Then there’s his hurtful “pray away the gay” therapy. (The American Psychiatric Association has suggested that reparative therapy can be harmful to a patient’s mental health.)
And that’s just the beginning. With so much ammunition, why are people attacking the man for his lisp and plainly effeminate characteristics?
Dan Savage and Cher are just two of the famous folks who have called out Bachmann publicly for what they perceive as his “gayness”—that is, his perceived lack of typically masculine affectations. (And that includes Queerty.)
My heart goes out to the man— just a little, mind you—because my perceived lack of masculinity has gotten me into trouble, too. I was bullied for my sissyness throughout my school years. Less than a year has gone by since the last time someone yelled “Fag!” at me from a passing car.
How about we take this to the next level?
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I get that there’s a certain comedy in it all: “Look at the girly man who says he’s straight!” And hypocrites deserve to be called out. But although we have proof that Bachmann is a homophobe, we don’t know that he’s a hypocrite on this particular issue. If Bachmann says he’s straight, then that’s good enough for me. After all, he wouldn’t be the first effeminate straight man in the world. Until a public-restroom arrest or male-prostitute scandal surfaces, I’ll take him at his word.
I mean, do we really want to claim him as one of our own?
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Cam
Why is queerty rerunning this post. Did they not notice that 99% of the posts disagreed with the conclusions of the author last time?
I notice that he seems to have taken out the part where he claimed that we were all “Bullying” Bachman. Nice to see he was at LEAST paying enough attention to see how offensive we all thought it was that he claimed somebody using a therapy known to be damaging to gays and playing a part in their suicides was being “Bullied” by us because we were pushing back.
Oh, and lastly, why is the author doing everything he can to try to soft peddle Bachman’s dangerous practices at his clinic? The Author said “The American Psychiatric Association has suggested that reparative therapy can be harmful to a patient’s mental health.”
No, actually they have stated beyond a doubt that this therapy is dangerous.
But then again, this is his SECOND post defending Bachman and stating how his heart goes out to the man. Perhaps he should worry more about the people that the mans clinic has driven to suicide.
ewe
I would spit at and slap that Bitch across her face if it was legal.
Shannon1981
I have excellent gaydar. I’d be willing to bet Michele is AT LEAST bisexual, considering her peculiar behavior around lesbians, and there is denying the fact that Marcus is gay. Hell, I also bet the story regarding the way they met is completely fabricated, and that they actually met in ex- gay brainwashing(sorry, I refuse to call it counseling). I think we all know that almost every non hetero on the planet has, at some point, denied being gay. Marcus is no different. I don’t want to claim him, but in this case, gay until proven straight.
christopher di spirito
Charles Purdy,
How many times is Queerty going to post this? Since this post is a retread, I will repost my original reply verbatim.
The article asks: “I mean, really, do we want to claim him as one of our own?”
When you operate a reparative clinic that practices a discredited, harmful and sometime lethal form of therapy, and accept state and Federal monies in order to inflict said “therapy” on clients, then you’ve opened yourself up to all the ridicule and speculation Dr. Marcus Bachmann is now enjoying.
If the author of the article doesn’t like it, too fucking bad. And for the record, Marcus looks and sounds and acts like a big, ole silver-back, circuit queen.
hf2hvit
@Shannon1981: Remember…she was caught hiding in a lesbian’s bush!
Shannon1981
@hf2hvit: That’s what I am talking about. And she can barely shake their hands in public. They are both gay, I believe. Not quite sure about Michele, but Marcus? That queen….can’t wait till we find him in a bathhouse. Happy day indeed.
QJ201
NO
Jack E. Jett
No…Hell No…FUCK Etiquette…fuck it in the ass.
Kurt
If its okay touse anti-gay slurs with Marcus because of his politics, imagine what is okay to say about Cain!
Chad
Is it me or does Queerty seem to be softening up on our oppressors? It seems as if the last few weeks, articles about anyone anti-gay, have had a tone of trying to put these bigots into a softer light.
I may be an old jaded bitter queen, but lets be serious. These people are continualy trying to take away our rights and freedoms because their desert goat-hearding manual says to. I’m sorry but I have no love or respect for anyone that pushed their beliefs onto others.
kawneekwa
We supposed to follow da ettiquette rules? Oh Hell no. Do dem Republicans eva play nice. Oh Hell to the no mutha fucka.
Shannon1981
@Chad: Good point. Queerty, what gives? The bigots are talking the same high level of shit and being just as vicious as ever. Why can’t we?
Little Kiwi
he’s not gay. he’s a closeted homosexual. there’s a difference. he doesn’t have the BALLS to be gay.
he has “closet-homosexual face”
TJ Parker
No.
B
No. 6 · Shannon1981 wrote, “They are both gay, I believe. Not quite sure about Michele, but Marcus? That queen….can’t wait till we find him in a bathhouse.”
Cut the “we” part! I don’t think I’d want to find Marcus in any venue where he would not have to be fully clothed. He needs some serious gym time plus a few weekly runs of 5 miles or more.
Does he really run a reparative therapy center? According to http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/michele-bachmann-exclusive-pray-gay-candidates-clinic/story?id=14048691 his
claim (whether true or false) is that ‘”If someone is interested in talking to us about their homosexuality, we are open to talking about that,” he is reported to have said. “But if someone comes in a homosexual and they want to stay homosexual, I don’t have a problem with that.”‘ That’s not the same as trying to force someone to change their sexual orientation. The videos posted on youtube might give a different impression, but you are not necessarily seeing everything: if some guy comes in and goes on and on about wanting to become straight, telling him to pray sounds a lot more humane than showing him gay porn while shocking him with electrodes as “aversion therapy.” Of course praying won’t work, but the patient will feel that any delay is “God’s will” and might end up feeling better about himself – if some omnipotent being, who allegedly doesn’t want people do be gay, won’t fix the problem for him, why should he be expected to do any better on his own?
Shannon1981
@B: The thing is, yes, I get what you are saying, but ANY attempt to change one’s orientation is simply dangerous/ By now you all know why I feel so strongly regarding that. But I assure you I speak the truth.
Also, I don’t believe a word of what Marcus or anyone connected to him and ol’ crazy eyes says regarding this issues. I trust Wayne Benson and the good folks at TWO a whole lot more regarding what goes on in that clinic than these clowns. We know what nutty views they have on homosexuality. I cannot, for any reason, bring myself to believe that they “have no problem” with people who are patients of theirs “remaining” homosexual.
And as for the bathhouse comment- purely for political reasons! You’re right, gurl needs help>/i> stat.
Cam
@Chad: said..
“Is it me or does Queerty seem to be softening up on our oppressors? It seems as if the last few weeks, articles about anyone anti-gay, have had a tone of trying to put these bigots into a softer light.”
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EXACTLY, they also stopped mentioning that Mormon Church’s ties to NOM, Prop 8, etc….
BubbasBack
He looks like my local carpet-cleaning guy.
Burp.
the crustybastard
Oh ferchrissakes, Queerty: the argument is not improved by mere editing.
FTFA:“My heart goes out to the man— just a little, mind you…”
Golly, Mr. Purdy, thanks for letting us how much more saintly and sensitive you are than the rest of us. That must help you ignore the fact that Bachmann is a monster who elevates his own psychosis and self-loathing as if they are somehow credentials justifying the torment of others into living a life as false, empty, and morally bankrupt as his own.
You may graciously choose to take Bachmann at his word that he is indeed heterosexual. Why not also graciously choose to take his word that you are too?
ousslander
WHile he is an ass with this reparative bullshit, using stereotypes to claim someone is gay and to defame them using the same stereotypes. When Leno asked someone to show their gayface, everybody was in an uproar.
also if we get crazy when someone bullies someone for their perceived gayness then we should not turn around and do the same thing. It comes off more than hypocritical.
ewe
@ousslander: It is not hypocritical when we shove it back into the faces of those that oppress gay people. Some disturbed gay closet cases unfortunately are the oppressors and need to be outed and fucked with by any means possible. No gay person worth one ounce of dignity wants that piece of dirt to be gay.
JoeyO'H
Of course we don’t want him. He is a dirtball and he and his nasty “beard” are government moochers.
till the world ends
I bet if you line up him and the GOP. Put them in sweats pants with no undies and line them up and show them gay porn. Wonder who would get hard….first!!! lol
Jack E. Jett
@Chad: Good point…..not to mention their lack in interest in the A List Dallas story… Fear of lossing LOGO revenue makes me think that Queerty has be purchased by ABC or Murdoch.
B
No. 16 · Shannon1981 wrote, “@B: The thing is, yes, I get what you are saying, but ANY attempt to change one’s orientation is simply dangerous/ By now you all know why I feel so strongly regarding that. But I assure you I speak the truth.”
The catch is that the claim that “ANY attempt to change one’s orientation is simply dangerous” is an unproven conjecture. Studies have shown that typical reparative therapy can be harmful, but that seems to involve “aversion therapy”, whether causing physical discomfort or pain, or by berating or humiliating someone for being gay.
If, however, some guy walks in the door, is disturbed that he is gay for religious reasons, and desperately wants to change, telling him that he should pray and ask
God to change his sexual orientation is probably going to be beneficial for three reasons.
First, it shifts the responsibility of a change onto a third party so the patient can stop blaming himself. Second, if he is being pressured by his family or church to change, he can tell him that he went to a therapist who told him to pray for a change, and that it is up to God as to when the change will happen (so they shouldn’t berate him because God hasn’t done it yet and he did get the best advise he could so it was not like he wasn’t being “penitent”). Third, if nothing happens (the likely outcome), he can claim that God wants him to be gay, given that he prayed fervently and nothing happened.
Note that none of this is dependent on the existence of the alleged deity. As a ploy, however, it would take the pressure off the patient until he learns to accept himself.
As to who to trust regarding what went on their, the basic rule is to trust no one. Spinning things is so pervasive in American culture these days that you really can’t trust anything that gets said anymore.
ewe
Where are you GayVeteran???? We are putting down a white guy. A big ol fat self hating gay white trash fag. Where’s your outrage? Does it fit into your race relations? Is it ok with your gaydar? Do i get a pass through Checkpoint Charlie? Come on baby. Jump over to this thread you big ol hairy haloe.
ewe
Where are you GayVeteran???? We are putting down a white guy. A big ol fat self hating gay white trash fag. Where’s your outrage? Does it fit into your race relations? Is it ok with your gaydar? Do i get a pass through Checkpoint Charlie? Come on baby. Jump over to this thread you big ol hairy Haole.
B
Second attempt
No. 16 · Shannon1981 wrote, “@B: The thing is, yes, I get what you are saying, but ANY attempt to change one’s orientation is simply dangerous/ By now you all know why I feel so strongly regarding that. But I assure you I speak the truth.”
The catch is that the claim that “ANY attempt to change one’s orientation is simply dangerous” is an unproven conjecture. Studies have shown that typical reparative therapy can be harmful, but that seems to involve “aversion therapy”, whether causing physical discomfort or pain, or by berating or humiliating someone for being gay.
If, however, some guy walks in the door, is disturbed that he is gay for religious reasons, and desperately wants to change, telling him that he should pray and ask
God to change his sexual orientation is probably going to be beneficial for three reasons.
First, it shifts the responsibility of a change onto a third party so the patient can stop blaming himself. Second, if he is being pressured by his family or church to change, he can tell him that he went to a therapist who told him to pray for a change, and that it is up to God as to when the change will happen (so they shouldn’t berate him because God hasn’t done it yet and he did get the best advise he could so it was not like he wasn’t being “penitent”). Third, if nothing happens (the likely outcome), he can claim that God wants him to be gay, given that he prayed fervently and nothing happened.
Note that none of this is dependent on the existence of the alleged deity. As a ploy, however, it would take the pressure off the patient until he learns to accept himself.
As to who to trust regarding what went on their, the basic rule is to trust no one. Spinning things is so pervasive in American culture these days that you really can’t trust anything that gets said anymore.
Jaye
I’d love to be as the Buddhist monk and simply meditate positive zen thoughts little Marcus Marc’s way there, but–when you participate in any sort of monstrous “gay reparative” organization, and your wife espouses the most dispassionate, illiterate, myopic rhetoric in a very public forum, well, you don’t get sympathy points from me.
And with that beaming, slight head tilt Glamourshot in the headline, he looks like Chaz Bono in ten years. Cute!
Adman
“Can We Please Stop Calling Marcus Bachmann “Gay” and “Gay-Faced”
No.
No, we can’t. Sorry femme queens, this one veers over into denying the facts territory, and we’re just not about that. Suck it up and take one for the team. Consider it payback for all the Quentin Crisps of the world, saying butch gays have no soul and whatnot.
tallest
Can’t it just be enough that Marcus is a horrible, anti-gay bigot? do we have to say he is a closet case? He’s horrid, hypocritical, vile and evil and for those reasons I don’t want him even mildly associated with gay men.
Mav
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.
GregR
Let’s just call him a big old queen. If he is heterosexual, he’s got to be the most feminine looking str8 man in the world. He looks like he’s entering the “older lesbian look” phase of his life.
JonahEastCoast
I agree with Charles but this big ole glarin/lispin hypocrisy was just too big not to address! I heard about Marcus Bachmann and then I HEARD Marcus Bachmann! I just rewatched Jon Stewart on this and I think he was a model of decorum on the subject. We’ve all had our feminine facets picked over and mocked by assholes and no one wants to return to feeling like the humiliated sissy in high school. But I think what people take issue with is that this straight(acting or otherwise, who cares!)sissy is really messing up some kids heads with the federal funds his wife scorns.