure that you yourself have observed from time to time. :(

      Jan 22, 2010 at 3:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 1EqualityUSA
      1EqualityUSA

      It has all to do with outcomes. Some minds are too damaged to pull out of crime. The outcome would be better if prisoners were responsible for their own living standards, much like in the real world. It would become a habit and a way of life that possibly might translate in the real world once freed. One can hope.

      Jan 22, 2010 at 3:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • markuk
      markuk

      does anyone know which prison has the highest incidences of sexual victimization, and what crime would one have to commit in that state in order to be given a sentence of, oh let’s say about a fortnight???

      Jan 22, 2010 at 3:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 1EqualityUSA
      1EqualityUSA

      markuk, are you from this century?

      Jan 22, 2010 at 4:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      Equality, I have always felt that taking responsibility for one’s life, is the only sane and sensible manner in which to become a contributing member of society.

      Removing that responsibility, as prisons now do, only makes the person incarcerated dependent upon society.

      I like our stamp analogy. After all, a greyhound dog will not not run at a race track unless there is a rabbit to chase.

      Why should humans be any different?

      Jan 22, 2010 at 4:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      Typo. Our should be your.

      Jan 22, 2010 at 4:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      Someone’s sexual fantasies are showing. ;P

      Jan 22, 2010 at 4:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 1EqualityUSA
      1EqualityUSA

      The ultimate reward would be one room, studio apartments, within the prison walls, earned through great behavior, good grades, and a ton of bluechip stamps.

      Jan 22, 2010 at 4:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      No. 24 · 1EqualityUSA

      Not to disagree with what you’ve in any way, I was an avid saver of S&H Green Stamps back in the 50s while my then hubby and I were still setting up housekeeping.

      All I have to show for my efforts (and that relationship), is an incomplete, chipped and somewhat busted-up set of Currier and Ives dinnerware ;P

      Of course, we haven’t factored-in inflation. lol

      Jan 22, 2010 at 4:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      Gee. Now I am beginning to sound like Letterman; drooping words in my sentence structure here and there. lol

      Correction in my first paragraph (and better sentence construction to boot)…

      “Not to disagree in any way, with what you’ve been saying…”

      Jan 22, 2010 at 4:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Fitz
      Fitz

      You have to really let go of the idea of prisons as rehabilitation. Or you have to let go of the ideas of prisons as punishment. The two concepts don’t work together. Right now, the boredom and lack of opportunity is part of the punishment.

      A token economy system within the prison already partially exists (access to the canteen, for example, has to be earned). But it’s all phony when the corrupt guards and the gang leaders are really the ones in charge.

      Jan 23, 2010 at 11:41 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 1EqualityUSA
      1EqualityUSA

      Dear Fitz, If they are lifers with no remorse and no inclination to improve themselves, then regular, uninspired prisons could be on the other end of the reward spectrum. It’s the choice of the individual what kind of life they will have. To lump every bad guy into a system where violence, intimidation, humiliation, fear, and rape occur daily, will not produce worthy people. It’s all about the outcome. It would be less expensive for society, overall, if they were taught a trade and a standard of conduct that relates to the real world when freedom is finally earned. It is also more humanizing. The punishment is the loss of freedom, not fearing for one’s life on a daily basis and forming unholy alliances in order to survive.

      Jan 23, 2010 at 12:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      The punishment is the loss of freedom, not fearing for one’s life on a daily basis and forming unholy alliances in order to survive.

      Very well stated, 1EqualityUSA

      The thrust and the end result of incarceration should be rehabilitation, not reinforcement of criminal-like behavior, which got them behind bars in the first place.

      Producing hardened criminals, as a result of the penal system we currently have, is a waste of taxpayers monies and makes no contribution to society.

      Jan 23, 2010 at 1:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kurt
      Kurt

      Rape me
      Rape me, my friend
      Rape me
      Rape me again

      Oct 24, 2010 at 4:32 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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