I fail to see how being the world’s most successful drag queen (which she is, if she was born with a penis/vagina/ambiguous regardless) and producing a video where the only person she kisses is a really butch chick is supporting some conservative hegemony… but I guess since there isn’t a good 30 seconds of two dudes sucking face she doesn’t support anything gay.

It’s really more a commentary on the mysogyny inherent in gay men than anything gaga has done.

anyway I think she’s brilliant, keep it up

And like you said. She is a female who says she’s bisexual. Since we’ve established that she doesn’t have a dick after all, who is going to be doing this man-kissing?

It wouldn’t hurt her to throw a gay couple in here or there, but if it doesn’t relate to the song or the video, there’s no reason to expect it.

Why don’t we get behind an actual gay male musician who would have a reason to put two guys kissing in a video, and push for that? John Barrowman’s “What About Us” has a gay male and a straight couple in split screen. I’m sure there are other examples.

The anti-gay pro-lipstick!lez bias isn’t specifically GaGa’s fault, nor does she have the power to rectify it alone. Really, nothing she did would make that much difference either way. Chill, haters. Damn.

I completely agree 100%! These little pop bitches just love letting gay men hear what they want to hear. She is a complete fraud. There is not an ounce of sincerity in that thing’s body. Even her so called playing is empty and lacks any soul. I despise this chick! Oh, and about the lawsuit that just surfaced. I believe every single word her ex-producer is claiming. This chick is an outright fraud and a con-artist!

Well, if she’s truly bisexual, how does that stop her from showing two men kissing?

Visually, two men kissing is more powerful than two females kissing. Certainly, two men kissing conveys an anti-conservative message more effectively than two women.

Keep in mind that the diva Gaga says she loves gay men. Absolutely loves them. She loves gay men but nevertheless refuses to show two men contacting each other in her videos.

She’s got it in her concert but not her videos. She’s obviously not opposed to it per se but she does ban it from her videos. There’s something going on here vis a vis her record company and Lady Gaga herself.

a) Why are women, but not men, allowed to market themselves as “bisexual” in the music industry? I know there are bi men in the music industry but why aren’t they allowed to market themselves as such?

b) Why are female singers allowed to be surrounded by half-naked females but male singers aren’t allowed to be surrounded by half-naked men in their music videos?

b) Why has Lady Gaga consistently refused to show any male-male contact in all her official music videos, in contrast to male-female and female-female?

c) Do you see Lady Gaga as an independent spirit or as a product of her record company? If the answer is “product of record company”, surely there’s a chance that she is being dictated to by the men who run the company.

final score: Gaga: 87 Jason: 1.5

if you dont like gaga dont buy her music or attend her concerts but please dont tell me what i should or shouldnt like. that’s rude.

“Christina Aguilera did it without much fanfare, inserting a passionate male-male kiss in her Beautiful video.”

“No hetero male is going to allow a female to put man-man action in her music videos.”

You do realize that Beautiful was directed by Jonas Akerlund? The same director as for Telephone. Henceforth (yeah, I said it), your argument is stupid.

Anyway, srsly, Lady GaGa doesn’t owe us anything. She isn’t where she is because of gay support. She’s a musician, and her work is popular. Did you expect Madonna to do it. I don’t recall that she ever did, and we’re supposed to be all about her. This is just 2.0
Get over it. Everything doesn’t have to be about us.

There’s more to homosexuality than two guys making out.

And I say again. She doesn’t owe us anything. She never made a deal with us to buy her stuff so she could get rich. She never forced us to do anything. It’s not her fault that us gays ate her shit up (it helped that she was very vocal about her support of the gay community, but AGAIN, she never forced us to do anything).

So SHE DOESN’T OWE US ANYTHING.

How does thinking through this logically make me a sucker?

I have told you I have never been a GaGa fan. But art speaks to me, and I saw the art in this video. I respect her so much more now. Even though you do not see any art in this video, that does NOT make it invalid or incapable of having artistic value.

Get your priorities together, man. The gay community needs more than two men kissing in a music video. We should expect more than two men kissing in a music video. Why should we settle for blatant acts of sexuality to feel like we’re part of pop culture when there’s so much more to our lives than that?

Lady GaGa is not a gay martyr, her music videos should not be the vessels of our cause, and she continues to not owe anybody anything. Yeah, in certain ways, it’s perfectly reasonable for her to owe us something because yeah, gays did step up and help her out. But in harsh reality, she owes us NOTHING.

No, I didn’t say that. I’m simply pointing to Gaga’s hypocrisy.

Look at how Christina Aguilera put a beautiful male-male kiss in her Beautiful video. Christina was never as audible as Lady Gaga on the issue of gay rights yet here we had a video that did more to normalize male-male sensuality than anything before or since.

Lady Gaga needs to take a leaf out of Christina’s book.

I’m not exactly running out to watch Twilight or listen to Taylor Swift’s album, both of which have received their fair share of hype. The song was catchy + I enjoyed it. If you didn’t, don’t listen. Carry on.

human society as a whole is always afraid of what is new and unknown.

They don’t respect us/treat us equally because they think all gay people, ESPECIALLY men, care about is cruising and having sex. And this actually plays more of a justifiable defense in the discrimination of homosexuals than religion does. Lawmakers can’t ban gay marriage because of what the bible says due to separation of church and state; however, they can play off of people’s fear of what will happen if we become an accepted minority. This is where they use their thoughts on our “lifestyle” to pander to people’s fear to get society to vote against us.

The way to gain our acceptance isn’t to get lady gaga to include “male-male sensuality” in her videos because all that does is reaffirm society’s views that all gay men care about is sex.

The way to gain equality is to prove to people that we’re not really any different than they are. We’re people too, the ONLY difference between us is that we just prefer relations/relationships with members of the same gender.

It is people like you, Jason (people who seem to think that our sexuality defines who we are), who will assure that we will never achieve true equality.

So next time i see YOU talking about how “male-male sensuality” is the only way lady gaga can be fair to us, i will flip YOU the middle finger, SIR.

Love to all! <3

If i were a straight male, I wouldn’t get hot and heavy over seeing some barely-recognizable-as-a-woman woman making out with lady gaga. If it were truly pandering to straight men wanting to see two women locking lips, the scene would have been much longer with a much more hetero-attractive woman on the initiating end.

secondly, i agree with everyone who sees this video as a big satire.

i could stand her music, but before this video, i would never admit to being a lady gaga fan. this video was so creative and full of energy that it made me actually respect her as an artist. it made fun of ad-placements, which, to me, added so much more to the video. even if she was using them to fund her video or something like that, she did it in a way that played to what has seemed to be her style. She pokes fun at pop-culture and a lot of societal values that, if you take a step back to look at, are quite absurd in and of themselves, even though we take these things very seriously otherwise.

in my opinion, the ad-placement did not detract, but only added to the video.

Beyonce may not be the best actress, but if anyone hasn’t noticed, Lady GaGa is a great actress while she’s singing; however, when she’s not performing a song, she’s not exactly an oscar-worthy actress, either.

together, I think they performed brilliantly to create the type of atmosphere they were going for. when beyonce said “you’ve been a very bad girl. A very, very bad, bad girl, gaga” and then IMMEDIATELY took a bite of her honey bun, I laughed my ass off literally. it was bad acting, but it was PERFECT! fit the mood of the video very well.

Also, as a gay man, i don’t feel like lady gaga owes me a gay kiss in her music videos just because she supports our cause. We have done a lot for her, but in reality, she doesn’t owe us jack sh*t. It’d be VERY considerate of her to do something for us since we helped her launch her career, but in reality, she doesn’t HAVE to pay us back for anything. Yeah, it’d make her a bitch, but paying us back for our help isn’t a necessity for lady gaga to keep breathing (although, if she told us to go f ourselves there’d be the gay mafia out to get her for sure).

Also, if you feel like man on man action in her videos is the only way lady gaga can be fair to us, you may need to reconsider your values in life.

@ conversation camber, well said. N its just Jason posting as numurous id’s, thinking the more he repeats his petty logic, it would some how make it right.

Lady Gaga isn’t making videos from a female angle. She’s making videos from a female angle which panders to the sleazy straight guy fantasy.

You say that Lady Gaga doesn’t owe anybody anything. Honey, she’s made mansions from gay guys’ monetary devotion. The least she could do would be to put some male-male sensuality in her official music videos.

Just because she’s a woman, it doesn’t mean she can’t do it. As a woman, she seems to have no trouble claiming to be on gay men’s side, so I don’t see why she should have any problem depicting it.

There is no level playing field. Modern society – including the entertainment industry – glamorizes female bisexuality but demonizes male bisexuality. A male version of Lady Gaga would never get signed by the record companies. Repeat, there is no level playing field.

My point is that females like Lady Gaga exploit the double standard. They know full well what they’re doing. Next time Lady Gaga tells us how much she “loves the gays”, I’ll flip my middle finger at her.

I’d never compare whatever the fuck that was to anything Michael Jackson ever did in his life.

If you’re troubled by the lack of apparent male/male action (and to use the word “action” sounds sleazy and self-centered) in her videos, then tell you what…record an album, and make music videos featuring QAF style smooching and groping. Hell, I wonder how many people complaining about the supposed lack of gay male visibility in Gaga’s music videos are supporting gay male artists like Ari Gold, Brian Kent and Rufus Wainwright — whose music and music videos DO speak from a gay male perspective. How many of their songs do you have on your iPods…how many of their videos are on your YouTube play-list…how many radio stations have you called to request that their music be played?

It’s just sounds so silly to me. Gaga is one of the few popular acts out right now who has unabashedly championed the social and political issues of gay people…but you wanna complain because, in the meantime, she (a female) makes music videos from a FEMALE angle? Get fucking real. As soon as someone supports you, you wanna play the cynic and bellyache about them not doing more. And the Madonna cracks are even more ridiculous. Madonna’s gay-friendly stance goes all the way to when she started in the early/mid 80s…when it was NOT cool or socially acceptable for a mainstream act to embrace the gay community…and she probably lost the support of some straight male fans as a result of being such a gay icon.

It’s one thing to argue about double standards…and it’s another to pettily complain when things aren’t done exactly YOUR way.

Hush.

And BTW, I usually can’t stand Gaga…and resent that some of you bozos made me defend her.

My understanding is that the deal with Lady Gaga was that she could use male-female and female-female but not male-male in her music videos, which are considered her prime marketing tool. She could, however, have a little male-male in her stage show, but nothing more than that.

I’m not 100% certain as to the source’s reliability but that’s the information I’m getting.

Unconsumed? LOL. She’s put products in her video. Unconsumed, my foot.

The sooner the gay community wakes up to Lady Phony, the better.

I’m sorry, Wil, but using lipstick lesbians to seduce straights into accepting us gay and bisexual men is pure fraud. Don’t insult the intelligence of the GLBT community with a tacky, titillation-based ethic.

Acceptance of lipstick lesbianism is NOT indicative of acceptance. It’s a phony acceptance based on titillation. The guys who think lipstick lesbians are “hot” generally put “gay-bashing” under “favorite sports”.

Lady Gaga is despicable, basically. She’s effectively avoiding the concept of male-male sensuality in her music videos. This coming from a woman who has exploited gay men in order to make money. Buzz off, Lady Gaga.

Here here! and it’s a little to early in her career to condemn her for not doing “male-male” stuff. It’s a consumers world there and lipstick sells, you gotta trick people into learning/accepting/embracing. Reel them in with the “fashionable lesbians” and then you hit them with the big guns.

I think Bad Romance was better but I had a good time on this ride too. Get over yourselves, It’s alot prettier out here when you don’t have a giant stick shoved up your ass (yep I reread that after I typed it and nope I’m not going to rephrase because because my initial intended point is valid).

I already know that Lady Gaga allows two men to kiss in her concert. But a concert is a captive audience, not an audience you are trying to win over in terms of record sales. Most in the concert audience probably already own her record.

What Lady Gaga is doing is playing it safe. It’s the same old tactic that Madonna and other females have used. This consists of claiming to support gay rights but marketing yourself to male heterosexual fantasy. Thus, she has had male+female and female+female interactions in her videos to date, but not male-male.

This isn’t just a coincidence. As far as I’m concerned it’s a strategy. It’s a strategy of record companies and the homophobic executives who control them. They don’t want to “create a stir” or “offend” those who are grossed out by male-male sensuality.

I think it’s only fair to point to Lady Gaga to illustrate this point. We deserve better from her than mere platitudes.

I dn’t see y the hell Gaga needs to put two guys kissing, to show her support.It is quite sad that you think,thats the only way for her to show her support.

Anyway read this: Review From Gaga’s Sold-out Monster ball conert at Vector Arena, Auckland,NZ.

“Just for good measure, Alejandro closed out with two of her male dancers enjoying a long kiss in the centre of the stage”

http://www.thespaghettiinciden.....ew-nz.html