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NOTE: President Barack Obama delivered the keynote address last night at HRC’s 15th annual National Dinner in Washington, DC. Below is the video and transcript of his speech.

 

 

“Thank you so much. It is great to be back. (Applause.) I see a lot of friends in the house. I appreciate the chance to join you tonight. I also took a trip out to California last week, where I held some productive bilateral talks with your leader, Lady Gaga. (Laughter.) She was wearing 16-inch heels. (Laughter.) She was eight feet tall. (Laughter.) It was a little intimidating.

Now, I don’t want to give a long speech. Cyndi Lauper is in the house. I can’t compete with that. (Applause.) But I wanted to come here tonight, first of all, to personally thank Joe for his outstanding years of leadership at HRC. (Applause.) What he has accomplished at the helm of this organization has been remarkable, and I want to thank all of you for the support that you’ve shown this organization and for your commitment to a simple idea: Every single American — gay, straight, lesbian, bisexual, transgender — every single American deserves to be treated equally in the eyes of the law and in the eyes of our society. It’s a pretty simple proposition. (Applause.)

Now, I don’t have to tell you that we have a ways to go in that struggle. I don’t have to tell you how many are still denied their basic rights — Americans who are still made to feel like second-class citizens, who have to live a lie to keep their jobs, or who are afraid to walk the street, or down the hall at school. Many of you have devoted your lives to the cause of equality. So you know what we have to do; we’ve got more work ahead of us.

But we can also be proud of the progress we’ve made these past two and a half years. Think about it. (Applause.) Two years ago, I stood at this podium, in this room, before many of you, and I made a pledge. I said I would never counsel patience; that it wasn’t right to tell you to be patient any more than it was right for others to tell African Americans to be patient in the fight for equal rights a half century ago. (Applause.) But what I also said, that while it might take time –- more time than anyone would like — we are going to make progress; we are going to succeed; we are going to build a more perfect union.

And so, let’s see what happened. I met with Judy Shepard. I promised her we would pass a hate crimes bill named for her son, Matthew. And with the help of my dear friend Ted Kennedy we got it done. Because it should never be dangerous — (applause) — you should never have to look over your shoulder — to be gay in the United States of America. That’s why we got it done. (Applause.)

I met with Janice Langbehn, who was barred from the bedside of the woman she loved as she lay dying. And I told her that we were going to put a stop to this discrimination. And you know what? We got it done. I issued an order so that any hospital in America that accepts Medicare or Medicaid—and that means just about every hospital—has to treat gay partners just as they do straight partners. Because nobody should have to produce a legal contract to hold the hand of the person that they love. We got that done. (Applause.)

I said that we would lift that HIV travel ban—we got that done. (Applause.) We put in place the first comprehensive national strategy to fight HIV/AIDS.”

Speech continued on next page

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By:           Dan Avery
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  • 129 Comments
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      Before all of the “Obama is useless and I’m not voting for him” comments come in, can I ask that those of you who hold that opinion to *specifically* state whom you consider a better and viable candidate to vote for in the next presidential election?

      thank you in advance.

      Term Two – LGBT Equality. I thought it was obvious to all of us.

      Oct 2, 2011 at 1:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ~PR~
      ~PR~

      @Little Kiwi: I agree with what you say… I too am curious to see what candidate would be a better choice for securing equality for all? There’s so much flip-flopping in their trenches I just can’t keep track of where they stand. It doesn’t matter much to me though… Obama 2012!

      Oct 2, 2011 at 2:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      Obama is useless! rolls eyes

      Anyways back to humility I still think Obama needs to go further pertaining to gay rights.

      But he’s made an impact on the LGBT community that has made a difference.So I am not gonna sit here and pretend like I am not grateful to him for that.I am indeed.We still have far to go though but we’ve gotten farther then we ever had gotten with Obamas health even if hes not exactly a proponent or supporter of same sex marriage he still has made a lot of leeway and progress for the LGBT community.Regardless of whether we like or do not like him or whether we do or do not trust him or whether we think his intentions have been genuine or insincere. He STILL has made an impact and ultimately in the end that is all that really matters.

      Oct 2, 2011 at 2:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      With Obamas help not health damn typo.

      Oct 2, 2011 at 2:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • RT
      RT

      It’s nice to know that, no matter how Obama’s presidency ends, he will make millions in book sale from his sure-to-be-coming autobiography.

      Obama knows that. I hope he chooses to be a good president still. Why not win both honor and the riches?

      Oct 2, 2011 at 2:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chris
      Chris

      The problem isn’t so much Obama, but the relationship the HRC has him. They have spent the past two years apologizing and remaining conveniently silent. That’s not how I want my advocacy group to act. I don’t care about “access” and cocktail parties that don’t deliver anything to us. If I wanted to donate to the Democrats, I would do it and spare myself the HRC donation spam.

      Oct 2, 2011 at 3:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • christopher di spirito
      christopher di spirito

      The issue for me has nothing to do with the usual scare tactics of: “If we don’t reelect Obama we will end up with, Perry, Romney, Cain, or Palin (take your pick.)

      What annoys me with Barry-O is back in his Chicago political days, he was an ardent supporter of marriage equality. Not the separate but, equal, civil unions, or the pathetic domestic partnerships — he supported same-sex marriage.

      But when the bright lights of Washington DC beckoned, he “evolved” backward and citing religious reasons, suddenly jettisoned full equality and embraced the lesser civil unions shtick.

      Obama is president. His job is to lead by example. If, in his heart, as the O-Bots say, he’s a closet supporter of same-sex marriage, he needs to reach down, grab his manhood and proclaim: “As President, I support marriage equality and as President, I pledge to do everything in my power to make marriage equality a reality.”

      But he won’t. He’s a politician and as long as there’s an 80-year old Baptist homophobe in Deep Well, TX who opposes same-sex marriage, Obama will side with her against us.

      Oct 2, 2011 at 4:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      @christopher di spirito:

      Most politicians will say whatever they have to say in order to get people to believe in them.

      Does not surprise me in the least either that he used to be a supporter then conveniently “changed” his mind about it.

      Pretty much what you would call a flip flopper.

      Oct 2, 2011 at 4:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @Little Kiwi:said…

      “Before all of the “Obama is useless and I’m not voting for him” comments come in, can I ask that those of you who hold that opinion to *specifically* state whom you consider a better and viable candidate to vote for in the next presidential election?”
      ______________________________

      Thats the problem, he is getting my vote because the others are all crazy and bigots. Unfortunately, that doesn’t make him a great president for us, no matter how many speeches he gives. Being better than Bachman or Santorum doesn’t make you great. It just means you’re not horrible.

      On the bright side, if he wins he has another term to prove us wrong.

      Oct 2, 2011 at 4:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Reason
      Reason

      Would it be nice if the president personally came out as a supporter of marriage equality? Sure, but he actually instructed his justice department to stop defending DOMA and had them state that it is unconstitutional. Those are actions, not just feel good words of a man saying I support gay marriage. Also anyone with a decent political acumen would agree that if he stoped defending DOMA at the begining of his term DADT repeal and hate crimes legislation would not have happened. The sausage making is ugly, but this president has significant policy victories, that takes a politically savvy leader. Pivot to foreign policy and he has done a good job, the only thing suffering is the economy. Inherent by huge corporate profits the government has created the atmosphere for hiring, but the government alone can not create jobs. The jobs problem is one of greed and previous economic mismanagement in both the business world and public sphere. I believe the president has an argument for reelection, and for gay Americans his success is sure to be a boon for ours.

      Oct 2, 2011 at 5:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • JayKay
      JayKay

      @Little Kiwi:

      I’m not going to get full equality under Obama. I’m not going to get it under a Mitt Romney either, but at least with him in the white house I might not be forced to pay for health insurance I don’t need in order to subsidize the old, the fat, and the diseased.

      Oct 2, 2011 at 6:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @JayKay: said…

      “I’m not going to get it under a Mitt Romney either, but at least with him in the white house I might not be forced to pay for health insurance I don’t need in order to subsidize the old, the fat, and the diseased.”
      __________________________________

      Are you joking?? You’re paying for them now. You’re paying for all their treatment at the emergency rooms.

      Additionally, Romney brought in statewide insurance coverage in MA that was one of the models for what Obama brought in. So……you know you won’t get that type of insurance…by voting for the guy who brought it in in the first place.

      Oct 2, 2011 at 6:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      @JayKay: Yeah. Vote for a Mitt Romney, + there’s a lot more than forced health insurance that you’re not going to get.

      Oct 2, 2011 at 6:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Rob
      Rob

      WHAT? Did someone really say they’d prefer Mitt Romney over Barack Obama because of the National Health Care issue? WTF?

      Oct 2, 2011 at 7:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kurt
      Kurt

      @JayKay:

      You really don’t have and don’t want health insurance? You’re either making that up or a fool.

      Oct 2, 2011 at 7:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • the crustybastard
      the crustybastard

      Two years ago, I stood at this podium, in this room, before many of you, and I made a pledge. I said I would never counsel patience.

      Then a couple of days ago, you rationalized your unwillingness to make a priority of the legislative repeal of DOMA by insisting it would be overruled the courts “fairly soon.”

      I met with Judy Shepard. I promised her we would pass a hate crimes bill named for her son, Matthew….we got it done. Because it should never be dangerous — you should never have to look over your shoulder — to be gay in the United States of America.

      And you haven’t prosecuted a single LGBT hate crime under that law.

      I met with Janice Langbehn, who was barred from the bedside of the woman she loved as she lay dying. And I told her that we were going to put a stop to this discrimination. And you know what? We got it done. I issued an order so that any hospital in America that accepts Medicare or Medicaid—and that means just about every hospital—has to treat gay partners just as they do straight partners.

      This rule ends discrimination against all unmarried people, gay or straight. Nice, but not exactly a big lift. Ditto the HIV stuff.

      “Many questioned whether we’d succeed in repealing “don’t ask, don’t tell.” And, yes, it took two years to get the repeal through Congress. We had to hold a coalition together. We had to keep up the pressure. We took some flak along the way.

      You didn’t have to. You could have respected the holding in LCR v Gates. But you had to do it your way because you want keep discriminating against the current servicemembers and their families, and the thousands of unfairly discharged ones.

      All around the world, you’ve got gays and lesbians who are serving, and the only difference is now they can put up a family photo.

      Right. Because the family still can’t have the benefits the servicemember is earning. That sure as hell didn’t change.

      I vowed to keep up the fight against the so-called Defense of Marriage Act.

      By enforcing it.

      My administration is no longer defending DOMA in the courts.

      After years of defending the indefensible while lying about some “duty” to do so. Well, at least you quit lying.

      I believe the law runs counter to the Constitution

      Which means you’re violating your oath of office by enforcing it.

      I don’t have to tell you, there are those who…are looking to enshrine discrimination into state laws and constitutions

      Like yourself? You’ve said that “states should choose,” as if discrimination is a valid choice.

      So I’m going to need your help…to pass an inclusive employment non-discrimination bill so that being gay is never again a fireable offense in America.

      Totally agree. It’s urgently needed.

      You may have heard, I introduced a bill called the American Jobs Act.

      Does it contain a provisions that being gay is never again a fireable offense in America?

      LOL. Of course not.

      Oct 2, 2011 at 9:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tjr101
      tjr101

      @JayKay: Thats typical right-wing drivel, someone who knows absolutely nothing about the present system. You’re already paying for other people’s healthcare with or without “Obamacare” Einstein!

      Oct 2, 2011 at 9:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      @the crustybastard: The American Jobs Act isn’t about anti-discrimination, so why would it address that issue? Separate issue, separate bill. That seemed like a bit of a reach on your part.

      Oct 2, 2011 at 9:54 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • the crustybastard
      the crustybastard

      @fredo777:

      ENDA’s relationship to jobs legislation is far less tenuous a connection than a hate crimes to military spending, no?

      And that’s how hate crimes “got done.”

      Oct 2, 2011 at 11:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • JayKay
      JayKay

      @Kurt:

      I’m 23. I have more important things to pay for.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 2:09 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • the crustybastard
      the crustybastard

      @JayKay:

      You’re 23?

      Surprise! “The old, the fat, and the diseased” have paid your way nearly your entire life.

      You’re the freeloader.

      Perspective. Try it sometime.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 2:30 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      @the crustybastard: I’m aware of that practice, yes. The point is, though, you have to attach it to something that your opposition actually WANTS in order to push it through. Attaching anti-discrimination for gay workers to this particular bill, though, would just be another reason for the Repubs to cock-block it. Which, almost inevitably, would end up with a complete whittling away of all the original intended benefits of the act (“well if you want that, we want this…and you’ll have to lose that…”). I think that’s a silly idea.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 8:07 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • the crustybastard
      the crustybastard

      @fredo777:

      So your argument is that President Obama should never propose legislation that protects gay workers because Republicans will oppose it?

      Evidently he agrees with your perspective. I don’t.

      The way politics ACTUALLY works is you put what you what you want done in your bill, then you make whatever backroom deals you need to get the votes necessary to pass. (E.g. “Well, Senator Tankerbell, I was going to vote to kill that Army Project X built in your state, but I might be willing to reconsider,” or “If you ever want a committee chair, you’ll vote for this.”)

      Politics may once have been “the art of compromise,” but it hasn’t been that way for generations. Politics is the art of leverage. It’s not pretty or nice or fair. Wear a cup.

      The fact antidiscrimination never manages to make it into Democratic legislation self-proves Democrats don’t want it. But you’re certainly welcome to stay on the plantation and believe they love and care about you.

      Look, here’s a shiny new speech!

      Oct 3, 2011 at 10:51 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • FYI
      FYI

      @fredo777 who suggested: “…[ENDA] would end up with a complete whittling away of all the original intended benefits of the act [if combined with any other so-called employment related bill].”

      ———————–

      Hmmmm…you mean kind of like how Obama personally insisted that anti-discrimination provisions, meant to protect Gay and Lesbian patriotic members of the Armed Services from institutionalized bigotry, be stripped out of the repeal of DADT last year even after it became a stand-alone bill?

      …Oh, but some of our Democrap “friends” in Congress and in the HRC rationalized it by saying: Don’t worry, Obama will issue an executive order to the Pentagon to mandate the enforcement of non-discrimination policies and equal treatment of Gay and Lesbian Military Personnel.

      Uh…so where is it? I am not referring to DOMA as it pertains to the military and family benefits — that is part of a separate repeal and/or court action — no, I am talking about still slamming the door of equal protection in the faces of every Gay and Lesbian in the Military even after DADT Repeal in terms of job promotions and work-place harassment.

      ———-

      Kris Coyner wrote recently in the Washington state newspaper, “The Olympian”:

      “In addition to the inequities left unaddressed by the repeal, the wording of the “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell Repeal Act” of 2010 itself is full of holes. Congress did not include a nondiscrimination stipulation in the act. The Pentagon has unambiguously stated that sexual orientation is not among its protected classes. Therefore, the Military Equal Opportunity policy will not change to protect gay service members.

      In other words, gay soldiers are protected from firings, but not discrimination.
      While the repeal lifts the ban on openly gay service members, Congress did not specifically direct the Pentagon to allow them to serve. Because Congress did not explicitly require this, a new president could order the ban be reinstated. Several Republican presidential candidates have stated they would do just that.”

      Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2011/09/30/1820350/repeal-of-dont-ask-dont-tell-policy.html

      ————-

      I also noticed not one Obot could refute what our very astute contributor, “The CrustyBastard”, outlined above about Obama’s hate-f*cking the GLBT Community before his 2010 Congressional ass-kicking in the midterms. Now, Obama crawls back to us for a hug, expecting millions of kisses in the form of both cash and votes from the whipped puppies who have no other place to go.

      Take a tip from the effective, albeit thoroughly vile Tea-Baggers — “Demand, don’t Beg!” …You’ll respect yourself more in the morning for it.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 11:06 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      @JayKay: I love this attempt at logic. People like you care more about “the old, the fat, the diseased” rather than you care about those who through no fault of their own simply cannot afford the high-cost of life-saving medical treatments.

      it’s a stunningly selfish way to live. but given your history for outright bigotry and trolling, that doesn’t surprise me.

      the US is a mystery to me. it’s, apparently, only a “Christian Nation” when it comes to hating Muslims and gays, not when it comes to peace, ending gun-violence, promoting equality and taking care of the sick and the poor. You know, the kind of things that Christ fella would have done.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 11:37 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      @the crustybastard: “So your argument is that President Obama should never propose legislation that protects gay workers because Republicans will oppose it?”

      That isn’t what I said nor is it what I meant. My point was that it shouldn’t be pushed through by attaching it to this particular bill.

      Also, that “stay on the plantation” comment was as ignorant as it was unnecessary to get your point across.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 11:50 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      @FYI: “@fredo777 who suggested: “…[ENDA] would end up with a complete whittling away of all the original intended benefits of the act [if combined with any other so-called employment related bill].””

      I never suggested anything about ENDA’s benefits, actually, seeing as I never brought them up in this conversation. I was talking specifically about the American Jobs Act.

      Side-note: it’s nearly the end of Obama’s first term in office. Have you still not come up with a more original (or relevant) phrase to describe his supporters than Obots? This might come as a surprise to you, but not everyone who doesn’t bash Obama at every possible second is a blind follower/automaton, oblivious to his missteps/shortcomings.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 12:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • the crustybastard
      the crustybastard

      @fredo777: You’re making a distinction without a difference.

      The fact is, for the past three years, Obama has actually done very little to confront and correct discriminatory legislation. Two of those years he had a legislative supermajority. Instead, he directed his energy into defending those discriminatory laws in court, enforcing laws he believes are unconstitutional against gay Americans, and advancing legislation to pointlessly require the continuation of unnecessary discrimination.

      Sure, every bit of that is his prerogative as president — but I’m sick of hearing speeches about how dear equality it is to him in principle. His convictions do not matter if he lacks the courage of those convictions.

      What about my plantation comment belied my failure of comprehension? I didn’t see anything in Obama’s speech that wasn’t, “I’ve been mighty good to you people, and I promise to keep you happy if you just keep working for me?” And evidently it IS necessary to make that point, because there are those in our community who simply despair at the mere idea of ever stepping foot off the plantation. Any failure to wholeheartedly endorse every Democrat is, in their minds, just the same as hacking a Diebold and registering ten thousand votes for Republicans!

      It scarcely matters to them that abandoning the failed politics of Democrats is not the same as embracing the failed politics of Republicans. Because they can only see red and blue, there are no other colors.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 1:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      last time i checked there was never a “perfect” President, nor candidate. the only ones who look back and have false memories of perfection are the dunces with selective amnesia who are still fellating dear dead Reagan.

      You can support Obama and still be critical and put the heat on him. And again, I’ve yet to hear anyone give a specific name for a more viable and pro-Equality candidate.

      dont’ just be “against Obama” – be specific about whom you are FOR.

      if you can….

      Oct 3, 2011 at 1:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      @Little Kiwi:

      Realistically speaking there is no other candidate that is viable nor any that would bring LGBT subject matter or rights or marriage to the forefront.I personally agree that the other candidates if you can even call them that will cause nothing but trouble and add even more bigotry dissension and intolerance to this society then there already is.

      Like him or do not like him Obama has definitely made a difference and without him that difference never would have been made.I’m grateful for that .

      Oct 3, 2011 at 1:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      Obama however does need to implement some kind of law against all these anti LGBT hate crimes and these senseless and tragic suicides that continue to happen.

      If Obama promised this to Matthews mom then he should have already implemented this by now and held those responsible for these crimes under the law.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 1:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      @the crustybastard: “You’re making a distinction without a difference.”

      You are attributing a completely different meaning to my words + I’m not allowing you to put words in my mouth. “President Obama should never propose legislation that protects gay workers because Republicans will oppose it…” OR “You should attach it to something your opponents don’t want to block, as it stands a better chance of getting through (which is the leverage you spoke of)”. There is certainly a difference.

      If you don’t see how there might be a slight disparity between the experience of slaves + that of gays who have a choice to vote Democratic + do so, then I’m not even going to bother with that one.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 1:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      @Michael: the matthew shepard act was passed. by Obama.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 1:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      @Little Kiwi:

      Why hasnt anyone been prosecuted under this law then?

      Oct 3, 2011 at 1:54 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      The Bummer will defend your right to not be discriminated against by fighting to repeal DOMA but the Bummer will not promote marriage equality so you can marry a person of your gender. That’s it in a nutshell. Does anyone know whether or not the Bummer has evolved since this speech?

      Oct 3, 2011 at 1:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      @ewe:

      In 2008 his stance was being for civil unions not marriage.Now I am not quite sure he seems to be of the same stance it doesn’t seem to have evolved much since then. That’s my observation anyways.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 1:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      ewe, do you have a specific candidate for the next election that you feel is more vocally progressive and has a viable shot at winning?

      Michael, I don’t know what you’re asking. The Matthew Shepard & James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act was passed. By President Barack Obama. In 2009.

      It’s also the first American federal law to extend legal protection to trans people.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 2:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      So there is tons of applause from the audience for your representative who says you should not be discriminated against but no questions to him regarding why your representative is not fighting for your right to enjoy the same rights he and people who share his particular orientation do. I get it. Gay people do not deserve to be discrimated against but are not going to enjoy equality either. Not good enough!!! Do not let someone kick the ball further down the road when all he is promising you is the possibility he may “evolve” on the issue. Perhaps. Maybe. Well maybe not either. Who knows. Just wait. Yeah. That’s it. Later. Maybe. Perhaps.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 2:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      so which specific candidate do you suggest as a more viable and pro-Equality alternative in the next election, ewe?

      Oct 3, 2011 at 2:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Michael: i agree.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 2:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Little Kiwi: The election is a year away and there is always have been more than two choices. Spare me the communal rhetoric of any recurring nightmare scenario.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 2:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      You’re clearly against Obama. We get who you’re against. I’m asking you whom you are specifically FOR.

      Which candidate that is more driven toward LGBT Equality, and is indeed a viable candidate, will you be championing and supporting in the next Presidential election?

      if you can’t give a name yet, how about a few names of possibilities?

      thanks in advance for your honest and clear answer to this very simple and direct question.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 2:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Little Kiwi: Oh wait a minute. I have to change my response to you. You are a Canadian and probably not a citizen which means you do not vote because if true you cannot vote in the US which means you should STFU and not get involved. That is the way in which you would react to others right? BTW Welcome.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 2:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Little Kiwi: I am just playing with you and i know you are smart enough to know why. You just love dishing it out so i know you can take it. I am joking for the most part.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 2:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      a Canadian living in the US who indeed remains sociopolitically active. It’s a very simple question. You are more than vocal about how you dislike President Obama.

      I’m asking you to be clear about whom you would offer as a viable alternative – a more LGBT-progressive Presidential candidate. there is no use in being anti-_____ when you can’t be specifically pro-_______.

      so, while it may be too early for you to give the one name you will choose, how about you help everyone out on here by showing us which other candidates should be considered?

      Again, your clarity and honesty in answering this very clear and simple question will be appreciated.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 2:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      what i love is honesty and logic. so, who are the more viable pro-Equality candidates that you feel LGBT people would be better off voting for in the next election?

      Oct 3, 2011 at 2:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Little Kiwi: What YOU are saying is that you are satisfied with the crumbs others will give you as they sit in front of you eating cake. Think about it. Really please. For all our good think about it.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 2:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      Oh, no. I understand that fully. What I’m asking you is to specifically name the other viable candidates who are going to be more progressive and get more work done. Clearly you must know of a few, as you are very clear about how you don’t like Obama.

      that’s what I’m asking you, – I’m asking you who the better viable options are. Thanks in advance for giving a clear and direct and non-evasive answer.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 2:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Little Kiwi: Honesty and logic? Grow up Kiwi. You got some nerve promoting a liar on a gay blog. My answer? We are not voting today and i will be and always have been filled with more self respect and dignity fighting someone who says “no you cant and i hate you” instead of someone who says “yes you can but i am full of shit.”

      Oct 3, 2011 at 2:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      you keep responding to me, but you have yet to even give one name of a candidate, or even potential-candidate, who is going to be a viable option with a stronger pro-Equality stance.

      i get it. you don’t like Obama. nobody is debating that. What I’m asking you is which specific other possible candidates for the Presidency are more actively pro-Equality and are viable choices?

      All you have to do, ewe, is give us the names of these people who you feel would be a better option. I cannot understand why you continue to refuse to list these people, since you have no problem in responding to my posts.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 2:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      @Little Kiwi:

      Smh no one has been prosecuted under these acts or laws whichever they are.So the question is why? Its now 2011 I would have thought people would have been prosecuted by now based on these laws.

      Once again just my observation.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 3:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      I have no idea, Michael. You made a statement about Obama regarding the hate crime laws. I pointed out that he signed into law the Matthew Shepard Act back in 2009.

      If you want to know if people have been prosecuted under this then look into it.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 3:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Little Kiwi: you are somewhat dense Kiwi. Or you just have a one track mind. Take your pick. I said that there is a year to go. Just cause you got your life and thoughts as you see it today in cement doesn’t mean everyone does.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 3:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      @Little Kiwi:

      I just assumed you would know.My mistake.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 3:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      so, ewe, which potential candidate or nominees are viable options with better pro-Equality stances?

      i understand that you do not like Obama, I’m asking you what potential candidates you deem to be better. For some reason, you refuse to directly and honestly answer this very simple and clear question.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 3:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      @Little Kiwi:

      Sarah Palin is the best candidate shes the perfect example of insanity .

      Oct 3, 2011 at 3:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      @ewe:

      I am sorry for the last time we talked I forgot to say that.I always try to hold myself accountable for the things I say and do so I am sorry for the way I acted towards you earlier. I shouldnt let the actions of a few affect how I treat everyone else.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 3:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Little Kiwi: You are so rediculous really. Obama wants to be reelected. He says what he has to and goes as far as he can up against the line in order to get what he wants for himself. That has nothing to do with your rights. Nobody addressed the fact he has yet to fucking “evolve.” Tho HRC has not addressed it. The HRC will take you for granted because they are essentially saying all gay voters will tow the line. WRONG. I don’t care if Obama is reelected. Save your militant bs for someone who is not more militant than you. Obama can say that marriage equality is something for everyone before election day but he won’t. He won’t even be fucking asked the question by a gay organization disguising itself as the arbiter of my interests. That whole Wall Street debacle going on downtown is nothing more than a staged set fueled by the media. NOT YOUNG PEOPLE and their lofty ideals about justice and equality. It’s election year and it is a smokescreen for Obama so people credit the Democrats pretending to be concerned for the everyday man. That protest would not even get coverage if not for that. It is propaganda. 20 somethings just don’t know it. Democrats standing by and watching Unions be stripped of power is one more example of aiding and abetting the elite. Baby that is not presidential representation for all. Obama bailed out Wall Street not Main Street. It didn’t work and now the Democrats are jumping on the wagon of victimhood along with all those who got foreclosed on and lost their jobs. Dispicable. Manipulative.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 3:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Michael: Don’t fret. I am an asshole. Just ask anyone.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 3:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      yes, i hear all of that, ewe.

      now, which potential-candidates that are more Pro-Equality and are viable options do you suggest the LGBT Community support and possibly vote for?

      We all understand that you dont’ like Barack Obama. Now is the time when you let us all know which other candidates or potential candidates are better options.

      It’s a remarkably simple question that you consistently avoid answering clearly and non-evasively.

      Just give a few names, please.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 3:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      to be blunt, stop telling us why you don’t like Obama. We all know you don’t like him. I’m asking you, repeteadly, whom you are FOR.

      which specific potential-candidates are you in SUPPORT OF. we all know what you’re not a fan of, this is the part where you offer a solution to a perceived problem by letting us know the viable candidates who are more strong in their pro-Equality stances.

      my question to you could no be more clear and you are doing everything but answer it clearly and directly.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 3:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      @ewe:

      Met plenty of them here and online for years so im used to it man lol

      Oct 3, 2011 at 3:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      Yeah, ewe, why write a novel about how terrible of a choice Obama is when you’re not even prepared to offer any better alternatives? I don’t think anyone here has said (or believes) that Obama is the end-all be-all, but it might be nice to illustrate why another candidate is preferable. Yes, there is another year or so, but as it stands, who are better options to vote for or even those who you’d hypothetically like to see in office?

      Oct 3, 2011 at 3:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      exactly, Fredo.

      we all hear the “i can’t stand Obama!” rants. What none of the ranters are doing, however, is talking about whom they support and champion.

      be proactive and offer applicable solutions to the problem you see. don’t write an epic novel about why you dislike Obama.

      Offer, with clarity and honesty, specific alternatives that you feel will be better, stronger pro-Equality candidates, or even potential-candidates.

      so, whom?

      Oct 3, 2011 at 3:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @fredo777: hahahah. You are a facebook tween telling people that in order to have an opinion that you won’t cry about i have to cook and spoon feed you a meal to your liking. Fuck you. I got one vote just like you and i don’t owe you shit.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      Actually, ewe, it’s a rational adult saying “we hear you talking about what you hate, now how about you specifically tell us about what you support” , and you continue to avoid being direct and honest.

      we get it. you don’t like Obama. now, whom do you specifically think are better options?

      all you have to do is be honest and give their names.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • the crustybastard
      the crustybastard

      @Little Kiwi:

      What none of the “ranters” are doing is allowing you to reframe the issue in order to derail the thread into pointless speculation, jackass.

      We’re discussing the failures of President Barack H. Obama.

      The H is for “Hold Me Accountable.”

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @fredo777: It might be nice to offer solutions you say? It might be nice if you read what i write and have the candidate offer solutions and answer the quesions that gay organizations you think are representing you don’t bother asking. You are not equal to your heterosexual counterparts fredo and your president that you are supporting does not fully support you.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      it’s actually not “pointless speculation” – it would in fact be a proactive solution to a perceived problem. it’s useless and pointless to bitch about what you hate without offering a clear and directly applicable plan of action to rectify the problem.

      essays on hating Obama achieve nothing. what achieves something is one offering a specific alternative.

      so, perhaps Crusty and ewe can now offer specific examples of potential candidates who are, or will be, viable options and are much stronger leaders and allies for LGBT people and the need for Equality.

      uselessness is bitching about President Obama without offering an alternative. We’re asking whom those alternatives are, and for some reason nobody is being honest and clear about whom they would be. Just more Obama-bashing.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      i repeat, rather than letting everyone know how much you dislike Obama why not let everyone know whom the better options would be?

      why complain when you can offer a specific applicable solution to a problem?

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Steven
      Steven

      Yes, before all of the “I’m not voting for Obama” comments come in…

      I’m tired of the gay community expecting Obama to change things over night. The fact is, we do have a long way to go and choosing to vote one of the right wing crazies into his spot is only going to make the journey rougher and longer.

      People complaining about him voting one way and then the next… think about it… think about what’s in the present and what might have been a result of the past. By not overtly coming out in support for specific gay rights, he was able to win moderate votes who at the time, may not have been completely for gay rights. In a way it was smart and as a result we have a pro-gay president (I get it, you don’t think he’s pro-gay enough)! Think some more… he is the most pro-gay president we’ve ever had. As far as what he can do for the gay community, HE’S ONLY THE PRESIDENT, not king of the world. Laws go through the House and the Senate and because out of your frustrations decided to put Tea Party whack-jobs into the House and now nothing is getting accomplished in the government. Who’s fault is that? Stop blaming Obama, and think of the stupid decisions you made last November.

      I also think people are getting consumed in their one issue stance. Don’t get me wrong, gay rights is at the top of my list, too, but because the bitching queens who didn’t think Obama was working hard enough and voted Republican/Tea Party last November have made it so that I can’t worry about a lot of that right now. Why? Gay rights aren’t going to appear with a part of our government controlled by religious nut cases – so good job.

      If you really believe Obama isn’t a good president because gay marriage isn’t the law of our land yet, take a second to reflect on your personal stupidity.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Little Kiwi: You are a dumb numbskull. I support full equality. Not bullshit talk and halfway “we’ll get theres.” “Someday over the rainbow” is not my lifes song theme. It is not too much to ask for the incumbent to state that you should be able to marry your own gender. I already told you more than once we are not voting today. Of course that is not ringing any credibility to you because you are a Canadian who isn’t going to vote for US president anyway. That should not mean you can’t comprehend my answer i gave to you more than once. I think i am older than you so save the “best of the worst” doomsday bullshit for someone else. I have heard that for decades.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Steven: that’s real nice if your twelve.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      Ok, great. And so which potential candidates should we be looking into supporting in the next election?

      You keep ignoring that question. I’m asking you to follow through with your claims – don’t just complain, offer a specific and applicable solution.

      I know we’re not voting today. I’m asking you which potential candidates do you think the LGBT community should be supporting instead?

      You keep ignoring that. It’s useless to say “not Obama” without offering even ONE name as a possible alternative.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ronbo
      Ronbo

      @Little Kiwi: Howard Dean. Emanulle Cleaver. Elizabeth Warren. And about 100,000,000 citizens who aren’t bought-and-paid for by the wealthy corporate class.

      If a rotten apple is one choice and a rotten banana is the other, would YOU choose the lesser of the two evils? No, I’d get some fresh fruit. You my litta Kiwi are a Dick!

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      Ronbo, thank you for at least offering three names. How am I a dick? Because I was asking someone to offer a solution instead of just bitching?

      nowhere have i said “you have to vote for Obama because he’s the lesser of two evils” – i’ve simply, clearly and repeatedly asked for other potential candidates. You are the first person to have done that.

      I’m not a dick because others are incapable of given clear and direct answers to clear and direct questions.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Little Kiwi: You are in a state of Fear.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:28 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      New York isn’t fear. ;-)

      ewe, you have done everything to avoid being honest. it speaks volumes. we get it. you don’t like Obama. but until you can offer a specific alternative you’re about as useful as tits on a fish.

      being against something is useless if you’re not also actively and specifically FOR something else.

      you’re like that girl in high school who complains that the school dance “sucks” and yet offers not one piece of advice to make the next one better. congrats

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Little Kiwi: and it is self induced fear Kiwi. Not permeating elsewhere beyond you. It is within you. Do you have any idea how you are displaying your self esteem defending someone who doesn’t defend you. Obama playing it safe is not satisfactory. Our equality is not about his reelection. You just think it is.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      im actually not defending Obama, i’m asking you to offer a specific alternative as a potential candidate and you’re doing everything but answer that question.

      i keep saying “who should we vote for?” and you keep saying “Obama sucks”

      that’s not an answer.

      whom do you specifically champion as a potential candidate?

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Little Kiwi: dont even start lecturing me about NY Ms. Canada. My roots are NY. My life those that i come from is all over the tri state area. You are not NY. You are one person. What a fucking ego.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      Ok, great. So whom are you specifically suggesting LGBT people throw their support to in the next election?

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ronbo
      Ronbo

      Let us not forget that Obama tabled DADT and it was pushed back onto the table by Pelosi. Litta Kiwi, you are as ignorant of the facts as you are pretensious.

      By the way, who appointed you “Queen” of the comments section? Your fly is open and your tiny little sceptre is showing. Now skip on back to the Obamabot line where it’s all “oh’s and ah’s” with Obama’s tactics of ordering assassination of US citizens WITHOUT a trial. If Bush had done that’ you’d be squealing bloody murder.

      Think less “Democrat vs. Republican” and MORE “right vs. wrong”.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Little Kiwi: That is exactly what i am talking about. Your comprehension. I said you are full of fear and you respond NY isn’t fear. What the fuck is that supposed to mean Ms. Thing?

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      you said i’m in a state of fear. i’m in New York State. it aint fear. and calling me “ms. thing” or “queen” doesnt’ insult me. unlike you guys i didnt’ have a father that resented having a gay son so i’m not crippled by fears of emasculation. ;-)

      i’m not defending Obama – I’m asking who the better more viable options are for candidates in the next election. so far, nobody is offering any. just a bunch of whining about how much you all hate Obama.

      ok. hate him. but offer an alternative along with it. or else you’re just useless complainers.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @ewe: a girl in high school? oh my. That is not so different than you saying what you previously say all the time which is “yo mama this, yo daddy that, yo sista here, yo brotha there.” I am going out to exercise. good bye.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      exactly. you leave because you can’t give a name. thanks for proving me right. have a great “work out” ;-)

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      @Little Kiwi: get a mirror brat.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • the crustybastard
      the crustybastard

      @fredo777: “You should attach it to something your opponents don’t want to block, as it stands a better chance of getting through (which is the leverage you spoke of)”.

      Well, that’s not really the leverage I spoke of, but whatever. You would be content for Democrats to express their principled position in favor of the Constitutional guarantees of equality by occasionally stapling half-measures and empty gestures to the back of defense bills or new oil subsidies or whatever Republicans salivate over at the 11th hour, and hoping nobody notices or cares too much.

      If you are fine with that, good for you. But we have been promised better than that, and I think we deserve better than that.

      Moreover, the corollary to your point is that if you attach it to something your own party really wants to pass, that also increases its chances, does it not?

      Thus, if Obama’s American Jobs Act can include provisions prohibiting discrimination against unemployed Americans, protecting the jobs of teachers, cops, and firefighters, and creating new incentives for hiring veterans, I don’t see why he can’t address the matter of discrimination, hiring and job security for LGBT Americans. We work too.

      If you don’t see how there might be a slight disparity between the experience of slaves + that of gays who have a choice to vote Democratic + do so, then I’m not even going to bother with that one.

      Not a fan of metaphor? That’s okay. It’s not for everyone.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ronbo
      Ronbo

      @Little Kiwi: Because you start out challenging individuals right to think Obama is a failure. How about I challange you to name all the Democrats who are WORSE than Obama?

      You have obviously NOT read and researched your opinion of support. Read “the Prince” by Machiavelli. Then, Let’s start with these…

      Obama Administration: US Forces Can Assassinate Americans
      http://www.democracynow.org/2010/2/9/obama_administrati

      NYT: Obama Administration Pressuring NY AG To Accept Bank Settlement Instead Of Prosecuting
      http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/nyt-obama-admini

      Dems: Obama Broke Pledge to Force Banks to Help Homeowners
      http://www.propublica.org/article/dems-obama-broke-pled

      Among Obama’s tough budget cuts: money to help needy pay for heat
      http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0210/Among-O

      Labor unions uneasy as OSHA withdraws proposed rules
      http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/141121-labor-une

      Justice Department seeks to have all web surfing tracked
      http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/25/justice-departmen… /

      Treasury Blocks Legal Aid for Homeowners Facing Foreclosure | The Nation
      http://www.thenation.com/blog/156973/treasury-blocks-le

      Drug Makers Win Administration Support in Price Dispute
      http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/us/politics/10drug.ht

      Counterinsurgency Outsourcing: America’s New Mercenaries in Afghanistan, Middle East, Africa
      http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/12/15/counte

      Obama administration readies indefinite detention order for Guantanamo
      detainees http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20

      War Room: Contrary to public statements, Obama admin fueled conflict in Yemen
      http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/12/09/

      A Reversal on End-of-Life Planning Under Medicare
      http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/05/health/policy/05healt

      Obama and GOPers Worked Together to Kill Bush Torture Probe
      http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/12/wikileaks-cable

      U.S. drops demand for Israeli settlement freeze
      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40554057/ns/world_news-mide… /

      Big Polluters Freed from Environmental Oversight by Stimulus
      http://www.iwatchnews.org/2010/11/29/2289/big-polluters

      Obama waiver allows U.S. aid to 4 countries using child soldiers
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20

      The Deal with the Hospital Industry to Kill the Public Option
      http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/10/05/the-deal-with-th… /

      Environmentalists Blast Obama Mining Reversal
      http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/02/national/main

      More Obama DOJ attacks on whistle-blowers
      http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/

      Oct 3, 2011 at 4:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      ewe, all you have to do is offer even one name as a more viable pro-LGBT alternative candidate. your inability to do so doesn’t make me a brat.

      complaining about Obama is useless if you dont’ offer a specific alternative to vote for.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 5:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      @ewe: “hahahah. You are a facebook tween telling people that in order to have an opinion that you won’t cry about i have to cook and spoon feed you a meal to your liking. Fuck you. I got one vote just like you and i don’t owe you shit.”

      Cry about? Ultimately, I don’t really give a shit about your voting suggestions because I’m still going to vote for whichever candidate I personally favor. I just found it funny that you ranted so long-windedly against Obama but wouldn’t offer any alternatives.

      Also humorous, your calling me a tween when your stance actually seems to be “I want everything that I want right now or I’m going to have a temper tantrum”. I think we all want full equality, but it’s not very realistic to expect that we’re going to get everything we want right away. Hence, the request for which candidate you think is a better option for helping us make the MOST progress. No candidate is going to get us everything we want right now, no matter how much they promise to do so. That is the world in which we live, whether or not you dislike “lesser of two evils” arguments.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 5:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      @fredo777:
      why does they always just sound like the miserable rants of a bunch of gay white men who never got over their dislike of black people?

      Oct 3, 2011 at 5:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • the crustybastard
      the crustybastard

      @Little Kiwi:

      You have every right to demand people answer your personal questions fully and completely, and to direct and constrain the topics and conversation in the comments section in whatever way you insist…ON YOUR OWN FUCKING BLOG.

      This is not your blog no matter how hard you try to monopolize it.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 5:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      and all the excuses in the world don’t hide the simple reality that some people are angry little cowards who can only complain and not actually offer anything resembling a specific alternative.

      legions of angry gay white men complain about Obama without offering a specific alternative to vote for. like i said, as useful as tits on a fish.

      why no offers of alternatives? wouldn’t it be better to be Pro-_______ rather than anti-_______ and offering nobody else to vote for?

      voting for “not Obama” isn’t an answer.

      crusty, it’s not my fault that wimps like ewe can’t back their shit up.
      *elegant curtsy*

      Oct 3, 2011 at 5:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      curious, crusty – whom will you be voting for in the next election?

      i was living in NYC and mailed in my vote for Jack Layton in the last Canadian election :D

      Oct 3, 2011 at 5:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      @the crustybastard: “Well, that’s not really the leverage I spoke of, but whatever.”

      I know it’s not quite what you said, but you mentioned leverage + that’s how I see it really being exercised.

      “…stapling half-measures and empty gestures to the back of defense bills or new oil subsidies or whatever Republicans salivate over at the 11th hour, and hoping nobody notices or cares too much.”

      I don’t recall ever stating that we should be cowardly or sneaky in the approach, but I do remember saying I thought there was a better approach to pushing through those particular protections.

      “We work too.”

      Indeed, we do, which is why I didn’t want to fuck up this act which could potentially benefit ALL of us citizens (LGBT workers included). More jobs being created necessarily provides more opportunities for all citizens who are eligible to work, but it doesn’t necessarily follow that because we are LGBT, that we will lose our jobs. That said, I still think it’s important to have anti-discrimination laws in place but don’t feel it’s our wisest move to attach those provisions to this bill right from the start. It could, however, be a good attachment if they counter (which they will) with some of their own attachments/interests.

      “Not a fan of metaphor? That’s okay. It’s not for everyone.”

      I’m a big fan of metaphor. Hyperbole… not so much.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 5:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • the crustybastard
      the crustybastard

      @Little Kiwi:

      There is a fair chance I’ll vote for a nominee from a political party. But the nominees haven’t been determined yet, dumbass. So it would be impossible to tell you who I COULD vote for, much less than who I WOULD vote for.

      And I would no more be inclined to answer that question than I would be inclined to respond to inquiries about my net worth or how I like to fuck my beloved. Certain matters are personal and private, and it’s rude and childish to ask people such questions.

      Am I the first person to tell you this? Were you raised by goats?

      Oct 3, 2011 at 5:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      @Little Kiwi: “why does they always just sound like the miserable rants of a bunch of gay white men who never got over their dislike of black people?”

      I’m going to respectfully decline to make this a racially-driven debate. I know how much a lot of Obama-bashers feel his supporters’ only real argument is “you racist!”. You know…’the race card’ + all that business.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 5:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      No, but I was raised in a country where people aren’t afraid to talk about whom they’re voting for. You’re very vocal about your dislike for Obama – i think it’s rather telling that you’re not as equally vocal about whom you WILL be voting for.

      very telling indeed. ;-) you are upfront about your dislike of President Obama, but not upfront about whom you champion instead. yes. very telling.

      and yes, Fredo, i do hear that. as i like to say “I’ll stop calling you a racist when you stop hating Obama for being black” ;-)

      Oct 3, 2011 at 5:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      @the crustybastard: “Certain matters are personal and private, and it’s rude and childish to ask people such questions.”

      So it’s unreasonable (even childish) to ask someone in a political discussion who they think is a viable candidate? Or to ask who is a better alternative to the particular candidate that they’re railing against?

      Duly noted.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 5:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ronbo
      Ronbo

      @Little Kiwi: Better question- would you support Obama if he was white and republican?

      Do you support assassination of Americans without trial? Obama does and did!

      Do you support funneling money to Wallstreet and Bankers – but not for mainstreet or jobs?

      Do you support NOT investigating the cause of and punishment of the guilty in the financial meltdown? Obama refuses.

      Do you support allowing the air quality standards to remain dangerously high? Obama stopped the EPA from enforcing the planned increased standards (set by the Bush administration).

      Do you support the idiocy of saying that the oil in the Gulf just evaporated? Obama said that.

      Do you believe that the wealthy corporate class should have their Bush tax cuts extended? Obama supported, pushed and signed the extension.

      I’m beginning to believe that Obama might just be a closet Republican. He certainly has been an extension of the Bush Administration. His policy is certainly on the down-low.

      So who on this blog is hiding behind race so that they can support their Republican candidate? Ding, ding, ding!

      Oct 3, 2011 at 5:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • the crustybastard
      the crustybastard

      @fredo777: which is why I didn’t want to fuck up this act which could potentially benefit ALL of us citizens (LGBT workers included).

      Yes, American workers have 99 problems, but LGBT workers have those 99 problems + 99 more.

      This unremitting attitude of “we’ll address your gay problems after all other problems are solved,” is the reason LGBT Americans have fewer rights than our neighbors, and fewer rights than most similarly situated European countries. Ferchrissakes, we should not have fewer civil rights than gays in Slovenia and South Africa. We had a huge head start.

      The metaphor related to the paternalistic attitudes. It’s not hyperbolic.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 5:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      I absolutely hear you, Ronbo. So whom is it you’ll be championing for the next Presidential Election?

      we get it. anti-Obama people don’t have anyone that they support. thanks for sharing.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 5:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ronbo
      Ronbo

      @fredo777: Fredo777, before you go supporting any candidate, please list those candidates who are worse. I demand that. Unless you are going to list them all, then your opinion is not to be heard. That was what ltl’ Kiwi was trying to do.

      This isn’t ltl’ Kiwi’s world. And please injecting race into every single post. We elected Obama already. It’s time to measure people by the content of their character and NOT the color of their skin.

      If you want to get behind a generally good guy who has character AND honesty, try Emanuel Cleaver, head of the CBC. He has the guts to call Obama out on his Republican policy.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 5:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      So you’re voting for Cleaver? Great. Finally someone was honest. That’s all I’ve been asking for.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 6:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      and actually, Ronbo, i was simply asking whom people are championing.

      “Not Obama” is not an answer.

      it’s an evasion of an answer

      Oct 3, 2011 at 6:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • the crustybastard
      the crustybastard

      @fredo777:

      I think it’s rude and childish to attempt to derail a conversation by repeating the same off-topic question over and over and over and over and over. It’s called threadjacking. It is bad form. I also think it’s rude and childish for the guy to then pretend to take a victory lap under the misapprehension he has presented some sort of rhetorical gordian knot when in reality, people are just trying to ignore his increasingly shrill and desperate attempts to troll for attention.

      Look, I don’t care to play “fantasy football” with politics. It is a foregone conclusion that the Democrats will nominate Obama/Biden. It doesn’t matter who I think is better qualified. The Democratic Party will offer me a second helping of Obama/Biden, and I can take it or leave it, or I can lodge a protest vote.

      They’re not good options, but that’s what they are.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 6:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      derail what “conversation”?

      you mean the useless Complaining About Obama by asking people to specifically state whom we should be supporting instead?

      i wouldn’t have had to ask “over and over” if any of the complaining wimps had just grown a pair and been as upfront about whom they support as they were about whom they don’t support.

      You’re ignoring havingto be honest, not me. I’m sorry I ruined your “let’s hate obama party” by asking for specific solutions to the problem you see – namely asking people to be clean about which possible-candidates are more deserving of a vote.

      the childish ones are the immature brats who can’t back up their statements with anything resembling honesty.

      complaining about Obama is useless if you’re not offering a specific alternative.

      the ways you wimps work so hard to not have to be honest is hilarious beyond words. life is so much easier when you’re not doing what you do.

      “The Democratic Party will offer me a second helping of Obama/Biden, and I can take it or leave it, or I can lodge a protest vote.”

      Ok. What do you think you’ll be doing?

      Oct 3, 2011 at 6:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      and how will you feel if “protest votes” result in a GOP-victory and thus complete and utter setbacks for LGBT people?

      some of you have such massive ego issues it’s no wonder Equality hasn’t come to the country – you’re so busy defending your right to your own perceived “point” that you’re willing to fuck things up for everyone else.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 6:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      @the crustybastard:

      “This unremitting attitude of “we’ll address your gay problems after all other problems are solved,” is the reason LGBT Americans have fewer rights than our neighbors…”

      Perhaps, but it is also an undeniable fact that no matter how much we wish to have all of our desired equal benefits/rights granted at once, it is not reasonable to expect as much even if we do demand it all at once. Ideally, we would be able to have it all right away, but I don’t see any feasible option for making that a reality. To be clear, I never stated that I think Obama is the only possible option for president or that he’ll miraculously solve all of our problems. I just think it’s only fair that we give credit where credit is due + weigh our options fairly + evenly.

      “The metaphor related to the paternalistic attitudes. It’s not hyperbolic.”

      I strongly disagree. There are much less exaggerated/extreme/offensive (?) comparisons you could have made, but to each his own.

      ————————————–

      @the crustybastard: “I think it’s rude and childish to attempt to derail a conversation by repeating the same off-topic question over and over and over and over and over. It’s called threadjacking.”

      I’m not arguing against that particular point about the approach, only the notion that asking someone for their opinion of a viable candidate is somehow rude.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 6:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      if people have no qualms with bitching about whom they will not vote for then why are they not equally comfortable and clear about whom they WILL be supporting?

      Oct 3, 2011 at 6:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      @Ronbo: I’ll admit, I haven’t heard much about Cleaver. Thanks for the suggestion. I haven’t cast a ballot yet, so I’ll be keeping all my options in mind.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 6:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      @Ronbo:

      Agreed with the last part especially.

      Anyways really interesting what you said here. I thought Howard Dean was not gay friendly though? Maybe I am incorrect in that regard.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 6:54 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      Ok, homefries… I am starving + Ruby Tuesday’s turkey burger on a pretzel roll is calling my name.

      Ttyl.

      Oct 3, 2011 at 7:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • FYI
      FYI

      @Ronbo: who wrote: “If you want to get behind a generally good guy who has character AND honesty, try Emanuel Cleaver, head of the CBC. He has the guts to call Obama out on his Republican policy.”

      ======================

      Um…let’s not look to the Rev. Emanuel Cleaver for honesty on LGBT issues. I was born in the city where Cleaver was the former mayor in Kansas City, Missouri. He, as usually the case among Democratic politicians, went to all the local LGBT political fund-raisers and events in order to garner money and support from the LGBT community — which he got for his election as city mayor before he ran for his current Congressional office. I was at one of the rallies at the Country Club Plaza where he said during a Gay Pride Event that he believed that all in the GLBT community were entitled to equal rights. He said, in his own left-handed way (his words): “The God I believe in don’t create no trash. You’re just as good as everyone else.” ….Kind of a weird way of putting it, but what the hell, we all believed in the core message.

      Then came the next year after his election. The LGBT community asked for a Gay Pride declaration from the mayor they got elected. He refused and lied that he didn’t believe in declarations and wasn’t in the business of signing them. Ironically, the week before he signed a city declaration proclaiming the cabbage as the city’s official vegetable for the year, but apparently there was no desire on his part to elevate “the fruits” in the Gay community to that exalted position. The scumbag even left town during Pride Week when a little known Republican mayor of Westwood (a small adjoining Kansas town) stepped up and said “what the hell” and signed a Gay Pride Declaration for the LGBT community in Kansas City instead. It made national news.

      In the meanwhile, it seems the Black evangelical ministers didn’t like the Gays in KC and spent most of their time, while Cleaver was in office, trying to get Gay books removed from the Kansas City Library — that is, when they weren’t too busy calling press conferences and burning our books on the sidewalk in front of the city library for the local press.

      As a member of the city council Emanuel Cleaver earlier obstructed the passage of a pro-LGBT city ordinance 1990 that gave some job protections to LGBT employees in KC. The measure finally passed, without his help, after he became city mayor. No, Congressman Rev. Emanuel Cleaver was simply a forerunner to Obama. Both are hypocritical bigots. Pure and simple.

      ————–

      By the way, @ @fredo777 who wrote to me: “I never suggested anything about ENDA’s benefits, actually, seeing as I never brought them up in this conversation. I was talking specifically about the American Jobs Act.”

      …..Well, perhaps you just don’t recall that in your response to “The Crusty Bastard” you claimed that any anti-LGBT-employment discrimination language should not be part of the American Jobs Act.

      Hmmmm…but anti-GLBT employment discrimination IS the crux of ENDA, so by inference, as you responded to “the Crustybastard’s” suggestion that provisions for non-discrimination can and should be added to any jobs bill, you certainly did argue against it as such in that legislative form — suggesting instead that you believed that such an amended bill was not doable in the Republican controlled House. Except the horse-trading that goes on with the tit for tat that each side incorporates could allow such a provision But, of course, look how Obama and the Democrats sold us out on the still provisional repeal of DADT where Obama insisted instead that non-discrimination language be removed from the House Bill, making it easier for his Department of (in)Justice to deny full separation pay to Gay and Lesbian Service Members who had been unconstitutionally separated from their jobs. The so-called “repeal” of DADT also allows any president to bring it back into force without an act of Congress.

      Oh, and of course you never mentioned why ENDA was not addressed in a fully Democratic controlled congress in Obama’s first two years in office and why he did not push for it. Could it be that our own presidential version of Neville Chamberlain was too busy capitulating to the fascist Republican minority in Congress at the time and really not having the spine to fight for all of the issues that got him elected.

      Furthermore, the term “Obot” is as prescient as ever. Whether you approve of it or not is irrelevant. Case in point, your predictable canned response to it’s appropriate usage was actually more cliche’.

      Oct 4, 2011 at 1:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • FYI
      FYI

      Type-O Correction:

      @fredo777…
      Furthermore, the term “Obot” is as prescient as ever. Whether you approve of it or not is irrelevant. Case-in-point, your predictable canned response to its appropriate usage was actually more cliche’.

      Oct 4, 2011 at 1:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      @FYI: Whether I approve of it or not is entirely beside the point. It is the predictable, cliche response to anyone who happens to have a positive view on any of Obama’s actions. If you bothered to find out more about the viewpoints of your opposition, you’d know how ridiculous the term was (specifically if it was used to describe someone like myself, who supports Obama but doesn’t give him a pass on every one of his actions). Fail.

      Oct 4, 2011 at 8:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      @FYI: “…..Well, perhaps you just don’t recall that in your response to “The Crusty Bastard” you claimed that any anti-LGBT-employment discrimination language should not be part of the American Jobs Act.”

      Perhaps you don’t recall, but what I actually claimed in my original statement was that the American Jobs Act didn’t necessarily have to include anti-discrimination provisions, as it was a separate issue. Furthermore, I felt it could do more harm than good (particularly if it were included at the outset).

      I feel we should still push for ENDA-like protection, but questioned how wise it would be to incorporate it into this Jobs Act bill, as it could take away from ITS benefits. How one infers from this that I think we should never fight for anti-discrimination laws baffles me. As I said, I never brought up the specific benefits of ENDA or similar anti-discrimination laws. Your phrasing made it seem as though I had. Perhaps that’s not the way you meant it, but it’s the way it looked based on your original phrasing.

      “Hmmmm…but anti-GLBT employment discrimination IS the crux of ENDA…”

      Yes, I’m aware of the purpose ENDA would serve. Nothing I’ve written should suggest otherwise.

      “Oh, and of course you never mentioned why ENDA was not addressed in a fully Democratic controlled congress…”

      You’re right. I didn’t.

      Oct 4, 2011 at 9:33 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • FYI
      FYI

      @fredo777: who paranoidly wrote: “…(Obot) specifically if it was used to describe someone like myself… Fail.”

      ————–

      Wow! Talk about cliche’, hackneyed expressions… * * * “Fail?” * * *
      …Really?
      How high school of you.

      By the way, no Democratic president has been re-elected (other than Bill Clinton) since the 1940s when FDR was president. Seems like Obama (according to recent polls) is going to be the rule again and not the exception. That is what happens when you piss-off your liberal base. So typical of Democrats who always conveniently forget (at their own peril) who brought them to the prom. They never learn…do they? More’s the pity for all of the “hopey, changey” crowd that got hoodwinked by slick Obie.

      Oct 4, 2011 at 11:04 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      @FYI: “Wow! Talk about cliche’, hackneyed expressions… * * * “Fail?” * * *
      …Really?
      How high school of you.”

      If you enjoyed that, you’re going to love my next reply to what you just wrote…yawn.

      Oct 4, 2011 at 12:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      how come republicans always ignore that their “fiscally conservative choice” of an administration always ends up putting the country into debt?

      Oct 4, 2011 at 12:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • FYI
      FYI

      @fredo777: Actually, that was your last paid trick’s response to your performance in the sack.

      Oct 4, 2011 at 6:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      @FYI: Never paid for it, never will. I’m cute.

      Oct 4, 2011 at 9:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • FYI
      FYI

      @fredo777: I guess those sign language lessons really paid off for you then. Hell, you even got your favorite sex partner, your hand, to lie to you and tell you that you’re “cute”. :)

      Here is a vid I found on the internet of you and Mr. Hand kissing each other:

      http://www.signingsavvy.com/sign/CUTE

      and then another one after sex…

      http://www.signingsavvy.com/sign/BORED/50/1

      Oct 4, 2011 at 11:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • FYI
      FYI

      @fredo777:

      Mr. Hand explaining your sycophantic excuses for Obama:

      http://www.signingsavvy.com/sign/STUPID/413/1

      Oct 4, 2011 at 11:54 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      @FYI: Of course I’m not going to click any of those links, but suffice it to say that I’m not impressed. Yes, my hand thinks I’m cute. But my eyes are the ones whose opinion really counts. They agree.

      Oct 5, 2011 at 12:57 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • FYI
      FYI

      @fredo777: As Woody Allen would say: “Don’t trust your lying eyes.”

      Oct 6, 2011 at 12:08 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777
      fredo777

      @FYI: And on that note, good day to you.

      Oct 6, 2011 at 12:58 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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