Barack Obama isn’t the only Democratic candidate who should be called out for his anti-gay associates. As Paul Jenkins points out Hillary Clinton has also taken up with some queer bedfellows, including Reverend Harold Mayberry.
In this game, all candidates have been associated with homophobes. For instance, Hillary Clinton recently trumpeted her friendship with Harold Mayberry, of the First African Methodist Church in Oakland; her press release on the meeting/endorsement left out the fact that Mayberry believes homosexuality to be comparable to thievery.
It’s true, the Oakland-based Methodist, once said, “I’m not rejecting people. As God loves, we love. I don’t reject thieves, I reject thievery.” Too bad Clinton didn’t reject Mayberry’s endorsement.
Jenkins also takes on the Democrats’ backward sense of federalism, “Democrats can’t get enough of the federal government regulating every aspect of our lives, except on the one issue of same-sex marriage.”
And, he says, all of the major candidates’ marriage platforms reek of homophobia.
More bluntly, the leading Democratic candidates’ stance on same-sex marriage is in itself homophobic, although I don’t completely blame Clinton, Obama or John Edwards (actually, him I do blame for being a coward and trying to have it both ways by hiding behind both his faith and his wife). They are making a political calculation, and it is their right to do so; it is for the rest of us to show that calculation to be increasingly flawed.
Now poor Jenkins will have to forever live with the smell of dirty politics. Shame…
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DavidDust
“Reverend Mayberry”???? You’ve GOT to be kidding!
littlemonster
well she’s off the list. I’m voting for Stephen Colbert.
Tony Smith
I think I just decided to vote for Colbert too.
adamblast
Isn’t “Clinton did it too” one of the lamest rightwing defenses for *anything*?
Leland Frances
Trying to equate Clinton’s association with Mayberry with Obama’s association with McClurkin is, at best, uninformed, and, in Obama Troll Jenkin’s case, purposely dishonest. To read the way he rhapsodically misrepresents Obama vs. the other Dem candidates on gay issues is to hurl. One hopes he deals with his auction customers with more honesty and integrity than he displays while huffing and puffing on the “Huffington Post.â€
There is a HUGE difference between “pandering” to homophobes which he accuses them of, and being “associated with.” If every Democratic candidate for anything from President to dogcatcher performed a litmus test on all the views of all their potential supporters they’d be left with no one but family members supporting them, and not all of those. By contrast the Repugs are ASKING FOR, BEGGING FOR support from, PROMISING THE MOON TO the extreme right wing such as at the “Value Voters” read “Homo Haters” convention this past weekend.
Yes, both Mayberry and McClurkin have preached that homosexuality is a sin but say they are against discrimination. But trying to equate Mayberry with McClurkin is like trying to equate someone who plays with matches with a convicted arsonist.
Mayberry is a minister with little Oakland, California, pulpit. Google him [without the middle initial] and “gay” and you’ll only find about 85 hits, virtually all which connect the two [versus simply appearing on the same page] a replay of a short quote in a 2004 SF “Chronicle” article in which he said he thought homosexuality was a sin but was against a Constitutional amendment. The only Mayberry the average American, Black or White, is likely to have heard of is the one where Andy, Opie, Aunt Bea, and Barney Fife lived.
BUT Google “Donnie McClurkin” and “gay” and you’ll get over 58,000 hits. Even eliminating Obama’s name from the search, you’ll still get nearly 42,000 hits because McClurkin, unlike Mayberry, is a religious star [Star Jones is one of the members of his congregation] who has appeared in several films and national TV programs while making a career out of both his Grammy-award winning singing AND homophobia, from his autobiography to CAMPAIGNING FOR BUSH in Michigan and performing at the 2004 Repug convention to appearing on Pat Robertson’s “700 Club.” In 2004, he told the “Washington Post” under the headline, “Donnie McClurkin, Ready to Sing Out Against Gay ‘Curse'”:
“I can’t let off. I didn’t call myself — God called me to do what I do. If this is a war, we are willing to fight. Not a war of violence, but a war of purpose.” You know, the “holy war” against gays.
In short, Clinton and her staff are unlikely to have known about the cliched homophobia of a ministerial mouse like Mayberry, but there is no excuse for Obama and his people not to have known of the big time professional homohater McClurkin.
So pay little mind to the Hillary Haters who are flooding the Net with the dishonest shell game to try to distract from the fact that Obama fucked up BIG TIME. In fact, TWO OTHER gospel acts on this tour have a history of gay bashing far worse than anything Mayberry has been documented saying.
BUT, once again, even if the tour continues as planned, and Obama, who can be educated with time, gets the nomination, the rational gay man and woman, anyone who values what’s best for our country’s and the world’s future, will vote for him and NOT vote for ANY Repug.
Bill Perdue
The truth, whether the right wingers and reactionaries among us want to admit it or not, is that both the Republican and the Democratic parties have little to offer but cosmetic reforms aimed at sidetracking us and derailing our fight for full equality.
The Republicans have been sending their attack dogs after us for eight years, and with the endorsement of the Clintons, have enacted antidemocratic DOMA laws in 36 states and the DADT and DOMA into federal law. Dianne Feinstein, Democratic Senator from California joined with Bush supporters in the Senate Judiciary committee to ram though the nomination of bigot judicial candidate Southwick, a Dixiecrat from (you guessed it) Texas and Mississippi. In the house gaybasher Basher Pelosi and quisling Frank rammed through the toothless Democratic Party version of ENDA, effectively gutting it and deliberately depriving transgendered people of equal protection.
Obama, a product of the Chicago machine, is chasing after Hillary Clintons hard won bigot votes; she’s been running around bible in hand ‘dialoging’ with bigots and anti-choice misogynists for the last two years. And he’s serious, his pursuit of Clintons bigot votes is not limited to a tour with McClurkin, he’s also touring with the violently antiGLBT duo Mary Mary. He’s now trailing Clinton by as many as 25 points, depending on the poll.
Although to be truthful he’ll probably never come close to outsleazing Hillary Clinton. One of her biggest fundraisers was hosted by no less than ultraright Faux News’s own Rupert Murdoch, who’s the “neo†in ‘neo-Nazi’. And we shouldn’t omit Norman Hsu, the Hong Kong mysterious ‘businessman’ who gave her $850,000 to play politician with. Unfortunately for Heir Apparent Hillary Hsu was arrested on a fugitive warrant and her association with him was uncovered. She was forced to return Hsu’s money. The didn’t happen with the money she got from the infamous financier and Bush contributor Alan Quasha, whose attachment to Clinton is at least as substantial as Hsu’s – and still concealed, according to Russ Baker and Adam Federman in article in The Nation on October 22nd.
As ‘Deepthroat’ wisely said ‘Follow the Money.†He could have added, and follow the appeasers of bigots. There you’ll find most Democrats and liberal Republicans.
A Republican politician is a baboon in a people suit with a totalitarian christian attached at the hip. A Democratic politician is a Republican in drag.
Leland Frances
The truth is that Comrade Perdue will say ANYTHING, make up ANYTHING, distort EVERYTHING to try to fool you into not voting for any Democrat because he still fantasizes as only the oldest living Fag for Stalin could about a socialist “utopia” in which any other party is banned. Sieg Heil, Herr Wilhelm!!!
His theme song is “Send In the Clowns.”
Rt. Rev. Dr. RES
Take off YOUR makeup, Leland, for being a centrist apologist for those who offer nothing but second tier rights for you, while we Canadians enjoy full and equal rights given to us by a Socialist regime, that makes you the clown.
Bill, my friend, the problem with LGBT stalemates and civil union canards after marriage in MA was retained, was because your enemies are malevolent and your friends are two-faced hypocrites who favour second tier status so that they can lure the centrist and pragmatist into their camp.
Yes, the DLC is always ready for Halloween = you get tricked and they get the treat of your vote.
kamasutrajones
Um, when did the Huffington Post become a Republican rightwing media outlet, adamblast?
I love it when someone points out the hypocrisy that exists in the Democratic party and the left-wingers all become indignant and say it’s a right-wing plot against them. Yet, the left-wing feels no problem with doing the reverse and touting it as some sort of moral authority.
It’s especially rich in this case, as the guy pointing out the inconsistencies is a left-winger posting on a left-wing website.
Rt. Rev. Dr. RES
Kamasutra – I found your Hindu moniker amusing. Yet, upon reflection, sex in a thousand positions with use of your tapping feet and gyrating hands….yep, that is certainly a fascist stance.
And when their arms are tired, they can give the fascist salute, and when their legs are tired, they can goosestep around any arguement by ad hominem attacks and bait and switch “logic”.
So, let’s try it again, shall we. Republicans today are theocons, neocons and Dixiecrats. Unfortunately for the Democratic party, not all the Dixiecrats joined your new hijacked GOP. Some of them are indeed GOP-lite or wolves in lambs’ clothing.
But get this, and you can ejaculate over this Kammasutra Jones – the WORST, DISGUSTING DLC/DINO who masturbates us for a vote and does nothing, is better than a FASCIST THEOCON who gay bashes us and does something to worsen our lives. GET IT TROLL !!!!
SeaFlood
Look at the responses to Hillary’s cozying up with anti-gay folks and Obama’s and I will show all of you how racism rears its head.
Where Obama was “green” and people didn’t like him, didn’t know what he stood for and seemed to be “hip” without substance… no one has really said anything about Clinton. In fact, some people seek to be understanding of her position.
*mmmmhmmmm*
I do not bring this up to be attacked, but to make a point about how het white people can do things in the public-political sphere and find their actions negotiated and mediated as to hide their anti-gay skeletons. However, when het B/black people do the same thing, the negotiating, the mediation, the understanding is all gone.
When are we going to own up to the fact that most of us — especially the non-of color folks — in the gay community still give whiteness unearned privileges?
ProfessorVP
Look, when Hillary talked like Hattie McDaniel in front of a black audience, it was big news. Nobody gave her a pass. Did you even know Barry did the same thing? He also has a “colored only” way of speaking, depending on the demographics of his audience.
Furthermore, the polls have Hillary with the biggest negative ratings of everyone. And yeah, she earned it.
UndercoverPants
Thievery and gayness totes go together. Where do you think the term ‘butt pirate’ came from?
I know, I know. I’ll see my own way to the door.
Rt. Rev. Dr. RES
A new wrinkle to the term ” DRIVE BY SHOOTING”
Ryan
Listen, guys, that’s what the bible says! Don’t get mad at preachers for saying they hate fags when the bible tells them to hate fags.
If I might borrow their language… Hate Christianity, not the Christian.
Mr. B
Wow. Except for the part about actually voting for Obama, I actually agree with Leland Frances’s first post.
Rt. Rev. Dr. RES
Sorry, Ryan, but that is ” so not true.” Theologians are either literal or contextual. One speaks to time frozen in space and in knowledge and the other seeks to understand God’s love and plan for us without the prejudice and homophobia you believe is validated by “Christianity”
Christofascists and Spiritual violence may be otherworldly, but it has nothing to do with God, Christ, Yahweh or Allah…..but the other guy.
If you hate those who have lopped spiritual violence upon you, embrace the pain and know that the Sermon on the Mount and Christ Himself speaks to you and it is NOT the message of these men and women.
Mr. B
Professor VP, you forget that Hillary still leads Obama by around 20% in every nationwide poll. At least, as of five minutes ago.
Rt. Rev. Dr. RES
Really, my vote is for Bill Perdue in this and everything that thoughtful, literate, intelligent person writes on this blog.
I personally find that individuals who resort to ad hominem attacks using F Bombs and oppressive names. Yet, after reading some of his remarks, I understand why it is sometimes difficult to love your neighbour as yourself.
All I know is that if the Clintons were Canadians, we would still be waiting for the freedom we now enjoy. His unwaivering support of Hillary Clinton is troubling. At the end, many will hold their nose and vote for the flatulence.
I know that Bill , my Nigel, and others think that the odour is not a rosebush.
Rt. Rev. Dr. RES
erratum……oppressive names, should purchase a dictionary and thesaurus.
Rt. Rev. Dr. RES
Mr B. There is no doubt in my mind that Senator Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic Leadership Council presidential nominee.
I doubt very seriously that Senator Obama would be invited to join the ticket.
I assume that a Clinton loyalist currently not running might be chosen. My guess is someone who is centre right to conservative. Even Bill Richardson, whose mother was Hispanic, might be chosen, but my thoughts lie elsewhere.
My point, made by my American spouse, is that given the choice between a neocon who sins by commission and a DINO who sins by omission, the gay person with American citizenship should vote the lesser of two evils, and not carry water for the person who wants to institutionalise second class citizenship.
Witness the gentrified HRC. The HRC president JS tried to exclude former Senator Gravel….who supports samesex marriage, and gave lukewarm support for Dennis Kucinich, who also supports gays in marriage. But the applause was loud and clear for Hillary the Civil Union Queen. Our Queen, HM Elizabeth, gave Royal Assent to our new Marriage Law. Got it!!!!
Leland Frances
“Rev.”, Rev., Rev., don’t you honor the commandment about bearing false witness? The only reason you keep rimming Comrade Perdue is because you THINK he agrees with you. His attacks on the Clintons and others, including myself which I find only a measure of his inability to respond to facts with facts, are virtually all the kind of ad hominems which you claim to abhor.
Neither, sadly, can you apparently read with enough objectivity to understand my consistent point: I am not as much pro-Hillary [I have also defended Obama and Edwards] as I am pro any candidate who is not Republican. If you’ll recall our 2000 Bush coup, it happened because so many of that year’s edition of Comrade Perdue, AKA the Naderites, threw their votes away in a huff on the egomaniacal [and rich, BTW] Ralph Nader, resulting in, after the Repug-manipulated Supreme Court went against their own states-rights precedents and stopped the vote counts in Florida.
Thus ONLY 537 votes among those counted changed History and has resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands in Iraq, the elevation of the demonization of gays with impunity to the White House level, a staggering deficit, and the repeated refusal to enforce our already too weak environmental laws. Despite the histrionic claims to the contrary nothing the Clintons did approaches that nor are, as Perdue ludicrously and irresponsibly insists, the Democrats the immoral equivalents to the Republicans generally.
Thus, I will not apologize for the urgency with which anyone who genuinely cares about these PEOPLE issues over armchair ideological ping pong must challenge those who do anything to either cavalierly or because of their own dishonest and devious political motivation do anything to try to convince voters to throw their votes away again. And that is EXACTLY and REPEATEDLY the message Comrade Perdue telegraphs, his raison d’etre.
Working to “build†a viable third party is admirable because it is so desirable, but anyone who tells others to throw their votes away in the meantime is a willing accomplice in the continued murders of the Bush/Republican Reich and the assault on civil liberties. And what is “thoughtful, literate, intelligent†about that?
Rt. Rev. Dr. RES
Well, Leland, I would like to first commend you upon not throwing any F bombs in your previous missive. The “oral sex involving the anus” reference made me realise, however, that it was indeed you on the keyboard, eh?
You want to discuss 2000, eh? OK! The Clintons stayed clear. The DLC chose Lieberman, who now blackmails the DLC with his independent stance and GOP votes, as the veep candidate. The votes were “misappropriated” in many different states, but especially FL. Gore did not carry his native TN, where he had served that state in both the House and the Senate, as had his father before him. True, Nader made a difference in some electoral votes, but you need a very narrow prism to make your assertions as absolute as you make them.
Secondly, the election of 2004 brought down Dr. Dean and gave you Bonesman and Corporate Dem Kerry. Many liberals held their nose and voted for him…but the rest is Tweedle Dee and Dum, as he tried to be Bush-lite when the electorate were not watching their political calories.
Yes, the neocons have been successful with so-called liberals and moderates, like AAAHNOLD and like Rudy Guiliani. My guess is that he will be the nominee. It will be time to make up your mind at that time. Milton Berle or Hillary, in drag.
You may need a third party, as the Republican party was in 1856. James Fremont lost to James Buchanan that year, but 1860 nominee Abraham Lincoln was quite successful.
We in Canada just voted NDP rather than Liberal in some ridings (=districts)for the House of Commons. In the riding of Toronto-Danforth, a pseudo Liberal in a safe riding was defeated by the NDP leader who needed a seat.
Your reactionary appeal to the term “comrade” is offensive. First of all, Christ’s beatitudes speak more to communal sharing than does unbridled capitalism and corporate DLC views, eh.
Besides, it is socialist governments in Canada, Spain, Netherlands and Belgium as well as South Africa who provided full marriage rights to gays and lesbians. Hillary is bullish on second tier rights….as she said, she is a civil union advocate. You are not heterosexual enough to be equally married, and Bill blamed gays and lesbians for the Kerry loss and suggested that he ditch your support, eh? DOMA and DADT, and so…..
hold your nose, do nothing and then give your vote to oppose the GOP, but get involved in the primaries and return the Dem party to liberalism and socialism.
Eva Young
I was disappointed in the McClurkin thing, but think way too much has been made out of it – and Clinton concerns me much more than Obama does – because she says one thing to gay audiences, but won’t challenge mainstream audiences on gay issues. Obama will challenge audiences that are hostile to gays to be more inclusive. Who has more courage?
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