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It’s tacky.

Who’s the audience it’s try to reach?

AIDS is rampant in Africa. How does an Ambercrombie & Fitch-looking gay American even come close to addressing that?

Bad, bad, bad.

*I admit that my previous post was a bit defensive. But, please do not construe this challenge into an implication that I do not believe you are already socially engaged nor doing your part. Let’s make lemonade!

Entertaining and educational, not too shabby.

Cheers all.

Shocker.

While Ken Darling (and his ilk) are choosing to subscribe to the Rush Limbaugh school of barking madness (I’m informed they share more than a few physical characteristics as well so… inevitable?), I love that this dialogue continues!

Since “his ilk” most assuredly includes Mike in Brooklyn (now Mike in Asheville, NC), MplsHomie and me, I too, feel justified in a rebuttal to your not so veiled insinuations and snark.

1) I am not fat. You’ve never even seen me.

2) I am not, nor have I ever been, a fan of Rush Limbaugh.

3) I am not “Mad”. I’m quite sane, actually.

4) I do not bark and do, in fact, articulate quite fluently.

5) I would like to think that I AM doing inventive things with my sexuality, besides cruising, sucking and fucking, not that there is anything inherently wrong with any of those activities.

6) I am, in fact, “better than this, Dammit”, while at the same time not being ashamed of or apologetic for my love and admiration of the male form and the myriad ways in which we express our sexuality and love for the male form. Read: I am not a prude.

7) Nor is there for me, even at the age of 73, any “age divide” with respect to my support of and my ongoing fight for full equality for all people.

There. I feel so much better for having said my piece. Turning the other cheek sucks.

So, lets see, Ken Darling (real name) swipes at you with satire, satire so dry in wit it took this Cal rhetoric alum a few posts to get, and your retort is that he resembles Rush Limbaugh? That’s the best you’ve got? Hmmm, maybe the Berkeley of the East isn’t?

Per your age separation notion, I think you are way off. Did you actually listen to the comments by the models in the videos? The models are obviously under 30; yet they each speak about: raising safe sex awareness, raising funds for AIDS services, broadening the reach of the gay community.

Let me also point out C-P Q, I searched this page for the words “bold” “visionary” and courageous” and not one person used these words once in any post. I, nor Ken, nor Schlukitz, nor anyone wrote that (but you). Besides, the question raised wasn’t whether this was a great, or even good, ad campaign. The question was whether the ad campaign sent the wrong message. In my opinion, its an above average ad that will get the job done. Does it send some sort of wrong message? No. Could the campaign be better, sure; except for Brad Pitt, what doesn’t need improvement?

And, as for how exhausting the high ground is, well, fuck, get off the cross because others need the wood.

I’ll repeat my challenge in post No.54, instead of exhausting yourself on complaining about the same old type of promotional, inspire us with new ideas. Perhaps for the 2011 AIDS Walk, you could dummy up concepts that will inspire the community to go even deeper, even harder, burst the bare minimum, raise more –without any naked boys and no sex-related text?

Years ago I directed an ad for 7th on Sale West Coast featuring a lounge chair, an IV stand, a table cluttered with pill bottles, and 1 adorable but sad Jack Russell terrier looking at the chair, with the caption: “No more empty chairs.” The SF Examiner copied the ad on their front page (part of an article about how the community was supporting this great AIDS fundraiser). Sadly, none of the featured items were props, all were already at my friend’s home.

Mike Thakar (not in Brooklyn anymore; just had not changed my sign-in, now in Asheville, NC)

That aside, clearly there are any number of ways people can make their voices heard and their actions felt. I clearly hit a nerve needling you for your ivory tower perspective and what I, like a couple of others on here, interpreted as a shrill, almost comical pomposity. By no means was I ridiculing your point of view – I clearly don’t agree with it, but I understand it. So if I belittled your underlying idea or viewpoint, I apologize. I meant to tease you about the tone of your writing – you’re obviously a bright guy, so I don’t think you’d argue that you tend toward the haughty.

I too, spent many years in academia before pursuing a career as far removed from those personalities as I could find. I fall much more in the camp of “do-ers” but obviously like to banter more than perhaps is healthy.

And given the online research you yourself seem to have done into others on this chain – I think you’ll understand pretty clearly why I protect my anonymity!

Thanks for introducing a healthy dialogue, though. I for one, am bowing out because it has veered to far into the personal attack zone. Sorry for my part in contributing to that.

Your first step can be to use your real name when attempting to ridicule contrasting points of view.

I’m easy to find… but where are you?

And this inference that because I comment/critique, I therefore must somehow not participate is a real puzzler. It’s baseless and boring. Those who know me know I’ve been passionate and worked for LGBT causes ever since I held a Chair position for the Harvard BGLTSA, worked with AIDS groups up and down the West Coast and now, well, welcome to Minnesota, indeed.

Also, if we’re on this thread, we all fall into the “some people talk” category. Nobody on here is “doing” much of anything apart from asking questions and shining light on some very real concerns in our community.

Anyone going to answer my question about the age divide that’s presenting itself here? I’m newly 30 and this campaign bores me. Anyone else?

So much for the “I refuse to engage in personal attack” school of socratic dialogue, Mr. Quilici!

Very amusing that as the thread seems to be settling into a “some people talk” and “some people do” pattern, the true barking dog in this crowd actually threw his theoretical academic bona fides – and the Harvard/Oxford cards to boot!- into the ring.

You can’t make this crap up!

I have a question regarding the age divide here because I’ve noticed that the vast majority of letters of support and encouragement I’ve received have come from the 30 and under set (with the odd beacon of inspiration from our older friends) while the criticism has come largely from those in their 40s through 60s.

The younger participants bemoan the “been there, done that” aspects of this campaign while our older friends applaud the campaign for being so “courageous,” “bold” and “visionary.” What explains this disconnect?

After all, I have to write a paper for my middling liberal arts college seminar on feminism or whatever.

(Let the record show, actually, I hold my liberal arts degree from Harvard and have supplemental academic coursework done at St Catherine’s College in Oxford and YES, queer theory and feminist theory were involved)

The way I see it, anyone who has read Gulliver’s Travels or A Modest Proposal, can’t be all bad. ;)

Actually, I want to thank you for your kind and understanding reply. You’re one cool dude. I fully retract my unkind comments from post no. 59, which were based on my inability to recognize that you were making the joke. Huh huh huh, if you will forgive my feeble attempts at mimicking Maurice Chevalier. ;)

I could not agree more with your assessment of the self-righteous, shrill, all caps, PC crowd. They can be very tiring. I honestly believe that when we lose the ability to laugh at ourselves and start taking everything too seriously, especially satire and parody, then further meaningful dialogue and communication is lost.

I am reminded of the line from The King and I in the song A Puzzlement wherein he muses…

“And it puzzle me to learn
That tho’ a man may be in doubt of what he know,
Very quickly he will fight…
He’ll fight to prove that what he does not know is so!”

It’s a distinct pleasure exchanging dialogue with you, Ken.

“I’m begging that we start doing more inventive things with it or at least acknowledging that there’s more to gay life than our sex.”

No one has said thats all there is to it. There are seven OTHER bars on the Pride flag. Obviously, sex is only part of it.

No. 55 · schlukitz

“Mike in Brooklyn, naysayers will always be what they are…naysayers, no matter how worthy or glorious the cause.

It is their own laziness and unwillingness to get up off their lazy butts and make a meaningful contribution of their own, that prompts their need to put down the caring efforts of others and marginalize them.

We just treated to a splendid example of this with the Equality March on Washington as the arm chair critics took a dump on those willing to travel long distances to be there, march and make their voices heard…in addition to using the Internet as a valuable and tool in getting our message out there.

For people of this ilk, nothing other people do will ever be good enough for them.

Bottom line…who really gives a flying f–k what they think?”

Had me going until you started with the EAA stuff. I agree with everything you said up to that point. Overall, you make a good point. I got an e-mail from someone in Mississippi who is trying to organize something and is hitting the same brick walls I hit. People who never want to be a part but always have loads of free advice.

Yesterday, I started organizing a picket of Sarah Palin’s only planned appearance in the state of Oklahoma for her book tour. Immediately, I started getting messages saying how it was a bad idea, wouldn’t accomplish anything, blah, blah, blah. I’m working on a blog post on Facebook on that subject now, but it basically goes something along the lines: if you don’t support it, then don’t come, or start your own movement. But please, shut up and stop sending me messages about how you don’t support what I am doing because I don’t give a damn.

I have the right to criticize people because unlike many, I have put myself out there and I spend a large amount of time working on issues and actually show up to events rather than bitch about them at home. Last night, I was helping with a fundraiser (well, ok, I also went for the food… which was to die for!!) to get Brittany Novotny elected. You know, the transwoman who is running against Sally Kern.

From that standpoint, I can tell you that some of the criticism of Equality Across America is warranted. I supported the march, but the people behind it are such arrogant assholes it makes it hard to love them. I get tired of them constantly coming on here (and everywhere else) and telling me how Dallas is so much better than the rest of the gay world. They seem to forget that I live next to the damn thing and go there once a month at least. Its not. Of course, this is the typical of Texans, they always think their shit doesn’t stink.

You’re cute and quick response, complete with a smile, contrasts to the never-ending ALL CAPS sanctimony of the PC crowd. We have no problem smiling at each other; they can do nothing but wag their fingers and get more shrill with each comment. I guess I can hardly blame you for thinking the most obvious parody is actually something this crowd would argue with complete earnestness.

No doubt, you heard of the adage “Talk is cheap”. ;)

The point of a double-entendre is subtlety and wit. ALL-CAPSing those keywords (dripping down Peter’s delicious thigh) indicates the creator doesn’t think you are smart enough to notice or get-the-joke. (HA HA, right? Oh, AIDS!)

People actually respond to and remember advertising when they are encouraged to solve a simple puzzle.

I like the color palette… but what happened to his feet? Or his fore-arm? Is that the puzzle?

… and not a soul even pretending that they themselves could conceptualize and create a more effective ad.

Anyone else reminded of the health care debate?

Obviously, I was all wrong about you. :)

things i am not: a republican, conservative, impressed with this ad campaign, impressed with the direction of this conversation, impressed with David from MAP’s response, jealous of the models.

It is more than possible to think critically of an ad campaign and still support the cause.

If this ad campaign had come out years ago, perhaps it would’ve been considered provocative, subversive, even radical. Instead, in our current historical context where a stick of gum (read orbitz) is sold by a tanorexic blonde in in a mini skirt (albeit she is wearing clothes, but she’s still a sex icon) this ad feeds into the stereotypical, problematic marketing model that sex sells. Because of shows like Queer as Folk, Will and Grace, characters on MTV’s the Real World, the stereotypes have been established, reinforced, and hardened for some years. Let’s, as Christian suggests, work above this, began to deviate a little from the “homonormative”. There can be integrity in nudity, there can be anti-racist marketing, there can be something for more than “shock value”‘s or in this case “shock/sex value”‘s sake. I don’t have any answers so i apologize. I don’t like marketing, especially after working in it, but there really must be something more provocative, more subversive, more substantial than this.

From what pulpit on high, at what church did you issue that scathing condemnation of the gay community?

you’re all just a bunch of pervs

Spoken just like a Republican, self-righteous, religious asshat. A veritable paragon of pomposity.

we PROUD GAY MEN are better than that! Well I am at least.

Perhaps you’d care to share with us, just how long you have been locked into your Walter Goethals heavy-duty, metal chastity belt?

Obviously a pair of simple magical Mormon undies would fail the test in retaining your self-imposed virtuousness.

And to those who have nothing to add to the conversation besides personal attacks, please get over yourselves. Criticism of a campaign doesn’t mean that we’re not involved in the cause… just that we have an opinion about the campaign that we felt needed to be shared.

It’s very possible to be a critic and participant at the same time.