Following the New Hampshire Senate’s passage of a same-sex marriage bill, the House got its act together and also passed its version of the bill in a 198-176 vote. The legislation now heads to Gov. John Lynch’s desk, who is expected to sign it. And when he does? New Hampshire will become the sixth state to grant gays and lesbians marriage rights (and the fourth this year).
UPDATE: Lynch signs!
AustinAbomination
Live Free or Die, baby! Go New Hampshire!
MuffinMan
Then there were six.
InExile
Congratulations New Hampshire!
AustinAbomination
@yeson8won: Duh…the people that were democratically elected (via a ballot! omg!) to lead NH democratically decided to allow us the same freedom as everyone else. Your argument is baseless.
Matt Deco
@yeson8won
Actually the people voted these members into congress to represent them. you don’t really get American government do you?
MuffinMan
@AustinAbomination:
I agree. Voters voted for the people representing them. So Mr.YesOn8Won, you’re flawed.
Bagelman999
@yeson8won:
Let’s see… more states recognized equality in 2009 than states that shunned it in 2008. Seems like your dreams for a great white Christian Aryan Master race of heterosexuals and big white suburbs with concentration camps in the South for the faggots have been shot. Go back to the Inland Empire you confederate flag waving degenerate. Otherwise, go move to Iran where they practice Sharia Law and hang gays in the streets. You would probably feel right at home there.
yeson8won
Remember the elected officials in California voted for homosexual marriage 2-3 years ago, despite the fact that We The People had made it clear they didn’t want it.
Fortunately Arnie vetoed that scurrilous effort to undermine the will of the people.
So it’s clear that legislators don’t always represent their constituents fairly.
On such an important issue as the redefinition of marriage every state should allow the people to vote directly.
Mike
Maggie Gallagher is probably eating half a cake right now to settle her nerves. Ah hell, Maggie….eat the whole thing! Celebrate
Mike
@#9 – The Constitution protects the minority from the bigoted majority. Civil Rights should never be put to a majority vote. That is what the US Constitution is for.
christophe
I can hardly even stand to even get on this site anymore, its turned into a battle with the fundies. We should be able to go here and talk “AMOUNG OURSELVES” without the interference from bigots. Queerty, should BLOCK THE ISP address of these bigots who come here to argue and taunt. They are “NOT” here to learn, they are here to spread their hatred.
Steff
Queerty, should BLOCK THE ISP address of these bigots who come here to argue and taunt. They are “NOT” here to learn, they are here to spread their hatred.
Also to jerk off over the Morning Goods.
Mike
@christophe: It doesn’t have to be a fight with the fundies, just come here to get and read your news…ignore the unhappy few. It says a lot that rather than being out there, away from their computer, doing something productive for the homeless or the environment they have to sit there being unhappy for gays.
The Gay Numbers
First they said, “no one has ever recognized marriage equality in the history of the world.” A lie. When the courts recognized marriage equality, they said, “well, no democratic process (ignroe the oxymoronic definition) has ever choosen marriage equality.” When the legislature (elected in a democratic process to represent the will of the people) choose marriage equality,t hen it’s ” the people who still did not get a say” Again oxymoronic since the people elected these officials.
When the “people” decide, it will be something else. The nice thing about being black and gay is that I have seen all this kind of shit before. These are the same games that the losing side on race placed with racism for years. They keep moving the ball because they are losing and ball moving is about all folks like Yeson8 got left. Even 8 will not stand but for a few more years and then he will still be trying year after year like they do with the abortion initiatives in CA to change the law. It’s not about democracy or democratic process or anything else. It’s about bigotry. Just like the KKK before you Yeson8 will be still screaming the same tune. Luckly,t he world is slowly tuning you out (pun intended).
Cam
@yeson8won: You said…
“Yet again We The People have been denied a ballot to decide if they want to redefine marriage for homosexuals.
So much for the Land of the Free.”
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As long as you are asking for that vote, will you also be willing to let ME vote on YOUR marriage? I mean after all, there are a lot of battered straight women, and children growing up in single parent homes, it sounds like straight marraige isn’t working so well.
Nickadoo
@yeson8won: Damn those activist legislators legislating from the legislature!
yeson8won
@Cam: Cam if you want to put traditional marriage to a ballot please go right ahead.
Rik
@yeson8won:
has anyone addressed the question of why this individual is reading a site like queerty.com in the first place?
ask ena
@yeson8won: Frankly, the whole idea of ONE group “defining” marriage for another group is absurd. For all your bogus “Christian” values, marriage is really a legal term defining property rights and a bunch of other economic and, more importantly, healthcare related issues between loved ones. Why don’t you just focus on your own definition of marriage as it applies to YOU? What a jackass.
yeson8won
@christophe: Yeah God forbid you open up your mind to an opposing point of view.
What about the tolerance you homosexual bigots are always whining about??
Does tolerance only go in one direction?
You know other homosexuals are going to agree with you. But to win your war om traditional marriage you need to focus on persuading normal people like me.
yeson8won
@ask ena: Frankly, the whole idea of ONE group “defining” marriage for another group is absurd.
So you don’t think we should ban incestuous, bestial or child marriages?
Hexx
@Mike: Amen to that. To use the Bible (which he seems to like to misquote quite a bit by taking out of context), you should review Matt 25:31-46. It speaks of how those who do good works, helping those in need, feeding those who are hungry, sheltering those who are cold, are the TRUE works of Christ and God. Those who do these works shall be taken in to the Kingdom of Heaven, where those who do not do these good works and follow the words of Christ (Btw, that passage is the words of Christ directly) shall find eternal fire.
Along with the hypocrites. They get to burn in hell too. Jesus says a LOT about that.
Soooo basically…. if I’m going to hell, YesOn8, then I will save you a seat on that express bus. We are strangers; you do not take us in. You do not minister to us, but judge, and as you judge, so shall you be judged. You condemn and do not even attempt to quietly speak to us to try to lead us down what you consider to be the righteous path.
Personally, I’m gonna do my darnedest to follow those teachings. I might be gay, but that doesn’t mean I have to be un-godly. I’m gonna be a social worker to help those in need, and that seems like a pretty good path to walk down.
Ugh. I’ve been made a liar of. I said I wouldn’t respond to this person again. Guess that’s another bad mark on my list.
AustinAbomination
@yeson8won: You are obviously a useless troll, rehashing the same arguments We’ve heard a thousand times. If you would like replies to your comments, please see the same damn argument in every other thread.
As for me? Live Free or Die, baby!
AustinAbomination
@Hexx: Wow, I like your argument a lot better. Kudos.
Angus
we live in a democracy…..people can say what they want.
yeson8won
@Hexx: I might be gay, but that doesn’t mean I have to be un-godly
How do you rationalise your homosexual lifestyle with your Christian beliefs, knowing that the Bible clearly condemns homosexuality as sinful, and defines marriage as one man one woman?
NewYorkness
YAAAYYY NH! I lived in NH for a couple of years…very cool state and beautiful area. Congrats!
Jeffrey
Actually, New Hampshire makes SEVEN. You have to remember that there are over 36,000 of us who are LEGALLY married in California under California law. And it’s quite possible that anyone who was married anywhere else prior to November 4th, 2008 will also be recognized as legally married in California (they have yet to work that out). I don’t think you can ignore us when tallying up the states. Yes, we deserve an asterisk, but we should be counted.
I also love that the haters have to live with the fact that they did NOT, in fact, keep same-sex marriage out of California.
Alan
The truth of the matter is that marriage has been continually re-defined over the past 150 years. Doweries are out now. We no longer have arranged marriages without the consent of the parties. We no longer consider women to be under the authority of the male husband. No fault divorce is a big change from just 50 years back. Love has conquered marriage and marriage equality is the continuation of a trend going back over a century.
yeson8won
@Jeffrey: We were satisfied to win – for the second time in 8 years – and show the Supreme Court the error in their ways. They should have stayed their decision pending the outcome of Prop 8.
And none of these homosexual marriages are recognised by the US Federal govt.
Also, you should not make offensive slurs against the supporters of traditional marriage by calling them ‘haters’.
That shows the same bigoted lack of tolerance for which you criticise others.
Hexx
@yeson8won: Because, sir or madam or androgyne or neuter, there is this lovely guy who lived about 2000 years ago. You might have heard of him. His name was Jesus Christ, and He died on the cross for ALL of our sins. Because God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16). I shall give back to the world by following Matt 25:31-46, as I stated previously. I shall help those in need, offer love and acceptance [even to you. I don’t know you, after all. You might be a great person outside this forum.] and I shall live and let live. You believe as you believe, you have faith in your way. You can hold marriage in your way. I will Love. That’s what I believe in. I believe that GOD LOVED THIS WORLD, that the Creator does not hate its creations and offered us a way to find our home in Heaven. I understand that I am not perfect, that I am a sinner since my mother conceived me (to quote Paul), but I can still try to live as Jesus asked me to live. To care for my neighbors, to do unto others, to speak truth.
I don’t rationalize it. I reconcile it. I am a sinner. You are a sinner. All of us are. All we can do is our best. We’re all only human, after all, trying to follow Christ home.
yeson8won
@Alan: None of those adjustments redefined marriage from being one man and one woman as the basis for having a family.
Homosexual marriage is a redefinition of the centuries old tradition of marriage and it defies the human wisdom of millenia.
Such madness was prophesied in the Bible thousands of years ago as a sign of the end.
yeson8won
@Hexx: You seem to be skirting around my question.
And what about Jesus’ message to ‘go and sin no more’? Shouldn’t you be more focused on that rather than trying to encode sin into the law?
DaveO
You should post an update that Lynch signed the bill.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gUUXsl3sakXbS8W1AYb4xSxxEMIgD98JEPVG1
edgyguy1426
@yeson8won: Taking the bible into account, then, how do you rationalize Red Lobster?
Alan
Yes, they did redefine marriage. Canada, Spain and a dozen other countries now have marriage equality.
If you want to get biblical, there are at least 8 different kinds of marriage/families in the Bible, plus a lot of incest. The Bible was written by and redacted by men and women.
If you don’t want gay marriage, then don’t have one and leave our families alone.
timncguy
@yeson8won:
“Such madness was prophesied in the Bible thousands of years ago as a sign of the end.”
Well praise the lord. Please let the end of your religion come soon. Then, you can get your ass raptured out of here and leave the rest of us alone.
Jeffrey
@Yeson8won
Go watch this video about your biblical traditional marriage and then get back to us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKK
Alan
Plus there are 1.2 billion Muslims for whom polygamy represents centuries of tradition and is legal in many countries. There are Catholics for whom centuries of tradition prohibits divorce.
Slavery was also a tradition and supported by the Bible.
Hexx
@yeson8won: I think I actually answered your question. I’m sadly not Jesus. I’m not God. I can do my best to not sin, but in the end it comes back to me being human. I accept that I am a sinner, and the way I find my way back to God is by accepting that Christ died on the cross for my sins, and I do my best to follow the golden rules He set forth. Just as you are a sinner for your judgments, and if you wear clothes of mixed fabrics, and cut the hair of your temples, and speak to a woman on her period, and work or travel on the sabbath day, and any other of the… 586? commandments that are considered abominations within the bible. We’re ALL OF US sinners. None of us are perfect.
Could you please cite the passage for me? I would like to know whom Jesus is telling to sin no more. Context is, in fact, quite important. You have to cite passages rather than just a single quote in order to get the true message.
ask ena
Can someone please remind me again what this has to do with religion?
Jeffrey
@yeson8
Sorry, here is the correct link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw
Betty Bowers will explain traditional marriage for you, since you don’t really understand it.
Hexx
Never mind, I looked it up. He said that to an adulteress, right after he said “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” Context. Very important here. He was saying that to a heterosexual woman on the mountain of olives before the pharisees and scribes.
yeson8won
@Hexx:
John 8:7-11
7 But when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground.
9 And they, when they heard it, went out one by one, beginning from the eldest, (even) unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the midst.
10 And Jesus lifted up himself, and said unto her, Woman, where are they? did no man condemn thee?
11 And she said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said, Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more .)
ASV
Jeffrey
@yeson8
And ‘haters’ is the correct term. Since no one has ever been able to come up with a rational reason why same-sex marriage should not be legal, the only explanation for people like you is that you hate gay people. Be honest. That is what it boils down to. All one has to do is look at your posts to see that is true.
If you don’t want to be called a hater then don’t be one. It’s simple.
timncguy
@yeson8won: it is very EASY to reconcile being gay with also being religious. Your interpretation of Bible verses isn’t the only interpretation. There ar many prominent biblical scholars who will tell you that the passages in the Bible that YOU CLAIM call homosexuality a sin have not been PROPERLY translated from the original text and are not being correctly interpreted.
What the Bible is calling a sin, is not a loving monogamous same-sex relationship. But, rather the use by men of younger less powerful men as sexual playthings.
Again, if you would just do some research and open your mind, these things are right there for you to find.
The Gay Numbers
Stop feeding the troll!
dgz
WHY DO YOU PEOPLE INSIST ON FEEDING THIS TROLL?!?
it’s just here to provoke you, hijack the discussion, put you down, and engage in mental masturbation. STOP. it’s POINTLESS. when you reply, it just forces the rest of us to wade through the SAME discussion in EVERY thread. you cannot persuade the close-minded, or educate a cretin. IGNORE until Queerty finally decides to ban it.
Geoff
Is there an expected signing date for Gov Lynch? I’m hesitant to celebrate when he could do an aboutface and not sign.
dgz
@The Gay Numbers: amen, thank you.
DaveO
@Geoff: Signed, sealed, delivered.
AustinAbomination
@Geoff: Check out #34 – he already signed it.
Hexx
@yeson8won: The true passage starts at verse 1, offering the context of the words spoken. They brought a married woman before Jesus who had committed adultery. That offers context of whom he was speaking to. You could interpret the passage to find that he was speaking to adulterers, or to women, or to only that woman, or any number of ways. I agree with TimNCGuy. Linguistics and context are VERY important in the bible. You keep quoting out of context and cutting out parts that are important to showing the situation in which certain words were spoken.
TANK
YAY! Downside? It’s new hampshire. No sales tax, though…that’s about all it has going for it besides same sex marriage.
AlwaysGay
Congrats New Hamsphire!
Don’t forget heterosexual-only marriage advocates are getting people to sign their pettitions as we speak to repeal marriage equality. Stop them. Tell your friends how important marriage is to gay couples.
Jeffrey
Actually, New Hampshire makes SEVEN. You have to remember that there are over 36,000 of us who are LEGALLY married in California under California law. And it’s quite possible that anyone who was married anywhere else prior to November 4th, 2008 will also be recognized as legally married in California (they have yet to work that out). I don’t think you can ignore us when tallying up the states. Yes, we deserve an asterisk, but we should be counted.
I also love that the haters have to live with the fact that they did NOT, in fact, keep same-sex marriage out of California.
Seriously, change the headline to 7.
The Gay Numbers
Apparently people like Hexx are determined to allow trolls to hijack what should be a happy moment. Please stop.
Hexx
@dgz: Ew. Mental masturbation. That phrase alone is enough to get me to stop. Thanks for the image. I’m going to go poke out my mind’s eye now.
dgz
@Hexx: lol, good. 😉
timncguy
@The Gay Numbers: if we don’t engage the troll and screw up the thread, what possible incentive will Queerty have to BAN the troll?
If Queerty is concerned about the troll and its feeding, they will step up and BAN the damned thing. If they don’t, then apparently they don’t feel the troll and any discussion with the troll is harming anyone else.
dgz
@timncguy: because Queerty rarely bans anyone. and none of you are succeeding in baiting it.
timncguy
@dgz: Then you were wrong in your assertion that we should wait for Queerty to BAN it if you now say they won’t.
I don’t mind playing with it and honing my skills to come up with data that refutes its claims. That data may not be useful with this troll, but it can be very useful in other discussions with reasonable people. It also helps educate other non trolls here by giving them valuable data that can be used in their discussions with other resonable people.
dgz
@timncguy: no, i still think you should wait, ignore, and hope for a ban. but i never said they would. whether they do or not is beyond your or my control, and its replies to you are no more or less offensive than its original posts, so if your goal is baiting, you’re not succeeding.
obviously, i can’t stop you. but i think you’re overestimating the educational value of these dueling monologues, and underestimating their annoyance.
The Gay Numbers
@dgz: Exactly. If you are not talking to someone who is persuadable, then what’s the point?
Jason
Glad to live in New Hampshire!!
ALSO
**There is no peoples veto in New Hampshire or way to have a voter initiative, New Hampshire can only change laws by voting in new representatives or through a constitutional convention. A constitutional convention is hard to bring about in New Hampshire, it is automatically placed on the ballot every 10 years or it takes a 3/5 majority if each house to ask whether the voters want a constitutional convention. The voters must then agree to the convention. If the voters agree then they must hold another election to choose delegates to head the convention. The delegates can then by 3/5 majority submit an amendment to the voters, at the next biennial November election. It then takes a 2/3 vote from the general public for that amendment to pass. The last time the question was placed before the voters was in 2002, so unless the legislature puts it on the ballot, it wont come up until 2012.
Tim and Earl
Shun the troll! It’s our turn2use that old unChristlike Christian tradition!
Peter
YesonHateWon:
You really ought to read the history of your religion. Early christian churches married two men as a normal event, and with a ceremony. The Sacrament of Marriage was not thought up until 1512AD. Sodom and Gamorrah(sp) were all about RAPE of travelers who were denied a safe place to sleep, by the local ‘hoods’. Marriage of a man and a woman was recorded, ONLY to record the transfer of property from the woman’s family to the new husband.
And, a sidelight; the bible has been rewritten several times; like when King Constantine did now like the way it was first put together. AND the each time it was translated to each succeeding language.
ask ena
@Jason: Why can’t we have that in California?? There are just too many idiots told how to vote for voters to vot in initiatives. It’s NOT A GOOD IDEA.
Lance Rockland
I love New Hampshire! My family and I used to vacation along Lake Winnepasaukee. I went to college there. My partner’s family lives there.
And now I can get MARRIED there! Fabulous! 🙂
schlukitz
You go, New Hampshire! Now onward New York and New Jersey.
hephaestion
Ironic that there is only one state in New England that doesn’t have legal recognition of gay marriages now, Rhode Island. Yet Rhode Island’s largest city, Providence, has a popular gay mayor.
hephaestion
Our Truth is marching on…
hephaestion
YESON8 has evidently never read an actual book on the history of Christianity. Nor has he read the Bible, as Betty Bowers can attest here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eamericablog%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded
Bri
@Rik: I’m not surprised he’s here. I always go to sites that are full of right wing and anti-gay fanatics first thing I hear that our side has had a victory. I love to see them upset. They should be upset. They’re losers.
Hexx
@timncguy: See, that’s what I was after too. Plus I get really bored on a seriously epic scale, and it’s kind of entertaining to come up with logical arguments to reasonably refute claims of such a creature. I do apologize to you, DGZ and all others out there who were irritated. I was not trying to detract from your happiness on this day.
rick
the right in new hampshire is besides themselves with this and spouting the usual nonsensical rhetoric they always use when they lose.
rick
@yeson8won: near as can figure the words traditional marriage mean this to the likes of you TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE: PERMISSION TO HAVE SEX GRANTED BY A RELIGIOUS ENTITY.
that is all it means. hate to tell you but that boat sailed and sank long ago.
dgz
@Hexx: no problem. it’s just that this troll shows up in almost every thread every day, and this exact same discussion is repeated over and over ad nauseum. he’s just poking the bear. or the twink. 😉
Woof
Is embarrased to live in California :o(
BradK
@Woof: So am I, so am I.
Hexx
@BradK: Me three.
KEn
Just ask the christians and catholics about the 31 married popes. Or ask them how some of the popes children also became popes.
Where are the christian bigots out protesting red lobster? humm?
Where are the christian bigots out making sure rapists that rape virgin women get married as per bible law? humm?
Where are the christian bigots making sure that anyplace that serves meat during lent on friday are burned down? humm?
Where are the christian bigots stopping any divorce? humm?
Where are the christian bigots ensuring that no lame, infirm, blind, or flat nosed *direct quote* approach the church or alter of god? humm?
Until you answer that one christian bigots, stay the hell out. You pick and choose, and modify your rules to protect your hate and bigotry.
Go back to spending all your tax free money on protecting the child molesters, and embezzlers.
12 years catholic skewl here
hummmmmmmm