Anti-gay Californians have thought of an ingenious way to collect the 750,000 signatures they need to let voters kill off the FAIR Education Act (also known as the LGBT History Bill)—by telling signers that they’re actually signing a petition to get harsher criminal penalties for child molesters. Of course, these liars probably think that all LGBT people are child molesters and that wiping LGBTs out from the history books is a harsher penalty… or something.
The cruel irony is that their horrid ruse may have gotten some LGBT people and our allies to support a ballot referendum to help keep children ignorant about famous LGBT Americans. Who’s fucking our kids now, eh?
Image via Pink Sherbet Photography
Ogre Magi
I am soooo sick of christians and all their crap
Hyhybt
Pretty sure lying is still a sin.
WWP
If it happened in reverse, you’d all be applauding it. You have no problem with the ruse; you have a problem with being on the losing side of it.
Hyhybt
@WWP: When has an analogous situation in the other direction happened, and where is the applause?
Mr. Enemabag Jones
@WWP:
If it happened in reverse, you’d all be applauding it.
And what exactly would gay people be doing in order to trick people into signing a petition? And who would the petition be against? Please explain yourself.
B
No. 3 · WWP wrote, “If it happened in reverse, you’d all be applauding it.”
That, of course, is a lie, at least regarding me: I’m completely in favor of legislation that would invalidate signatures gathered under false pretenses, with draconian fines levied against the liars for substantive misrepresentations (as opposed to sloppy English or “foot in mouth” syndrome). Also, I’m in favor of a requirement that any statement in the voter pamphlet that a initiative would do X have a citation to the precise location in the text of the initiative that implies X – I’m pissed as hell at these f___ing liars because to check what they say, you have to read reams of boring legalize only to find that X is not there at all, which simply wastes my time. If an impartial review shows that it doesn’t do X, I’d prefer to have the argument rejected and not distributed to the voters at our expense.
If they just said something vacuous like “God will be angry if you vote/don’t vote for it,” I could care less – that’s obviously not a factual statement about what an initiative actually does, and everyone knows that there isn’t a general on any side of any conflict in recorded history who hasn’t in effect said, “God is on our side.”
Carl
Wait, things like this aren’t illegal? What kind of a backwards country are you yanks living in? This is FRAUD and should be treated as such.
B
No. 7 · Carl wrote, “Wait, things like this aren’t illegal? What kind of a backwards country are you yanks living in? This is FRAUD and should be treated as such.”
The way it works in California is that there is a voter pamphlet with arguments for and against an initiative, plus rebuttals to those arguments. The assumption is that, if someone lies, the rebuttal will point that out. The problem with this is that one side will say X, and the other side will say “not X”, and the voter has no easy way of figuring out who is lying.
There is more effort in ensuring the accuracy of a ballot title and summary (which is all many voters read), but the quality control is iffy, sometimes having to be enforced by lawsuits. Basically, it is a mess.
Hyhybt
@B: Why is there not a law against this? Why not, for that matter, start a petition to *make* such a law?
ryan
hmm
Carl
@B: It sounds it – to me, it is very simple: if the content of a ballot does not match what it is ‘sold’ as (ie: in this case, pushing it as an initiative to get harsher punishments for child molesters when it is actually something completely different) then it is fraud – something has been obtained through deception. Every person involved in pushing this should be arrested, charged and left to rot in jail.
I say that not as a proponent of Equal Human Rights, but as a proponent of honesty and decency.
Guillermo3
SORRY, Gay News/Gay Agenda, & Mr. Villarreall,but this is a very POORLY WRITTEN and CONFUSING story. Specifics of what the anti-GLBT history campaigners are doing/how they are doing what they’re doing: LACKING,or INCOMPREHENSIBLY VAGUE.
THE LINK to Pink Sherbert Photography lands one in an even more confusing site which is difficult to escape and the reason for readers to go there un-stated,COMPLETELY UNCLEAR.
I FEEL CERTAIN THAT YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS.
Hyhybt
Other than by being so large and interesting that you don’t WANT to leave (Wikipedia, Youtube, etc), how can a website possibly be “difficult to escape?”
Jimmy Fury
@Guillermo3: really dude?
Flickr is confusing and difficult to escape? An image credit is unclear?
wha…
I…
Please tell me that was satire. My brain can’t handle you being serious about that. It will implode.
(and Hyhbt there are those sites that keep asking you if you’re sure you want to leave… but flickr isn’t one of them so i dunno.)
Jeff
Christians spread the most hate! I am an atheist and I find myself to be highly unmatched with Christians when it comes to accepting and loving my neighbors for all their differences.
Michael
@Jeff:
Ditto ive received death threats from people who CLAIM to be Christian on Youtube.
It amazed me too because I had never seen that kind of hate from someone who was religious until I saw it one day online.That was definitely part of why I am also an atheist now as well.I also never want to be associated with religion that is full of the most incredibly vile cruel hateful heartless hypocritical and nasty human beings on the face of the earth.