Chad Noel, gay porn performer and Laramie, Wyoming, native, died this month following an illness related to HIV complications. He was 25.
Performing, sometimes bareback, under the names Donny Price, Kyle Young, and Craven Cox, Noel became a well-known industry figure for having co-starred in 2004’s (the since-recalled) Every Poolboy’s Dream, from Cobra Video, where he had sex with a then-underage Brent Corrigan, who testified in the murder trial of Cobra’s Bryan Kocis, whose killing stemmed from a studio power play involving Corrigan.
It was Noel’s Poolboy that had Michael Lucas raging against Corrigan and the gay porn industry.
fredo777
This is a damn shame.
Jason
This is not a damn shame.
Good riddance.
If you are dumb enough to be a sperm receptacle and not use protection, I will not mourn your passing.
terrwill
What is a shame that in this day guys are still dying of AIDS, he
must have had a really fcuked up life to not bother to get any meds at all……..probably got lost in a haze of addiction where he would barter his cock and ass for another hit……he was def hot…………..
JoeyB
Everyone that gets near Brent Corrigan ends up bad.
tinkerbell
@Jason: I really think you should go to the Laramie newspaper obit link provided in the article and read some of the comments about this kid.
Good riddance??? This kid lost his life to a HORRID disease. Why? Because he had sex. Such a crime??? You post about him like he is a pedophile and a serial killer.
Yeah, he should have used protection, but we all make mistakes…both you and I. Fortunately, I’ve been able to live past 25 without being infected.
Aaron
Sorry, Tinkerbell, but in this day and age, there is absolutely no excuse for reckless and irresponsible behavior such as barebacking. Sex is not a crime. But having unprotected sex nowadays is stupid. It’s giving disease the green light. He brought it on himself and I therefore cannot feel bad for him. It’s not a “mistake”. It’s reckless, irresponsible stupidity, plain and simple!
Albo
You old people are funny. Slamming a dead guy. Classssssy.
terrwill
Geeze give the poor dead kid a break, as stated prior, being a pornster and DOA @ 25 most likely was an addict. Like so many kids in porn are, and didn’t exactaly make smart choices. Being that he succumbed at only 25 he most likely got infected when he was very young. No one knows his background. He may have been another Derrick Martin, without an outpouring of sympathy, tossed on his ass on the streets and had to resort to selling that ass to exist…………
tinkerbell
@Aaron: Do you speed when you drive? How about drink and drive, ever done that? Do you smoke tobacco? Are you obese or overweight? Do you drink alcohol? Ever taken illicit drugs? Have you ALWAYS had safe sex?
It never ceases to amaze me how perfect some people are.
Kevin (New Jersey, US)
And here I thought I’d see sympathetic comments. But apparently there are some perfect people commenting here who see no need for compassion. It must be nice making the right choices all the time, being “smart” and “responsible” all the time.
The perfect people here should hope that they never make a mistake though, else they might desire the same kind of compassion from others, which, as we see here, is obviously not the appropriate reaction to the death of a beautiful youth struck down by AIDS.
“There but for the grace of God go I.”
Jason
@tinkerbell:
Boo fucking hoo.
Taylor Siluwé
Sad. I agree with Terrwill that he could have been another Derrick, abandoned as a teen for being gay.
As for the vitriol about a 25 yr old dying, shame on you. Pray your callous negative energy doesn’t boomerang, as it so often does (and rightfully so).
tinkerbell
@Jason: Thank you, Jason, you just proved my point more than anything ANYONE could have said.
Jason
@tinkerbell: He proved it by doing us the favor of removing his DNA from the human race.
We are better off.
Sam
It’s sad that some gay men will celebrate the death of another gay man just so they can feel superior and self-righteous. There are millions of right-wing Christians out there who wish for us all to die and do not care if we’re bareback porn stars or monogamously married for decades. You do not have to agree with this man’s life choices to think that it’s sad that he died and that AIDS continues to kill so many in our community far before their time.
Fred Phelps will get a “good riddance.” This is just sad, and made even more sad from the nasty comments. I hope you and your loved ones are treated with more compassion when you pass on than you just afforded this man and those he left behind.
Andrew
What a sad ending to what may have been a sordid life. One never likes to hear about someone dying in their prime of a disease that could have been avoided. Instead of being contemptuous of the victim transfer it to the producers and consumers of bareback porn. Like child pornography it is exploiting (ie desparate men who need money) and would not exist if there was not a demand for it.
Giovanni
@Jason
It seems to me, bro, that you are already dead and I am sad for you as well – just not as much.
asa1973
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. I remember being in my late teens and early 20s. Barely out of the closet. Desperate for love and attention. Desperate for acceptance as a gay man. Very well educated about HIV/AIDS. Hating myself and finding solace in the destruction of sexual promiscuity and drugs. Using condoms sometimes. Not using condoms other times…especially if I thought “he was the one.” I wasn’t a porn star, but porn stars are known to be tortured souls.
Have some compassion for this kid who obviously couldn’t find his way through. Self-distructive, yes. A horrible, base human being who made bad choices and contracted a disease from performing a natural act, I don’t think so.
Aaron
Jason : it looks like you and I are the only ones who see this for what it is. Boo fucking hoo is right!
Tinkerbell : for the record, I very rarely go over the speed limit as I am in no rush. I do not drink any alcohol, ever. So drinking and driving is not a problem for me. I detest drugs in every way, shape or form. I have not had unsafe sex since safe sex came into being. Reckless behaviour is not my style. It isn’t even a question of being perfect as nobody ever is. It’s just being smart. If you assume that not speeding, drinking, drugging means that one is perfect, then that shows that your world is very limited.
I am assuming that you were either not even born in the 70’s or that you were very young. As one who has lived and survived those early days, I can tell you that there simply is no excuse for recklessness. No excuse at all. There are far too many resources at your disposal for you to ignore. If you want to pity a kid who foolishly gambled with his life and lost, then go ahead. But it will say a heck of a lot more about you than it will about me!
terrwill
To those who somehow cyberwandered from the Godhatesfags.com site:
The amount of time between initial HIV infection to death from AIDS varies tremendously. A very small number of people (“nonprogressors”) who are HIV-positive never develop AIDS – it is suspected that these few people have certain genetic differences that discourage immune system damage4. For most HIV-positive people who do not receive any treatment for HIV, AIDS develops around 10 years after initial infection (sometimes years sooner, sometimes years later). Once a person has AIDS, it is difficult to say with certainty when that person’s health will ultimately fail. Intervention after a diagnosis of AIDS can help the immune system function longer.
Based on the ten year time frame he was probably infected when he was 15 years old…Still think he “deserved to die”…………..
Sam
@Aaron: I think it says quite a bit about you. Namely, how much must your life suck that you have to scorn a dead 25 year old to feel better about yourself?
I hope for his relatives’ sake that none of them come here and read your petty, self-righteous comments.
asa1973
@Aaron: Wow. You ARE perfect. May every gay man live by your pristine example.
Tom
@Aaron: What it says about you is that you are a mean-spirited,morally bankrupt, more than likely extremely frightened, judgmental old man who lacks even a shred of compassion. Also, judging by the semi-perfect, no-risk taking life you describe living, you are also one of the most boring old men alive, who has led a boring, seething, angry, tiny little life full of giant resentments.
If the world is made a better place by the death of people who made mistakes (as you and all the fucked up people here are asserting), than surely things will be much improved when you stop shaking your liver-spotted fist at the rest of us and just shut up and croak already.
Clark
This is very, very sad. Tragic even.
BUT please don’t treat it like he was hit by a bus and it came out of the blue or even like he was he was privately having bareback sex. He was having unsafe sex as part of an industry and one that is based largely on older gays who fucking know better choosing their desire over the safety of others.
For gay youth AIDS deaths are more like a cinematic period/story device. Many of us who are older and saw scores of friends and loved ones die horribly are outraged to see it still happening but I’ve known of two deaths and two at the edge of death in the past year. The oldest was 40. The other 22-25.
For all its many faults the conservative right is not spreading HIV in the gay community.
Josh
Point 1: EVERY death is a sad thing, unless the dead person is a horrible murderous/molesting/amoral monster. To celebrate ANY death, even the death of a monster, says more about your own lack of a soul than that of the victim.
Point 2: That this young man died of AIDS related complications, apparently is a horrible thing. NO ONE deserves to die from that terrible disease, no matter who they are.
Point 3: Bareback sex is dangerous, sure, but no more dangerous than any other reckless behaviour young people have engaged in since we climbed down from the trees. This does not excuse the action as acceptable, BUT one needs to look at the situation and understand WHY the choice was made.
Point 4: Drugs are a terrible thing, as are people who prey on young teenagers fresh off the bus. Bryan Kocis may not have been the first guy to get his hooks in this young man, but he was certainly the most notorious, and he is rightly burning in hell for the many flat out evil things he did. If you want to hate on anyone, hate on the people who manipulated and abused this kid into thinking he was worthless enough to take the risks he took with his life.
Point 5: Bitter old queens who lived through the AIDS scare in the 70’s and 80’s when it was thought to be an unknown strain of cancer, or a plague sent by God, or something that could be passed through sharing toilet seats or shaking hands should have more compassion than that which is seen here.
tinkerbell
@Aaron: I see that you refused to answer whether or not you are overweight/obese and whether or not you have ever abused tobacco products. Also, good luck with your “very rarely ever going over the speed limits.” Your near perfection is almost astonishing. Your omissions give away your “sins.”
Please give this poor child his time of honor and respect. His loved ones at least deserve that. Save your trashing for the living.
You are, however, correct in your assumption that I was not born in the ’70s. I am a child of the 1960s.
Bill
I find it very telling that so many gay men here are condemning this young man for his lack of sexual responsibility.
Yet most of you doing the condemning are so very familiar with the kid’s bareback career.
If you weren’t watching that filth, he wouldn’t have been MAKING that filth.
Looks like you’re both guilty of basically the same thing.
Only he paid with his life, while you only rented the DVD of him doing just that.
Wake up to yourselves gay men!!! We’re fucking ourselves TO DEATH.
Anyone give a god damn about that?????????
andy
In my opinion if you have ever looked at porn then you are complicit in this young man’s death.
jbran
@Aaron: Actually, there is an excuse for his recklessness. The part of your cerebral cortex that controls decision-making isn’t even fully formed until you’re about 22, which means a lot of impulsive behavior. You’re not even fully capable of taking consequences into account when making decisions. Now, I’m not saying that’s the case with this guy’s situation (he may have gotten infected once he was mature), but it at least introduces enough doubt that you should take a step down from your high horse. I don’t engage in reckless behavior either, but I’m also compassionate enough to know that the people who do engage in that behavior are doing it for a host of reasons, not all of which include being stupid or worthy of death.
I’m hoping you’re just some bored old troll and don’t actually spew this kind of negativity to people in your life.
mattresssaleanysizeonelowprice
@ Jason.
I don’t even know where to begin with what you’ve said.
Having a “fuck you” attitude is so unhealty, probably even more so than unprotected sex.
People with this disease are unlucky but not undeserved of love and respect.
You’ll get your comeuppance on day.
John
There wouldn’t be a bareback porn industry if there wasn’t a demand for it. All of you self righteous, pious big mouths put your money and energy where your mouth is. Tell the porn producers to stop making these films. Stop watching/renting/downloading these videos. Do not condemn the participants in them. These kids, and they are kids , are being taken advantage of, sometimes pressured/forced into doing these videos.
This is a sad death as is any death due to AIDS. Until you know someone’s reasoning for doing these, don’t condemn them. You are acting exactly like our much hated opponents on the far right by jumping to conclusions with little or no facts.
Jason
Actually, I have NEVER watched porn.
EVER!!
Even when I was a young, deeply closeted Marine desperate for attetion.
I was dumb. Still am dumb. However, I am nto dumb enough to let some dude fuck me withtout a rubber.
thyures
@ Jason
Oh go fuck yourself already.
Being a Marine is quite like being a virus I suspect. I mean you are trained to infiltrate and kill and sometimes..well a lot of the times, marines and their army ilk have been known to take out families, children, women, babies etc….get it douche?
terrwill
@thyures: Direct you venon towards Jason, not towards the Marines please……………….
Taylor Siluwé
Jason, at least you admit to being dumb. That’s a small step toward leaving douchedom behind.
And if you’ve never “EVER!!” watched porn, then you have more issues than any drug-addicted porn star ever had.
thyures
@Terrwill
Ok, you said please.
delurker again
Is Jason that guy who trolls here claiming every single man is bi. If that’s the same guy, fuck him. Who cares what he has to say?
chris
rest in peace
Fitz
I understand the vitriol against him as this weird combo of denial (wanting to think that death is something that happens to other people.. stupid people) and anger at ourselves for our own animal drives which get us into trouble sometimes. We all make ass-stupid decisions which shorten our lives. Smoke? Extra weight? Fast Driver? Live in a city? Miss a few hours of sleep sometimes? Eat red meat? come on.. we can’t just demonize people for sometimes making stupid calls. Especially when they start out as broken twigs of discarded children.
That he got where he got to shows how we fail our kids. I know it would be easier to blame him alone, but that is nonsense. Our world just doesn’t raise gay kids well.
So i wont respond with anger for Jason or the others. Anger is easy and doesn’t solve this, though I know it’s what he pulls for. Today we just have a dead kid whose life was filled with bad decisions and carrion crows.
terrwill
@Fitz: Nice summmary of the clusterfuck that this thread has progressed into…….gotta add again, we are posting about the sad, result of something that most likely began affecting this kid when he was a 15 year old boy. Guarantee he was an unluckey Derrick Martin………Maybe Derrick, Tanner’s parents might want to give this story a looksee……..
Josh
@terrwill: Checked out his Obit. Most of the posts seem to be from two camps: girls he was friends with and took to various functions, and strangers/neighbors/generic well-wishers.
Like a lot of gay boys, it seems his circle of friends was mostly comprised of girls who kept/didn’t know his secret. It’s a shame that this is how it all turns out…
I just hope that, as his family does seem to be getting a lot of love from neighbors and friends and such, maybe they weren’t the EVIL parents of gay nightmares. I’d bet anything, though, that they didn’t understand their son, and that lack of understanding played a part in how he turned out.
That and Bryan Kocis.
Paul Bunion
There are a multitude of reasons why someone in this day and age would still put themselves at risk, seroconvert and then leave the condition untreated to end with a premature death.
One of them is illuminated by the tone of many of the comments on this site.
Aaron
@Tom: Come follow me in my everyday life and you’ll see for yourself that I am none of the things you wrote. Till then, shut the fuck up!
Aaron
@tinkerbell: At 5’10 and 175lbs, I am hardly overweight. And I quit smoking 16 years ago. So much for what you deam to be my vices!
You are fawning and gushing over a complete stranger and then get your panties in a bunch because another total stranger calls it out for what it is. And you think I have issues???
Of course its sad! But, as I wrote, in this day and age, there is no excuse. He played with fire and paid the ultimate price. The reasons for which he did play with fire are a whole other story and are not exactly the subject at hand here. You know the dangers but you go ahead and do it anyway, for whatever reason, and expect sympathy? Come on!
Aaron
@jbran: Why do you people keep making fucking excuses for this kid??? The excuse I’m replying to in this message really takes the cake!
Stop making excuses for reckless behavior! No matter the reason for said reckless behyavior! What part of that do you not understand? Hello! What planet are you on? Stop enabling and excusing such irresponsible behavior! Get kids like this some counseling! Something! Anything! Bot no more excuses!
Juan
Sometimes, people out there is so damaged that they cannot feel compassion.
Selfrighteous is fun (when is not against you) and it’s a behaviour as reckless and irresponsible as living on the edge.
For me, it’s all about love. If you have ever been loved and loved something/someone, you are able to be compassive about the tragedy of a life ending for a terrible reason.
His fault? Not your call, buddy.
Fitz
Aaron, I honestly think that you are mixing up ‘enabling’ with ‘explaining’. Did he screw up? Hell yea, royally. But he didn’t exist in a vacuum. In no way do I want to excuse recklessness, and in no way do I want to let me/you/us off the hook for our responsibility to reduce the potential for this kind of disaster from happening so frequently.
And in no way do I want to deny a moment of respect and sadness for one of my brothers who died at a very young age of a preventable cause. It is sad, and I see no need to rush to anger– just sit with it for now.
Josh
@Aaron:
Compassion: a feeling of deep sympathy and sorrow for another who is stricken by misfortune, accompanied by a strong desire to alleviate the suffering.
Compassion for a person’s hardship/loss/death does not equal excusing the causes of it when such misfortune is brought on by the victim’s own actions. It simply means that we are aware that, as the saying goes, “There, but for the grace of God, go I.”
Those of us expressing sympathy for this young man and his family recognize that while ultimately, he made his own decisions which led to this sad point, he did not act alone. Our, or at least MY, outrage at your callous, unfeeling assholery is not fawning or gushing at all. Both of those terms indicate a submissive charade, a false show of emotion. I won’t speak for everyone here, but I am saddened by any death, because I hold every life to be a precious and fragile thing.
Do I wish Mr. Noel – who I do not know, but do not NEED to have known to feel compassion for him and his family – had lived a smarter life? Of course.
Do I wish that Mr. Noel had never gotten in with the kind of people who made such choices seem ‘acceptable’? Of course.
Does that mean I should give up all principle and human kindness, ignore the fact that a family is suffering a terrible loss, forget that this young man – cut off in the prime of his life – got to this point in large part because of the interference and permissiveness of others? Of course not.
And that, Aaron, is the difference between us. I am a human being, with a soul, and you, clearly, are not.
I can only hope that when you pass from this world, as we all inevitably do, people show you a touch more compassion than you see fit to show others.
REBELComx
Hey Queerty, some misinformation in your article.
Chad (or as he was known in Cobra Videos, Donny) did not have sex with the then underage Brent Corrigan in the movie you mentioned. He was in one scene: a foursome which didn’t feature Brent at all.
Aaron
@Josh: The many thousands of gay men who died in the first wave of AIDS in the 80’s–now THAT is a tragedy. Mainly because they never saw it coming. So you are asking me to feel sorry for a kid who knew the dangers and went ahead and did it anyway? You think his (assumed) miserable childhood is an excuse? Just because he had a bad life makes it okay to be irresponsible? Sorry. Doesn’t work that way. There is no excuse for irresponsible behaviour, no matter how fucked up you are. You play with fire and pay the price. Period. End of story. And if you need to feel compassionate about total strangers in order to make yourself out as better than me, then I’m not so sure I’m the one with the problem!
And what the hell do you know about my soul? You do not know me. You are not with me every day of my life so that you can state wether I have a soul or not. Like I said to a few of the other posters here, come and spend a day with me and you wilol then be able to see if I have a soul or not. Just because I have no sympathy for irresponsible and reckless behavior does not for one moment mean that I have no soul, you idiot!
james p. p.
i don’t understand the hate here. it is suspicious to me, like when a fired up Christian preacher goes on and on for an hour on homosexuals. yes. we get it. move along.
we are all human beings. personal choice is just that. to go on a diatribe about how they deserve death or whatever is laughably pointless.
remember, the people you are biting had to SUFFER with the disease for how ever long BEFORE finally dying… so, you know… I think they learned their lesson. we get it. move along.
what is the point to pushing the meanness to the point of judgemental? it shows how the simplest minds usually scream the loudest.
Aaron
@james p. p.: Just saw your blog. Yep, you have a simple mind alright!
Josh
@Aaron: So, because thousands died of AIDS before anyone knew what it was, those are the only people whose deaths we should regret? Nope. Not feasible. EVERY death is regrettable, whether because of the circumstances of the death, or the events which led to it. Even suicides and deaths brought on by bad decisions. EVERY death is regrettable not just the ones you deem worthy.
As to my ‘you have no soul’ comment, I don’t think you have no soul because you have no sympathy. I say it because you not only have no sympathy, but you mock and deride and demonize without any regard for the suffering of his family. I call you soulless because you put yourself forward as the ultimate judge of this young man’s worth and don’t care how hateful and petty and bitter you come off. And if you are anything like, in ‘real life’, the way you are online, I’m perfectly happy never spending a day with you and will just go ahead and think of you as you come off here: a soulless troll.
@james p. p.: Meh. Aaron’s a troll with a petty heart and a bitter soul. Pay him no mind. The rest of us actually bother having compassion and consideration for those who are still grieving.
Aaron
@Josh: I never put myself up as a judge of anything. Never said it, never even hinted at it. If you have perceived it as such, then that’s your problem, not mine. Where you got the idea that I set myself up as anything just shows how your mind operates! And if you don’t want to spend a day in my life to see that you are wrong, then shut the fuck up! You are in no position to say anything about me. You know nothing about me.
I have compassion for kids fighting for their lives while dying of cancer. Those kids never brought it on themselves and were very probably struck without warning. Innocent, defenseless victims who never had a chance. That’s just one example of things and people I would have compassion for. But a reckless, irresponsible porn star? No, absolutely not. He knew the dangers and he did it anyway.
Who I chose to have compassion for is my own business. You have nothing to say about that. If you think I’m evil for showing no feeling for some porn star who played with fire, so be it. I give compassion to those who deserve it. Like those sick kids, or someone who is at the wrong place at the wrong time and who gets run over by a car and is crippled for life. Or a fireman, or a policeman, who risks his own life to save others, and in doing so loses his own life. The many hundreds of innocent people who have lost their lives needlessly ans senselessly in planes crashes, natural disasters, terrorist attacks. That’s what I have compassion for. Not some irresponsible porn star. Clear enough???
Kople
@Aaron:
Aaron, Eat shit and die. K thx.
B
No. 54 · Aaron wrote, “Who I chose to have compassion for is my own business. You have nothing to say about that. If you think I’m evil for showing no feeling for some porn star who played with fire, so be it. I give compassion to those who deserve it.”
Well, you could read the opinion of someone who is supposed to be an expert on compassion: http://www.dalailama.com/messages/compassion (and while officially a religious leader, he doesn’t even think it is necessary to be religious).
Josh
@B: Amen. If anyone knows the value of compassion, even towards those who have done wrong, it’s him.
EVERYONE deserves compassion. It’s not something you give out based on if they ‘deserve it’ or not. By every post he has made, Aaron has placed himself as the judge and jury of who does and does not deserve compassion, and sadly, he’s wrong, and only proves himself more wrong with every hateful screed.
@Kople: As much as it might be cathartic to say that to someone you disagree with, that kind of sentiment is no better than Aaron’s overly-judgemental rants. Don’t lower yourself to his level.
fredo777
The only thing more sad than his passing is how ridiculously judgmental some of the posters here are. Barebacking = bad. We get it.
How’s the air up there on those high horses?
Mark
By NO STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION is this actually a “Brent Corrigan” story.
KB
I’m shocked at the cold-heartedness I see on display here.
Although I have long felt that reading blog comments is about as valuable as walking up to random strangers at a bus stop and asking them their opinion on something, it does make me feel that our community suffers when people go out of the way to say “Good riddance” when someone dies from AIDS and the person commenting has no idea regarding the circumstances regarding how they contracted HIV. At the time he contracted HIV, at what was surely an early age, might not he have been raped? Intoxicated beyond his known limits? Made a mistake? Had psychological problems beyond his control?
When my best friend revealed that he had AIDS in the late 1980s, he lost his teaching position, and was reviled by many people in his community. Twenty years later, while HIV and AIDS are not feared like they used to be, some in our own community continue to do that for ourselves.
I can’t describe what I feel seeing that disagreeing with someone’s lifestyle and choices is reason to dismiss their death with “Good riddance.”
Ed
Well, he actually did not have sex with Corrigan on Every Poolboy’s Dream.
Matt Spaid
This article is complete rubbish! Complete and utter fiction.
Chad died from drug related complications.
Chad did not have sex with Bret Corrigan in the “Pool Boy’s Dream” video. Chad was in the very first scene that wasn’t even filmed in the same location as the scenes that Bret was in.
Check your facts please before using someone’s death as a platform to spread lies.
Chad has been my best friend from when he was 17 and I was 19.
I’m not particularly surprised that there’s drama surrounding his death. Not at all. Controversy is certainly the way he would want it.
“Dancing in moonlight
I know you are free
Cuz I can see your star
Shining down on me”
damon459
Sometimes I think the comments on here are more entertaining then the article they are commenting on this is clearly one of them. I wish I knew every hateful person on here so I could save their comments for their own obituary.
Jeremy
I don’t think I can ever watch BB porn without imagining one of the actor gets HIV and lives a horrible life afterward. I just can’t watch those videos anymore. 25 and died out of AIDS? It’s really really sad…
tinkerbell
@Aaron: I am honored to have finally met (at least in a cyber-sense) the perfect person. I suppose you are the fictional brother, Aaron, of Moishe/Moses of Torah/Biblical fame?
I am happy for you that you have never made mistakes or have contracted a terminal illness. You are to be commended for an exceptional life that allows you to judge others. Perhaps you should be doing PSAs for the CDC.
Aaron
@B: Oh give me a fucking break! I write about who I choose to show compassion for and you write back about the Dalai Lama? As if any of us could even approach his level. Come on! Nobody can compare themselves to him. And now you’re hinting that I should? What for? I am perfectly within my right to give compassion to whomever I choose. I think there are far worse things I could be doing than not showing compassion for some non-descript, little-known, irresponsible porn star! If you recklessly play with fire, you deserve whatever you get! What part of that do you not understand? “Let he who is without sin” applies to me, for sure, but it applies to you too! Did you ever think about that? Bet you didn’t! So you just go and waste your compassion on some obscure little porn star. I’ll go and waste my compassion of sick kids, old ladies and hurricane victims. In other words, you’re no better than I am!
Aaron
@tinkerbell: According to you, I am perfect if I never smoke/drink/do drugs/have safe sex? That’s it? That is the extent of your criteria for judging if a person is perfect? That’s a very limited/narrow world you live in! I never for one moment said/wrote/thought that I am perfect. I am far from perfect. You are the one who wrote it, not me. And you think I’m judgemental? And you think I make assumptions? Speak for yourself, you hypocrite!
james p. p.
@Aaron:
“I never put myself up as a judge of anything. Never said it, never even hinted at it. If you have perceived it as such, then that’s your problem, not mine.”
LOL. actually, good debate is in presentation, not interpretation. you can speak as many words as you wish, but the fact that you are still arguing a pointless issue means you have long lost your point.
it’s cute though. 🙂
james p. p.
@Aaron:
“I think there are far worse things I could be doing than not showing compassion for some non-descript, little-known, irresponsible porn star! If you recklessly play with fire, you deserve whatever you get!”
so to help you out “i think there are” says that whatever follows is an opinion. THANKS FOR SHARING. love you!
the “recklessly” and “irresponsible” are assumptions, you are not present for any of his sexual encounter and as bareback studios would do/say anything to young potential bareback performers… it is possible that in his naive head it wasn’t reckless or irresponsible. we don’t know, really.
and to clarify it to you, the “you deserve what you get” is a judgement as you are passing a condemnation to someone you don’t know and never met based off slanted one-sided and very limited information. where have we heard this kind of speech before?
oh, what to i know? i’m “simple” man with a “simple” blog. but hey Aaron, feel free to follow me on Twitter!! “mrtinkertrain6”. woot! woot!
Aaron
@james p. p.: You’re young. You’re also stupid. You’ll (hopefully) learn.
CHIEFSSRSHA
@Aaron: Do not fret over the comments here! Most of these people feel a connection to that boy because they often jacked off to him being barebacked–THEY will surely and sorely miss him. He played with LIFE and he LOST, let that be a lesson to him and others who might be so inclined. I shed not a single tear for him. We [Gays] are a persecuted bunch, agreed. But we all rise above the challenge, its what makes life interesting. Haven’t we–each of us–looked back upon our past and found our struggles/obstacles trivial? There is NO EXCUSE–parental indiscretion be damned–for reckless sexual behavior knowing full well the repercussions. It is this very weapon that the rest of the world holds at its arsenal of intolerance against us and it must be tamed, a difficult pill to swallow for most of you I’m sure. But worry not, the most difficult pills to swallow are often the best panaceas for all that ails us.
fredo777
@CHIEFSSRSHA: A lot of flowery words to, basically, just pass the same casual judgment against a dead kid.
Neeeext.
Josh
@Aaron:
@CHIEFSSRSHA:
Once again, you people entirely – and I think at this point WILLFULLY – miss the point. Compassion is not a limited commodity. It’s not like oil, or food or money. And if I’m reading your sentiments right, you seem to be saying that since none of us can ever BE the Dalai Lama, we should all just give up and act like bitter old assholes to everyone we think of as beneath us.
I’ve actually never seen a single movie this kid’s done. I stopped watching porn a few years ago, when I accepted that I was and am an asexual person, with no interest in sex, despite my identification as a gay man and appreciation for the beauty of the male form. Perhaps that acceptance and the energy I have now from not wasting it on clubs, bars and tricks has allowed me to move into a place where I have compassion for everyone, even people like you guys, and wish them a better life, no matter HOW low they are on the societal totem pole.
This young man was, if one looks at the negative comments posted here, among the lowest of the low in the gay community. A porn star, possibly an escort, an addict, a barebacker, and a twink. And in the eyes of people like you, that makes him below dirt, unworthy even of sadness at his passing. You are incapable of recognizing that the compassion expressed to his friends, his family, and in some ways, to him has NOTHING to do with ‘jerking off’ to his porn, and everything to do with the loss of a young human life, far too early.
Not one person here has sought to deny that the young man’s actions and choices brought about his end. This is a given, and we all accept it. What we do NOT do, unlike you, is assume that he went around asking people to infect him with HIV so he could die. And frankly, even if he HAD done that, would that make him any less worthy of compassion? No. Because there are REASONS we act the way we do. We can speculate all we like about how his parents treated him, how his friends reacted to his coming out, whether he was on drugs or not.
There ARE, however, certain things we DO know. He was a gay youth from Wyoming who moved to NYC, as so many do, seeking his future. There, he met a man named Bryan Kocis and was convinced to perform in bareback scenes for money. It is likely that Bryan was also the one who got him into drugs, and started the cycle of self-defeat that led to this point. From Bryan’s notoriously poisonous influence to the time of Chad’s death, we know he filmed other bareback and fetish films, perhaps because they were all he felt he was worth, perhaps because he enjoyed it, perhas a little of both. We don’t know for certain, and we will NEVER know for certain. He seemed to be trying to get out of the porn life, to make it as a legitimate model, but his life was cut short by his earlier bad decisions. All of this is why it is so poisonous to sit in judgement over Chad’s worth as a human being.
I think you people, with your bitter hearts and soulless words, need to look deep into yourselves and figure out where YOU went wrong and find a way to fix what’s broken inside of you. But you won’t listen. You already ‘know’ you’re right.
B
No. 65 · Aaron wrote, “@B: Oh give me a fucking break! I write about who I choose to show compassion for and you write back about the Dalai Lama? As if any of us could even approach his level.”
… I didn’t exactly write about the Dalai Lama. Rather, I provided a URL to his article on compassion and left it at that. I guess you didn’t like what you saw, assuming you bothered to read it.
And BTW, you don’t have to “approach his level” to refrain from posting negative opinions about the recently deceased.
CHIEFSSRSHA
@Josh: Geez! You should call your publisher, this chapter is done.
“What we do NOT do, unlike you, is assume that he went around asking people to infect him with HIV so he could die.”
I’ll say–and so will countless others with any brain–that if anyone carried on a life of promiscuous, unsafe sex, it is tantamount to the actions you outlined above. Means—-YES, I am saying, indeed “he [basically] went around asking people to infect him with HIV so he could die.”
“And frankly, even if he HAD done that, would that make him any less worthy of compassion? No. Because there are REASONS we act the way we do.”
Yes and the egoist will argue those reasons make up WHO WE ARE as human beings! Clearly he was the wrong and weak sort who asked for it and ended up another pathetic gay youth statistic. The Fool!
CHIEFSSRSHA
@Josh: “But you won’t listen. You already ‘know’ you’re right.”
You said it!
Josh
@CHIEFSSRSHA: So we should hate and deride a person for who they are, in your arguement. He was weak and wrong and asked for AIDS, so he deserved to die and we should all celebrate it. Isn’t this the EXACT arguement used to attack all gay people, everywhere?
Mr. Phelps, is that you?
Anonymouse
Poor guy. He probably contracted HIV during the HelixStudios time of his porn life.
I’ll have to say the comments here don’t surprise me in the least. Typical faggotry.
There are fags… and there are faggots.
james p. p.
@CHIEFSSRSHA
My “connection” to the story is that I moved across country to help my best friend die of this very disease. And the progression of the final 6 months was his most difficult. So whereas anyone who is blatantly screaming “I LOVE BAREBACKING – SUCK MY BALLS” or someone who just got drunk and wasn’t paying attention… either way is a series of personal decisions and I get that.
@ Aaron
I’m 35, but I look young, don’t I? LOVE my genes!
The point is that this person whoever and however they got this disease, spent their last days/months in frightened agony. There is no dignity in this. there is no hiding your mistake. there is no turning back. there is nothing your Phelps-ish self-righteousness is going to accomplish here and yet you still write for some… reason.
i would be one to question why you object so much, all day for *however* many days. I don’t know… I don’t assume. but your condemnation is definitely strong. I hope that works out for you.
CHIEFSSRSHA
@Josh:
“So we should hate and deride a person for who they are, in your arguement.”
YES, if who you are has proven detrimental either to self or society on the wider canvas. The boy tested the limits of pleasure and paid the price. Why was he in a hurry to grow up so fast? This is how it will go for all of his kind, first them and then us. Life will dispose as many of them as it can before it does to us so the last thing to do is smile.
Mark
Let’s not forget, that the rise-and-fall of Chad Noel had nothing to do with Brent Corrigan, whom he merely shared acting credits in a porn. Nor does Brent Corrigan’s underage status of the time, which the title of this friggin article takes great care to remind us, have anything to do with Chad Noel’s plight. This. Is. Not. A. Brent. Corrigan. Story.
Rebecca Hanks
Wow…. I am shocked by reading all of this. From some of the comments posted I must say that it’s because of some people that the world is in such despair. Are we not all human beings? Show some compassion and respect, if you don’t have anything nice to say, keep your mouth shut! Chad’s death is NOT the place for you to air your opinions on either Chad or his lifestyle.
Having known Chad very well and being one of the “girls he was friends with and took to various functions” reading all of this breaks my heart. Chad didn’t deserve this, no one deserves this. Everyone should stop assuming that he died of AIDS or HIV related causes. Have any of you that want to preach seen the cause of his death as determined by the coroner?!?! NO!!
Chad was honestly one of the sweetest, most compassionate people, and gave not only me but several people in our small town the strength to be themselves, he was the type of person that could light up a room with his beautiful smile.
Using someone’s death as a public forum to speak your mind is just plain wrong. As someone that knew and loved Chad very much I would have to agree that he would have loved the controversy, but it is painful and emotional to read. Let it go…
RIP Chad
Josh
@CHIEFSSRSHA: I gotcha, man. I agree. We should wipe all the faggots off the map, man. The Bible says they’re ‘detrimental either to self or society on the wider canvas’ as you put it. While we’re at it, lets get rid of the niggers. And the Honkeys. And the Chinks.
Get my point? Your language is ignorant and hateful, just like the language of every hate-monger who has ever existed. Yes, in this case, the young man made decisions that led to his death. THAT DOES NOT MEAN HE SHOULD NOT BE MOURNED AS A HUMAN BEING. Why is the concept of compassion so hard for some people to understand?
@Mark: You know, no one but commenters talking about how this is not a Brent Corrigan story have come here talking about Brent Corrigan. Why do you people insist on defending someone from something that doesn’t exist? His name is used in the headline. Big Fucking deal.
@Rebecca Hanks: Rebecca, my deepest condolence to you and to Chad’s family for your loss. Don’t take the hateful and petty words of a few people to stand for tha majority of us. No one should die so young.
Mark
Suggested alternate titles to this blog post:
#1 “Chad Noel, porn star and recipient of sympathy from commenter claiming to be named Josh, dies at 25. Another porn star who appeared in one of Chad’s early movies was underage at the time of that performance, but this had nothing to do with Chad’s death”.
#2 “Anonymous commenter named ‘Josh’ posthumously defends the honor of dead prostitute Chad Noel in Queerty blog flamewar. Brent Corrigan was underage at the time of shooting a video which Chad was also in years ago.”
#3 “Brent Corrigan once appeared in a porn video, which now-dead fellow prostitute, Chad Noel also appeared in, though it was a different scene, and while Brent was underage at the time, Chad later contracted HIV at another porn job. We just hate Brent so much we wanted to smear him while pretending to care that Chad is dead. Anonymous commenter ‘Josh’ defends this awkward and slanderous title, and irrationally expends his energy criticizing other commenters who object to smear campaigns.”
Observe how neither you nor Brent Corrigan belongs in those subject lines. Call me silly, but I feel that the subject line should be on-focus, and not include random, painfully naked and futile attempts to smear unrelated people who aren’t part of the story.
And WTF do you mean “my people”? Are we a group *you’d* like to wipe off the map? You really don’t sound like a very consistent, credible person. Stop being a prick, Josh.
Peace and love, Mark.
Josh
@Mark: I said “You” people, referring to the multiple posts addressing Brent Corrigan’s uninvolvement in this situation. Not “Your” people. I have read multiple posts about this not being connected to Brent and so, I addressed everyone at once, without realizing that of the three posts proclaiming that Brent Corrigan had no connection to this, two were yours, three now. My apology.
The article writer was a boob and posted misinformation, yes, but aside from ONE person posting unflatteringly about Brent very early in the thread, no one else brought him up except to say that this had nothing to do with Brent.
I have to ask though, why you feel the need to state what anyone with internet access can figure out? And why do you need to state it more than once?
Do me and yourself a favor and actually read the entire thread instead of simply posting an attack against me assuming I want to wipe anyone out, OK?
Also, I’d recommend actually trying to contact the writer of the article to get the title and info changed, as I agree with you that it requires a change so as not to provide false information, but I think it’s quite clear that pretty much no one really noticed or cared, and no one with half a brain actually thinks Brent had anything to do with this. Let’s try to keep things on topic, OK?
CHIEFSSRSHA
@Rebecca Hanks: “Chad was honestly one of the sweetest, most compassionate people, and gave not only me but several people in our small town the strength to be themselves, he was the type of person that could light up a room with his beautiful smile.”
Reads like any other epitaph of the dead!
“Using someone’s death as a public forum to speak your mind is just plain wrong.”
His lifestyle may have led to his death and that is a FACT that must be used to make a point, as is the use of any other fact of life.
@Josh: “I gotcha, man. I agree. We should wipe all the faggots off the map, man. The Bible says they’re ‘detrimental either to self or society on the wider canvas’ as you put it. While we’re at it, lets get rid of the niggers. And the Honkeys. And the Chinks.”
Ah, I knew your reply would take this route. That is why I took out a little insurance with the word “Proven” which you conveniently ignored here!
nequia
I would like to share this video collage I made in Chad’s memory from photos taken over the years.. I miss him so much.
This especially goes out to all the haters on here. Jealousy will get you nowhere!
Click below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwSIdxrHBmw
He was truly an amazing person.
Below is a picture of Chad and I taken when we first met in 2002.
[img]http://mattspaid.com/matt-chad-2002.jpg[/img]
Brandon
Apparently Aaron didn’t get the memo that condoms were around long before HIV/AIDS or that it’s been stated over and over that only *abstinence* is truly SAFE sex. Reading the recent dispute that he even died of AIDS related complications, but instead of drugs, possibly makes the knee jerkism of the bareback = bogeyman crowd, even MORE obnoxious this time around.
james p. p.
I wonder exactly how many people have died due to this disease since the first judgemental comment made on this post….
jason
AIDS is not a disease, it’s a condition. It’s important to understand this. AIDS is a condition of severely diminished immunity, the diseases associated with it being either primary (ie. causing diminished immunity, such as syphilis, gonorrhea etc) or secondary (ie resulting from diminished immunity, such as pneumonia) to the condition.
It never ceases to amaze that there are still people out there who think AIDS is a disease. It ain’t.
jason
Just following on from my previous post explaining that AIDS is not a disease but a condition, I just thought I’d add my two cents worth about people lecturing me about the importance of using condoms.
Please don’t lecture me. If you’re a slut, go right ahead and use them. I, however, am not a slut. I don’t go into dark parks at night looking for sex with total strangers from Saskatchewan. I don’t visit saunas for furtive fucks in steam rooms with someone who’s just dropped in from Senegal. I don’t need a slut telling me that I should use condoms.
I am perfectly entitled to go bareback. I and my partner are both monogamous and healthy. So fuck off.
Josh
@CHIEFSSRSHA: Here’s a few passages that use the word ‘proven’ too!
“If a gay person supports the gay political agenda, they’re no different than anyone else who supports furthering progressive ideology that has already proven itself to be detrimental to our nation and our society.” – Erik Rush, WorldNetDaily.com
“Homosexual acts are detriment to our society.” – Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli.
“therefore, homosexuality, proven physically detrimental to its participants, is not protected either. Physically, homosexuality ravages both men and women with the AIDS virus and colon cancer, as well as a host of other sexually transmitted diseases10. A democracy must weigh the consequences of rights granted. Would allowing sexual orientation the same status as religious liberty cause more harm to society than the good wrought by religion?” – Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention.
“it is proven that homosexuality in the household can be detrimental to a child’s upbringing.” – Essay titled ‘Why Homosexual Marriage Should Be Banned’
———–
Your words about this young man’s unfortunate death ring just as hollow and hateful as these quotes above. And you have yet to prove that your hate is in any way justified by anyones words here. Therefore, I think it becomes perfectly clear that you are a troll, and therefore, unworthy of further attempts at rational discussion. Enjoy your hate, buddy, I hope it keeps you warm.
Josh
@Matt Spaid: It’s good to see that Chad was loved by his friends, and despite what some rude people would like you to believe, he did not deserve death. For whatever it’s worth, I’m praying for you and all those bereaved by this loss.
@jason: *Snap* You tell it, sister. *Grin*
CHIEFSSRSHA
@Josh: You submit quotes from special interest, usually conservative persons/organisations who–as we all know–take their unsubstantiated, bigot-ridden theories as FACTUAL CERTAINTIES! Have we [Homosexuals] not disproved the theories proclaimed above? We not in our ranks Doctors, Lawyers, and even good gay parents who contribute to the overall societal welfare? Compared to this dead object, whose sort [of reckless sexual vagary] almost always end up the same way, I will say his is a PROVEN FACT not the rantings of simpletons who have constitutional objections to the word “Fact.” You cannot compare their logic to that of mine. Your argument retains no water whatsoever.
When all is said and done, when a Hitler ascends the steps of the White House and decides to carry out a “Social Cleaning”, all we Faggots will have————will be each other. For this kid’s obituary to read “He died of reckless sexual behavior” makes him a traitor to his people by selfish abandonment. It keeps me warm at night knowing that he is roasting somewhere in a dark abyss between worlds. Oh I hate the dead!————Can’t take revenge on them!
fredo777
@CHIEFSSRSHA: You really are a troll.
Josh
@CHIEFSSRSHA: *Pats you on the head and gives up on trying to talk to you as if you were a human being*
Brandon
“You submit quotes from special interest, usually conservative persons/organisations who–as we all know–take their unsubstantiated, bigot-ridden theories as FACTUAL CERTAINTIES”!
Try as you may, you are NOT gonna sit here and tell us that you have license to conflate bareback sex with HIV, “irresponsibility” and a host of other intrinsically unrelated things, and say that that a “bigot” doesn’t have the right (likewise ignoring basic science) to express the same kind of “logic” in saying that this is evidence of the problem with homosexual sex acts.
B
In No. 27 · andy wrote, “In my opinion if you have ever looked at porn then you are complicit in this young man’s death.”
In No. 61, Matt Spaid, who said he was a long-time friend of the deceased with a picture to prove it in No. 86, claims the cause of death was drug related. So what does porn have to do with it?
Regardless of the deceased’s HIV status, many of the comments have an implicit assumption that anyone who became HIV+ and who was in a bareback scene in a porn production caught the disease at “work”. It’s an unsubstantiated assumption, based on the dubious premise that someone who barebacks at “work” would never do that anywhere else. A quick Google search turned up the following article, written by Larry Flynt, who publishes a straight porn magazine called “Hustler”: http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking/story.asp?ID=2122 . Unless Flynt is lying, it seems that very frequent HIV testing is the norm in the porn industry, in which case one would suspect that porn actors who become HIV+ usually catch it somewhere else (it depends on what fraction of a porn actor’s sexual activity is “work” related and what the risk is of work versus non-work sex partners being unknowingly HIV+).
anonymous #4
This is sad. I was watching a bareback thug porn site and noticed on several of those models what appeared to be second stage sphyllis on SEVERAL of those models. The sex was hot but I have been around the block too many times not to recognize thinks like that.
We might be in the mist of a third wave of HIV infections since the 1980’s and this time around no one cares. Sad but obviously true. Barebacking is hot but it comes at a tremendous price for the models. I do hope someone is keeping track of the black performers, though I would not be surprised if no one was.
Brandon
Also implicit as always in this topic of debate is that anyone actually KNOWS the MODE of transmission in an individual. Every anti-bareback tirade is fueled by this yet-to-be-substantiated assumption. How pray tell did you (general you) manage to isolate the exact act that led to one contracting HIV from an HIV positive person? How often do people in porn or real life have anal sex ONLY?
B
No. 99 · Brandon: “Also implicit as always in this topic of debate is that anyone actually KNOWS the MODE of transmission in an individual. Every anti-bareback tirade is fueled by this yet-to-be-substantiated assumption.”
And in the case being discussed, we don’t even know the desceased’s status – a friend of his claimed he died of a drug related cause and QUEERTY claimed it was HIV related, which may or may not be true. I’d prefer not to speculate, if only because it seems a bit disrespectful (and it is not just the deceased but his friends that we should consider).
Receptive barebacking with an infected individual is, of course, known to produce the highest rate of infection for any sex act, but you have to multiply that by the probability that the partner is infected. It’s complex because during the window period – after infection and before an easily detectable level of antibodies exists – the viral load is high, which means a high infection rate. Shortly after a fairly pricey test that can find an infection as little as twelve days before, the chances of an undetected infection are very low, but obviously not zero and the undetected cases can be ones that are highly infectious.
So, basically you have to do a risk assessment to say anything meaningful about a particular individual’s choices, and you need a fair bit of data to do that, plus a high level of technical expertise that most people lack (if terms like Markov chains are things you’ve never heard of, don’t even try).
Of course, if you want a simple rule, “don’t bareback” is a pretty good one – it works for most individuals, with the main exception being completely monogamous couples who have both been tested adequately and who have every reason to trust each other.
Brandon
You lost me with the last paragraph. Although I personally like the setting of monogamy, I don’t see how it works ONLY that way. I also don’t get the stopping short at “don’t bareback” if an infectious agent is present and oral and other sex acts are being performed. It’s not only illogical but hypocritical should one condone one but condemn the other. And of course as I said myself, we don’t know that he even had HIV. But the fact that many commentators respond as if it’s proven he had it, and when and how he got it, it very telling of a people who refuse to approach the issue rationally, which IF he had HIV, is as much a problem as anything else.
Threefold
I grew up with Chad and he was honestly one of the best friends I could have ever hoped or wished for. So for all you people who are talking trash, how would you feel if it was your family. seriously have some damn respect for the dead. He was one of the kindest, sweetest funniest people I’ve ever been graced enough to know. He made people see in themselves what we ourselves didn’t see. I’m absolutely crushed, and it hurts even more to see all these people say all these horrible things about someone they don’t even know. Yes he made some bad choices, but we all make bad choices everyday not knowing if it could cost us our lives. This world is a much dimmer place without him in it.
Irrate
I just have to say, Shame on all of you that would disrespect the dead! Chad and I were very good friends! Yes he had HIV, yes he was a gay man, yes he did gay porn, WHO CARES?! He made some mistakes in his life, but who hasn’t?! For those of you that say that this world is a better place without him, you obviously didn’t know him! When Chad was around, everyone was smiling and having a good time! He had a rough life, but it was the life that he chose. If you don’t like what he decided to do with his life, then don’t do it in your life, IT IS YOUR CHOICE! I am very sad to see all of the nasty comments about a wonderful young man that lost his life to a horrible disease! Yes it could have been prevented, and treated, but Chad did what he wanted to do, and was happy while doing it! I hope that when I die, I can say that I was happy! Now, get a life and comment on something that you actually know about!
Irrate
@CHIEFSSRSHA: You are rediculous! You obviously didn’t know Chad! I hope you burn in hell when you die!
anonymous
I remember the days when Helix Studios had the hottest barebacking models the porn industry could muster. Now, they all look like skinny, HS meth addicts who will do anything for $5oo per scene. That studio is now producing trash with trashy looking models.
B
No. 100 · Brandon wrote, “You lost me with the last paragraph. Although I personally like the setting of monogamy, I don’t see how it works ONLY that way. I also don’t get the stopping short at “don’t bareback” if an infectious agent is present and oral and other sex acts are being performed. It’s not only illogical but hypocritical should one condone one but condemn the other.”
Read it again (and in case anyone is confused, this is not about Chad). You don’t know with complete certainty that an infectious agent is not present. A simple rule is one that might be overly conservative, but is safe, and one that says, “don’t bareback” is a reasonable one although it does not have anything to do with other sex acts (e.g., oral sex). It is also not a question of condoning or condemning something, but rather simply realizing that the risk of infection per sex act varies by over an order of magnitude depending on the sex act and whether or not condoms are used, assuming an infected partner. Then you have to factor in the chances that a partner is infected but doesn’t know it or won’t admit it. Regardless, it is not hypocritical to set a threshold for the risks you are willing to accept. People do that all the time (e.g., for something as mundane as deciding whether to drive in bad weather or stay home).
If you are trying to get a simple message out to the general public, however, “don’t bareback” works – it’s short and not complicated. You’ll confuse people if you try to explain (for example) an exception for cases in which both partners have just had the most sensitive (and expensive) HIV test, duplicated in case of processing errors, with no even slightly unsafe sexual activity for at least 12 days before the test and up to the present.
Brandon
True, you don’t always know whether the infections is there or not. But not knowing whether an infectious agent is present is true regardless of the act (granted the act is a route of transmission – not just the taboo ones. Just want to make that clear.
Evidently, “simple” messages don’t necessarily lead to clarity either….as there are plenty of people that would contest the idea that there ARE exceptions. If they do believe there are, they are very good at hiding that fact in these discussion. “Don’t bareback” is simple to verbalize yet pretends that sex is a simple matter.
As for “threshold of risk”, I find that to be specious. Quantifying risk really doesn’t modify that the object of threat is the same. If I load a gun that had 10,000 chambers with a bullet, it’s still a bullet as if there were only 4 chambers. The hypocrisy would not be choosing one over the other – it would be in judging others for doing that which is qualitatively no different that what they do.
Having said that, I won’t post anymore about this on this particular post since this is not necessarily what this post is about.
B
No. 106 · Brandon wrote, “Evidently, ‘simple’ messages don’t necessarily lead to clarity either….as there are plenty of people that would contest the idea that there ARE exceptions.” But all not understanding exceptions that are dependent particular combinations of details doesn’t hurt – it doesn’t contribute to one becoming ill.
Regarding, “As for ‘threshold of risk’, I find that to be specious. Quantifying risk really doesn’t modify that the object of threat is the same. If I load a gun that had 10,000 chambers with a bullet, it’s still a bullet as if there were only 4 chambers. The hypocrisy would not be choosing one over the other – it would be in judging others for doing that which is qualitatively no different that what they do,” that statement misses the point that a quantitative difference is important given that you have a finite lifetime. As a general rule, most of us would want to keep the chances of an accidental death low enough that our expected lifespan isn’t significantly shortened. Does that mean reducing the risks to zero? Well, not necessarily – you might miss out on some great experiences if you did. Using that sort of criteria, taking a risk with a 1 in 4 chance of being killed reduces your mean life expectancy at the age of 20 from 75 (or so) to 61. For a 1 in 10000 chance of being killed, the mean life expectancy is reduced to 74.93.
To give a concrete example, there have been 130 space shuttle flights, with 2 destroyed in flight, so your chances of being killed by getting a ride on a space shuttle is about 1 in 65. For barebacking, the risk of becoming HIV+ is a tad better than 1 in 100 per sex act with an infected partner. It’s interesting that some people call those who bareback (even just once) “irresponsible” but don’t make the same judgment for astronauts. I suspect the reason is that they think qualitatively, not quantitatively.
kabukiscarab
@Aaron: I’m a sorry fuck you to the max. I never asked for HIV and a guy cut the condom and gave it to me I nearly died of full blown Aids 2 months after being diagnosed.People with HIV aren’t lepers yet those with out it treat us like we are worthless. So we get a lot more people trying bareback just so they can feel some connection with someone else. Or all the porn is geared to how masculine and straight the guy is so people feel like they aren’t desireable and do things that they normally wouldn’t do so that they can be with someone. We made this hell how dare you judge.
Phil
I’m in total shock, awe, and disgust at much of what I’m reading… the only thing that’s comforting is that Chad would love it! 100+ comments from strangers arguing about him…. he would be hysterical!
Beyond all the speculation and judgements, as someone who was once a very close friend of Chad’s, I can tell you he was truly a beautiful, wonderful, caring, compassionate person. Certainly he made plenty of terrible mistakes, and lived a crazy life to say the least. Does the difficulties he went through earlier in life excuse his poor choices? Maybe, maybe not; but they do make it all the more tragic.
How anyone can cast such aspersions about someone they don’t know and really know nothing about is beyond me. Chad was a real, live person. One that was loved and adored by his friends. To everyone who has spoken in support of him, I thank you. And Chad would thank you as well.
fiestathomas
As a community, we just destroy ourselves with negative comments. How about taking some of the negative and positive energy and put it into HIV infection prevention. If we save one Chad, its all worth it.
Jessi Gear
Chad Noel was a wonderful person. I went to highschool with him in Laramie and Cheyenne WY. This kid had more integrity and kindness in his little finger than most people have in their entire being. Chad and I hung out a lot. He was a shining star when my life was dim. He helped me and many other people see the good in ourselves and others. I do not look down on him for having HIV, it is an unfortunate event that happened to a good person. I had the privelage of attending his memorial service in Laramie this past weekend. There were so many people there it was unbelievable. It just goes to show how loved he was.
Jessi Gear
Before posting my first comment a bit ago I had only read a few of the other posts on here. I am totally sickened by people’s opinions of young man with HIV. It is not so uncommon these days which is sad to say, but true. I had the pleasure of driving Chad to Denver CO to be with friends who cared about him instead of in a house with parents who refused to acknowledge him because of the life style he chose. Even then at 17 he had aspirations of becoming a model. Chad was always a free spirit that did what he wanted to do. I am glad I could help him along the way and share in his life.
@no 48 Aaron… You have no idea what his child hood was like. He was a boy scout, he loved to go four wheeling… It wasn’t all bad. Unfortunately, when he came out he wasn’t accepted by many people that he went to school with, and more importantly his own parents, adopted as they may be, but his parents none the less.
I guess I’m not judging because I knew him. Judging some one because they have HIV or any other fatal condition (self contracted or not) shows just how close minded and irrational the general population is. Let a good soul go to rest. I can almost hear Chad laughing at all this non sense.
fredo777
@Jason:
You are a pathetic excuse for a human being.
Aaron
@fiestathomas: HIV prevention is already there and has been there for over 20 years. Hasn’t anybody learned anything yet? It’s been a part of our lives for a long time. I still say a big part of the problem are people making excuses for this guy. There are no excuses. Period.
Aaron
@Jessi Gear: Funny how so many people come crawling out to claim they knew him, or went to high school with him, etc. Where were all you people while he was alive and needed you???
Aaron
@fredo777: And you’re better? The bio line on your blog says : “Hi. I’m Fredo. Love me”. Seems to me like you would know all about being pathetic and very needy of attention!
Aaron
@Irrate: Yes, it’s your choice alright! And you also have to live with the consequences of your choice. If you see knowingly playing with fire as a “choice”, then do not expect any sympathy! You play with fire knowing full-well the consequences, then you deserve whatever you get! Any idiot can understand that!
Aaron
@Threefold: Oh please! I think I hear violins in the background! Where the hell were you when he was alive? I suppose you’re now going to write another long, phony sob story of how you cared for him at his bedside right till the end? BS!
Aaron
@anonymous #4: Exactly! No one cares! With a couple of exceptions, most of the people who post here are just kiddies who weren’t even born when the first wave hit in the early 80’s. I was. And believe me, we cared, obviously. You had to have been there to know what I mean. But these brats nowadays think the world didn’t exist before they were born. They don’t care about the past and therefore will never learn from it.
I am absolutely astounded by the people here, most of them total strangers to Chad, and several who claim to have known him, who keep making excuses for him. Goddam, there are no excuses!!! None! In the old days, we did not know what hit us, or where it came from, or anything else. But today, with some much information out there, there simply is no excuse! But today’s brats do not understand that. They hypocritically “assault” anyone who dares to call this for what it is!
I’m afraid that you are correct in saying that there will be another wave. So, kiddies, you just keep on making excuses for yourselves and for dead porn stars. See you of the casualty list!
Aaron
@Brandon: Oh, they were around long before HIV, but no one used them in the gay community in the pre-HIV era. You obviously were not even born at that time. If you were, then you are a complete idiot! Very, very few gay guys wore condoms. Artist Barton Benes was once asked, in the 70’s, to wear a condom. He called the guy a freak for asking him that. Nobody used condoms for HIV prevention in the pre-HIV days. Duh! What kind of unbelivable idiot are you???
Aaron
@fredo777: Why is he a troll? Because he sees this for what it really is?
Aaron
@Matt Spaid: Spoken like a true brat 🙂 Jealous? Of what??? Jealous of a 25 year old kid who recklessly endangered his life and probably the lives of others (you’re not in his bedroom 24/7 to know that he was always safe)? Not!
Aaron
@james p. p.: I wonder how many people have died since the first stupid brat made the first excuse on this message board?
fredo777
@Aaron: For the same reason that you’re a troll. Fuck off.
Irrate
@Aaron: I shouldn’t even dignify you with a response but I know that Chad would love all the attention he is getting! I thought you should know that Chad and I were VERY close friends! Even though we lived thousands of miles away from eachother, we kept in touch! Chad and I spoke on the phone almost every week! I drove to NY to visit him on several occations! He knew that no matter what, I would be there for him! So please do not pretend that you knew Chad or any of us! Chad knew that he was loved! You on the other hand, I feel sorry for you! You must be a very bitter, lonely, old man that has nothing better to do than post stupid bullshit on a site where many are trying to mourn this wonderful man’s death! For this, I will pray for you, and hope that you soon realize what an ass you are making of yourself!
Aaron
@fredo777: You’re just a dumb little kid who is still wet behind the ears. Your reaction proves it.
Aaron
@Irrate: Mourn this beautiful man’s death? Hahahahaha 🙂 That gave me a good laugh! He was a fucking porn star! Get real! He knowingly played with fire and paid the price. He’s not the first and won’t be the last! End of story! Very close friends but lived thousands of miles apart? You drove thousands of miles several times just to visit him! Please give me a shovel to remove all that bullshit from my shoes! You’re a riot 🙂
Aaron
@Irrate: I’ll pray for you too 🙂
fredo777
@Aaron: My reaction only proves that I feel you need to fuck off. Do so.
irrate
@Aaron: Fine! I admit! What I wrote was BS! I don’t even know this Chad guy!
Aaron
@fredo777: Your reaction proves that you’re caught and have no intelligent reply 🙂
Irrate
@Aaron: Wow really, you are going to make a fake name on here and pretend to be me?! I am done with this. Chad was a wonderful man and a great friend. I will not dignify any of you with a response! I will mourn the death of my friend on my own, because all you people do is make me very angry and sad! God bless you all!
fredo777
@Aaron: Speaking of caught…making a fake name to “win” an online blog argument? Tsk tsk.
irrate
@fredo777: If anyone was caught, that would be you.
Aaron
@Irrate: I am actually your alter ego. We are merely talking to each other.
terrwill
@fredo777: Yep, kid, you got owned!
josh
@fredo777: Just follow your own advice and f*** off already!
fredo777
@terrwill: if you believe that, you’re more delusional than this random crazy is.
terrwill
@fredo777: Anyone who demands to bel oved on his blog, well, I suggest you find a good therapist.
Irrate
@Aaron: Yes, he was a wonderful man! Yes he played with fire and he payed the price, but oh well, he enjoyed what he did! That is is choice! We all make mistakes that we have to pay the price for! Yes, I drove to NY to see him on several occasions! The only bullshit that you have on your shoes, is the bullshit that you create yourself! I will now wash my hands of this site, and you, and I will go on with my life remembering Chad for the GREAT PERSON HE WAS!!!!!!!!
Mark S. King
Are we so bored with HIV prevention messages that risking infection has become entertainment? Read this: http://marksking.com/my-fabulous-disease/did-the-bareback-time-machine-kill-chad-noel/
CondeNasty
I must say after reading this, like so many things in our community, the reactions here seem to be breaking down by age group. It is sickening to have the younger gays call older ones trolls or boring just for extolling very hard learned truths. In the age of overparenting younger gays (people) need to realize that there isn’t a time out and then a do-over. You don’t get a trophy just for showing-up. When I became sexually active in the early 90’s I remembered a simple safer-sex maxim…. “If you opt to bareback, you must assume that your partner is infected.” This may not always be the case, but risky is risky. You play with fire and you can be consumed by the flames… This is not a judgement just a stark unforgiving reality.
SSCHIEFRSHA
“the reactions here seem to be breaking down by age group. It is sickening to have the younger gays call older ones trolls or boring just for extolling very hard learned truths.”
Indeed, but as can be attested by moi, you do not need to be 50+ to spot a red flag when life waves one at you. I’m 25 and I have been—as you can see from my above statements—rebuked for “extolling very hard learned truths.” They attempt to placate the spirit of boy with posthumous sentimental nonsense! I was unflinchingly steadfast in both argument and position of course.
fredo777
@SSCHIEFRSHA: Wow. Congratulations on being “steadfast in both argument and position” but you still fail to realize the whole point of the opposition in this argument. It’s not so much a matter of how he died, but having simple human compassion for another human being’s death.
What’s more, did anyone give absolute proof that the way he contracted HIV in the first place was through bareback sex? Or was that just an assumption to validate your finger-pointing? But, by all means, stick your chest out because you were “right”. After all, that’s what’s really important in this discussion.
condenasty
@Fredo777
I understand your indignation but lets get serious. I seriously doubt he became infected due to a needle stick while volunteering giving immunizations to the poor. It is not a measure of being right but more of being tired of these tragic cases being glorified when the dirty ends play out. Yes it is sad and tragic that a young life was extinguished but he led a reckless life of bareback porn and drugs. One of his “so called” friends posted here to say his life was “crazy…to say the least.” It is a cautionary tale at best.
It is like when my alcoholic pill popping sister-in-law finally had a car accident after years of “high” driving. She caved in her face and has a broken body. We feel bad for her, but quietly we all took the same thing away from the tragedy… “What did she think was eventually going to happen?” I think that is where the anger comes in, in that Mr. Noel’s death was totally avoidable. Whether the drugs or the aids got him it was all avoidable….and that is what is truly sad.
fredo777
@condenasty: i don’t recall saying anything about him giving immunizations to the poor but it would be stupid to think that it’s only possible to contract HIV by being “irresponsible” or “reckless” by having bareback sex. even if he did, though, the point that we should practice safe sex has already been driven home ad nauseum. that doesn’t make it any less revolting to basically say “good riddance” out of some sense of superiority.
condenasty
@Fredo777
Again you need to cut the hysterics. I never said good riddance, I acknowledged the overall sadness of the situation and tried to temper my comments. You can make all the excuses you want, but it is very extremely likely that he contacted HIV though risky behavior, (like my poz friends) through risky sex or drug use (or both concurrently). So stop turning this into a Jane Austen novel. It is sad, but a cautionary tale and a reality check.
fredo777
@condenasty: I never claimed that you personally said “good riddance”, but then again I wasn’t talking to you directly when you chose to reply to my comment. There were some who said as much or worse, which was my entire point.
terrwill
@fredo777: Oh shut up you ignorant little drama-queen!!!
terrwill
@SSCHIEFRSHA: Finally, someone calls this for what it really is! Thank you!
terrwill
@fredo777: Ignorant, stupid little brat!
Cassandra
CHIEFSSRSHA/SSCHIEFRSHA
It is clear that you are projecting an extraordinary rage about either your own life, or the life of someone close to you, onto Chad.
My guess is that you have sero-converted because of consciously irresponsible behavior that you reveled in at the time, but now regret. Unable to face responsibility of your behavior, you are here lashing out at someone you don’t know.
What gave you away was the incredible vehemence and malice in your posts – orders of magnitude greater than any rational person would feel over the “mistakes” in the life of a stranger, but completely in character for someone furious at himself or a loved one.
Every one who is blaming Chad needs to remember one simple fact – condoms are not perfect. It is still possible to use a condom every time, and become infected through microscopic tears or holes.
B
No. 153 · Cassandra wrote, “It is still possible to use a condom every time, and become infected through microscopic tears or holes.”
That statement is probably factually wrong. It is true that condoms are not 100% reliable, whether due to improper use, one that slips off, or one that completely breaks. Microscopic holes, however, do not necessarily lead to HIV infections – the virus is in bodily fluids and surface tension will do a reasonable job of preventing the fluids from flowing through a microscopic hole.
Many people have rain gear that is full of microscopic holes yet keeps them dry. It became commercially available in the late 1970s (Goretex).
Also, you don’t need 100% reliability to kill of a disease. The original polio vaccine, for example, was not 100% effective, but it was good enough to stop that epidemic. If the average number of people an infected individual infects drops below a critical value, the disease dies out.
I would agree, however, that people should refrain from criticizing Chad, if only out of respect for any of his friends who are reading this thread.
Matt Spaid
@B: “I would agree, however, that people should refrain from criticizing Chad, if only out of respect for any of his friends who are reading this thread.”
Thank you for that.
::Hops up on Soap Box::
Chad and I were best friends for 8 years so, yes, his friends are reading this thread.
This story has now passed 150 comments. One thing I do know is that if Chad were still here, he would absolutely LOVE the attention he was getting – even when its because of irresponsible websites with ‘bloggers’ who do no due diligence and then fabricate – then post – irresponsible articles like this one [scroll up to the top of the page]. As Chad’s Momma Betts would say, “They got alotta NERVE. A Whole Lotta N E R V E.”
That said, I have to be honest, I have no idea what the hell most of you are even talking about for the most part – I keep getting lost in the pretentiousness – I do know it certainly has nothing to do with Chad Noel and his passing.
Maybe I wasn’t clear in my first post and this I do apologize. I was dealing with one of the hardest things I’ve ever had to deal with before in my life; my best friend had just died and that was the best I could do given the circumstances. I’ll try and explain this again:
Chad did NOT die from HIV/AIDS and/or any complications thereof.
Chad was HIV+ but was healthy for the most part – his T cell count was good his viral load was low.
Chad died from a drug overdose.
Not that there’s any pride in either – but a person’s cause of death is not an OPINION. It’s fact. Chad did in fact die from a terrible disease that has spiraled out of control in our community – drug abuse – and we need to create awareness, discuss it, and figure out how we can save special people like Chad Eli Noel from leaving us so early.
We also need to promote safe sex and HIV prevention. Because of Chad there has been so much discussion on HIV/AIDS- and many sharing stories and voicing their perspectives regarding it. This should definitely continue and is it equally important. Just understand that it was not HIV/AIDS that is ultimately reason why I’m sitting here – empty – missing so much – the best friend I’ve ever had.
::Steps off Soap Box::
SSCHIEFRSHA
@Cassandra: Such certainties he proclaims! Perhaps you should carry out a Wiki-bios entry on my behalf. You exhibit an intricate knowledge of my life even more than myself. And how did you deduce all that, pray? In short, it’s a well-led life absent of Freudian projections. What you read as “vehemence and malice”, I read as the awful, eternal truth. “Truthfulness is the main element of character”, Brian Tracy once remarked, one which you do not possess, I’m afraid.
B
No. 155 · Matt Spaid wrote, “Thank you for that.”
… just to add a bit of an explanation, the reason I posted a correction to Cassandra’s microscopic tear statement is that it was one that a large, very wealthy, anti-gay organization, the Roman Catholic Church, had pushed, as in Cardinal Alfonso Lopez Trujillo’s factually wrong statements pushed in 2003 and reported by the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/3845011.stm .
Trujillo misrepresented the work of a researcher, whose response as reported in the BBC very politely called Trujillo an idiot (obviously not using those words), but with the church’s financial resources, the misinformation apparently has spread – Trujillo or some other Vatican document even called the use of a condom equivalent to “Russian Roulette,” possibly giving people the dangerously false impression that condoms don’t do anything useful.
Once, injected into the Internet, misinformation tends to take on a life of its own and is very hard to stamp out.
Keith
“Oh, they were around long before HIV, but no one used them in the gay community in the pre-HIV era”.
Bitch, and your point IS?
Keith
“Such certainties he proclaims”
You wouldn’t know anything doing that, right? Read the fucking post above you, you dumb ass possum that thinks he knows it all.
Brandon
“Also, you don’t need 100% reliability to kill of a disease.
Humans have been successful at eliminating how many diseases over the course of history – a whopping one. And that evidently required a vaccine at the very least. Quarantining also played a role. Despite the blind faith of those believing a condom to be equal to any the tools used in the past epidemic, and by extension, arrogantly attacking anyone perceived to be sabotaging “the cure” (like the vermin coming here to go “see Chad, if you just listened”, with no real knowledge of all the details mind you), there is no proof that it has the same power. Saying it’s less than 100%, is only half of the story. It’s less than that even with “correct and absolutely consistent” use. What is it without it? And there’s of course, what if people don’t want to use it at all, which to be fair, like it not, says as much about their effectiveness as the population’s willingness to abstain, says about how well abstinence “works”.
Brandon
“Nobody used condoms for HIV prevention in the pre-HIV days. Duh!
Oh I forgot how chlamydia, gonorrhea, herpes, syphilis, etc were non-existent too. Nice try, but your strawman has fallen apart.
SSCHIEFRSHA
@Keith: It’s a tremendous social faux pas to miss such a clear as a bell sarcastic statement. Had you read on, you might have grasped its intended reading. I will however ignore your name-calling. Some just cannot help but abase themselves for the faintest of reasons. By your leave Mr. Keith.
Aaron
@Keith: Well if you have to be told what the point is, then you are even dumber than I thought you were!
terrwill
@Matt Spaid: He died of a drug overdose, eh? Well that just makes everything so much better, doesn’t it? So now he was a drug addict? Some “best friend” he was! What a role model! A drug addict who had unsafe sex. Yep, he was a prize alright! And isn’t it funny how many weirdos come crawling out to claim they were his “best friend”?
Kelsey
Lots to say after someone is gone. So did anyone know my brother? I’m sure if the shoe was on the other foot no one would have made the same choices in life! Do any of you pukes know about his life? Don’t judge my brother because you know NOTHING about his life and what kind of life he lived. All you know is what is in print!
Kelsey
@Matt Spaid: Spaid not only friends are reading this now. Family as well, I am feelilng the emptyness that Chad Eli’s death has left. I think this was very well put and appriciate you standin up for him. Chad’s choices in life came from his early childhood and for people to pass judgement without knowing anything about him REALLY pisses me off. I hope that we can raise awareness about these issues. Chad led a very sheltered life and these issues were never talked about until it was to late.
Irrate
@Kelsey: I was one of Chad’s close friends during our school years, hell he broke up with me to tell me that he was gay, and we still remained very good friends. I am very sorry for your loss! I am outraged by all of the terrible, hateful, and untrue statements being posted on this site! Chad was loved by many! I hope you don’t take to heart what is being said by these nasty people on here! Take care, and your family will be in prayers for years to come!
Irrate
@Matt Spaid: I just wanted to let you know that Chad talked about you all the time when he and I spoke! He loved you very much, and as a friend of Chad’s I thank you for being one of the few to stick up for him! He will be missed so terribly much! Again, thank you!
Brandon
Aaron, this is the problem with creating strawmen out of others’ comments. You end confusing yourself. You must think everyone is as imbecilic as you if you think they can’t simply go back and confirm what you said.
Aaron: “Very, very few gay guys wore condoms”
Aaron: “Nobody used condoms for HIV prevention in the pre-HIV days”
Aaron: “Condoms were not used. Period! That was my point”.
Wonderful. I get both a contradiction AND a strawman.
I’ve no doubt that you were doing things waaaay before I was born because your senility reflects someone that is very tired.
Brandon
Terrwill, the only weirdos are you and this over-the-top “Aaron” character. Either you decided to copy the handle of someone who already posted in this thread earlier or you have dissociative disorder because the comments from the earlier “Terrwill” do not match the latest ones.
sarah
@ Matt Spaid – i personally think that people who actually knew chad should write a blog that clears up the story. its horrible that he is being slandered in this way via comments on a story that may or may not even be true. this poor young kid is dead, and people are talking shit about him because of poor decisions he made. is it me, or is that just incredibly fucked up?
you guys talk as if you have made no mistakes in your life, which i would bet my life that none of you have managed to do. we all make mistakes. we should not be judged by them in life or death.
anyway, have seen a few blogs that state that this kid died from HIV complications when that clearly is not true. a few people have posted comments on these said blogs saying that they were close friends of his and that the actual cause of death was a drug overdose… and that he didn’t even get HIV until after his porn days, which would imply that it happened within the past 4 years. people should get their facts straight before posting all over the internet.
sarah
@Matt Spaid: – i personally think that people who actually knew chad should write a blog that clears up the story. its horrible that he is being slandered in this way via comments on a story that may or may not even be true. this poor young kid is dead, and people are talking shit about him because of poor decisions he made. is it me, or is that just incredibly fucked up?
you guys talk as if you have made no mistakes in your life, which i would bet my life that none of you have managed to do. we all make mistakes. we should not be judged by them in life or death.
anyway, have seen a few blogs that state that he passed away from HIV complications when that clearly is not true. a few people have posted comments on these said blogs saying that they were close friends of his and that the actual cause of death was a drug overdose… and that he didn’t even get HIV until after his porn days, which would imply that it happened within the past 4 years. people should get their facts straight before posting all over the internet.
also matt, i am very sorry for your loss. i can’t even imagine how difficult this is for you.
jj
So sad :-(. rest in peace. fortunately it looks like Brent Corrigan has learned his lesson. Ironically he just released a safe sex condom PSA:
http://www.advocate.com/Health_and_Fitness/Love_and_Sex/Brent_Corrigan_Bags_It_Up_for_Safe_Sex_Education/
Gez
Um, okay… so you are saying that Brent Corrigan “learned his lesson” and that Chad Noel did not? Chad’s last bareback video was shot in early 2005, and his last porn videos (FYI – a condom scene in one video, and a solo J/O scene in another) were shot in late 2005 and very early 2006. “Brent” has continued appearing in porn movies into the present. Yes, “Brent” runs through condoms-a-plenty now (at least on video), but he is still making porn. Chad made some bad choices, and his death from a drug overdose clearly attests to that, but he actually did “learn his lesson” and left porn, which he clearly recognized as bad news.
Scott
I cannot believe the people on here criticizing this poor boy… yes, he made mistakes in the eyes of society, but he has paid with his life and who are we to sit and judge? I find it absolutely sickening… this was someone’s CHILD.. someone’s BROTHER.. someone’s FRIEND… someone’s GRANDSON.. etc… we don’t know much about him at all personally and we are sitting behind a computer screen taking this young boy to task for his choices.. he didn’t ask for your condolences.. poor Chad just died.. I don’t know him at all and I was saddened for days just thinking about this.. I have HIV so I guess I can understand the grief that comes along with it more than some.. but good lord please stop saying such horrid things about him..
Rest in Peace, Chad. I didn’t know you, but I feel like I did.
Casper
I saw Chad in a scene from Hotstuds a cupple of years ago, i almost feel in love with him he wass sooo *Prety* and seemed to be a very sweet person..Yes i didnt know him in real life, but i sure would love to have, i am sad to hear he died…..
Rest In Peace Chad Noel.
From Casper In Denmark.
Philip
@Aaron: wow. you’re judgementalism comes from a place of complete ignorance & privilege. Good for you that you’ve done everything the way you’re supposed to, if indeed you have. you’re posting certainly suggests that. I hope that you never make mistakes, or have to deal with problems that get the better of you. you are either extremely young or extremely out of touch. but here’s a gift to you. no matter what happens to you, there were good reasons for it and i for one will still catch you when you fall, even if you don’t deserve any mercy. the one with all the gold stars doesn’t get anything more at the end then those that didn’t get any. it’s too bad you place such an emphasis on your status as better than others. if, and WHEN you fall, i will not judge you harshly the way you have done so here to someone you didn’t even FUCKING know.
Paul F
From the comments of those who actualy knew this young man, his loss was a tragic waste of potential. It sounds like he could have been myself except for the HIV and line of work. To make others around oneself feel better and lift up thier lives when they are down is a whole lot more important than HOW he died. I wish I could have known him while he was alive. Perhaps I could have done for him what he did for those around him and lifted him from the depression that caused him to O.D. May I offer my condolences to his friends and family in this time of grief. He will live on in your hearts and memories as long as you hold him there and the pain will slowly pass. I know it’s a poor trade for having him there with you alive, but to repeat the phrase, it WILL get better in time. Oh, and for the REST of you, Christ on a crutch what a bunch of judgemental queens! The amount of callous dissing for the assumed cause of his death implied by the story is disgusting on the same level of Phred Felps funeral behaviour. We rightfuly call it out when the churches do it to us, but when we do it to ourselves it’s just A.O. f-ing K. I never saw any of his films and I’m 54 years old with Crohns diesease so I know about having a nasty painful uncurable illness and the depression it can give oneself. If it wasn’t for my “hubby” being here for me, I probably would have offed myself a long time ago with a drug over dose, it’s a lot less “messy”, except for the survivors left behind.
Ogre Magi
He was a beautiful young man. What a tragic loss!
Eric
@JoeyB: I agree. Brett Corrigan is the epit of bad luck.
Just a dude
I grew up with Chad. went to elementary school and junior high with him. Chad was a cool dude. He will be missed for sure
jake
@B: @Aaron:
condomes are only 93% effective even when used properly. If there is enough fluid getting through to make one pregnant then there is enough fluid to spread STD/STI’s
jake
@B: @Aaron:
condoms are only 93% effective even when used properly. If there is enough fluid getting through to make one pregnant then there is enough fluid to spread STD/STI’s
Mike
Lol so funny he deserved it . If u bb u r goo a due just like that . I do not feel sry
crowebobby
Being thrown out your home for being gay seems to be the most tragic circumstance today’s gays can imagine . . . and believe me I know how tragic it can be. But I knew a kid back in the 50’s whose mother used to wake him when he was six years old and make him go out into the hallway and sit on the stairs while she turned tricks. I knew another one whose mother used to let the landlord fuck him for the rent when he was ten years old. (Both were pre-AIDS, but there’s no doubt these things still happen.) Combine those kinds of lives with low IQ’s, which one has no control over, and can you really demand the same levels of reasoning that those of us who, at the very least, are intelligent enough to read this article and comment on it are capable of. (By the way, neither of the guys I’ve mentioned were particularly dumb, but they were both pretty much willing to fuck anybody, anytime, for any reason.) Ya, you know it’s dumb to let this guy fuck you without a rubber, but “the guy’s been tested and he’s clean”; “you have to die of something”; “life is a giant turd and every day you have to take another big bite out of it, so what’s the difference”; and “by time you die you’ll probably be so old (like 30!) that you won’t want to live anyway.” I don’t know this kid’s story, maybe he had an ideal life and just didn’t give a shit, but I know we don’t all have the same decision-making capabilities and it’s sad for anyone to die at 25.