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CrossFit Won’t Let Transgender Woman Compete In Upcoming Games Because “She Was Born With A Penis”

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By:           Graham Gremore
On:           Mar 6, 2014
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  • 24 Comments
    • vklortho
      vklortho

      If trans women were at such a humongous advantage then you would think they would be dominating the Olympics non-stop. How many medal winners are there that are trans since the IOC allowed them to compete in 2004?

      Mar 6, 2014 at 5:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Thedrdonna
      Thedrdonna

      As someone pointed out elsewhere, I wonder how they feel about trans men competing with the women? Dudes who have been on T for years and years?

      Mar 6, 2014 at 6:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Fitz
      Fitz

      She wasn’t just born with a penis, she was born with testicles.. which made testosterone for the first many years of her life. This allowed her to grow thicker muscles and bones and faster reflexes. Born-women have a right to their competition too. It’s an unfair advantage. There should maybe be another set of competitions which are gender neutral.

      Mar 6, 2014 at 7:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Thedrdonna
      Thedrdonna

      Umm muscles are testosterone dependent, which is why the Olympic committee said that after two years (I think) of hormone therapy it’s all cool. Also, that bone density thing hasn’t bee proven by anyone to have any major effect, and especially in disciplines like weightlifting trying to push male-derived bone masses with female-normal muscles would actually be a disadvantage. Not to mention that most trans women actually have a lower testosterone level than cis women, so their muscles are, on average, weaker.

      Mar 6, 2014 at 7:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Fitz
      Fitz

      You’ve no medical training, I think. The # of muscle cells is dependent on a few things, including genetics and environment and stress. (by environment, they mean the hormone soup around them.. By stress they mean how many times they are taxed to exhaustion). So even a transwoman, or for that mater a man who had to have his testicles removed for other reasons, had that during pre latency and then again during puberty and presumably into early adulthood. In other words.. there is a difference. I’m not anti transperson on this. I just don’t think it’s fair to people who are born women to get pushed out of sports. And reflex and bone density absolutely have been proven. It’s not reasonable. That’s why I think a third competition which doesn’t care about gender might be the only option that doesn’t screw one group over for the sake of pleasing another.

      Mar 6, 2014 at 8:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Fitz
      Fitz

      Above should read #of muscle cells grown during early childhood.

      Mar 6, 2014 at 8:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Thedrdonna
      Thedrdonna

      I haven’t, but it sounds like you haven’t either. Here’s an excerpt of the NCAA’s statement of inclusion for trans athletes: “It is also important to know that any strength and endurance advantages a transgender woman argu- ably may have as a result of her prior testosterone levels dissipate after about one year of estrogen or testos- terone-suppression therapy. According to medical experts on this issue, the assumption that a transgender woman competing on a women’s team would have a competitive advantage outside the range of performance and competitive advantage or disadvantage that already exists among female athletes is not supported by evidence.”

      Mar 6, 2014 at 9:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • balehead
      balehead

      I think it would be cooler if she did compete with the men….

      Mar 6, 2014 at 11:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • bottom72
      bottom72

      You need to educate yourself on the subject Thedrdonna. The olympics educated themselves on the topic and post-op trans athletics can compete.

      Mar 7, 2014 at 6:36 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Fitz
      Fitz

      Yeah, your right. Screw women. Were queer. All we need to care about is gay men and trans people. Let’s keep bio-women where they belong, barefoot and in the kitchen and out of our way. I keep forgetting that being queer means being misogynist. I’ll try to remember next time.

      Mar 7, 2014 at 9:43 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Thedrdonna
      Thedrdonna

      Bottom, perhaps you meant Fitz? He’s the one who’s been hating on trans folks, while I’m pointing out all the myriad ways in which he is wrong.

      Fitz, I have no idea where you got that from. Good job at trying to distract from the topic.

      Mar 7, 2014 at 9:50 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tricky ricky
      tricky ricky

      quite frankly I am sick and tired of the whole transsexual issue. they have absolutely nothing to do with the gay rights movement or gays. they are a whole other kettle of fish.

      Mar 7, 2014 at 10:56 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SoThenWhatHappened
      SoThenWhatHappened

      They’re completely right. Get over it.

      Mar 7, 2014 at 11:08 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TinoTurner
      TinoTurner

      Of course this person has an unfair advantage. Think of all the real women that have put in so much time and energy to compete honestly and then having a trans person who was born a man take that from you? You’d better believe that I’d raise hell if I were those women.

      Mar 7, 2014 at 11:19 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • vklortho
      vklortho

      Can anyone in this thread name a single instance where a trans woman was allowed to compete with cis women on a professional level and completely dominated because of their so-called “advantages”? Name one please! Trans women have been allowed to compete in the olympics since 2004 as long as they have been on HRT for two years and have had SRS and can anyone tell me how many trans women medalists there have been in weight lifting, boxing, running, or any of those other events where you would think there “advantage” would be greatest? Can anyone tell me how many trans women have even competed in the olympics? These are some of the most competitive events in the world so they should dominate everything right?

      Mar 7, 2014 at 1:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • mallorie
      mallorie

      Perhaps, with the same logic, Crossfit should group trans men in the same grouping as the women, because testosterone in trans men’s blood is overlooked as an advantage because genetically, they are XX. Guys, do a bit of research before you spew out intellectual diarrhea. Testosterone is the big issue here, and if she’s post op for 8 years, what testosterone is she still producing? Less than the average for women, for sure.

      Go do your research. There’s this thing called the internet, it is full of amazing facts and details, but also full of ignorant folk, just like on this site. Way to go, privileged cis folk.

      Mar 7, 2014 at 4:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • lanny
      lanny

      Why don’t Transgenders create MTF and FTM Sports Events so they’re competing on an equal playing field?! Why are we seeing more MTF’s competing against biological female athletes now?! There are MAJOR male physical/anatomical features* that NEVER diminish after a MTF Transgender begins Hormone therapy and/or has re-assignment cosmetic surgery! Those physical features gives MTF’s a greater athletic advantage over biological females in sporting competitions.
      *-Males are usually taller with longer legs and arms
      -Males have larger hearts & lungs- Male lung capacity is 30% more than women
      _Males have greater strength, especially in the upper body
      -Males higher levels of testosterone (up to HRT) cause them to produce greater amounts of red blood cells
      -Males have better distance vision and depth perception, and usually better vision in lighted environments
      -Men build muscle easily, have thicker skin, bruise less easily and have a lower threshold of awareness of injuries to their extremities.
      -Males are essentially built for ‘survival’, physical confrontation and use of force. Their joints are well suited for throwing, bending.
      -Male’s skulls are almost always thicker and stronger than a female’s
      -Peak bone density is higher in males bones than in female’s bones
      URGENT- Female Athletes: obtain biological/scientific data & proof of the above so you can get the MTF’s eliminated from competing… you’ve fought too hard to get where you are now just to lose to a ‘female’ that still has male internal and external physical attributes.
      FYI… I’m a Lesbian who thinks MTF athletes are dishonest.

      Mar 7, 2014 at 9:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • lanny
      lanny

      @Fitz: Agreed. See my comments. Female Athletes and Sporting Organizations better do their scientific research and provide scientific evidence fast… otherwise the MTF’s will figure out they can compete and win a large % of the time.

      Mar 7, 2014 at 9:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • lanny
      lanny

      @tricky ricky: agreed! even within my lgbt circles (i’m lesbian) the transgenders want all the attention and extra special treatment from society.

      Mar 7, 2014 at 9:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • lanny
      lanny

      @TinoTurner: yes and it’s time biological women raised hell and got the scientific evidence that shows MTF’s have a greater advantage over biological females – see my list. i find it odd that more MTF’s are starting to surface in female sports now = some don’t disclose their ‘status’ until they’ve been competing and winning… hmmm

      Mar 7, 2014 at 9:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • vklortho
      vklortho

      @lanny: l2endocrinology plz. kthx.

      Mar 7, 2014 at 9:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Thedrdonna
      Thedrdonna

      @vklortho: Hahaha perfect response. Lanny appears to have an even more tenuous grasp of science than whatever bonehead is responding to athlete’s emails at CrossFit.

      Mar 7, 2014 at 10:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • xamthor
      xamthor

      wow… some of you are so ignorant and close minded to Trans- issues… I swear the comment section was taken from TMZ. Educate yourself.

      Mar 8, 2014 at 9:15 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GeriHew
      GeriHew

      I’ve met transwomen who totally pass and transwomen who totally don’t and I’m afraid never will. I don’t know. Maybe issues like this need to be dealt with on a case by case basis.

      Mar 8, 2014 at 10:01 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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