Funny thing, but one Mark Cahill, fundamentalist Christian witness gay pride marches, just posted the same comment here: http://irregulartimes.com/inde.....ent-563429. You just happened to think that same one up?

Will Queerty admins please look into the sock puppet trolling here? It’s pretty apparent from choice of vocabulary alone that there more names posting on this thread than there are actual people — and the fundamentalist video-evangelist Mark Cahill, at the very least, is bearing false witness about the facts and his intent.

I am NOT saying that criticizing the National Equality March on this thread is involved in fundamentalist anti-gay skullduggery. But I AM saying that a quick IP check will probably show that “Mark Cahill” is fronting more than one of these characters.

I think the March is a good idea. I think the mystery surrounding this event is disconcerting. What ever happened to being open and transparent? Who is in charge of this event?

Tell us.

This Cleve Jones (sloppy management) March idea never made sense. I would like to add my name to the list of people curious about where the money has been spent. Tell us Cleve and Lance. It is important.

(If there were a decent turnout expected, and if I had any money, I’d go for the fun of it. But there won’t be and I don’t, and besides, fun isn’t supposed to be the point)

We Demand Accounting.

Great response!

You are a phony! You are exposed! You continue the lies! Queerty needs to step up to the plate!

Nobody needs to go to Washington DC where they WON’T be noticed, or heard or even effective.

You seem like you probably work for the deal – do you know?

I think enough people know the March isn’t happening (I happen to know first hand) and you must be one of the hopefuls.

The whole idea didn’t make sense. Cleve Jones not releasing any financial information didn’t make any sense. These goofy outbursts by so-called “supporters.” The LIE to the media that other groups had endorsed the event.

This whole charade is to raise money. Now, tell us how much money has been raised and how is it being spent? That’s simple to do.

What is being created with this march is truly one of a kind – and, in my humble opinion, it’s brilliant:

By organizing and motivating people in every single Congressional District we can ensure that local lobbying is taking place everywhere… not just in California and New England. Everywhere.

History has taught us that we will never win our civil liberties on a state by state basis – in fact, no minority ever has. We need to start demanding federal protection… but nationwide local lobbying is the most effective way to get it.

It is time to motivate people. It is time to create leaders. We must capitalize on the passion of the generation while we have it. And that’s why “now” is the only time we have.

Queerty has a tendency to demonize our leadership – what we as a community do not seem to understand is that we are cutting ourselves off at the knees.

Have some faith. Have some respect. And stop asking how we can get dramatic media… start asking “how can we help”?

We have our equality to achieve, after all.

Who is Mark Cahill? A man who has made it his business to “witness” at gay rights demonstrations, declaring that there is only “one side… God’s side.” He is involved with groups like Operation Save America that are trying to shove fundamentalist Christianity into public schools. Mark Cahill’s mission is to transform this country into a place where people who don’t share his values are shut down and shut out.

And now Mark Cahill’s fervent intolerance has taken him so far that he’s decided to violate the Ten Commandments, bearing false witness, outright lying in order to keep people from attending a political demonstration he doesn’t agree with.

Are you going to stand with Mark Cahill? Are you going to let people like Mark Cahill speak for you while you slouch off at the side in silence? The more people like Mark Cahill tries to shut Americans down, the more inclined I am to head to Washington, DC on October 11 and speak up.

Check it out at http://irregulartimes.com/inde.....the-snipe/

If you really want to March, call Cleve and asked about the accounting. He may have raised $200,000 by now and nobody seems to know where the money went.

Iraq LGBT raised a lot less and had international scrutiny regarding their use of funds. They recently shared the accounting (and some explanations)and I think they’ll do fine now.

Self-appointed “leader” of the March – Cleve Jones, may mean salaries and expenses for him and his friends. We don’t know if he refuses to provide the information. The longer he waits, the closer it gets to a full scale investigation.

Encourage Cleve to turn over the budget/accounting NOW.

A STAND FOR EQUALITY DOESN’T NEED ORGANIZATIONS SUPPORTING IT AS MUCH AS THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO MARCH AND ARE GOING TO MARCH.
WON’T YOU LOOK SILLY WHEN THE MARCH GOES ON AND NO ONE TALKS ABOUT YOU OR YOUR ORGANIZATION SUPPORT?

WE DON’T NEED PESSIMISTS WE NEED ACTIVISTS.

We both know it’s not a rumor. Tell the truth and STOP raising money.

I am not sure where this rumor is coming from, but I assure you that it is untrue. We will be marching in Washington, DC in October and we would love to have all of you there with us, standing up & fighting for your rights.

Trooper: If the event is STILL on, please post an accounting of the money raised so far for everyone to see. That shouldn’t take you long.

I’m involved in some of the planning and logistics for the National Equality March. After reading similar comments from the same two or three posters throughout this website over the past month, I see that there is a need to reassure readers here that the event is still happening. I’m not sure why people are commenting that it’s been canceled, but it most assuredly has not.

I know we have folks who disagree with the concept, but please stop spreading this incorrect information. There was indeed an event called the National March for Equality that had been in the planning stages for April of 2010. We had no knowledge of their plans when the Oct 11, 2009 march was announced and once we contacted them to discuss the potential conflict, they decided to cancel their event and show support for ours. Perhaps this is what is confusing people…or perhaps people just don’t agree with the march and are doing whatever they can to discredit it.

Either way, if you need further information, please visit http://www.nationalequalitymarch.com to see what we’ve been doing in preparation for the event, research the newly formed Equality Across America to learn about how we plan to utilize the momentum from the march, or join our facebook page (search National Equality March) and follow us on Twitter. http://twitter.com/NtlEqMarch

See you in DC in October!

At least some people are.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....mb-as-hell

Bah. Point taken, I guess. I’d like to hear it from someone involved with the “march”, however, before I fully believe it.

Broken promises and dashed hopes and dreams?

Cleve knows that when he finally admits the National Equality March is

(a) postponed,
(b) cancelled,
(c) out-of-business or
(d) under investigation,

he will no longer be able to collect any money.

He should have called the thing off sooner. Now, lying about “support” just makes him look even worse. People who donated should be asking for an accounting AND a refund. Nobody seems to know what Cleve’s salary or expenses are or why he suggested the event in the first place. +$150,000 donated to Cleve (so far) may answer some of those questions.

I heard that before and then I got a tweet from NtlEqMarch saying “In October we’ll march.”

It is bad enough to take money from well-intentioned people for an idea with little to no merit, but lying about the status of your project? This is why Gay Inc. and our tattered “movement” is so fucked up – “charity pimps,” like Cleve.

Give the money back.

Getreal lives in the fantasy land of “One by one. Heart by heart.”

Why does former Mayor LaGuardia come to mind, I wonder?

LITTLE TIN BOX
“Fiorello”

(“Your Witness”)
Mr. X, may we ask you a question?
It’s amazing, is it not?
That the City pays you slightly less than fifty bucks a week
Yet you purchased a private yacht

(Witness replies)
I am positive Your Honor must be joking
Any working man can do what I have done
For a month or two I simply gave up smoking
And I put my extra pennies, one by one,

Into… a…
Little tin box, a little tin box
That a little tin key unlocks
There is nothing unorthodox
About a little tin box (about a little tin box, about a little tin box)
In a little tin box, a little tin box
That a little tin key unlocks
There is honor and purity
Lots of security
In a little tin box

Equality is much more important that Civil Rights. If we had equality we would actually WIN votes about our Rights. We are “hated” more than we are “oppressed.” We have to end the reason people hate us – Religion. That is the only thing that will lead to equality. We MUST put Equality BEFORE Religion.

No, but there were quite a few state ballot initiative for women’s suffrage in the late 19th and the early 20th century and womwn did win a few of them.

The National Equality March never had a strategy that would compel people from around the US to participate. A website doesn’t make an Event.

Now, we’ve wasted $150,000 of gay-resources on this Parade… uhm … Charade.

I beg to differ with the adddtude of lazy Americans who set aside their freedom of speach, freedom of assembly rights
when it has throuout history shown to often be the only way to turn a deaf governments ears to the people’s voice.
If you weren’t around then, you can watch any documentary about it; It was the massive demonstrations that brought an end the illicit war in Vietnam. 25 million people around the world demonstrated against the Iraq War, which despite the U.S.’s indifference, which had they listened would have stopped a human crime of unequaled dimensions from occuring. Demonstration have occured at nearly all important event in history in which a governmet has done a wrong.

People may not be seeing it but the strenght of the fanatic element is growing to dangerous proportions. We may end up having top pickup guns to defendourselves if the crazies
grow in power. I saw a reliable documentary in which it ewas stated that 1/3 the membership of both legislative houses are %100 approved by the Family Values Council(?)
the most extremeof the organizatiom=n sopposing us totally.

Only cowardice or unconcern should stop people from demonstrating theitr views.

This Albert (above ) shows the simple ignorance regarding gay concerns.that can stop peope from taking a hand in things.

Please tell me in what year African-Americans would have had their civil rights in the South if they had tried to get their civil rights via a public vote.

In my book, putting money towards ballot initiatives that put our fundamental civil rights to a public vote is ultimately a waste of resources, when fundamental civil rights should NEVER be put to a public vote, and instead we should be fighting for our civil rights on a FEDERAL level. Look at the African-American Civil Rights movement – did they EVER VOTE on their civil rights? No, they fought for their civil rights in WASHINGTON D.C., and THEY GOT THEM, and their civil rights are unwavering because they were FEDERAL rights that they got.

If you ask me, people who argue about voting on our civil rights are being way too defensive, and we should go on the offensive. You never ASK for your rights from the people. You FIGHT and TAKE your civil rights from the government!

I’m one of the old-timers who was around at the time of Stonewall
and who knew Harvey personally. And yes, I spent a night in a cold jail cell at the “Tombs” in NYC, just for being on West Street after 11pm one summer evening back in the mid-60s.

By simply being there, I and 300 of my peers had violated the “Waterfront Act”, an old law from back during WWII that had never been taken off the books. We were all arrested in a drag-net sting operation that looked like something out of a war movie. I never saw so many flashing lights and guns in one place in my entire life.

Ever since reading Albert’s post, I have been pissed and thinking about how to address his post. I am glad that I waited, because you did a much finer job of it than I ever could have. But, the best part, is that it is coming from one of his peers, and not some “old Queen” whom he would surely bitch out had I said a word.

Thank you for the consciousness awakening. I truly hope that it has some effect on Albert and others like him.