Rainfish is brilliant, and so is his blog. On the other hand, you, Josh, are a moron and a bore. Although, I’ll be more generous to you than you were to dear Rainfish, and I’ll give you an A+ for flatulence of the brain.

DADT and DOMA Repeals are no longer even a consideration.

Buses, huh? That’s the best you can do?

I’ll give you a D- and encourage you to take your homework more seriously (and your Blog, too).

You said: “I agree that many LGBT leaders suck, but what is this about accomplishments in the past 50 years? Today you have gay marriage legal in several states.”

Wow, 5 States have marriage equality – after 50 years and billions of dollars.

Tell Jorge Steven López Mercado how much progress we’ve made.

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In response to #46 Josh wrote to Rainfish: “Do your homework. Two-thirds of Americans believe in equality. See if you can figure out what that means.”

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@ Josh…

OK…so, why don’t you get off your butt then Josh and drive those “Two-thirds of Americans (who) believe in equality” to the polls on election day? Just like the Republicans who troll for votes in nursing homes, maybe you can go around to colleges and load your “Two-thirds of Americans (who) believe in equality” up on rented buses and then head for the nearest ballot boxes.

Or get those “Two-thirds of Americans (who) believe in equality” to start a massive letter writing campaign to their local congress person(s) in support of us. Now, after you learn to do your own homework, and stop lecturing other people to do theirs, you can start to get busy on that.

By the way, giving what seems to be the politically correct answer on surveys and then actually doing something about it, when you (meaning the heteros) don’t really have a dog in that civil rights fight, are two different things. Again, do your own “homework”, Josh.

See if you can figure out what that means — or maybe you don’t believe in anything beyond the candy canes and sugar plums Santa Pollster puts in your head. The Gallop Poll doesn’t mean a fucking thing if those “Two-thirds of Americans (who) believe in equality” don’t actually get out and vote for you with their uh… heartfelt… “convictions”.

Perhaps then you might understand why we lose every state referendum on same-sex marriage equality after you claim so very many heteros really and truly support us.

Now, quit bitchin’ and warm up that bus!

….Round them up …get ‘em out…rawhide!!! eeeeha!

I might have to change my stance and agree that there is no real difference between the elephants and donkeys. The difference is the same as the difference between incompetence and ineptitude.

Do your homework. Two-thirds of Americans believe in equality. See if you can figure out what that means.

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In response Josh wrote: “Maybe that’s your view of the world, but not for most of us. We are not at the mercy of “politics” we can actually get off our asses and do something.”

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Uh huh….

….And then Josh goes on and gives us no idea what this mysterious “other” ability is that we have that takes us “off our asses” and into a new realm of influence over American hillbilly lawmaking.

Do tell, Josh, what is this panacea that you have in mind? Who are the “most of us” in this majority of “us” who are not subject to the whims of politics and to the machinations of politicians who control and regulates every legal facet of our lives — as well as the legal rights and protections regarding our relationships?

Oh, Josh, please share. Outside of the judiciary (which we have little influence over), what magic forces can we tap into which gets us “off our asses” and into a position where we can “actually do something”.

Sorry, all we hear is empty rhetoric from you. If you have no real plan to offer then don’t criticize the more pragmatic among us who know that when it comes to law-making it’s not like bread which you can bake at home on your own.

Are you psycho? I said that we need to have them vote so we can find out who the hell is against us and get them voted out. I also said “Josh, funny, I don’t see anybody saying that we can’t outlaw wife beating because the Koran allows it, or that we cannot give blacks full equality because the Book of Mormon deemed them to be unequal. So please knock off using the religeous excuse. The Dems need to call a vote, if it fails, well then at least we will have the names of every single Dem that voted against us and we can start donating to any primarly opponant they have etc…”
…Which basically says that there are a lot of cracy beliefs out there, and I don’t hear ANY member of congress saying “hey lets legalize wifebeating because the Koran says it!” As I pointed out, Gay issues are one of the few issues that everybody is giving them a pass on due to their religeon, my response was to say fuck that, they need to stop using their religeon as an excuse and get off their sorry asses and vote. So just how was that being an apologist for religeon? You may want to read a post before you attack somebody for it.

LOOK — WATCH — as he is promising to get immigration reform done BEFORE THE MIDTERMS! Civil rights for non-citizens, before civil rights for veterans! No. We are not drinking the fucking kool-aid about his powerlessness any more. He gets the bills when he wants them, period. Proof? Make a list of all the grand, expensive, controversial and enormous bills he has signed or is about to sign, and just ask yourself how come two simple repeals are not on his desk.

If we already know there are 54 senators in favor of repealing DADT, that’s ALL WE NEED.

We need 60 votes to stop a filibuster, not to win the final vote. And, we need a president to do what he said and be the “fierce advocate” and use the “bully pulpit” to knock some heads in the senate to get the 60 votes to stop a filibuster. Then the 54 who support repeal of DADT can vote for the repeal.

How have we gotten into the mode of EVERY bill in the senate needing a 60 vote majority to get past a filibuster? The dems ought to be much more effective in using the repugs constant filibuster threats against them. As I recall it was the repugs who were always screaming about wanting “up or down” votes….

OK, hold the fucking phone. I agree that many LGBT leaders suck, but what is this about accomplishments in the past 50 years?

I wasn’t alive 50 years ago, but I know enough history to know that this is pure BS. A little over 50 years ago, you had Alan Turing. Today you have gay marriage legal in several states and countries. No, we haven’t accomplished much.

Maybe that’s your view of the world, but not for most of us. We are not at the mercy of “politics” we can actually get off our asses and do something.

If you want to change something, you have to do it yourself. That goes for all of us. For 50 years we’ve been changing politicians, instead of changing our minds. If all we ever do to create equality is try to pick the “correct” politician – we’re fu*ked for another 50 years.

The LGBT Community needs a strategy to create our equality. We haven’t accomplished much is 50 years. We need some new ideas and new leadership.

I can hear it now: “Congressman Whomever voted against sending much needed arms to our brave young soldiers serving overseas because he loves discrimination against other patriotic young men and women in uniform more than protecting our nation, and our children, from terrorists who are still plotting to destroy our great country.”

…”snap” …”snap” …take that beeeeatch.!

…hehehehe. I’d love to see that ad.

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In response to #32 Republican who wrote: “Despite public opposition to it, I don’t think that DADT will be repealed near an election, so if it’s going to be repealed at all next year, it’ll be very early in the year, but I just don’t see that happening. My prediction is 2011 at the earliest.”
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At last count, Congress divides its legislative, oversight, and internal administrative tasks among approximately 200 committees and subcommittees. You think that there might be room for our legislative considerations and proposals in one or two or…dare I say…three of those committees, eh?

Yes, Congress can handle and work on more than just one civil rights bill at a time. So next we demand that the people we put into office then vote on those bills. No support for us, then no support from us next election day. Simple as that. No excuses.

Although, actually it would make more sense (and accomplish the same task as multiple bills) if they just amended the 1964 Civil Right Act and added GLBT Americans to it.

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In response to #30 Rich who wrote: “The gay community will continue to throw resources and lobbying effort down the drain in losing state-by-state referendums on gay marriage. It’s a strategy that is destined to fail and the end result will be a handful of states that allow gay marriage, a handful that allow civil unions, and a majority of states that allow no equality at all.”

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Yes, we will end up with a patchwork quilt of laws relating to same-sex marriage equality until the US Supreme Court inevitably hands us our own version of Loving -versus- Virginia which,in 1967,finally struck down bans on interracial marriage. Our day will come too.

The worse the Supremes could do would be to uphold this nutty unequal status quo — which I doubt. The Supremes already ruled in Romer -vs- Evans, in striking down Amendment Two in Colorado, that animus alone against a disfavored minority cannot justify unequal treatment under the law nor a disenfranchisement of that minority’s constitutional protections.

So, whatever they milk for legal precedence (or setting precedence) in order to finally assert that homos too have a birthright of equality as American citizens, I’d say history still weighs heavily on our side.

The rest of the evil Morlocks in America can then go back to devouring each other and leave the GLBT community alone to bring that special magic to the world…which is us.

The gay community will continue to throw resources and lobbying effort down the drain in losing state-by-state referendums on gay marriage. It’s a strategy that is destined to fail and the end result will be a handful of states that allow gay marriage, a handful that allow civil unions, and a majority of states that allow no equality at all.

The strategists that lead our gay political activists need to get their act together and realize the need for wins on the federal level that provide immediate 50-state recognition for gay rights. A repeal of DADT is an immediate win for LGBT rights in all 50 states. Ending DADT will accelerate acceptance of gays and lesbians in broader society and assist in the achievement of other goals, including marriage rights. Many gay and lesbian activists I talk with believe DADT only impacts a handful of the LGBT community and isn’t deserving of the bulk of their lobbying effort. They’ll continue to chase the gay marriage rabbit down the hole for the next 50 years — and politicians will only be too happy to use the marriage issue as a wedge to generate campaign interest and divide the electorate. Meanwhile, Rep. Frank knows he can continue to kick the DADT can further and further down the road because there will generally be no backlash from the bulk of the gay community that sees the issue as not applicable to their own personal rights. These short-sighted activists couldn’t be more wrong.

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In response to No. 27 • WillBFair comment: “Why didn’t we go for domestic partnership when the polls showed we could win?”

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Damn, why didn’t Martin Luther King just ask for prettier separate drinking fountains (Hmmmmm…water taste the same doesn’t it) and cleaner segregated restrooms for Black folk (good enough if the crapper works) …so why not, eh? Could pride…self-respect…and a refusal to submit to injustice have anything to do with it? Maybe just a wee little bit?

Rather inconvenient isn’t it that so many in the GLBT community are refusing to be a “reasonable” little oppressed minority by not throwing in the towel and waving the banner of surrender to the bigots and just admit: YOU’RE RIGHT, WE AINT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE TREATED EQUAL! … now, praise the Lord and kick us in the ass for Jesus one mo’ time.

Yep…let’s just make it official!

BTW, you can always move to a state that has a DP if you really want one. Personally, I am legally married and I’m not about to trade that in for a piece of shit-paper which says that I am “officially inferior” to those homo-hating, sub-human troglodytes who all need to stop polluting the gene pool with their putrefaction.

Bottom Line: They can try to pry my marriage license out of my cold (carefully manicured) dead hands before I capitulate to these miscreants and Bible-Nazis.

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Rainfish responds:

…uh, maybe because we offer VOTES…MONEY…ACTIVISM? In some large metropolitan areas Gays make up to 16% of the Democratic Party electorate. Just like Blacks are only 13% of the population but in many urban areas they comprise a 30% or more voting block. And in a close election, which can be decided by three or four percentage points, I’d say our votes count…and count BIG — especially in national elections.

Why else would lying politicians in the DNC whore themselves to the GLBT community; holding out HOPE like candy to a hungry child while later, after elections, offering us striped rattle-snakes painted like candy canes for us to hopelessly grab onto in payment for our deluded loyalty and for our misguided votes? Would they even bother to lie to us if our votes weren’t important and necessary for them in the first place, eh?

The ONLY power most of us have (besides running for public office ourselves) is in withholding our support for those politicians who betray us or to vote “en masse” for a third party alternative. That’s it!

And a lot of liberals (Gay and Straight) are fed up with the DEMS. A third party option is essential to getting things moving forward. The two party system is like having both wheels stuck in the mud. We’ll never get out of this rut unless we have another wheel in motion.

PS: By the way…fuck religion, most of politicians are “Christians of convenience” and not by conviction.

How could you influence or broker anything LGBT-related, when it is religion that defines their positions on LGBT issues? What do you have you can trade with their “gods?”

Religious beliefs are non-negotiable.

Just a ten percent makeup of liberal Independents in the House, as well as a few well-placed liberal Independent Senators here and there, could act as very influential powerbrokers in order to get GLBT legislation passed.

As Independents they could caucus with either Republicans or Democrats while turning one rat against the other rat seeking control of Congress. And, in a closely divided congress, they could shift control back and forth, at will, if their asses aren’t properly kissed in the fawning manner Sen. Lieberman demands today in the Senate from his limp dick Democratic colleagues.

Break the strangle-hold of the fucking two party system. Outside of the remote possibility of an all encompassing pro-GLBT U.S. Supreme Court ruling unambiguously applying each of the principles of the 14th Amendment to all of our freedoms, then a third party is the only way we are going to advance our civil rights in these un-United States.

The Battered Wife Syndrome relationship that the GLBT community has with the self-serving DNC is getting really, really old. If you truly want the DNC attention, then stop voting for the douche-bags in the party who do not fully support our civil rights nor represent our interests.

Unless you’re into a lifetime of humiliation, bondage and bootlicking, then please just stop the fucking madness at the ballot box and break free of the HRC/DNC Pied Piper’s song which has had too many of us slow march, like pliant little Lemmings, off the cliffs of our own disillusionment.

Religion & LGBT Issues – Members of the 111th US Congress:

Mormon (13) 100% Anti-LGBT
Seventh Day Adventist (2) 100% Anti-LGBT
Presbyterian (48) 75% Anti-LGBT
Protestant (45) 75% Anti-LGBT
Baptists(73) 74% Anti-LGBT
Methodist (53) 74% Anti-LGBT
Christian Scientist (3) 67% Anti-LGBT
Lutheran (23) 61% Anti-LGBT
United Church of Christ (5) 60% Anti-LGBT
Episcopalian (40) 56% Anti-LGBT
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Eastern Orthodox (8) 50% Anti-LGBT
Catholics (161) 43% Anti-LGBT
Unitarian Universalist (3) 33% Anti-LGBT
Jewish (44) 14% Anti-LGBT
Unaffiliated (9) 0% Anti-LGBT
Buddhist (2) 0% Anti-LGBT
Quaker (1) 0% Anti-LGBT

The entire Congress is 57% Anti-LGBT,
but the Senate is 65% Anti-LGBT (the big problem).

For those of you that believe Democrats are ALL on our side, the truth is 28% of Democrats are Anti-LGBT (88 of the 317 Democrats in the 111th Congress).

Most of the Democrats that are Anti-LGBT are from States where at least 60% of their constituencies make religion “important.”

Most of the Democrats that are Pro-LGBT are from States where less than 60% of their constituencies make religion “important.”

If either the politician makes religion important, or the constituents (+60%) make religion important, they will be Anti-LGBT.

Sen. Kennedy was very Pro-LGBT. In the State of Massachusetts only 48% make religion important. He was one of many Catholic Pro-LGBT politicians from States in New England and the Northeast that DO NOT make religion important.

In places where religion is important – we’re screwed./i> It’s that simple.

You said: “The Dems need to call a vote, if it fails, well then at least we will have the names of every single Dem that voted against us and we can start donating to any primarly opponant they have etc…”

We already know. There are only 54 Senators in favor of DADT Repeal. Less for DOMA repeal. ENDA can’t pass the Senate either. The Hate Crimes Bill didn’t “pass,” it was attached to the Defense Budget. There has never been an LGBT Bill that has passed the US Congress. Never.

Stop denying that it is the religious beliefs of the elected officials OR the number of their constituents that make religion important. That is exactly what it is.

If you have another explanation for the NO-to-LGBT votes – please share.

Make 2010 the year of ABD: Anybody But Democrats.

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I do not believe Mr. Franks assertion that the DADT repeal was already planned to be in the Defense Appropriations bill next year. I think they came up with that line after the “Dont Ask Dont Give” protests started. But here’s the important part: It is still just a promise. They have not yet actually repealed DADT. My promise remains: No more money until after that happens.

We have been giving money to Mr. Frank for a lot of years. He has not yet produced anything for us. Nothing but promises.

I used to support politicians who made promises on gay issues. Now, I support incumbents who actually vote for our issues.
And, I support challengers of incumbents who fail to actually vote for our issues.

Wake up.
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Josh, funny, I don’t see anybody saying that we can’t outlaw wife beating because the Koran allows it, or that we cannot give blacks full equality because the Book of Mormon deemed them to be unequal. So please knock off using the religeous excuse. The Dems need to call a vote, if it fails, well then at least we will have the names of every single Dem that voted against us and we can start donating to any primarly opponant they have etc…

Wake up.