And even now, he doesn’t REALLY support marriage equality. He has stated that he feels it’s a states’ rights issue! What a copout! Forget about the 1,000+ benefits and responsibilities that accrue from federal recognition of same-gender marriage rights.

Smarten up people!

Obama has made promises. He promised to repeal DOMA. And Obama has a friendly Congress. There are no religious Republicans in the way. Democrats control the White House, the House and the Senate overwhelmingly. They don’t need any opposition votes. They could repeal DOMA tomorrow if they wanted to.

If DOMA isn’t repealed, it’s because Obama and the Democrats don’t want to. Plain and simple. And for that, the Dems will lose my vote forever.

Furthermore, Obama doesn’t need Congress to repeal Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. He can do that from his desk by himself tomorrow by Executive Order. Again, let’s be honest.

Our Messiah we all worked hard for is betraying us. The Democrat party constantly betrays us.

So really, we’re left with two parties (GOP and Dems) that both are abysmal on gay rights. So all things being equal, I’ll vote Republican thank you very much, since they’ll at least lower my taxes.

How you must suffer as you carry the entire burden of the LGBT movement on your back with no help from anyone!

You’ll get your reward in heaven, for sure.

Probably a bale of hay for being suck a jackass!

Meanwhile….the Religious Right makes those calls and gets what they want.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ld.....71505.html

90% an hour or so before the sun comes up is just too much.

So I came home and answered Philips questions in AC comfort. These Obots, Clintinistas, Log Cabinites and that sort are so lazy. They just make up shit and rewrite history and expect they can bullshit their way through.

Glad life is so clear and simple for you, only one right answer…..

I was here too and I remember it all too vividly. It was, as usual for hustler pols, a betrayal. But DADT and DOMA were the worst of them by far.

It’s imprinted on my mind because it enraged me that that jackass Dixiecrat was doing that the same summer and fall that several of my friends died. I remember it very clearly. It was such a stunning betrayal that even his lapdogs in the HRC felt compelled to yap a bit.

I don’t believe I’ll take your advice about moving. Thanks but no thanks.

I prefer to stay and fight. It’s fun.

Are most politicians dirt bags? Yes. And while I respect your knowledge, Mr. Perdue, (I won’t call you Bill since that is too familiar)would you have preferred Mr. Clinton’s opponent to win? You make good points about working outside the system, and are very articulate at pointing out the voluminous failings of the USA, but is there a better place? If so, why don’t you move there? If not, talking about what could be done and should be done isn’t much more productive than the things you complain about (and I say this even as I agree with you.)

What exactly would have been worse than exposing GLBT service members to the fury of codified military bigotry? What would have been worse than the firestorm of hatred and bigotry Clinton unleashed by signing DOMA and boasting about it. Now it’s been passed in most state of the union and he began all that. It’s his fault as much as it’s the fault of Bush and Rove.

Do your sources include material like this 1996 Time Magazine article. “

“By the time Clinton arrived in Chicago for his party’s convention in August, nothing that hinted at liberalism was left hanging on him.

When the President, who had begun his term advocating the rights of gays in the military, came around to supporting the Defense of Marriage Act, which barred federal recognition for gay and lesbian unions, Dole was wide-eyed. “Is there anything we’re for that he won’t jump on?” Dole asked. The answer, essentially, was nothing…” Just google that quote and you’ll get the whole story.

Are your numerous and authoritative sources, polls and so froth on YouTube? PBS? In the vaults of the DNC, or worse yet, in the Clinton Library?

Let us know. Be specific. Cite. Link. Etc

Same thing with DADT – if Bill hadn’t pacified the religious right with something, they would have been even more energized.”
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So he attacked us and sold us out to help us? Hmm, interesting. Funny how Lyndon Johnson signed the civil rights legislation even though he said “This will lose the Democrats the South for decades.” He went for the greater good even though it was going to hurt politically. Clinton is just one of the “Everybody like me” people.

As for a constitutional amendmen, With Clinton running around 16 points ahead of Dole in the polls at that time, I have a feeling that a popular presdient who actually gave a shit about the issue could have led the Dems to block any attempt at an amendment. Remember, some GOP members who voted FOR DOMA were opposed to amending the constitution for such an issue, combine that with the Dems Clinton would have swayed and an amendment was extrealy far fetched.

I strongly suggest people watch some documentaries about DADT and DOMA – listening to various politicians speak, on camera, in the halls of the congress, listening to religious zealots, looking at poll numbers – it gives a very different flavor to the times than reading text here.

My point is that Yeah, Damn right Bill was flouting DOMA – - to head off a Constitutional Amendment! Look at the vote numbers here. DOMA passed overwhelmingly.

Same thing with DADT – if Bill hadn’t pacified the religious right with something, they would have been even more energized.

We have to fight for what we need – peace, jobs, and an end to bigotry outside of and against the twin parties of war, economic looting and bigotry.

As to the economy, you’re right, it quicking sliding towards a depression. Recessions are self-correcting. Depressions are not.

All FDRs men and all FDRs horses didn’t do shit to end the last depression except slap a few band aids on running sores. FDRs work programs and other social program were much much needed stopgap efforts but were were erratic and temporary (oddly, they always seemed to begin and end with election campaings) and had minor economic effects.

The depression ended shortly after 7am on the morning of December 7th, 1941 and not a minute earlier. The man who ended the last American depression was Fleet Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto.

Thanks for addressing Philip’s absurd questions. You did a much finer job of addressing them than I could have. I was just going to let it ride.

Another windbag, with nothing invested in the issues (and nothing to lose, btw), who never heard the question, but has all the answers. ;P

Both of those parties, under the impact of a soon to be Depression and a spate of unwinnable wars are politically extinct. They don’t know it yet but the radicalization attendant on economic collapse and unending war is going to politically bury them.

For the GLBT movement picking from their stomach-turning list of Democratic (sic) and Republican warlords, handpuppets of the rich and hustlers is out of the question. As for the GLBT movements and communities the last thing we need is a fuehrer. We need an action program and an elected leadership to implement it.

What we need to create, and events are doing just that, is the base for a massive action coalition, openly and determinedly independent of political hustlers like Obama, McCain, the Bushes and Clintons with a democratic internal life and a mass action program.

That describes the movements that rose up to get Suffrage, win union rights, end the Vietnam war, win reproductive choice, demobilize GI’s in 1945-46 and other fights. It describes the Minutemen of Concord and Lexington and the Committees of Correspondence from 1760 to 1783. And it describes the US government in its last years as a force for progress from 1860 to 1877 (when the last federal troops withdrew from the south, Reconstruction was betrayed and the iron fist of Jim Crow settled on the nation).

Gosh, I hope the fact that I won’t accept HRH HRC as my maximum leader isn’t too sexist for you. Hill ‘n Bill are our enemies just as much as McCain, Obama, Palin, Biden, Reagan, Palin and the rest. They’re all right centrists and all quite worthless. The difference is Democrats lie about driving the bus and Republicans don’t even bother lying any more. They just drive.

Phillip, who was asleep on Mars during the campaign, simply lies when he says that “Also, Obama did not use a homophobic platform.”

Obama’s Minister of Pandering, Joshua Dubois set up a long series of campaign events with total bigots ranging from ex-gay scum like Donnie McClurkin and anti-LGBT southern baptist bigots like Rick Warren. The same Joshua Dubois set up a nationwide network of religious (read bigoted) support groups for Obama. Dubois has been rewarded with the job of overseeing the federal ‘faith based’ bribery schemes, and idea authored by the team of Hillary Clinton and Rick Santorum, senators from gawd, Inc.

Obama’s main ‘homophobic platform’ was his appearance at Rick Warrens Saddleback southern baptist nest where Obama deliberately torpedoed our chances for same sex marriage in California with the war cry of the bigots: “gawd’s in the mix.”

Remember, Philip was asleep on Mars during 2008. So I guess the Martian news channels didn’t carry that little bit about ‘gawd’s in the mix. Right Philip?

“Protecting Religious Freedom. It’s the foundation of our nation.

President Clinton wants a complete ban on late term abortions…
The President signed the Defense of Marriage Act… President Clinton has fought for our values and America is better for it.

Paid for by Clinton/Gore ’96″

The Federal Marriage Amendment was first introduced in 2002, six years later by Rep. Marilyn Musgrave and Sen. Wayne Allard, both Colorado Republicans. FMA had nothing at all to do with DOMA. Rightwing Clintonistas (there are no other kind) who say it did are simply making things up. That’s a measure of their desperation in the face of the facts and the huge and totally legitimate LGBT disgust with the Clintons, Obama, the Bushes and other bigots.

“Roommates” do not qualify for a slew of things, such as hospital visitation rights and spousal insurance benefits. I could care less about the Church. I don’t want marital rights because it’s a religious thing (in fact, I would never have a church wedding).

I want the CIVIL rights inherent to marriage. Incidentally, Sweden (I’m Swedish) signed gay marriage into law earlier this year. So yay us.

Also, Obama did not use a homophobic platform. Just because he didn’t support same-sex marriage PERSONALLY (and he emphasized that it was a personal belief that would not stop him from doing his job) does not mean his entire platform was largely homophobic.

And he wasn’t even CLOSE to being as homophobic as McPalin. Did you even READ their platform, their views, their speeches?! They didn’t even support Civil Unions (Obama does), Palin tried to get hate crimes laws that protect gays REPEALED in Alaska, etc., etc., etc. McPalin were openly HOSTILE towards the LGBT community. And McPalin never made it a secret that their religious nutbaggery was going to govern their reign.

It’s not at ALL two sides of the same coin or the “lesser of two evils”. Obama might not be our foremost champion, but McPalin were far, far, far, far, far, far, far, FAR worse.

Obama, however, DOES need to stop being so afraid of commandeering Congress and the Senate, though. Bipartisanship is all good and well, but if it cannot be reached, then screw it and go with partisanship.

However, I believe Obama is afraid he’ll fail because some Democrats will vote down pro-gay legislation. However, a repeal of DADT should be able to pass easily. DOMA is a much tougher cookie, though things are certainly going our way.

The Bush agenda was shoved down our throats with less of a majority than the democrats now hold. How did Bush do it? LEADERSHIP is how he did it, not all he did was via signing statements and executive orders. He led the Congress and Senate tp pass his agenda.

Obama has serious problems in the leadership department. He is so concerned with being all things to all people which makes him appear weak and floundering. If he does not start leading soon, we will end up with Sarah Palin as our President in 2012.

You have 2 Senators so that is 2 phone calls :). I know you have a million e-mail contacts so ask them to do the same.

Dial the switchboard on Capital Hill at 202-224-3121 and ask to speak to one Senator from your state. Hang up, repeat for the other. Vote Yes on The Matthew Shepard Act.

Or you can call them directly.

http://www.senate.gov/general/.....8;Sort=ASC

1, 2, 3, Go~

At the bottom of everything is the notion that we live, for better or worse, in a pluralistic society, and no individual gets to decide everything.

Like you, I too voted for Obama, and for the same foolish reasons. He was also the lesser of two evils. We didn’t have much of a menu to choose from, to be sure. McCain/Palin were the horror side of the same coin of homophobia and religious rhetoric.

You went on to say,

This rabid fascination with wanting to uphold a rigid system like marriage in relation to human bonding is unnatural, especially in those individuals who have mastered their identity to be absolutely free and liberal.

I could not agree with you more, sir, despite the fact that I am among the many who are campaigning for the right to same-sex marriage and full equality for all people, LGBT and straight alike.

Were it not for the fact that society has inextricably tied my civil-rights to the quaint custom of marriage, vis-a-vis, the ability of people like InExile and myself to be able to sponsor our foreign born partners for citizenship in the US, I could give a rat’s ass less about a “five-thousand year old tradition” that these RRRRR idiots are fighting to the death to defend. They can keep it for all I care.

If relationships can survive for 15-25-35 and even 50 years or more without a piece of paper from the government or the blessings of the Church, then that is proof adequate me that marriage is, as you say, not love.

It is easy to see why the church fights so hard to preserve this so-called tradition which they have claimed to themselves, despite the mistruth of that. As you so rightly stated, it was, is and will be forever tied to the economy.

Taking possession, ownership and stewardship of this system, gives them the power to control the minds of vast numbers of people, however.

By brainwashing them into thinking that the only viable relationship, is one put together and blessed by by God, the Churh keeps these good little suckers coming back every Sunday morning to put “bread” in their collection baskets.

And that, is what it’s all about, isn’t it? Keep the serf’s tilling the land for them while they continue to live in the lap of luxury.

That so many stupid saps fall for it, is positively amazing.

Marriage is not love, remember. It is an orthodoxy. A system. Ancient in origin and forever tied to economy. Homosexuals would think this the end all and be all of their inclusion, but this is not so. I would venture a prophesy and say that the labels of straight, gay, lesbian will not stand the test of time. The whole of humanity is queer with regard to how they bond to others. This rabid fascination with wanting to uphold a rigid system like marriage in relation to human bonding is unnatural, especially in those individuals who have mastered their identity to be absolutely free and liberal.

I’m rambling. The world seems to move so fast, but it has always generated to the same beat. My mission is to understand that beat, with or without you.

Peace.

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one.

SM, however, appears to have at least a half-dozen of them.

Assholes, that is.

In exile, would you like to borrow my cast iron frying pan to bang some sense into this dumb twat’s cramium with?

Have you ever noticed that the people who have the least invested in an issue…are the one’s who know ALL about it…and have ALL the answers?

Bad enough you had to give up your job, sell your home, sell your car, leave your 82 year old mother behind and eat up your life savings and retirement funds and move to a foreign country in order to remain with your partner of 14 years because this country will not grant you your civil rights afforded to straight citizens, you have to tormented by some str8, unfeeling, uncaring bitch like this who claims to be on our side, but cannot even sink her teeth into the suffering that tens of thousands of us are going through by being separated from our mates?

God forbid, that we should be the slightest bit annoyed or irritated with our leaders, our government and our country when we are being discriminated against by them.

How fucking rude of us!!!