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British Muslims Have ZERO Tolerance for ‘Homosexual Acts’

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In addition to learning European Muslims feel more isolated than those living in the U.S., a new Gallup Coexist Index survey from Mogahed and Mohamed Younis reveals temperaments about all those gay issues, like butt sex!

• In France, 78 per cent of the public said homosexual acts were “morally acceptable”, while 35 per cent of Muslims agreed.

• In Germany, the ratio was 68 per cent of the public and 19 per cent of Muslims.

• In Britain, it was 58 per cent to zero. The margin of error was five percentage points in all cases.

For what it’s worth, the study also found only three percent of British Muslims believe sex between unmarried men and women was moral. So maybe it’s just the nuptial factor?

ALSO: “Although stereotypes of Muslims suggest support for honor killings, poll findings showed that French, German and British Muslims actually held similar opinions to that of the general public. Only three percent of French and German Muslims and two percent of British Muslims said honor killings were morally acceptable compared to one percent of the German and British non-Muslim publics.”

[A lArabiya, Al Jazeera]

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On:           May 8, 2009
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  • 210 Comments
    • sal(the original)
      sal(the original)

      well i have zero tolerance for honor killings

      May 8, 2009 at 4:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      I think I need to take a stand, too, against honor killings. I am AGAINST THEM. It was hard to do…I know there’s a lot of support for them in the states…and that I’ll be subjected to all sorts of stigma…but it’s wrong, damnit!

      May 8, 2009 at 4:28 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sal(the original)
      sal(the original)

      i dont get it,if ya dont wanna live in a free society GO BACK TO WHERE YA COME 4ROM!!!simple

      May 8, 2009 at 4:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sal(the original)
      sal(the original)

      they of free flipin choice choose to live in these countries,enjoy the personal freedom but dont want others to enjoy it…….garbage

      May 8, 2009 at 4:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sal(the original)
      sal(the original)

      every single one of them that support hate should be offered a one way ticket to “perfectly moral”societies..lets see em realize how good they had it!

      May 8, 2009 at 4:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tavdy79
      tavdy79

      Unfortunately that leaves two percent of Muslims who see honour killings as acceptable or even commendable – more than enough to ensure that they take place, as happened in my town a few years ago. (The victim was shagging his niece…)

      May 8, 2009 at 4:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John from  England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
      John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)

      Please, this is so reactionary..

      Quantitative research has its limits….

      May 8, 2009 at 4:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Marion from Germany
      Marion from Germany

      Í´m living in Germany and I can´t believe the result, cause we have a lot of honor killings and I think most of the muslims speak against it, but are handling different. Some weeks ago a young woman was killed cause she loved a German. She was beaten to death by her brother and the father helped him. So you see she loved different and paid it with her live. I hate this honor killings based on sick mind what a woman to do or what she has to be.As a gay woman I always see the hate the muslims have against me and other homosexual people. So what can we do?

      May 8, 2009 at 4:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • CHIP
      CHIP

      As for the honor killing question…that is skewed! It’s like when you ask an American “would you vote for an African-American President or Jewish or Muslim?” All got over 85% of Americans saying yes, but when they go into the voting booth…

      I am sure more than 2-3% are in favor of honor killings! If they weren’t, why are they still happening in USA and Western Europe!!!

      May 8, 2009 at 4:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bruno
      Bruno

      I don’t care what any group of people tolerates or doesn’t tolerate, as long as it doesn’t impinge upon my freedom to live my life as I choose. The UK has laws against anti-gay discrimination and even hate speech, so I don’t know what these polls really accomplish, other than to cause even more of a rift between 2 groups of people.

      May 8, 2009 at 5:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jon from Maine
      Jon from Maine

      It’s religion……What do you expect….

      May 8, 2009 at 6:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • KPC
      KPC

      @Jon from Maine: Exactly!

      May 8, 2009 at 6:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John
      John

      Jon from Maine has it, it’s religious people all across the board, they are a group of people ruled by fear and intolerance…you just win with those types, it’s their way or no way.
      One thing for sure, it shows that people seeking freedom from oppressive places bring their oppression with them and foster it in their new location. I think those governments, and ours, should lay down the law of acceptance right up front, you want in? then you leave the bullshit from your old country back in THAT country, if you can’t then you don’t come in.

      May 8, 2009 at 6:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mark
      Mark

      @Bruno: The problem is that the UK is a democracy and its Muslim population is growing. Close your eyes and talk about “causing rifts” if you want, but denial is no solution to this real and worrisome problem.

      May 8, 2009 at 7:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • alan brickman
      alan brickman

      big surprise…

      May 8, 2009 at 7:28 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @sal(the original):
      News Flash:

      A lot of those people ARE from there.
      For instance, I know there is violence and honour killing in the Turkish community in Germany. Many of those families have been there for almost 100 years.

      I am not saying that that kind of attitude should be tolerated, but playing the immigrant card is irrelevant and counterproductive.

      May 8, 2009 at 7:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @strumpetwindsock:

      Plus this is payback for 400 years of cheap labour, tea, coffee, oil, diamonds and all that other stuff. We bought it, now we have to pay for it.

      I am not saying those attitudes should not be challenged, but we can’t pretend that these people aren’t part of our society and that this is not OUR common problem.

      May 8, 2009 at 7:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bob
      Bob

      It’s fucked up world when Muslim Europeans are more tolerant about homosexuality than American Christians.

      May 8, 2009 at 11:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sal(the original)
      sal(the original)

      @strumpetwindsock: ummm DUH some/allot of these people “ARE from there”(here is a fine example http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23367406-details/The+unholy+past+of+the+Muslim+cleric+demanding+the+Pope%27s+execution/article.do ).i say that’s(being born there) even more reason to educate them and show em how good they have it in a free society!

      May 9, 2009 at 1:38 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sal(the original)
      sal(the original)

      @strumpetwindsock: oh and the whole “payback for 400 years of cheap labour” is kinda lame excuse,why focus that hate on the gays???they didnt enslave ya….

      May 9, 2009 at 1:40 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      Because strumpet’s…a kapo.

      May 9, 2009 at 1:54 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John from  England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
      John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)

      @sal(the original):

      Because like most white christians in the US, they’re just insercure humans, who can’t look in their own back garden.

      Oops, am I generalising? Ahh, just like this article…

      May 9, 2009 at 2:33 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • amazingpenis
      amazingpenis

      I agree the honor killing question is skewed.

      In my experience moderate western muslims will tell you whatever they think you want to hear but when your back is turned will condone a whole lot of nasty shit.

      May 9, 2009 at 2:35 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sal(the original)
      sal(the original)

      @John from England(used to be just John but there are other John’s): “generalising” sorry i dont see it,from my personal experience/life i think they are being kind

      May 9, 2009 at 2:42 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • mixed-fruits
      mixed-fruits

      @John from England(used to be just John but there are other John’s): “Reactionary”? Why am I not surprised?

      I’ve read the actual report itself. Have you done that much? Or you don’t believe the Gallup people? Or is it the Coexist Foundation, which provokes your suspicions?

      http://www.muslimwestfacts.com/mwf/118249/Gallup-Coexist-Index-2009.aspx

      May 9, 2009 at 5:28 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Buffy
      Buffy

      Fascist religions need to go the way of the dinosaurs.

      May 9, 2009 at 5:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
      John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)

      @mixed-fruits:

      I’m reading it now, will get back to you..

      May 9, 2009 at 6:40 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      My gut feeling is that Muslim women like being beaten up by their Neanderthal husbands. They’ve got a masochistic streak, poor dears.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Queerky
      Queerky

      So muslim men disapprove of anal sex? Any gay man who has been a tourist in Egypt, Morocco or even Pakistan knows all he needs to do to get fucked up the ass is bend over, in broad daylight, in shops. A friend of mine was fucked by the tour guide inside Nefertiti’s tomb, while his father waited innocently outside. Muslims segregate men and women to such an extent that horny young dudes fuck each other routinely. But they are not gay, that would be immoral.

      May 9, 2009 at 7:43 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Baz
      Baz

      Fucke ‘em if they can’t take a joke.

      May 9, 2009 at 9:29 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @sal(the original):
      I think I said in both of my posts that those attitudes should not be tolerated. I said it TWICE just in case someone might not have been paying attention.

      The problem I have is with the attitude that if someone disagrees with you they should go back where they came from. Many of them have been part of European society for a century or more.

      People started coming our countries from developing nations when we invaded their countries and started taking their resources. Andsaying “the gays” didn’t do it is false. Some of the imperialist decision-makers WERE gay. And secondly it’s is just as much a cop-out as if you said the green-eyed people didn’t do it. We drink coffee, tea, use spices, oil, and benefit from the riches of their countries just like everyone else.

      It makes about as much sense as someone telling you to go back to where your family came from if you don’t like what they have to say. It’s racist, and more importantly it does nothing to solve the problem because they aren’t going anywhere.

      I am all for education; telling someone they don’t belong here is not the best way to get them to start learning.

      May 9, 2009 at 11:11 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:
      I know you have mentioned your jewish heritage before, and I presume you know what that name means.

      You should be ashamed of yourself for using it as such a cheap putdown.

      Besides, you should know the rule about godwinisms being an automatic forfeit of any discussion.

      May 9, 2009 at 11:20 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      Religion is the enemy.

      It promotes divisions which lead to the mass murder of GLBT folks in Iraq by US armed and led sunni police and shiite militia. It promotes the apartheid and ethnic cleansing policies of the zionists in Palestine and the mass murder of GLBT folks by the Iranian ayatollahs. The Iraqi militias, the zionist ethnic cleansers and the Iranian ayatollahs are guilty of war crimes and mass murder.

      The sole difference between what christers and judaic bigots would do to us if they could and what islamist do to us because they can is opportunity, not motive or intent.

      With few exceptions all three cult clusters are irredeemably backward and murderous. In Europe and the Americas christer festivals called the auto-da-fé featuring the torture and murder of untold thousands of GLBT folks, Muslims, Jews and women were suspended not long after the French National Razor was used to shave the heads of bishops and priests guilty of supporting clerical torture and murder during the French Revolution.

      Honor murders are every bit as wrong as the murders of GLBT folks in the US and EU promoted by christer bigots and pandering politicians.

      May 9, 2009 at 11:30 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      @TANK: Tank, if he were to grow up, would love to be a zionist Kommandant, a political twin to Amon Goeth and play god with the lives of Palestinian prisoners in the zionist concentration camp known as Gaza.

      Both are batshit crazy racists.

      May 9, 2009 at 11:33 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      The difference is, strumpet, that these ghettoized (or not) muslims have not absorbed any of culture of the countries (the values of a secular society, for example) their parents relocated to because of that refusal to participate, which is directly caused by religious fundamentalism. Yes, economic and bigoted factors play into that as they always have with other groups, but the poles, irish, jews, italians, blacks and hispanics etc etc etc who were ghettoized after relocation did not commit HONOR KILLINGs or sanction it (or stage riots and actively voice their hatred of, say, the united states government), and absorbed much of the indigenous culture (e.g., americanized). That means that religion more than any other factor is holding them back from participation and integration. If they’re not integrated or willing to integrate, they ought go back to where they came from because they behave like where they are is like where they came from, and desire a change…hijacking liberalism for their own antiliberal purposes. It seems like they’d prefer it.

      May 9, 2009 at 11:38 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      Then stop acting like one. Your apologism is exactly they kind that they depend upon to get a pass for their backward and tyrannical values and actions.

      May 9, 2009 at 11:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:

      My main point is that nobody is going anywhere, so your assertion that people should pack up and “go home” is as pointless as it is insulting. You are simply not talking reality.

      And it’s also hypocritical. Chinese people were valuable enough that we killed one of them for every kilometer of railway in the west, but if they have something critical to say about our society they should go home?

      Muslims were valuable enough that we let them die to forward our empires (British, German and American) but even if they have lived here 100 years they are told to go home if they have views that are contrary with our laws?

      You should also read your history. If I wanted to make racist accusations I could say that some Irish people have committed terrorist acts here (fenian raids, and raising funds for the IRA and UDF), some Italian people have created a criminal empire, some Jews and Poles have committed unAmerican and treasonous acts (Emma Goldman, Julius Rosen)berg – and I don’t know about the U.S., but most of the old communist labour movement in Canada was driven by eastern European Jews, including the Winnipeg General Strike.

      Before you make accusations, I should say I support what Goldman did, and I am generally in favour of the effort for workers’ rights made by those immigrants.

      As well, you seem to think good european immigrants don’t engage in unsavoury stuff like blood feuds or honour killings.

      What about the Hatfields and the McCoys, the Donnellys? for that matter who do you think is committing all the family violence and murders written in the newspapers every day. You pay attention to the ones that aren’t white because they come right out and say it is part of their religion, but when it’s just some white guy who thinks women belong in their place you give him a pass. He doesn’t have to “go home”.

      TANK, you should realize I take this problem at least as seriously as you do. The difference is I am not under the illusion that these people are going to just disappear.

      May 9, 2009 at 12:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      Idiot. Muslim immigrants and islamic fundamentalists living in the west aren’t merely dissenting or have legitimate disagreements with the governments. They want secularism gone. They want sharia law to be the supreme law of the land. End of discussion. And we’re not talking about a minority, either. Most italians and jews and irish people weren’t gangsters…but I’ll take gangsters over these insane religious zealots any day of the week.

      I’m saying if they hate western values and western society so much, wtf are they doing here? It doesn’t make sense.

      May 9, 2009 at 12:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      Your attempt at making every wave of immigration equal to the current muslim problem for western europe is…a complete fail. I suggest you do some reading on the matter. Start with this poll.

      May 9, 2009 at 12:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:
      What do you think the Assemblies of God wants?

      I know most Italians and Irish aren’t criminals, Guess what… most muslims and sikhs aren’t either.
      Some of them are reformers, and believe it or not, some of them are gay.

      My point is that we have to deal with this problem in a mature way, not by imagining we can somehow put everyone we don’t like on a boat or send them off to the soylent green factory. That’s only going to make MORE people hate our society.

      Before we can educate and change these people we have to acknowledge that they are part of our society and that they are not that different than us.

      They certainly aren’t any less tolerant than the people (who think they have personal ownership of our nations) screaming for them to get out.

      May 9, 2009 at 12:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:

      So tell me what you are really proposing…

      Mass deportations? Holiday camps?

      May 9, 2009 at 12:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:
      And I don’t know about the experience in the U.S., but in our part of the world the same ignorant attitudes were held against eastern European immigrants 100 years ago – they would increase crime, drunkenness, and they were lazy. Also, they were seen as traitors (ukraine was part of the austro-hungarian empire in WW1).

      So the situation is not actually that different than our current one, and the comparison of past waves of immigration is perfectly in order.

      You want to make accusations about new immigrants, yet tell me I can’t make historical comparisons? Bullshit.

      May 9, 2009 at 12:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      Okay, you’re exactly the kind of soft head that these people require to install themselves in the fabric of the community and make substantial changes to the local and state legislature to meet their agenda.

      You are generlizing, again (like in the sexism thread), from a tiny slim minority to a majority. It is a logical fallacy.

      Once again, I will repeat, it is not a slim minority of muslims living in western european nations who are in favor of honor killings and hold virulently antigay beliefs (believe they should be stoned), and go out hunting gays in packs as a direct result of their islamic values. NOT A SLIM MINORITY. In fact, it’s a majority. And this muslim majority we keep hearing about is almost entirely silent about the vocal barbarity that this alleged “tiny majority” of muslims advocate. WHere are they? Afraid, perhaps? I don’t think that they entirely disagree. If one of the leading european islamic intellectuals is unsure about the moral status of honor killings, then it stands to reason that that uncertainty can be extrapolated to other “reasonable muslims”.

      Currently, there are about 48 conflicts or wars going on worldwide right now. Guess how many of them are muslim related? 31.

      This isn’t about class or social status, as there are many suicide bombers and phd who fly planes into buildings… Top ranking islamofacist terrorist organization officials are highly educated men who come from extremely well to do islamic families and received the best education the west could provide. So it’s time to rethink that approach. Islam is a death cult who think that women should be stoned to death for adultery, and converting away from islam is a capitol offense. Support for suicide bombing goes up (according to studies) when you correct for literacy and socioeconomic position within islamic culture…the well to do, educated people are for it.

      The treatment of muslim women throughout the world, and including in western societies is like no other immigrant community. No other immigrant or minority community the size of the muslim communities in western european nations routinely publishes books on the proper conduct of beating one’s wife.

      I didn’t say that most muslims were criminals. Your example was the criminal element in immigrant and minority communities… I said that that was extremely small minority. And it was. The jihadists and islamic terrorists are by far more dangerous than any collection of self interested criminals, or extreme (handful of incidents) minority of a minority group who, through probable mental illness or not, does something…treasonous. Stop generalizing from one or two events to excuse islamic extremism by minimizing it and denying it.

      1.4 billion muslims exist, and many believe that you or I will convert to islam or be put to death for our lack of belief.

      In western europe, the birth rates of muslims outstrip those of non muslim europeans by three to four times. France will be a majority muslim country in 25 years. They exploit the liberal enlightenment values of these nations to defend their rampant misogyny, virulent homophobia, and antisemitism and religious hatred regularly preached in their mosques by demanding tolerance for their views.

      Forced marriages, honor killings, and punitive gang rapes are now a regular feature of european society. Honor killing is not unique to the muslim world, but it finds considerable support under islam as it views women as property and considers adultery a capitol offense…women who are raped in islamic countries literally run the risk of being stoned to death because after all, they had sexual intercourse outside of marriage…

      May 9, 2009 at 1:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      You are suffering a liberal delusion that views islamic extremism is a socioeconomic phenomenon and no worse nor better than any other immigrant of minority group assimilated into western culture…this is a poisonous, outdated view predicated on a complete ignorance of islam and the statistical data of islamic attitudes in western european nations.

      May 9, 2009 at 1:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      This is nothing like the nationalist xenophobia that the irish experienced or that any other immigrant minority group experienced… This is real criticism not based on bigotry but reality. THe status of women in muslim nations and in muslim communities in europe is verifiably horrendous. Stop making excuses for them, you simple minded fool.

      May 9, 2009 at 1:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @TANK:

      Because when you do make excuses for them, as you have been by saying that criticism of them amounts to the same ignorant attitudes in the u.s. during, say, the irish immigration wave…your hands are covered in the blood of murdered muslim women.

      May 9, 2009 at 1:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:
      Oh fuck off with your over-the-top bullshit.

      Nobody is leaving here voluntarily. What are you actually proposing? Deportations? Gaza Strip?

      Do you want to round people up? How do propose doing that, and where would you send them?

      It doesn’t make your talk any less racist posturing, but if you’re going to talk shit you should say what you really mean. It’s kind of like talking about guns when you don’t actually know how to shoot. Or are you just bluffing again?

      May 9, 2009 at 1:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      There you go! Accusing me of racism. That’s what you multicult HONOR KILLING ABETTERS do to SILENCE LEGITIMATE CRITICISM. You accuse people of being racists…the ultimate conversation ender right up there with “because god said it!” Fuck you! I merely said if muslims were so unhappy and disgusted with western values of religious tolerance and greatly improved social and legal conditions for women than in their own countries, why are they here? They hate it (and many do…and say that they do every day)…so they should go back, it seems if they’re that miserable instead of commit honor killings in western european nations, and try to make the nations they despise into the theocracies they hailed from.

      May 9, 2009 at 1:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @TANK:

      There is absolutely no hope of changing islam from the outside. IT is impossible. The most vocal opponnents of islam unafraid to tell the truth about it in europe…are unfortunately fascists…who have no credibility because of their stance on anyone who isn’t white european of a certain ethnic and racial background. That doesn’t speak well for the future of “civilization” (and yes, that is connected to enlightenment values and secular society, regardless of what you pomo relativist idiots say).

      May 9, 2009 at 1:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mark
      Mark

      Apparently, if Christians were brown, they’d get a pass from all you leftists.

      Disagreeing with an IDEOLOGY does not make one a racist.

      May 9, 2009 at 1:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      An interesting, non-PC, commentary on this topic from Britain’s Pat Condell.

      http://patcondell.net/

      May 9, 2009 at 2:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:

      Fuck off again for not listening.

      I never said not to challenge their values, nor did I say to give them free rein.

      What I did say is that telling people that they should go home is racist, and if you are going to say it and not admit to what you are really saying it is immature.

      Again – nobody is leaving voluntarily. Either you are arguing for roundups, deportations and concentration camps or you are bluffing.

      And I maintain that you are condemning muslims en masse while giving the rest of us a pass for equivalent behaviour.

      Racist. Racist. Racist.

      @Mark:

      And I’m giving nobody a pass.
      Pay attention to my words, not the whisperings of whatever squirrels are running around your brain.

      May 9, 2009 at 2:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:
      You’re saying that the fascists are the only ones who have it right?

      And you’re calling me the kapo?

      May 9, 2009 at 2:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sal(the original)
      sal(the original)

      @strumpetwindsock: no offense but I LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE “DEVELOPING NATIONS” AND I KNOW ALLOT OF GAYS WHO IN A HEARTBEAT WOULD TRADE PLACES WITH THESE IGNORANT FOOLS,YOU KNOW WHY???CAUSE THEY APPRECIATE FREEDOM!!!THERE ARE COUNTRIES WHERE THE SIMPLEST(STUPIDEST) THINGS CAN GET YOU ARRESTED AND A WHOLE LOTTA OTHER SHIT…AND THIS WHOLE GARBAGE ABOUT THAT ALLOT OF THE IMPERIALISTS WERE GAY WELL DONT YOU THINK ALLOT OF THE VICTIMS WERE GAY TOO?!SO QUIT THAT GARBAGE,THEY HATE ALLLLL GAYS,THE RICH ONES AND THE POOR ONES TOO!!!

      May 9, 2009 at 4:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sal(the original)
      sal(the original)

      @strumpetwindsock: THERE ARE COUNTRIES THAT MUTILATE GIRLS VAGINAS,THERE ARE COUNTRIES WHERE BABIES AND OLD PEOPLE ARE KILLED CAUSE PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE WITCHES!!THIS HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH IMPERIALISM,THIS IS IGNORANT CULTURES THAT DO HORRIBLE THINGS!!!!!I ASK YOU,WHO ARE THE PEOPLE WHO TRY TO FIGHT THIS KINDA OF ATROCITIES ??ISNT IT NOT FREE COUNTRIES LIKE YOURS??!!!recently i had a debate about AIDS funding here where i live and i said that its thanks to progressive first world countries that we have unbiased funding to TRULY fight the fight,if we trusted out government there would be a bias against “unpopular” groups of society….

      May 9, 2009 at 4:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sal(the original)
      sal(the original)

      if we trusted OUR government..error

      May 9, 2009 at 4:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @sal(the original):
      If you live there, I’m sure you can appreciate that the appropriate response is not to invite people to go back to those countries (solving our problems by sweeping them under the rug, then sending armies over there to deal with it, in other words).

      Again…. read my words.

      If you don’t mind my askng, what country do you live in, anyway?

      May 9, 2009 at 4:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sal(the original)
      sal(the original)

      @strumpetwindsock: i live on a little island that our tourist board promotes as “paradise”(ha!)..in the Caribbean

      May 9, 2009 at 4:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @sal(the original):

      Again, I am in no way justifying people who want to impose a islamist lifestyle in our countries, but I the notion of “if you don’t like it here leave” is no way to deal with our social differences, especially since that criticism is often levelled against communities which have been here a long time, bus just happen to be non-white.

      I would think you would understand that, especially if you live in a country that is not a “melting pot”.

      May 9, 2009 at 5:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      KAPO! ANd muslim extremist apologist.

      May 9, 2009 at 5:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @schlukitz:

      Pat Condell is great. Love the guy. Focuses like a laser, and is funny, too.

      May 9, 2009 at 5:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      Yes it is a way to deal with our social differences, and in some cases, deportation is merited. There some social differences that do not amount to the simple minded “agree to disagree” kind of deal. Muslim extremism is one of them. I know you’re of the mind that it’s okay for many, many many european muslims to believe (and act on those beliefs) honor killings are morally required, because hey, that’s just their culture. There are certain attitudes and beliefs that are not to be tolerated because there is no context and nothing that can justify them ever. How islam views homosexuals and women is one of those things. It is ethically repugnant, and anyone (like you) who gives shelter to these values and ideas is promoting the murder and subjugation of muslim women.

      May 9, 2009 at 5:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:
      Yeah, now once again, tell my why you think the european fascists have the right idea, and how you plan to get rid of all the arabs you are complaining about.

      And you’re perfectly entitled to your opinion that people who don’t fit in have the option of leaving. Just don’t expect anybody to rush to your defense when the fundies tell you to go back to your shtetl if you want to have gay rights.

      May 9, 2009 at 5:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:

      Now you ARE kidding.

      You know I never said we should tolerate those attitudes (in fact, I have repeatedly said the opposite).

      And if you look at the original article, most muslims are not in favour of honour killings either.

      Wanna stick to the facts… or is that too challenging for you?

      May 9, 2009 at 5:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      But I don’t hate western values and enlightenment ideals. Muslims do, so the comparison is a little off, shit for brains.

      May 9, 2009 at 5:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      Of course you have said we should tolerate their values. They’re not going anywhere, so we should tolerate them because after all, they’re no worse than any other wave of immigrants…it’s all the same to you. Criticism of honor killings is no different, to you, than the ethnic bigotry that the irish experienced…it’s all one big simple minded equivalence with no argument to back it up. Fuck you. You make me sick.

      May 9, 2009 at 5:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      We have no way of knowing for sure how many european muslims think that honor killings are acceptable, but far greater than the article mentioned do–we can infer that from the silence of the so called moderate muslims. More than a fraction of a percentage, okay? LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of them. That should give you pause. Further, what about the tolerance of gays in britain? Hmm?

      May 9, 2009 at 5:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:
      How about going by the actual poll, which states that only three percent support honour killings… or does the truth interfere with your world view?

      And you do seem to disagree with some peoples’ western value of straight marriage.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      How about going by a wealth of pew survey results as named by Sam Harris in a letter to a christian nation?

      It’s more than 3 per cent. But even 1 per cent would be 1 per cent too much.

      That last bit is a total red herring.

      May 9, 2009 at 6:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:
      I’d still like to know what you mean when you said that the european fascists are the only ones who are telling the truth.

      http://www.queerty.com/british-muslims-have-zero-tolerance-for-homosexual-acts-20090508/#comment-161341

      May 9, 2009 at 7:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      Well, what I meant by that is that the nationalist parties in europe which are usually composed of skinheads who don’t shave their heads and wear suits…are condemning muslims because they’re anti immigration, pro nationalist ethnocentric xenophobic, antisemitic, homophobic, racist bigots. They’re doing for the wrong reasons, and have no credibility. However, that they’re condemning the violence is on track…but…they’re fascist trash.

      May 9, 2009 at 8:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      Some of them, like theo von gogh (was brutally murdered by cowardly muslim extremists) are not fascists and not racists and not bigots. If we had more of those strong secularists as the most vocal coterie of enlightened europeans condemning the toxicity that is islam (and all abrahamic faiths including judaism and christianity…just think, every time you’re ashamed of your sexuality and body…you can blame it on an elderly jewish scholar well over five thousand years ago…) instead of this group of xenophobic fascists, we’d be well one our way to maintaining those secular enlightenment values which took us a long time to evolve and will require strong backbones than you’ve got strumpet, to defend.

      May 9, 2009 at 8:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      And make no mistake, strumpet, without the ideas planted in the enlightenment, there wouldn’t be any women’s liberation, gay rights movement, civil rights movement, or anything like that. With the sea change advocated that instead of coming up with ad hoc a priori narratives and explanations of the world and all of its phenomena, one should explore it and find out how it actually works, commitment to the truth and rationality–which is to constantly question assumptions and always accord belief to the actual evidence– the discovery of human dignity in rights accorded to all “men” (and later women and minority groups denied personhood as these ideas evolved like any other) and true egalitarianism (which we’re still trying to measure up to), then there wouldn’t be much of a society worth living in today. We take it for granted, but the enlightenment is why we are where we are as a society and culture. Those ideas have revised and improved upon since their inception (though not many…can’t really improve upon Hume).

      Islamic culture is way behind us after a glimmer of brilliance during our medieval period.

      May 9, 2009 at 8:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:
      Yeah, it takes a lot of backbone to deal with your problems by packing them in a boat and sending them away.

      THAT is the bullshit attitude I am talking about. If you think western society can spend 500 years raping the rest of the world and then just put up a firewall you are sorely mistaken.

      I am not talking about knuckling under to anti-secularist sentiments at all. I AM talking about the fact the problem is already a part of our society and we have to deal with it as such.

      And your anti religious rant is just nonsense. In the first place, you will never wipe it out. In the second place, those great reform movement for the most part came from religious traditions just as much as from humanist ones.

      Perhaps you should read some of the many people who are challenging Islamism from within their faith, like Tariq Fatah before you go on your rants about how barbaric they are.

      May 10, 2009 at 12:02 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      ..Besides, we’ve already tried deportation (and other methods) for getting muslims out of Europe. Remember the Balkan War?

      That was a neat and tidy operation, wasn’t it?

      And it sure solved the problem.

      May 10, 2009 at 12:15 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @strumpetwindsock:
      As a matter of fact, I can’t think of any expulsion or firewall that has EVER worked for very long, though we sure have tried them as a means of eliminating a political or social threat:
      Edward II making the Jews wear stars (and later deporting them), The Pale, the Albigensian Crusade, The Bartholamew Massacre, Ulster, Apartheid, Indian residential schools, Japanese Internments, the Iron Curtain, the Ukrainian Genocide, the Holocaust, Rwanda, Kampuchea.

      I’m sure they all seemed like the right and final solutions at the time, but they never work in the long term. And trying to deport the problem won’t work this time either.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:18 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @strumpetwindsock:
      ooops. I meant Edward I.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:32 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      zzzz. They didn’t come from religious traditions, but secular ones. It is a gross misappropriation of history to suggest that, say, the abolitionist movement came from religious traditions, when, in reality, without the enlightenment and those ideas, it wouldn’t have occurred. Those abolitionists justified their beliefs with secularism, and as an afterthought, thought it would behoove their ideas to tie them to christianity.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      A minority opinion.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      Those muslims who have attempted to challenge the dogma of their faith live in hiding, and are often the target of assasination attempts.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      This misfire of understanding history is a testament to the fact that you need to step aside. Go away. You have no grasp, and no ability to understand the impact and the realities of the situation.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:51 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      I don’t mean to give you the impression that you’ve a leg to stand upon in this debate. You have proven, already, that you’re more than willing to wash your hands in the blood of muslim women time again on this thread in your defense of Islam in europe with all manner of illogic. You are the fallen, and therefore, deserve no serious consideration. YOu talk out of both sides of your…mouth.

      I imagine next you’ll bring as a pathetic defense of Islam (it’s disverse in opion…not it’s not…it’s a homogeneous opinion for the most part) reza aslan and this petty and irrelevant apologetics. You, like him, just fail to understand, and no amount of facts or argument will convince you otherwise. More fundamentalism.

      May 10, 2009 at 2:00 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • michael
      michael

      They are all the same people! Religious fundamentalism, whether it be Christian, Judaism, Islam on and on are all the same! They hate the same things, they all suffer from the same moral superiority complex and they are all controlling, shame based, fear based, thought systems which have fabricated a God which has the power to destroy their souls if they do not toe the line and a God which they use to justify their hatred and immorality. The question is not what do we do about Muslims, its what do we do about all of them? They are destroying this planet, they are destroying the souls of humanity and we as gay folks know better than anyone that they are relentless and evil.

      May 10, 2009 at 2:55 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • chapeau
      chapeau

      I have developed a zero tolerance for religion.

      May 10, 2009 at 3:41 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:
      For the benefit of those who will recognize the opinion of a celebrated historian (though there are plenty others) there is reference in here to the fact British abolition was a purely religious campaign. There was virtually no economic pressure; it was simply the right thing to do:
      http://news.stanford.edu/news/2007/november7/abolition-110707.html
      http://articles.latimes.com/2007/feb/21/opinion/oe-loconte21

      Not trying to slag Jefferson, because I greatly admire him (and much of what Americans have done, I should add) but all his secular humanism did not help him in this area.

      And I know you will tell me this was just the humanist tradition influencing the poor superstitious dears, TANK. So you don’t even need to write it. I am talking past you again.

      May 10, 2009 at 6:10 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      ..primarily religious, I should say.
      I should be clear and say I sure there are some athieists who supported it, but the major reformers were religious, used religious rhetoric, and the campaign had the power of the churches behind it.

      May 10, 2009 at 6:12 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:
      You should actually read up on this fellow:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarek_Fatah

      He is probably safe for you to read without your eyes burning out, since he is a secularist. He does defend the Koran, though.

      One of the things he points out in his works is that sharia law is not actually religious law based on the Koran, but secular law which the Mullahs allowed Caliphs to codify because they were defenders of the faith.

      They were no different than laws passed by any other medieval ruler. The difference is that sharia is now considered the word of god, even though it is not.

      He’s not the only muslim reformer in the world, BTW. And many are not in hiding.

      Here’s a good interview with him about the perversion of Islam
      http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/features/chasing-a-mirage/

      May 10, 2009 at 6:23 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      Yet no mattered bloodied and humiliated you are in our exchanges, you continue. It is a character flaw of yours.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @TANK:

      matter even. You’ve been destroyed. This person you reference, like reza aslan…is a fraction of a fraction of a per cent of muslims. He speaks for…basically himself.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      No, it certainly wasn’t. It’s not the articles I”m disagreeing with, it’s you. Enlightenment thinkers like Hume deplored religion, and slavery and wrote about its moral wrongness. Your illiterate recasting of history to make the abolitionist movement in britain or around the world a religious movement (or even a primarily religious movement) simply does not have any factual backbone. Of course many of the abolitionists relied on religion because it was popular, but they didn’t justify their abolitionism with the bible. Instead, that was done not only by enlightenment thinkers, but in the case of american abolitionists, vocal philosophers like John Stuart Mill who provided secular arguments against slavery.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      You relying on your mythical book to reinterpret history to suggest that the british enlightenment had nothing to do with the abolitionist movement in terms of it secularizing thought is more fundamentalism from a religious zealot like you…and you are a religious zealot.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
    • john Weller
      john Weller

      @TANK: The only thing that is mythical is that homesexuality is normal

      May 10, 2009 at 1:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • vernonvanderbilt
      vernonvanderbilt

      @john Weller: There’s another myth that you forgot to mention, the myth that your existence matters.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @john Weller:

      “Anyone who believes that God is watching us from beyond the stars will feel that punishing peaceful men and women for their private pleasure is perfectly reasonable. We are now in the twenty-first century. Perhaps we should have better reasons for depriving our neighbors of their liberty at gunpoint. Given the magnitude of the real problems that confront us – terrorism, nuclear proliferation, the spread of infectious disease, failing infrastructure, lack of adequate funds for education and health care, etc. – our war on sin is so outrageously unwise as to almost defy rational comment. How have we grown so blind to our deeper interests? And how have we manages to enact such policies with so little substantive debate?”

      May 10, 2009 at 1:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • john Weller
      john Weller

      @vernonvanderbilt: LOL anouther intelligent post Perez LOL

      May 10, 2009 at 1:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John from  England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
      John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)

      @ Strump and TANK ‘the wanker’

      First of all, knowing humans as we do, loosing money was the original for abolition in the Uk…not some genuine sense of ‘why am I so evil’?

      And WHAT about Strumps pragmatic attitude towards life and society is making HIM a zealot???

      TANK you’re such a disappointing prick.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • vernonvanderbilt
      vernonvanderbilt

      @john Weller: The posts I have made in the last 24 hours show more intelligence than anything your bigoted team has had to say. If you want anyone here to take you seriously (and that’s a big if, because I don’t see it happening) you’d try to engage rather than attack. All you’ve shown during your time on our site is that you haven’t a leg to stand on, so prefer to belittle people and call them names instead. Make an argument or go away.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • john Weller
      john Weller

      @TANK: Your posts are absolutely void of reason or intelligence. The only person’s liberty that is being challanged is Mrs. Cali. Go oil up your man and then go to school. You have no clue about liberty. Just read a 4th grade hitroy book.LOL

      May 10, 2009 at 1:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John from  England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
      John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)

      @vernonvanderbilt:

      “@john Weller: There’s another myth that you forgot to mention, the myth that your existence matters.”

      THANK ‘F*cking’ YOU.

      :)

      May 10, 2009 at 1:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • vernonvanderbilt
      vernonvanderbilt

      @john Weller: You say her liberty is being challenged, but I don’t see you explaining how, exactly.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • vernonvanderbilt
      vernonvanderbilt

      @John from England(used to be just John but there are other John’s): No problemo, bro. ;)

      May 10, 2009 at 1:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John from  England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
      John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)

      @john Weller:

      “The only person’s liberty that is being challanged is Mrs. Cali.”

      Why? Is she the minority??

      Are died blonde skinn hetero girls the minorities and victims in the US??

      WOW.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @John from England(used to be just John but there are other John’s):

      Pragmatic? He’s taking a lone voice in the muslim community and making it the majority voice. This overlooks and excuses the atrocities committed DIRECTLY because of islam. He’s a poor apologist.

      Second, he’s always defending christianity and, it seems, fundamentalism from criticism. He does a horrible job, but it’s a pattern of him defending his christian values and beliefs AND maligning and mischaracterizing atheism.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • john Weller
      john Weller

      OK Peace – Out, if you are still in this discussion you are not being heard from anyone who is going to change thier views, so I suggest you go have fun. Mrs California is at the beach in Malibu

      May 10, 2009 at 1:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John from  England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
      John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)

      @John from England(used to be just John but there are other John’s):

      “skinny”

      May 10, 2009 at 1:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @John from England(used to be just John but there are other John’s):

      And the bible justifies slavery several times over. So the choice to invoke religion was a strategic one within the abolitionist movement that would not have been possible if not for the enlightenment.

      We’re not talking about the real reasons why slavery was outlawed, but the abolitionist movement.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • vernonvanderbilt
      vernonvanderbilt

      @john Weller: That’s it, boy. Run away. It’s what your kind are good at.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John from  England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
      John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)

      @TANK:

      How??

      I’ve never seen him defending any value but what he sees and researche’s!

      What do you consider Islam?

      Pre what f*cking time??

      So much happened BC that it’s embarressing that it’s ignored in the western world due to racism…but also, it was ALL arabic..therefore Islam or not??

      May 10, 2009 at 1:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • john Weller
      john Weller

      @John from England(used to be just John but there are other John’s): She gave her opinion and then your your leader called her a bitch and then your media attacked her. LOL you libs are so small minded. Donald will give her a spanking to keep you watching and the rest of the world will remain oblivious to this pathetic attempt to undue what was voted on. LOL Have a nice mothers day

      May 10, 2009 at 1:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John from  England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
      John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)

      @TANK:

      I get that and I agree but when it went to parliament/govt it was ALL to do with the economy…

      The spanish, portuguese and the growth of America started to make a lot more money the the british regarding slavery, it was an economical business decision..

      May 10, 2009 at 1:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @John from England(used to be just John but there are other John’s):

      Ah, most of that didn’t make much sense. So, I suggest you look up the thread about bishop harry jackson where he basically calls atheism a religion and defends his christian beliefs…poorly.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      While strumpet and tankie duke it out for honors or “Most Confused And/Or Obnoxious Blogger of 2009(or insert current year)” the rest of us can try to resolve the questions raised here without to mass deportations.

      There is a clear background to the rising rage of muslims.

      Religion and empire building are the main enemies of humankind. Religion, it’s been said, is humankind’s worst self inflicted wound. Combine it with the racism of empire builders and advanced weapons and you’ve got a recipe for disaster. The sky gods were invoked to bless the armies that murdered roughly 200,000 muslims in Bosnia Herzegovina a decade ago.

      That figure, awful as it is, pales in comparison to the death toll in Iraq at the hands of the US, its allies and satellite states. Nearly one and a quarter million have been killed for the real gods, Haliburton, Chevron/Texaco.

      The ruthless and incessant attacks by the US in south Asia from Palestine to Pakistan are the backdrop for the growing hostility of people from muslim cultures and the sharp increase in the ability of rightwing islamists to find scapegoats in the GLBT communities. Like their delusional and cowardly cousins in the judaic and christist cults the islamists take the safe way out. They want to direct the legitimate rage of muslims to easier targets like us instead of taking on more dangerous culprits like the US oil companies and the politicians on their payroll.

      In self defense we should ramp up our opposition to Washington’s oil war and mount a campaign that takes on mendacious hustlers like Obama, the Bushes, and the Clintons who are the real enemies of muslims and working people. Our job is to oppose the wars of the imperial oil barons and fight the attempt to scapegoat our communities by bigoted islamist leaders.

      The question of how much islamophobic racism exists in US and Canada was answered in this discussion. It’s very high and has the same origins as other forms of bigotry like racism, national chauvinism, misogyny and etc.

      It’s pretty sick stuff and in my opinion it’s not worth arguing with islamophobic bigots who defend zionist apartheid and ethnic cleansing, mass deportations and Obama’s genocide. They’re mentally ill. They need medical treatment.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @John from England(used to be just John but there are other John’s):

      I don’t dispute that. What I dispute, however, is that the abolitionist movement in britain was PRIMARILY based on christianity…and had nothing to do with the secularizing effects of the british enlightenment’s reconception of man and his place in the world. This because the bible has been used throughout the history of slavery (at times) to justify slavery, and it was more than scripture being quoted by wilberforce–it was reasoned argumentation–secular appeals.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @Bill Perdue:

      This completely misunderstands islam and the islamic worldview. This isn’t about economic hardship or political powergrabs in, say, iran. The most vocal supporters and leaders of fundamentalist islamic terrorist groups are highly educated men who come from extreme wealth and privilege. When you correct for literay and socioeconomic status, the defense of suicide bombing as a useful social tool to achieve one’s religious and political (one and the same for many of these people) goals INCREASES.

      May 10, 2009 at 1:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John from  England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
      John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)

      @TANK:

      LOOK I’m not your enemy but even if I was….??

      I am actually an aetheist…so I WILL look up the person you just suggested…

      May 10, 2009 at 2:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John from  England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
      John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)

      @TANK:

      Yeah, I agree.

      May 10, 2009 at 2:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @TANK:

      This story is that if we correct for standard of living (improving it), religious fundamentalism will go away. Well, we know that doesn’t work. That’s not the culprit here and never was. Many middle class and upper class muslims who are educated hold these fundamentalist beliefs (e.g., it’s okay to kill your daughter if she offends your honor).

      May 10, 2009 at 2:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John from  England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
      John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)

      @TANK:

      What do you call Egyptians who started our civilisation? In terms of speech and writting?

      THEY are arabs, actually with a big blob of black! (god forbit!)

      So are the Islam?? What is ISLAM? Is it not just like (after the roman times) Neo Christianity?

      May 10, 2009 at 2:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      “If religious war is ever to become unthinkable for us, in the way that slavery and cannibalism seem poised too, it will be a matter of our having dispensed with the dogma of faith. If our tribalism is ever to give way to an extended moral identity, our religious beliefs can no longer be sheltered from the tides of genuine inquiry and genuine criticism. It is time we realized that to presume knowledge where one has only pious hope is a species of evil. Wherever conviction grows in inverse proportion to its justification, we have lost the very basis for human cooperation. Where we have reason for what we believe, we have no need of faith; where we have no reasons, we have lost both our connection to the world and to one another. People who harbor strong convictions without evidence belong at the margins of our societies, not in our halls of power. The only thing we should respect in a person’s faith is his desire for a better life in this world; we need never have respected his certainty that one awaits him in the next.”

      May 10, 2009 at 2:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @John from England(used to be just John but there are other John’s):

      you don’t know what islam is? Well, you should google it. Here a hint: it’s a religion.

      May 10, 2009 at 2:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John from  England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
      John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)

      @TANK:

      Sorry, I was being too holistic and intellectual,

      Apologies.

      May 10, 2009 at 2:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @John from England(used to be just John but there are other John’s):

      Yeah…I’m sure you were…

      May 10, 2009 at 2:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John from  England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
      John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)

      @TANK:

      You’re too sweet.

      Thanks.

      :)

      May 10, 2009 at 2:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      @TANK: You’re a racist islamophobe and that thinking disorder warps everything you say.

      Before you spew out garbage like “The most vocal supporters and leaders of fundamentalist islamic terrorist groups are highly educated men who come from extreme wealth and privilege” and “The most vocal opponnents of islam unafraid to tell the truth about it in europe…are unfortunately fascists…” just substitute ‘Jew’ for ‘islamist’. What you get then is a something remarkably similar to Goebbels insane racism in the pages of “Der Angriff”. It too was a prelude to mass murder.

      Your only lament is that current European fascists lack credibility. That’s another lie. They had enough credibility to murder 100,000 muslim men in Bosnia Herzegovina. They’re just emulating the mass murders of muslims in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Your inability to grasp the politics of Washington’s war on the muslims for oil is based on your bigoted views about a culture you fear and hate.

      Fortunatly you’ve reached the point where your racist garbage is being spewed publically. Everyone can smell the stech of racim when you talk.

      May 10, 2009 at 3:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @John from England(used to be just John but there are other John’s):

      Thanks for the help John.

      I know you are from there, so you may well have information I do not, but every history I have read about British abolition noted that it was primarily a religious and moral campaign, and that there was no significant financial pressure to end slavery.

      Again, I may be mistaken, but there are enough histories put forward that analysis.

      For that matter, the anti-absolutionist movement was also in part religious – Presbyterian, Puritan and Anglican. Fact is they saw themselves as anti-superstition, anti-oppression, and anti-pope, but it was still a mix of religious and political concerns which drove reform from your civil war through the glorious revolution.

      And a good many of our labour parties (at least here in Canada) were started by church ministers.

      @TANK:
      Head of the Canadian Islamic Congress, actually (yeah, I know you think Canadians are tiny nobodies).
      Do you actually know any muslims? I know quite a few, and they aren’t all the same. First one I met was gay, the second one worked for a Jewish newspaper; as far as I know she didn’t end her career by cutting their throats, either.

      *opening up my shitstorm umbrella now*

      May 10, 2009 at 3:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @Bill Perdue:

      You’re a fool. I will not be silenced by idiots whose only defense of the murder of women and homosexuals by islamofascists is “racist”. This is not a socioeconomic problem. As I said, time and again, those that commit suicide bombings and advocate honor killings are, in fact, well educated muslims of middle to upper middle class to extravagantly wealthy backgrounds. Where are the tibetan suicide bombers?

      May 10, 2009 at 7:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      Head of the canadian islamic congress?! NO WAY! If I had only known, I would retract everything…LOL! Islam is a religion of peace and all those reports of women being abused and murdered as a result of islam are clearly lies!

      Look, idiot, there are 1.4 million muslims worldwide, and neither reza aslan nor the head of the canadian islamic congress speaks for even a fraction of a fraction of a per cent of them. Regularly, homosexuals are tortured and executed in islamic theocracies like saudi arabia and iran. WOmen are stoned and beaten, and have next to no rights in islamic culture.

      May 10, 2009 at 7:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @TANK:

      LOL! I don’t usually fuck numbers up. there are over 1.4 BILLION muslims worldwide.

      May 10, 2009 at 7:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @Bill Perdue:

      godwin’s law, automatic fail….

      May 10, 2009 at 7:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:
      If we’re playing by Godwin’s rule, you failed way back at post #21. baby:
      http://www.queerty.com/british-muslims-have-zero-tolerance-for-homosexual-acts-20090508/#comment-161168

      Guess you’ll have to find another insult to throw at me.

      @TANK:
      And I thought you might get a kick out of that; not that I expect you actually read any of his material.

      I’d still like to know if you know any real live muslims (as in, do you actually have a clue what you’re talking about, like my question about whether you know how to shoot a gun or not).

      May 10, 2009 at 8:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      No, that’s not true. You are a kapo.

      May 10, 2009 at 9:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      Yeah, islam’s a religion of peace. Everyone’s wrong. They just don’t understand that according to islam, throwing acid on a fourteen year old girl’s face is considered a compliment.

      May 10, 2009 at 9:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      those crazy kids and their romance! Acid in the face spices up a relationship…keeps things interesting and breaks up boring routine.

      May 10, 2009 at 9:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:
      I can see that as usual you’re not letting reality get in the way of your constantly-changing rule book.

      I was born in 1961, TANK. Kapos were Jewish Nazi KZ collaborators in WW2. You are using Nazi hyperbolae, not making a legitimate historical Nazi reference. That’s a fail, according to Godwin’s law (the clause you just invoked):
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

      And do you know any actual muslims, or are you basing your arguments on something you got out of Fu Manchu or Indiana Jones?

      May 10, 2009 at 9:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      Yes, and you should know that the context differs for you, but a kapo you are nonetheless. And you’re really old.

      May 10, 2009 at 9:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      and anecdotes are useless in gauging the attitudes of entire groups of people.

      May 10, 2009 at 9:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:
      Do you really think so?
      Because you seem to be pretty determined to paint all muslims as rabid murderers. I know such people exist, but I have never met one in my life (and I do know a few muslims, and have met many more).

      @TANK:
      And if you’re lucky you’ll get to be as old as I am (though I doubt you’ll have as much fun as I have had in the process). From the way you ridicule people, somehow you strike me as someone very afraid of growing up

      May 10, 2009 at 10:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      I suggest you go by pew survey results and reports.

      “In a YouGov/Daily Telegraph poll of British Muslims
      taken in the week following the July 7 London transport
      attacks, 24 percent of those surveyed sympathized with
      the bombers and 6 percent said that the bombers were
      “fully justified” in their actions. Perhaps more disturbing,
      1 percent of those polled said that they were prepared
      to bring about change through violent means.”

      “And in a 1997 survey of 1,200 young Turkish Germans,
      about a third said they believed that Islam should come
      to power in every country and that using violence
      against non-believers would be justified if it served the
      greater Islamic good.”

      And Turkey is a comparatively secular society contrasted with other muslim nations.

      “Another 56 percent said that Muslims
      should reject Western ways in favor of Islam.”

      http://tinyurl.com/puyj4h

      “The polling also finds that in most majority-Muslim countries surveyed, support for suicide bombings and other acts of violence in defense of Islam has declined significantly. In Turkey, Morocco and Indonesia, 15% or fewer now say such actions are justifiable. In Pakistan, only one-in-four now take that view (25%), a sharp drop from 41% in March 2004. In Lebanon, 39% now regard acts of terrorism as often or sometimes justified, again a sharp drop from the 73% who shared that view in 2002. A notable exception to this trend is Jordan, where a majority (57%) now says suicide bombings and other violent actions are justifiable in defense of Islam.”

      http://tinyurl.com/9nyxr

      “Young British Muslims are more likely than their elders to support Shariah law and admire al-Qaida, but three-fifths of 16- to 24-year-olds say they have as much in common with non-Muslims as with Muslims, according to an opinion poll published Monday.

      The poll — conducted Dec. 4-13 by Populus for the Policy Exchange, an independent think tank — found that 37 percent of the 16-24 age group would prefer Shariah law based on the Quran, compared with 17 percent of those over 55.”

      http://tinyurl.com/qnpxou

      “Throughout the Muslim world, opinions of Jews are highly unfavorable. Dislike of Jews is universal in Jordan and Lebanon, with 99% of the publics in both countries saying they have a very unfavorable view of Jews (the remaining 1% in Jordan takes a “somewhat unfavorable” view, while in Lebanon 1% offer no response). Similarly, 76% of Indonesians, 74% of Pakistanis, and 60% of Turks have an unfavorable opinion of Jews.”

      May 10, 2009 at 10:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:
      Even the material you present doesn’t back up your one-sided argument about muslims.

      Three-fifths of young british muslims feeling they have as much in common with non-muslims as muslims seems to indicate a fairly moderate and assimilated community.

      And while I am aware there is a serious Islamist problem in Europe, I am sure some of those poll numbers come more from discontent than religious conviction.
      An example – many of the neo-nazis in the former east Germany joined the movement not to emulate Hitler, but to protest Russia (I am sure you heard of the case last year of a russian jewish neonazi in Israel).

      Likewise the German/Turkish situation is far from a one-sided problem.

      Here’s a 2007 Pew Report on U.S. muslims:
      http://people-press.org/report/?reportid=329

      May 10, 2009 at 11:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      And what is my argument about muslims? Because I wouldn’t have included it if it didn’t support my argument.

      May 10, 2009 at 11:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      COnsidering that europe is constituted of countries with more homogeneous ethnic and cultural backgrounds than the veritable melting pot with no dominant ethnic and cultural background such as the united states, that report is a nonsequitur.

      May 10, 2009 at 11:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      And while I am aware there is a serious Islamist problem in Europe, I am sure some of those poll numbers come more from discontent than religious conviction.

      Then this contradicts the pew report, which even states clearly that second and third generation european muslims are becoming increasingly more religious than past generations due to a host of factors, but mostly due to an unwillingness to assimilate and fit and less fear of irking people with their beliefs about, say, honor killings and lesbians and gays, and a desire to segregate. What do you base this claim on? Your intuition? Sorry, but I’ll take the study which has actual empirical data over your apologist opinion.

      May 10, 2009 at 11:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      for example – many of the neo-nazis in the former east Germany joined the movement not to emulate Hitler, but to protest Russia (I am sure you heard of the case last year of a russian jewish neonazi in Israel).

      this ought be the final nail in your coffin. You are once again attempting to extrapolate from a tiny insignificant minority to somehow nullify the startling numbers of muslims in, for example, britain who support violent action in defense of islam. One really doesn’t have anything to do with the other, and all you’re expressing here is that you don’t understand what islam is to compare it to a political ideology like neonazism.

      Additionally, it simply fails to account for the imams who do have significant control over the public opinions of european muslims who leads relatively privileged lives, and, in some cases, are extremely literate and well educated, yet are rabid defenders of shariah. If this were about discontent with one’s financial situation and poor education, then we just wouldn’t see startling numbers of wealthy educated muslims (and many of those responsible for the london bus bombings were native born britons who led middle class lives and received educations) advocating islamic extremism and violence as an acceptable tool to inflicting islamic beliefs on others.

      May 10, 2009 at 11:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      Three-fifths of young british muslims feeling they have as much in common with non-muslims as muslims seems to indicate a fairly moderate and assimilated community.

      And the other half of that being that they admire al qaeda and support strict shariah law indicates to you a fairly moderate and assimilated community? So you don’t know what shariah is? That it….have you ever heard of al qaeda? You know what they are, right? Because if that indicates a fairly moderate and assimilated community, then our definitions of moderate have…nothing in common.

      May 10, 2009 at 11:54 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/ayaan-hirsi-ali-abandoned-to-fanatics/

      And to serious people, this is heartbreaking.

      May 10, 2009 at 11:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:

      What is your argument? You seem to be focusing on the most fundamentalist perversion of the faith:

      “They just don’t understand that according to islam, throwing acid on a fourteen year old girl’s face is considered a compliment.”

      …and disregarding the many adherents to the faith who are peaceful.

      But to take this back to my original point, I have never said that radical islam is not a serious problem, nor that it shouldn’t be challenged (I’ve acknowledged the problem quite a few times, actually).

      My point is that you will not solve the problem through deportations, shutting borders or putting people in camps.
      And I think you are also mistaken in thinking the fascists are the only ones who are speaking the truth about the problem. There are in fact more serious critics within Islam.

      May 11, 2009 at 12:12 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      These fundamental perversions of the faith are commonplace, and therefore not “perversions” of the faith at all.

      May 11, 2009 at 12:16 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:

      And you cite an article by Salman Rushdie.
      Isn’t he one of those guys you discount because they’re in the minority and just wind up having to go into hiding?

      May 11, 2009 at 12:17 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      …and disregarding the many adherents to the faith who are peaceful.

      I’m not saying that all muslims are violent. I never said this. I am additionally saying that they don’t speak up and vocally condemn the violent factions because when they do, they’re targeted and have to go into hiding for fear of being murdered.

      May 11, 2009 at 12:18 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:
      There are an estimated 1 million muslims in the U.S.

      How many acid attacks and throat slashings did you see in the news last week?

      May 11, 2009 at 12:20 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      Deportation of imams who demand that their followers engage in violence to promote islam and have been linked to acts of violence has occurred in several european countries. I think this is more than justified. I also believe that france outlawing habibs is justified, too, for only a relativist apologist like yourself would suggest that wearing is anything more than a reflection of the islamic subjugation of women. And it’s even more depressing when muslim women, who live in fear and have been raised in a culture of violence toward women justified by the qur’an, defend it under the guise of cultural sensitivity–hijacking the same rationale you’ve used throughout this thread to tolerate the intolerable.

      May 11, 2009 at 12:21 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      hajib…that was a gross error.

      May 11, 2009 at 12:25 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      It would be frequent given the size of the muslim population if it occurred, say…once every two years. But honor killings occur in the united states and in europe a lot more than that…and given their size, I’d call that frequent. Same with arranged marriages.

      May 11, 2009 at 12:29 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:
      “Hijab”
      “habib” is actually arabic for “love”

      I am in favour of prosecuting the promotion of hatred. Deportation is more difficult, though if someone is not a citizen and is convicted then the door is probably open for deportation. But deporting citizens and landed immigrants would probably just create martyrs.

      On the hijab issue, I do disagree. Some women choose to wear it, just like any other religious garment. I was torn about the French law, but I can see the reasons for doing it. After all, Turkey brought in similar measures. Like I said, I am not opposed to challenging religious fundamentalism and drawing a line in the sand when it comes to secular law.

      I just think deportations will not work.

      May 11, 2009 at 12:34 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      “Hijab”
      “habib” is actually arabic for “love”

      I corrected myself already. ANd, you probably know that having read it. Despicable.

      I am in favour of prosecuting the promotion of hatred. Deportation is more difficult, though if someone is not a citizen and is convicted then the door is probably open for deportation. But deporting citizens and landed immigrants would probably just create martyrs.

      I think deportation of immigrants who advocate and promote violence and are in a position to convince others to do it in the name of Islam is a good policy.

      On the hijab issue, I do disagree. Some women choose to wear it,

      Of course you do. You don’t understand sexism at all if our previous exchanges are any indication, and this statement that some women choose to wear hajibs is just disgusting given that women are brutally beaten and sometimes to death in muslim theocracies like iran for failing to wear them. It is rooted in the brutal subjugation of women that is part and parcel a part of islamic culture (and many others). But I don’t think it’s right in any of them, and your soft headed cultural sensitivity garbage isn’t going to reverse that fact.

      I just think deportations will not work.

      I think it will work for immigrants who have nothing but toxic religious faith and actively incite violence.

      May 11, 2009 at 12:39 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:

      Well then we disagree on the deportation issue. Frankly I think doing that will play into the hands of radicals who want to paint themselves as a community under threat. You will just create MORE converts.

      And religious freedom means the just that – the freedom to wear a hijab (NOT “hajib”). Like I said, I have a problem with forcing people to not wear religious garments, but I can see some of the reasons for the French law (even if I think it sets up a double standard).

      Do you actually have women wearing hijab in your community? We see them every day here – and not walking around guarded by threatening men, either.

      May 11, 2009 at 12:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      Well then we disagree on the deportation issue.

      I have an argument…you have an opinion.

      Frankly I think doing that will play into the hands of radicals who want to paint themselves as a community under threat. You will just create MORE converts.

      Nah, they’re gone anyway. The imams deported are not going to see the light and come to their senses. You simply understand what they did to get deported (implicated in domestic terrorism).

      And religious freedom means the just that – the freedom to wear a hijab (NOT “hajib”).

      I disagree. It’s not a choice they’re making. religious freedom doesn’t mean you get to plan and enact domestic terrorism and incite honor killings and violence. You’re just wrong.

      Like I said, I have a problem with forcing people to not wear religious garments, but I can see some of the reasons for the French law (even if I think it sets up a double standard).

      Yeah, you don’t understand what religious freedom means or, for that matter, free speech.

      Do you actually have women wearing hijab in your community?

      Yes.

      We see them every day here – and not walking around guarded by threatening men, either.

      You just don’t get it. This garment is founded upon sexism, and in muslim theocracies women are beaten to death regularly for failing to wear them. Many women in european societies wear them because of the threat of violence. Simply relying on women who have internalized their oppression like you have internalized yours when you defend toxic religious faith and sexist beliefs does not justify the practice.

      May 11, 2009 at 1:12 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      you simply don’t understand, that is…which is…the norm for you. Your ignorance is as intractable as it is deep.

      May 11, 2009 at 1:13 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @TANK:

      And that, I assume, is just another feature of your religious beliefs as they are no different.

      May 11, 2009 at 1:15 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sal(the original)
      sal(the original)

      @strumpetwindsock: “but I the notion of “if you don’t like it here leave” is no way to deal with our social differences”…ummm so they can stay in your country and force you to bow to their point of view??HELLO!Theo van Gogh was KILLED cause of a film!!!!There are Muslim leaders who encourage disturbing deadly reactions to anyone who “insults”(who chooses what an insult is??) Prophet Mohammed!you say they will change staying in free countries..well i think the lesson will be learn t faster with a trip to countries that follow their intolerant beliefs!for example there was a Muslim lady(i think she was a government minister for a western country)who condemned gays because of her faith and i said to myself she should be sent to countries that follow her faith and see how a female perspective is respected!

      May 11, 2009 at 1:19 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      You similarly think that any criticism of religion will also play into the hands of the opposition…I assume. This nullifies any and all criticism and can be applied to anything. It is a recipe for doing nothing, and is advocated by effete ignorant so called “liberals” who misunderstand what the word means and are an insult to the tenets and values of a free society when the speak about it. Of course they’re allowed to regurgitate their ignorance which amounts to the intolerance of intolerance is unacceptable intolerance…as it is a free society…just, it would be best if no one listened to them…and people are slowly coming to their senses in ignoring people like you.

      May 11, 2009 at 1:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @sal(the original):

      sal, he clearly doesn’t know what free speech means and what freedom of religion amounts to.

      May 11, 2009 at 1:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @TANK:

      I assume this so you can be…consistent…something you folks are not very interested in being.

      May 11, 2009 at 1:23 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:
      Historically deportation and other forms of removal never work in the long run. I gave a few examples further up this thread. All you will do it create martyrs.
      And people have a way of getting around them. Remember how the Germans smuggled Lenin across enemy lines into Russia during WWI?

      But despite your claims of honour killings and forced marriages here in north america, the fact is here in Canada it’s not us who need protection from them – it’s the other way around
      http://www.montrealmuslims.ca/module-pagesetter-viewpub-tid-7-pid-1980.html

      I expect you will find similar levels of anti-muslim sentiment in your country.

      May 11, 2009 at 1:24 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sal(the original)
      sal(the original)

      @TANK: i think he’s just tryin to be politically correct but im just sayin people are DYING!!NOW!!we have seen “simple” intolerant beliefs grow to do disastrous things.REAL things!!let us not tolerate this hate,cause that is how it starts

      May 11, 2009 at 1:30 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      Historically deportation and other forms of removal never work in the long run.

      No, historically it has worked. It has shut down domestic terrorist cells who are without a leader with connections, and it has encouraged mosques to find more tolerant opended imams…stop lying, you embarrassing old fool. If you have nothing to say, shut the fuck up.

      I gave a few examples further up this thread. All you will do it create martyrs.

      That’s okay. THey’re gone, and that’s the point… no more encouraging domestic terrorism and support for terrorist cells. Let them be martyrs…let michael savage be a martyr, too. That’s just fine. One runs the risk of offending people in a free society one enforces the ideals of that society.


      And people have a way of getting around them. Remember how the Germans smuggled Lenin across enemy lines into Russia during WWI?

      Well, I’m okay with them trying a little harder as opposed to do nothing at all. You exist in a moral vacuum…or gutter. It’s despicable. I’m sick of morons like you bloviating about religious tolerance and free speech when you don’t have the facts and don’t know what you’re talking about.

      But despite your claims of honour killings and forced marriages here in north america, the fact is here in Canada it’s not us who need protection from them – it’s the other way around
      http://www.montrealmuslims.ca/…..-1980.html

      Never suggested that muslims aren’t the victims of hate crimes.

      http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-06-04-terror-franchise_x.htm

      May 11, 2009 at 1:32 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @sal(the original):

      Yes, he’d rather be politically correct. He thinks it’s more important than human life. He exists in a moral vacuum…his priorities are all out of whack because of the memes he’s allowed himself to digest on what a free society amounts to and what liberalism means…it’s just uneducated dogma.

      May 11, 2009 at 1:33 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sal(the original)
      sal(the original)

      @TANK: exactly why i think they should be sent to real intolerant countries cause they will realize they are in the same boat as us.if they are victims of hate crimes why the hate for gays?

      May 11, 2009 at 1:38 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @sal(the original):

      What many are doing is capitalizing on european tolerance to install themselves and their extremely intolerant views on governance (islam is a political ideology as well as a religion). Couple that with explosive birth rates, and you have a recipe for concern.

      May 11, 2009 at 1:40 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sal(the original)
      sal(the original)

      @TANK: sharia law and how for example A woman counts as half a man in giving evidence in a court of law, or in matters of inheritance.

      May 11, 2009 at 1:52 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sal(the original)
      sal(the original)

      @TANK: ….also A husband has the moral and religious right and duty to beat his wives for disobedience or for perceived misconduct.

      May 11, 2009 at 1:53 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @sal(the original):

      That’s true. There are instructional videos on youtube on the proper ways to beat your wife…

      I suppose strumpet will now say…”so long as it’s not in front of the kids!”

      May 11, 2009 at 1:57 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3Eam5FX58

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWGA8i6scYY

      I’m waiting for strumpet’s witless apologism…

      May 11, 2009 at 1:58 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sal(the original)
      sal(the original)

      @TANK: those are some sad clips on youtube

      May 11, 2009 at 2:11 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @TANK:
      I don’t have to defend anything which I don’t support, nor do I have to restate my position on radical islam if you didn’t get it the 15th or so time I repeated it.

      But why take me at my word when false accusations sound so much better?

      But answer this question:
      How do you plan to deport British citizens, islamists born in Britain, and islamists of white anglo origin?

      A growing number of islamists have no other country you can send them to. Do you propose dealing with them the way the Serbs dealt with their problem of regular (non-radical) muslims?

      May 11, 2009 at 4:10 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DR Shrink
      DR Shrink

      Strumpetwindsock and TANK are one and the same individual. This patient refuses to walk away from the keyboard. He continues to argue with himself, infecting this site. As soon as rational people see the ranting of this individual they give up commenting and move onto other sites.

      May 11, 2009 at 8:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      @TANK: @TANK: Jebuzz, tankie, we don’t want you to shut up. The racism you spew is proof that you and some zionists learned the wrong lessons from the Nazis and the English empire builders. The zionist policies of ethnic cleansing and apartheid, from Dier Yassin to the mass murder of Palestinians in Gaza this January, to your own garbage analysis are in fact imitations of the policies of the Nazi’s and the English colonizers.

      http://www.deiryassin.org/

      http://www.counterpunch.org/finkelstein01282009.html

      You’re a racist islamophobe who thinks the only good “Arab” is a dead one. That putrid thinking disorder warps everything you say. Your bitterly racist attitudes are based on the well founded fear that the zionist colony in Palestine will be terminated either through a peace process like the one in South Africa or by other means.

      And the pity of it all, tankie, is that you’re forcing strumpet, in extremis, to say things that will later come to haunt him. Keep it up and his poor centrist persona may implode.

      May 11, 2009 at 9:39 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @Bill Perdue:
      Haunt me?

      Only if you’re the one running the inquisition, and I sure hope that day never comes, Bill.

      I say what I mean Bill, even if that includes recognizing that people have the right to SOME values I don’t agree with.

      May 11, 2009 at 10:40 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @DR Shrink:
      Hey… somebody figured it out!

      May 11, 2009 at 10:54 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @strumpetwindsock:

      You have lost.

      May 11, 2009 at 12:54 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @Bill Perdue:

      And you defend barbarity and murder.

      May 11, 2009 at 12:54 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sal(the original)
      sal(the original)

      there are people who flee,seek asylum in countries that they hope to live free to be who they are and with the philosophy of some of you smarties they should live in western countries that tolerate hate?!!!y’all crazyyyy!!!!

      May 11, 2009 at 4:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sal(the original)
      sal(the original)

      …well they might as well stay in their home land since you condone,believe in freedom to hate in countries!

      May 11, 2009 at 4:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sal(the original)
      sal(the original)

      im sure allot of these hateful brats who were born in free countries have ancestors who probably FLED their homeland cause western countries provided them stable peaceful place to exist and now these immigrants/refugees have kids dont respect that this exodus continues for others who are persecuted ,there are gay people who flee their intolerant homeland today !…. and with your blessing@strumpetwindsock: they should face the same hate in the country the seek solace

      May 11, 2009 at 4:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • anderson cooper is my future husband
      anderson cooper is my future husband

      Bill Perdue or his other name Charles Mueller is seriously disturbed. He attacks anyone on this site who is gay and disagrees with his ultra-right wing views, bisexual, transgender, black, jewish he is a anti-semite always railing against the “zionists”, or anything but a white gay male. Even white gay males like me have been attacked because I don’t agree with his racist, anti-Semitic,right- wing, misogynistic,pro man boy love agenda. For the record Bill I’m a gay jew who does not appreciate the way you target people on the site and your whole Nazi agenda of hate for the jews.. You are just a mean old loser which is why you are alone with nothing to do but spread your racism all over this site. Do the world a favor and get help one for your pedophilic impulses two for your racism and anti-Semitism.

      May 12, 2009 at 1:27 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      @anderson cooper is my future husband:is a disgruntled straight christer bigot who got angry when we called him for making false charges of pedophia against a gay couple one of whom was in his sixties and the other in his forties.

      Pussbladders like acimfh change their story every time they post but never offer a shred of proof about his absurd charges. He can’t, he wrong on all counts. Opposition to zionist apartheid and state terror are not anti-Semitic and dozens of Jewish organizations agree.

      But we can provide proof. Here is how a twisted hetero christian bigot like acimfh describes gay relationships

      “No. 44 • anderson cooper is my future husband @Charles J. Mueller: As someone who does a lot of traveling to south east asia I know exactly the kind of traveler you are. For those of you who have never been to the Philippines it is infested with pervy old western men who go there because there are a lot of people who live in poverty who will form relationships with these old men out of sheer desperation. I have seen these men they go to these countries pay young men and women to have sex with them (often underage people) and delude themselves that “asians are not hung up on age” or “their sense of morality is different than ours” not taking into account crushing poverty and hunger for some people becomes so unbearable that sharing a bed with someone, anyone western is a ticket out of a very hard life. These relationships are always based on money. We met men like this there with their “boyfriends” they are essentially johns but pathetically don’t know it they genuinely think these people they pay for sex and eventually to live with them actually love them. No wonder you are not disgusted by this kid who blackmailed kids into sex acts you probably haven’t had uncoerced (free) sex in years.

      http://www.queerty.com/wisconsin-boy-uses-facebook-to-sexually-assault-classmates-20090206/

      Posted: Feb 6, 2009 at 8:58 pm •

      Sickening. These comments are infused with the hated of gays that only come from sick, straight christian bigots. acimfh, who wisely refuses to identify himself, is scum.

      May 12, 2009 at 3:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @Bill Perdue:

      you antisemite! REPARATIONS! ha ha ha ha, but seriously, fuck you, bill perdue. You’re an ass.

      May 12, 2009 at 3:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      @TANK: You’re a clumsy swine who supports zionist apartheid and ethnic cleansing against the murder of Palestinians.

      Please, tankie, be a good little buffoon and supply some proof for your preposterous claim.

      May 12, 2009 at 3:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      Look, I don’t support ethnic cleansing of the palestinians…well, that’s not true. If by that, you mean regular bathings with soap and water, I’m all for it…because no one likes a stinky palestinian!

      May 12, 2009 at 3:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      @TANK: You most certainly do support mass murder, aka, ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. The zionist state was founded on terrorism and mass murder of by zioinsts against Palestinians. It’s maintained by a viscous system of apartheid. Only you and Geroge Bush claim otherwise.

      The only solution is a secular, socialist Palestine.

      May 12, 2009 at 3:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @Bill Perdue:

      Yes, I claim otherwise. Except for airlifting soap over there…and portable showers. I’m just saying that if there’s a demand for it, they should receive it…even if there isn’t.

      May 12, 2009 at 3:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • anderson cooper is my future husband
      anderson cooper is my future husband

      Bill Perdue is a sick fraud. There are at least thirty threads of him defending man boy love on here as himself and as Charles Mueller that quote comes from the thread where he explained that young boys in the third world don’t care about age just security so it is okay for pedophile sex tourists to abuse them. His only attempt to insult me is to call me straight and christian that is his best insult. As a jew I am sick of reading his NAZI bull about how the “zionists” (jews) are to blame for everything. This guy is a racist he chases blacks, transgenders, anyone he perceives as religious or ethnic around this site. He is a racist and is such a self-hating weirdo that he equates pedophilia with gay freedom. Gay men don’t support having sex with kids and it is a gift to the right wing for old queens like him to keep that kind of propaganda going. Bill months back said a priest fooled with him as a child as an excuse for his behavior and once poster confronted him he took it back. This guy needs help. Let’s not support a racist, anti-Semite, pedophile loser. This guy is an unemployed old man he does nothing for the gay community or the movement but perpetuate stereotypes of gays as child molesters. He posts nothing on this site of interest to anyone. He is a bully whose sole purpose for living seems to be to support Nambla and attack anyone who won’t support it with him, to push his ultra-right wing agenda (self-hating), and to target jews, blacks, straights, and transgendered.

      May 12, 2009 at 8:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      @anderson cooper is my future husband: is getting a bit desperate with silly all new charges everyday but still without a shred of evidence; not one quote, citation or link. That’s because there aren’t any. (You forgot to say that I’m covered by sores and have bad breath.)

      I, on the other hand can prove that you’re an obnoxious straight christer piglet who hates gay men. You said so yourself when you said:

      “No. 44 • anderson cooper is my future husband @Charles J. Mueller: As someone who does a lot of traveling to south east asia I know exactly the kind of traveler you are. For those of you who have never been to the Philippines it is infested with pervy old western men who go there because there are a lot of people who live in poverty who will form relationships with these old men out of sheer desperation. I have seen these men they go to these countries pay young men and women to have sex with them (often underage people) and delude themselves that “asians are not hung up on age” or “their sense of morality is different than ours” not taking into account crushing poverty and hunger for some people becomes so unbearable that sharing a bed with someone, anyone western is a ticket out of a very hard life. These relationships are always based on money. We met men like this there with their “boyfriends” they are essentially johns but pathetically don’t know it they genuinely think these people they pay for sex and eventually to live with them actually love them. No wonder you are not disgusted by this kid who blackmailed kids into sex acts you probably haven’t had uncoerced (free) sex in years.

      http://www.queerty.com/wisconsin-boy-uses-facebook-to-sexually-assault-classmates-20090206/

      Now it’s your turn troll.

      May 13, 2009 at 5:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • anderson cooper is my future husband
      anderson cooper is my future husband

      Bill Perdue is a sick fraud. There are at least thirty threads of him defending man boy love on here as himself and as Charles Mueller that quote comes from the thread where he explained that young boys in the third world don’t care about age just security so it is okay for pedophile sex tourists to abuse them. His only attempt to insult me is to call me straight and christian that is his best insult. As a jew I am sick of reading his NAZI bull about how the “zionists” (jews) are to blame for everything. This guy is a racist he chases blacks, transgenders, anyone he perceives as religious or ethnic around this site. He is a racist and is such a self-hating weirdo that he equates pedophilia with gay freedom. Gay men don’t support having sex with kids and it is a gift to the right wing for old queens like him to keep that kind of propaganda going. Bill months back said a priest fooled with him as a child as an excuse for his behavior and once poster confronted him he took it back. This guy needs help. Let’s not support a racist, anti-Semite, pedophile loser. This guy is an unemployed old man he does nothing for the gay community or the movement but perpetuate stereotypes of gays as child molesters. He posts nothing on this site of interest to anyone. He is a bully whose sole purpose for living seems to be to support Nambla and attack anyone who won’t support it with him, to push his ultra-right wing agenda (self-hating), and to target jews, blacks, straights, and transgendered.No matter what this man posts sex tourism is wrong and the fact that he is fighting for it just shows how sick he truly is.

      May 13, 2009 at 6:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      @Bill Perdue: is getting a bit desperate with silly all new charges everyday but still without a shred of evidence; not one quote, citation or link. That’s because there aren’t any.

      I, on the other hand can prove that you’re an obnoxious straight christer piglet who hates gay men. You said so yourself when you said:

      “No. 44 • anderson cooper is my future husband @Charles J. Mueller: As someone who does a lot of traveling to south east asia I know exactly the kind of traveler you are. For those of you who have never been to the Philippines it is infested with pervy old western men who go there because there are a lot of people who live in poverty who will form relationships with these old men out of sheer desperation. I have seen these men they go to these countries pay young men and women to have sex with them (often underage people) and delude themselves that “asians are not hung up on age” or “their sense of morality is different than ours” not taking into account crushing poverty and hunger for some people becomes so unbearable that sharing a bed with someone, anyone western is a ticket out of a very hard life. These relationships are always based on money. We met men like this there with their “boyfriends” they are essentially johns but pathetically don’t know it they genuinely think these people they pay for sex and eventually to live with them actually love them. No wonder you are not disgusted by this kid who blackmailed kids into sex acts you probably haven’t had uncoerced (free) sex in years.

      http://www.queerty.com/wiscons…..-20090206/

      Now it’s your turn troll.

      May 13, 2009 at 10:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • getreal
      getreal

      I can say that the moment I identified as a black person I became a target of Bill Perdue. He also hates me because I’m straight even though I’m a gay rights activist. Other posters are starting to address it. His only defense seems to be that Anderson is a straight christian when every poster here knows he is not. My question is even if he was why does that make hating him okay? This guy is worse than a klansman. He claims to hate racist but once I identified as black he attacked me unprovoked for months he posted a lot innocuous threads in an attempt to get other people to attack me it never worked. The fact is gay and gay friendly people are not as likely to be racist and jew hating like Mr.Perdue. Personally I find it strange that mr.Perdue is posting Anderson post I think sex tourism is wrong too. I would confront any poster who tried to rationalize it. I don’t think Bill knows it is wrong and makes him look bad defending the sexual exploitation of kids wherever they live.

      May 14, 2009 at 12:07 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      @getreal: We, several of us, began to criticize you when you identified as an Omamabot and a straight anti-gay bigot. We won’t let you get away with making false accusations of pedophilia or claiming that African American gay men plot to spread HIV/AIDS.

      We don’t hate people like you, we pity you. What wasted caricatures of lives people like you, Dobson, der Pope and other christer bigots lead.

      And you still can’ provide any examples or citations or links to you anti-gay claims because there are none. If you had an IQ greater than a turnip you’d realize how stupid that makes you look. Fortunately for us you’re never going to learn.

      Here are a couple of examples of the reverend getsevenwithgaymen’s outrageous christer bigotry at its worst.

      http://www.queerty.com/morning-goods-colter-johnson-20090203/ Go to comment 7 where she baits tallskin, accusing him of being a pedarest.

      http://www.queerty.com/michael-lucas-takes-on-black-porn-stars-not-in-that-way-20090327/ Go down to comment 254. This is getsevenwithblackgaymen commenting on the plot of AA gay men to spread HIV/AIDs. It’s pretty sick stuff. You can tell from her comments that she’s not very successful at converting or seducing gay men to her sick lifestyle.

      May 14, 2009 at 2:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • getreal
      getreal

      @Bill Perdue: There is no “we” with regard to you Bill .You don’t speak for anyone Bill because you are all alone. You spout racism and anti-Semitism on a daily basis. No one on this site actually likes you and most people ignore your posts or comment on how disturbed you are. You are just a mentally ill old man who has used childhood trauma as an excuse to try to get revenge for what was done to you. Because a christian person abused you you sadly think you can get control back by trying to punish every Christian or every jewish person for your own problems. You are not capable of actually reading articles and threads. You can take a normal discussion of black people discussing the statistical facts of the problems that face the black community HIV and the down low culture being a major issue and statistical fact that will be cured in our community through education and confronting homophobia and through your ignorance of the black community and our issues and your racism try to stop us from having meaningful necessary dialogue. I see why you don’t have a husband or a boyfriend and spend you time plotting about underage encounters. You’re whole way of living is to perpetuate the wrongs done to you on others whether that be childhood molestation or verbal abuse from your past. It doesn’t impress or intimidate anyone it just makes you sound like what you are deeply disturbed, angry, and lonely old man who wasted his life being angry and ineffective in every-way. There are many people from every facet of society in the streets daily fighting for equal rights for LGBT people as you sit in your house obsessed with all your petty hatreds. It is clear from your words you have no understanding of the modern world where most people of my generation were taught that people are born gay so your fantasy that straight people are plotting convert gay people shows how confused a senior citizen you are. Gay people can’t be converted even a closet case like you should know that. If you didn’t hate yourself so much you would not feel the need to hate everyone else.A man who is too self hating and scared to actually do any activism or fight for equality in any way. You think your long rambling posts sound impressive but you just sound like everyone on here’s worst nightmare a angry lonely person who will die alone.

      May 14, 2009 at 7:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      All those lies and all that hatred and venom for GLBT folks is going to eat you alive.

      OK.

      May 14, 2009 at 8:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • anderson cooper is my future husband
      anderson cooper is my future husband

      @getreal: Ignore that sick racist nazi. We gays love our straight allies keep fighting for my rights girl.He is just a hater that is why he will as you said die alone hopefully soon. Most people on here have had enough of that kook he brings nothing but anger and hate into the world which is why he has NO ONE in his life.

      May 15, 2009 at 5:56 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • getreal
      getreal

      @anderson cooper is my future husband: Thanks I love my gay brothers and sisters which is why I fight for equality. He hates everyone including himself that is why he doesn’t do anything for the movement. Notice how he tries to interrupt any meaningful discussion with his little boy agenda. Creepy. I agree with you western men sexually exploiting children in impoverished countries is an abomination. Doesn’t he know defending that kind of behavior makes him look like a monster?

      May 15, 2009 at 2:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • anderson cooper is my future husband
      anderson cooper is my future husband

      He is a monster. A racist anti-Semite bigot closet case pedo.

      May 15, 2009 at 6:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      @anderson cooper is my future husband: @anderson cooper is my future husband: So when do you two straight christian bigots plan on getting married.

      May 15, 2009 at 10:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • anderson cooper is my future husband
      anderson cooper is my future husband

      I’m already legally married to a man too bad you will never have the pleasure. I guess to an anti-Semite like you calling me a christian is just another form of jew-bating. Typical racist anti-Semite bigot closet case pedo.I agree with getreal you hate yourself that is why you never post anything but anger I don’t feel sorry for you you reap what you sow and you life of anger and racism got you exactly what you deserve, nothing. No man, no friends, no life, just your anger which no one much cares about.

      May 15, 2009 at 10:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      @anderson cooper is my future husband: No bullshit now. How could a straight, chriser, anti-gay bigot like you be married to a gay man. Getseven is more your style.

      Your turn, bigot.

      May 15, 2009 at 11:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • getreal
      getreal

      @anderson cooper is my future husband: He knows you are gay and jewish he just looking for attention. I think it is great you are married in five years I believe we will have marriage equality in every state. You and your husband are so blessed I wish you the best. Ignore Bill he is just jealous because he will never have a husband and he knows it. I picture an elderly man at the retirement home with no friends and crumbs all over his night gown furiously typing ha-ha. Karma is a hell of a thing clearly he spent his life hurting people and he is now getting what he earned. Although I disagree with you I feel sorry for him. He is no different than a klansman he is a racist relic and he knows it. That is why he is here attacking people because it is his only way to get human contact. He was too evil to get a partner or raise adopted children so he is alone right now you are his only friend in his mind so he childishly calls you straight to guarantee you will answer back. It is sad.

      May 16, 2009 at 12:04 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      Am i supposed to give a fuck?

      Jun 16, 2010 at 6:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      All the comments above this one with my name on them are hallucinatory and imaginatory outbursts from tank. Although they released him from the mental health center he’s clearly off his meds.

      Much of the comments by get real and anderson cooper is my future husband are copied verbatim from discussion about two years ago and can be found by googling.

      Notice that the short time span between comments using my name and those of get real and anderson cooper is my future husband is too short to be realistic. Tank, who’s been tossed off a dozen blogs for his foul mouthed instability, screwed up again.

      He can’t help it, he’s just demented.

      Jun 16, 2010 at 7:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      v

      Jun 16, 2010 at 8:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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