Being black, the homophobia would have been quite bad.

OH AND MICHAEL DID NOT HAVE PHYSIOLOGICAL PROBLEMS!!! HE DIDN’T DO ANYTHING WRONG TO HIMSELF, HE WASN’T TRYING TO LOOK LIKE A GIRL, HE WASN’T A TRANY, HE WASN’T GAY, HE DIDN’T BLEACH HIS SKIN, AND HE DEFINITELY AS HELL WAS NOT A MOTHER FUCKING CHILD MOLESTER!!!!!!

THESE ARE ALL TABLOID STORIES!!!
OH AND IF YOU DIDN’T KNOW THIS FACT IN BOTH OF HIS CHILD MOLESTATION CASES HE WAS ACTUALLY WINNING THE CASE.
THE FIRST ONE THEY DIDN’T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE BUT MICHAEL JUST DIDN’T WANT TO GO TO COURT, SO HE PAID THE FAMILY WHAT THEY WANTED. WHICH IS THE THING THEY’VE BEEN WANTING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I SWEAR SOME OF YOU PEOPLE ARE SO FUCKING STUPID ITS NOT EVEN FUNNY. YOU ARE SO GULLIBLE!!! YOU BELIEVE IN EVERYTHING YOU HEAR. YOU ALL SERIOUSLY NEED TO GET A FUCKING EDUCATION OR LEARN NOT TO BELIEVE IN WHAT THE MEDIA OR THE TABLOIDS SAY.

I BET SOME OF YOU BELIEVED THAT MATT DAMON WAS DEAD!!! I’M SURE YOU FELT STUPID FOR BELIEVING YOUR THE TABLOIDS IDIOTIC AND FALSE GOSSIP, BUT YET YOU STILL HAVEN’T LEARNED BECAUSE YOU ARE BELIEVING IN ALL THESE FALSE THINGS ABOUT MICHAEL JACKSON AND ALL THE OTHER STARS IN HOLLYWOOD.

And even if he was WHICH HE IS NOT i wouldn’t care. I support gay people and i love them. You are probably one of those close minded people. If this was back in the day you would still be fighting to keep segregation alive. Oh and to all you gay haters, having equal rights for blacks is the same thing as having equal rights for gays. Telling people that they are going to hell because they are gay is basically telling people that they are going to hell because they are black. Both have fought for their rights. Its not different.

In both of the cases the prosecutors didn’t have one shred of evidence proving that Michael was a child molester. Every time they went to search somewhere Michael lives they came out empty handed. How can you say that he is a child molester if they couldn’t even find one single shred of PROOF!

Oh and the phone conversation is on youtube. It came out when the case was happening.
You are such an ignorant idiot who chooses to believe the ridiculous lies that the media and the tabloids tell you. You don’t know Michael Jackson but yet you choose to believe in a lie. TELL ME WHAT PROOF YOU HAVE OF HIM MOLESTING CHILDREN?!!!
SERIOUSLY WHAT IS YOUR PROOF?!!!

I’m not saying he actually looked like a pre-pubescent boy – the heavy makeup is not something I usually associate with young boys. But when you’re in your 30s there’s only so much younger you can look. He seemed never to have developed an adult male physique, but maintained a physique that many young boys have. That could be due to many causes – high metabolism or eating disorders for example – but it seems to me that anybody who was as obsessed with his appearance as MJ would not have been that thin unless he wanted to be – there are muscle implants, and we all know he didn’t shy away from appearance-altering surgery.

http://www.boingboing.net/2009.....-to-b.html

Oh man, you reap what you sow.

“Unless the case was going south because the defendant had a good legal team and you decided that you would rather get money than nothing?”

dude, I think you’re contradicting yourself. I believe you have said something along the line of the evidence is clearly (to you at least) suggesting that he had molested the kid. If that’s the case, even the best legal team in the world wouldn’t stand a chance to save Jacko, no? If I were the father, what I WOULD want is to sue Jacko all the way to prison AND get compensation. Of course, the father had no problem settling just for the money. Sounds fishy to me.

“Seriously, I don’t care if $20 million is $1 to MJ. If someone accused me of being a pedophile, I wouldn’t give them $1 to make it go away regardless of what people told me to do. MJ is not an idiot.”

He’s not an idiot, for sure. But you did agree he was mentally unstable. AND, you shouldn’t base his decision on your own experiences – I don’t think any of us can even come close to comprehend what it’s like to BE Michael Jackson. I’m not saying I KNOW he didn’t do it, but you couldn’t possible KNOW if he did it either – you’re basing it on your own logic, which doesn’t apply to Jacko, sorry. So I wouldn’t be so quick to judge him if I were you.

“Also, $20 million must not have been that big of a drop in a bucket seeing he was pretty much bankrupt in his later years”

Oh please, yeah sure he was about $400 million in debt, well his estimated asset is about $3 billion. His definition of bankruptcy was probably A LOT different than yours or mine.

“and had to move to a country where he could diddle young boys as he pleased with no fear of any charges ever being brought again.”

Now you’re just being judgmental. First of all, I’m sure he didn’t HAVE to move to a country out of fear of bankruptcy. As far as I know, he needed to get away from all the stress of dealing with the allegation. Makes sense to me. Second of all, it is YOUR ASSUMPTION (and probably your twisted imagination, I’m starting to wonder) that he would diddle young boys in another country.

Let’s face it, we know you don’t like him – and that’s fine. But could you not spread hate when you don’t know the facts for sure? Especially not on the day where the person died.

“The main stream media can say and do whatever it wants to “honor” (oops I meant exploit this man’s memory), but what I’m really looking forward to is the South Park episode about MJ dieing.”

Good for you….. yay.

@HayYall: “Most people”, no. “Rich, famous people that most folks think are weird anyway”, yes. And yes, most people have at least some decency and honesty in them and so wouldn’t make false accusations, but it only takes one.

@edgyguy1426: Doing that means that either they believed him to be innocent or that they were hoping he’d molest their children too so they could get their own settlement.

@Trichele: Well, Farrah was known to be about to die any day now already; as far as I know, Michael Jackson wasn’t.

.@TANK: It also sometimes happens, especially in that sort of case where there’s not likely to *be* absolute evidence, that the innocent are convicted. It may be a rare event, but I could certainly understand someone in that position who is innocent choosing to pay them off just in case. (I have no strong opinion on whether he was actually guilty or not)

@galefan2004: Cases where the accused is innocent often get past the grand jury stage. Their job is just to see if the accusations are credible enough to bother proceeding further.

http://whoismichael.com/accusers-advocates.htm

I was a nerd who loved classical music as a kid and never really was into MJ. I don’t have a dog in this fight but as I was riding my bike to work this morning I was listening to Rock With You” on my iPod and just started crying. My heart just sinks when I think about what his family and especially those 3 kids who lost the only parent they ever knew. Sadness.

Michael Jackson ADMITTED TO TAKING YOUNG BOYS INTO HIS BED. If that alone doesn’t send up a red flag, what does? Sadder still, are the number of parents that would offer up their children as sacrificial lambs just for the chance of a brush with fame or maybe they had dollar signs in their eyes. EVEN after allegations of molestation, parents were still shoving their children forward for a chance at contact- what does this say about our unquenchable hunger for fame?

Not necessarily when they’ve been coached to lie by parents who are skilled at these types of operations. Jordan Chandler’s father drugged him and coached him on what to say; videotaped it and blackmailed jackson with it. No police. You’d think that if your child were actually molested, you’d go to the police.

?That is why most cases do not even go to trial without multiple victims all testifying. It is actually pretty freaking hard to prove a rape/molestation case in a court of law. So hard that most don’t even go to trial.

This was planned and staged months in advance. And more importantly, a high profile celebrity like michael jackson, who depends on his public image being flawlessly clean–was found guilty in the court of public opinion (which isn’t hard to do), no matter what the truth of those false accusations were. This is normal. Even if the pedophilia charges are false, people don’t care and convict anyway. This is a common occurrence.

When the state goes to trial against a defendant in such a case they are 100% convinced of his guilt.

And this has traditionally been shown to require shifting standards and proof for being convinced.

btw, another tidbit is the mother herself has been accused of molestation. Interesting the public didn’t demand her kids be taken from her the way they did Jackson’s children.

Do you know why most defense lawyers never put their defendant on the stand? It is because they simply don’t stand up under cross. Its not at all uncommon for someone to fall under cross. Actually, it happens more likely than not. It doesn’t mean that they lied. It means that expensive ass lawyer team was able to make it seem like they lied.

Prosecutors commit misconduct regularly. I don’t support that his “buddy” got off while diddling a kid. However, 15 is pretty young. Are you seriously trying to claim that the fact that he was 15 and a high school qb makes it more acceptable for him to be diddled by MJ simply because he might have wanted it.

Seriously, everything you have said so far reeks of the “if MJ did it it was because the kid wanted him to do it” excuse. Yet, you think I’m the one that has to examine myself.

A person who is mentally ill often does not know they are ill. They generally need others to intervene, which obviously should have happened in Jackson’s case. Again I would be careful of those judgments – we are all more vulnerable than we think, you could act as the perfect citizen and still be accused of anything at anytime. Don’t kid yourself otherwise.

I don’t know if Jordan Chandler was romanticing Jackson in his mind, but he did defend him against the same accusations and said he didn’t think it was true. That’s what was odd.

About the fingerprints, that “evidence” wasn’t used in the trial because the prosecutors gave the accuser the unprotected magazine to hold during the grand jury, effectively putting his fingerprints on the magazine. Quite an oversight for someone who has been in law enforcement 20+ years don’t you think. They contaminated the evidence by having the boy handle the magazine. The fingerprints were only reported after the purposeful contamination. Of course the media never reported this.

And not only the mother lied – the family who previously made up different accusations that they all conveniently witnessed pulled the same thing. The mother spoke of the kidnapping, the sister of the booze, the younger brother supposedly witnessed the abuse and all were caught in their lies. Every one of them. They hardly asked the accuser anything about the supposed five minutes of touching by Jackson. Instead most of his testimony was complaining about Jackson not returning his calls.

I also loved how the media described the accuser at 15 and also a high school quarter back as a little boy. I guess that’s what you do though when you are trying to justify 20 years in solitary confinement for the same accusation that the prosecutor gave one of his buddies early retirement with a pension for.

I don’t feel bad for MJ because of his disfigurement. I don’t judge him on it either. If he was truly unwell then he should have gotten help. If you are going to claim that he didn’t know he was mentally unwell then all I can say is that most people do know, and MJ might have been an exception to that, but I highly doubt it seeing most of the people that don’t know truly are criminals. Well hell, maybe that supports my argument that he is a criminal, but I don’t think that is what you intended to do.

As far as point 1. It is OFTEN common for the abused to feel “great love and affection” for the abuser. Hell, its often common for the abused to believe that they were in love with the abuser. Its often common for them to believe that the abuser loved them. Its often common for them to believe that the moments of intimacy shared with the abuser are special and that they are special because the abuser decide to share that intimacy with them. We aren’t talking about stranger/stranger rape. Pedophilia is not a power crime like rape is. The abuser is not trying to take power over the victim. The abuser is just following a sexual urge. Often times the abuser can not even control that sexual urge. Often times the abuser realizes this and its a faith worth than death for the abuser. The amount of guilt an abuser feels eats away with them over time. I would imagine that much guilt would probably take a good 30 or so years off of your life. It might do something like make you die of a heart attack at the age of 50.

At point 2, please explain the double finger prints on the porno rag if you want to claim that MJ was never at the ranch with the kid and that the kid just made the whole story up. That is the smoking gun in the case. It would have gotten any man without MJ’s financial means convicted. The fact that the mother was a con-artist had very little to do with the actual case, but because MJ has wonderful (and wonderfully expensive as well) lawyers we heard much less about the evidence and much more about the character assassination of the mother.

1) Someone I know attended college with Jordan Chandler (13 yr old accuser from 1993) and reported that he spoke with great love and affection of Jackson. She knew who he was while other students did not. During this time the whole Martin Bashir documentary happened and there was discussion about it at the school. Jordan defended Jackson’s reputation and spoke quite emotionally about how horrible people treated Jackson. So all the people using Jordan as an excuse for their hateful comments should realize he loves Michael Jackson and is upset by the hate.

2) The recent trial was a joke, they all lied on the stand including making up a completely fabricated story they were all kidnapped, Jackson wasn’t even at Neverland most the time, and all the supporting claims of other molestation was denied by the supposed victims.

I think Jackson has deep psychological problems and needed help. But I also think the public’s response is even more disturbing.

Don’t be so sure of yourself, very easy to be accused of anything these days. Maybe one day that smugness you see in the mirror will be ripped off your face by life.

I have someone who is disfigured in my family, as a result of cancer, and I actually see Jackson’s situation as sadder because it was unnecessary. To do that to yourself a person would have to be psychologically unwell, so any doctor performing surgery on a person who is clearly ill is who I see as to blame. I do remember people ridiculing my father about his disfigurement and I feel really offended by anyone trying to justify that kind of treatment of any human being. period.

The legal system offers plea deals to just about everyone. However, its the poor people that take them. The rich just hire better lawyers. Rich people very rarely take plea bargains. He didn’t go to trial to clear his name he went to trial because he felt that his rich lawyers could get him off. Then he moved out of this country to a country where they would let him be a pedophile in peace. Everything that man has done since 1993 screams RICH WHITE PEDOPHILE. I’m glad you can sit there and say because he was found NOT GUILTY (not innocent…you see our fore fathers understood when they set up our judicial system that not guilty =/= innocent) he must be innocent. I wonder if you would say the same thing if the man wasn’t rich and famous.

I mean honestly, do you believe that those that were acquitted of sexual abuse charges in the Catholic church are 100% innocent to?

I remember when the first accusation came out and people said it was that he settled out of court – if the matter had gone to court and he’d been found not guilty, that would be another matter. Then when he did go to court (and no settlement was every contemplated, that’s something you apparently just made up) and was found not guilty that still doesn’t stop the haters.

Jackson was offered a plea deal but risked 20 years in jail to clear his name. Probably hoping it would end the hate. Instead the bullies just continue with their hate uninterupted and Jackson a few years later is dead, I’m sure in no small part due to the stress of that trial. Jackson was a brave soul. So easy to judge.

I read every page of manuscript from that trial and let me tell you the “evidence” was shit. It was one of the most pathetic cases ever. The difference between what happened in that courtroom and what was reported by the hate media was vastly different. But, hey, they need to give hate filled losers like you something to feel good about.

I love to hear moralizing from people who have no problem bullying a disfigured, mentally ill person who has died. Look in the mirror.

Seriously, I don’t care if $20 million is $1 to MJ. If someone accused me of being a pedophile, I wouldn’t give them $1 to make it go away regardless of what people told me to do. MJ is not an idiot. Also, $20 million must not have been that big of a drop in a bucket seeing he was pretty much bankrupt in his later years and had to move to a country where he could diddle young boys as he pleased with no fear of any charges ever being brought again.

The main stream media can say and do whatever it wants to “honor” (oops I meant exploit this man’s memory), but what I’m really looking forward to is the South Park episode about MJ dieing.

As an adult man with a brain, I wouldn’t get young kids drunk at my house and look at porno magazines with them then try to claim I’m innocent of all charges. I would realize exactly how guilty that would make me look. However, I don’t have MJ’s money. The only difference between MJ and the pedophiles sitting in jail is that they didn’t have 20 million to pay off witnesses or to higher attorneys.