Comments on: Clinton, Schumer Under Fire For Gay Marriage Stance http://www.queerty.com/clinton-schumer-under-fire-for-gay-marriage-stance-20080822/ Free of an agenda. Except that gay one. Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:08:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Brian Miller http://www.queerty.com/clinton-schumer-under-fire-for-gay-marriage-stance-20080822/#comment-75071 Brian Miller Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:13:46 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=26334#comment-75071 They're all more the same than they are different, Lawrence. Primary drama aside, not a single major party politician in the Senate is in favor of basic equal treatment under the law. Which is why I find gay partisan Democrats so amusing. Their whole argument is "support this homophobe because he/she isn't as bad as the Republican." That's like me inviting you to receive four hard kicks in the groin with a steel-toed boot because it's less bad than being shot in the head. They’re all more the same than they are different, Lawrence. Primary drama aside, not a single major party politician in the Senate is in favor of basic equal treatment under the law.

Which is why I find gay partisan Democrats so amusing. Their whole argument is “support this homophobe because he/she isn’t as bad as the Republican.”

That’s like me inviting you to receive four hard kicks in the groin with a steel-toed boot because it’s less bad than being shot in the head.

]]> By: Lawrence http://www.queerty.com/clinton-schumer-under-fire-for-gay-marriage-stance-20080822/#comment-75036 Lawrence Sun, 24 Aug 2008 04:44:10 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=26334#comment-75036 The person to be angry with is Barack Obama who uses his so-called Christianity to call into question our right to marry. Hillary never did that and never will. Give me a break. The person to be angry with is Barack Obama who uses his so-called Christianity to call into question our right to marry.

Hillary never did that and never will.

Give me a break.

]]> By: Brian Miller http://www.queerty.com/clinton-schumer-under-fire-for-gay-marriage-stance-20080822/#comment-74992 Brian Miller Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:57:18 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=26334#comment-74992 We gay people get what we deserve. We cannot claim to be in favor of real equality and dignity for ourselves when so many among us are willing to accept second-class status generously handed down by powerful Republicrats like Clinton and Schumer. We gay people get what we deserve. We cannot claim to be in favor of real equality and dignity for ourselves when so many among us are willing to accept second-class status generously handed down by powerful Republicrats like Clinton and Schumer.

]]> By: seitan-on-a-stick http://www.queerty.com/clinton-schumer-under-fire-for-gay-marriage-stance-20080822/#comment-74960 seitan-on-a-stick Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:15:57 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=26334#comment-74960 There's always the Green Party! A Gay-inclusive, pro Gay Marriage Platform. New York needs to throw power to a third party as the Democrats seize power and become Republicans on core Democratic values (of which Gay Marriage is not one!) This is NOT Nader's Green Party! There’s always the Green Party! A Gay-inclusive, pro Gay Marriage Platform. New York needs to throw power to a third party as the Democrats seize power and become Republicans on core Democratic values (of which Gay Marriage is not one!) This is NOT Nader’s Green Party!

]]> By: Xylitol http://www.queerty.com/clinton-schumer-under-fire-for-gay-marriage-stance-20080822/#comment-74867 Xylitol Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:35:01 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=26334#comment-74867 Clinton is under more pressure from New York's LGBTs since she's an N.Y. senator (Obama isn't). New York's governor is unapologetically for marriage equality, and the state assembly even passed a marriage equality bill. Under those circumstances, it’s much harder to give Clinton and Schumer a free pass--particularly Schumer since he isn't on the national stage, where a pro-gay marriage stance would most definitely cost you an election. PS: Hell's kitchen guy: Why do you say Roskoff is trying to make some power grab? Aren't activists supposed to rally the troops and push buttons? Clinton is under more pressure from New York’s LGBTs since she’s an N.Y. senator (Obama isn’t).

New York’s governor is unapologetically for marriage equality, and the state assembly even passed a marriage equality bill. Under those circumstances, it’s much harder to give Clinton and Schumer a free pass–particularly Schumer since he isn’t on the national stage, where a pro-gay marriage stance would most definitely cost you an election.

PS: Hell’s kitchen guy: Why do you say Roskoff is trying to make some power grab? Aren’t activists supposed to rally the troops and push buttons?

]]> By: hell's kitchen guy http://www.queerty.com/clinton-schumer-under-fire-for-gay-marriage-stance-20080822/#comment-74861 hell's kitchen guy Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:58:36 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=26334#comment-74861 Roskoff's been beating this drum ever since he founded a poltiical club of one and has been trying to parlay it to power. Roskoff’s been beating this drum ever since he founded a poltiical club of one and has been trying to parlay it to power.

]]> By: CitizenGeek http://www.queerty.com/clinton-schumer-under-fire-for-gay-marriage-stance-20080822/#comment-74852 CitizenGeek Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:37:30 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=26334#comment-74852 The gays will never abandon Hillary. Never. There is a weird hypocrisy with these gays, though, because so many people bemoan Obama's non-support for marriage but when Clinton was running, her stance on marriage (which is INDENTICAL to Obama's) was never brought up .... The gays will never abandon Hillary. Never. There is a weird hypocrisy with these gays, though, because so many people bemoan Obama’s non-support for marriage but when Clinton was running, her stance on marriage (which is INDENTICAL to Obama’s) was never brought up ….

]]> By: emb http://www.queerty.com/clinton-schumer-under-fire-for-gay-marriage-stance-20080822/#comment-74838 emb Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:50:24 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=26334#comment-74838 I know, AKN, it's a hard one, but Yes: Obama is entitled to our support regardless of his failure to support same-sex marriage because the alternative (mccain) is absolutely orders of magnitude worse. Because Obama judicial appointees are more likely to support our rights, and the recognition of our equality, than the neanderthals mccain will appoint. So tough though it may be, yeah: while it's always a tough call, whether to insist on ideological purity in our friends or accept the lesser of two evils, in the current Presidential race it's not even a question of which is "lesser". One is evil. One is not. I know, AKN, it’s a hard one, but Yes: Obama is entitled to our support regardless of his failure to support same-sex marriage because the alternative (mccain) is absolutely orders of magnitude worse. Because Obama judicial appointees are more likely to support our rights, and the recognition of our equality, than the neanderthals mccain will appoint.

So tough though it may be, yeah: while it’s always a tough call, whether to insist on ideological purity in our friends or accept the lesser of two evils, in the current Presidential race it’s not even a question of which is “lesser”. One is evil. One is not.

]]> By: AKN http://www.queerty.com/clinton-schumer-under-fire-for-gay-marriage-stance-20080822/#comment-74816 AKN Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:06:42 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=26334#comment-74816 Um, does he have similarly harsh words for Obama, who also does not believe in our right to marry (only to form some sort of civil union)? Or is he entitled to our support no matter where he stands? Why are activists always ready to slam any democrat who doesn't support full marriage equality EXCEPT Obama? Um, does he have similarly harsh words for Obama, who also does not believe in our right to marry (only to form some sort of civil union)? Or is he entitled to our support no matter where he stands? Why are activists always ready to slam any democrat who doesn’t support full marriage equality EXCEPT Obama?

]]> By: Tony Whitcomb http://www.queerty.com/clinton-schumer-under-fire-for-gay-marriage-stance-20080822/#comment-74806 Tony Whitcomb Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:32:10 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=26334#comment-74806 I think we have to solidify our power and prove that our power is equal if not greater (and more reliable in voter turnout) than the conservative voters. That done, we must be willing to flex our muscle in the primaries to ensure that our candidates are the party's nominee. Unfortunately, in the general election... ya gotta do what ya gotta do... both as a voter and as a candidate. I think we have to solidify our power and prove that our power is equal if not greater (and more reliable in voter turnout) than the conservative voters. That done, we must be willing to flex our muscle in the primaries to ensure that our candidates are the party’s nominee.
Unfortunately, in the general election… ya gotta do what ya gotta do… both as a voter and as a candidate.

]]> By: Tony Whitcomb http://www.queerty.com/clinton-schumer-under-fire-for-gay-marriage-stance-20080822/#comment-74804 Tony Whitcomb Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:27:57 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=26334#comment-74804 Boy, this is a tough one. Do we take an uncompromising stance and force the hands of our allies and near allies running for re-election... and thereby either contribute to their defeat to more conservative opponents or alienate them from supporting us as they can when re-elected? OR... do we provide our support in the face of political expediency and count ourselves lucky that the overtly anti-Gay conservative candidates were defeated and trust that Clinton and Schumer will do the right thing for us when the time comes. They are both followers of what they perceive is public sentiment in order to get votes believing that for us, the alternative is worse. Which it is. Boy, this is a tough one. Do we take an uncompromising stance and force the hands of our allies and near allies running for re-election… and thereby either contribute to their defeat to more conservative opponents or alienate them from supporting us as they can when re-elected? OR… do we provide our support in the face of political expediency and count ourselves lucky that the overtly anti-Gay conservative candidates were defeated and trust that Clinton and Schumer will do the right thing for us when the time comes. They are both followers of what they perceive is public sentiment in order to get votes believing that for us, the alternative is worse. Which it is.

]]> By: emb http://www.queerty.com/clinton-schumer-under-fire-for-gay-marriage-stance-20080822/#comment-74797 emb Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:10:18 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=26334#comment-74797 I like the idea of holding our elected friends' feet to the fire (hell, the rightwing does it, why can't we?). Trouble is, what's our alternative if they call our bluff? Is it better to have a generally friendly, if flawed, ally, or an utterly unsympathetic, aggressively destructive alternative elected because we've taken our marbles and gone home? Maybe it should fall to organizations like HRC (koff koff) to recruit progressive alternatives to moderately friendly incumbents, so our threats have some teeth? I like the idea of holding our elected friends’ feet to the fire (hell, the rightwing does it, why can’t we?). Trouble is, what’s our alternative if they call our bluff? Is it better to have a generally friendly, if flawed, ally, or an utterly unsympathetic, aggressively destructive alternative elected because we’ve taken our marbles and gone home?

Maybe it should fall to organizations like HRC (koff koff) to recruit progressive alternatives to moderately friendly incumbents, so our threats have some teeth?

]]> By: Jason http://www.queerty.com/clinton-schumer-under-fire-for-gay-marriage-stance-20080822/#comment-74795 Jason Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:06:20 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=26334#comment-74795 I'm sure she is not against it, but when she was running for President and perhaps will give it another shot, or maybe even being Obama's potential VP, she has to hold that position, or she will not get elected. Sometimes, it's a matter of getting elected, then making the switch. In order to use the power for good you have to obtain it first. I’m sure she is not against it, but when she was running for President and perhaps will give it another shot, or maybe even being Obama’s potential VP, she has to hold that position, or she will not get elected. Sometimes, it’s a matter of getting elected, then making the switch. In order to use the power for good you have to obtain it first.

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