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Etsy Shop Owner Refuses Same-Sex Couple’s Marriage Business, Claiming “Christian” Values

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By:           Les Fabian Brathwaite
On:           Apr 10, 2013
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  • 55 Comments
    • 2eo
      2eo

      Let her know what you think about her discrimination directly.

      EMAIL jess@paledesigns.com

      Apr 10, 2013 at 6:34 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Caleb in SC
      Caleb in SC

      Dear Jess, I hope your Christian values also apply to every other facet of your life. Do you refuse to eat at establishments that have LGBT employees? Have you asked your accountants, doctors, lawyers and other professionals their sexual orientation so that you do not promote their sin? Have you personally vetted every company from which you buy products to make sure that no gayness has tainted your purchases? If not, then screw you, you are a hypocrite.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 6:57 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ottoman
      Ottoman

      Just checked her website and she’s got fake Muppets on her homepage. Does she have a license from Disney or the Muppets to reproduce or copy their work?

      Apr 10, 2013 at 7:20 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • queerfrog
      queerfrog

      Jessica Fong’s religious policy is hypocritical and self-serving. Disney Parks have had gay wedding packages for nearly six years, yet she uses Disney imagery in many of her products. In fact, Disney has a long record for being LGBT-friendly. Also, Fong’s “artwork” is entirely illegal. Even bakeries are required to have a license to sell cakes with copyrighted characters on them. None of the 10 Commandments address gay people, but one speaks directly to theft. By her own convictions, it is she who is the sinful party in this transaction. Fong has every right to refuse her services and Etsy has a right to allow her to sell her wares, but the trademark infringement should be enough to get her booted. I hope she receives a cease and desist letter! Report her for that.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 7:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Caleb in SC
      Caleb in SC

      @queerfrog: Tell her that!!! I sent her an email basically saying what I said in my post.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 7:52 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • LansdaleRichieRich
      LansdaleRichieRich

      For those so called “Christians” who are saying this nation can not allow gay marriage, please think about this. Did God once tell us as Christians to condemn someone because of who they are? Or to criticize or bash them because they are different. No, we are to love all unconditionally. Homosexuality, yes, is a sin according to the bible. But so is gambling, prostitution, coveting, lying, lust, all things Americans do. It is not our job to correct our nation we live in, but to take what we are given, and to make the best of it, and to live your life caring, and loving, not with hatefulness. So before we all get rattled up on how it’s a sin and they are living a “life of sin” as some say, aren’t you sinning by pointing out someone else’s sin? So let’s stop being hateful, and love, because that’s what we’re called to do, love.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 7:58 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • paulypants
      paulypants

      My partner and I are getting married in June and just ordered our wedding rings from a wonderful Etsy artist, who is much more deserving of business than Jessica: http://www.etsy.com/shop/tinahdee

      Apr 10, 2013 at 8:08 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jwrappaport
      jwrappaport

      @2eo: Damn you’re good. You must be some kind of gay mafia consiglieri. *Angry email sent*

      Apr 10, 2013 at 8:42 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DarkZephyr
      DarkZephyr

      What the Marriage Equality movement is looking for is equality in the eyes of the law and of our Government. We are always maintaining to our detractors that we are not trying to force our views onto those who do not agree with us. We tell people “If you don’t like gay marriage, don’t get gay married”, etc. That message, in my humble opinion, gets sort of lost when we get too aggressive with businesses like this who refuse service to us. I am all for boycotting her, trust me. If we aren’t wanted, none of us nor our allies should give our money to these people, BUT I just don’t thing getting too publicly “outraged” and angry and up in arms over this is the best way to go about it. We support freedom, for one thing. She should be free to be as big a douche as she wants to be (just as we are free to snub her business), but lets not make martyrs of these people. That could just work to their advantage on several fronts. Marriage equality foes will just say “Oooh look, those queers ARE trying to push their agenda on everyone just as we have been saying all along!” and her co-religionists will just make her into a living Saint and hero and make us out to be the tormenting demons.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 9:09 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 2eo
      2eo

      Am I the only one getting sick of seeing these apologists for these disgusting, disgraceful, hateful, anti human people every time a post of them refusing to acknowledge us as people appear.

      I wish they’d fuck off. We’re sick of them, their politique has failed, and always will.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 9:13 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DarkZephyr
      DarkZephyr

      @2eo: 2eo, I am not an “apologist” for people like this at all. Nowhere in my post did I excuse what she did, and I also voiced my support for boycotting her. But I don’t think turning into EXACTLY what our enemies say we are is the answer to this situation. I am for being a little bit more dignified about this than sending cussing nasty grams and trying to strong arm her into compliance. The Right and our religious enemies will just use this against us.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 9:24 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 2eo
      2eo

      @DarkZephyr: Why aren’t you posting this in these threads?, why do you refuse to have a consistent opinion, and only pick your apologist rhetoric in easy posts where you can play the victim card?

      Threads like this one:

      http://goo.gl/kfXQr

      Or this one:

      http://goo.gl/eSe9C

      Or this one:

      http://goo.gl/4WrfG

      Or this one:

      http://goo.gl/FSOec

      Or this one:

      http://goo.gl/9gZwh

      Apr 10, 2013 at 9:28 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 2eo
      2eo

      Hooray for the completely arbitrary censoring of my posts. I can’t even figure out what word out of this list is forcing the post into moderation.

      I’d post a screenshot of my blocked post but I’m at work and they don’t like me using the metadata removal programs, and because for obvious reasons I prefer to keep my information in a concrete vault you’ll just have to have me ask without the links.

      “Why aren’t you posting this in these threads?, why do you refuse to have a consistent opinion, and only pick your apologist rhetoric in easy posts where you can play the victim card?”

      There was then a list of links to other articles on Queerty posted recently that I feel your cowardly victim card apologism would be better suited too

      Apr 10, 2013 at 9:39 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • alexoloughlin
      alexoloughlin

      I hope Ms. Fong would agree that gay businesses should be able to discriminate against ‘christians’ who are opposed to equal marriage simply because their’s conflict with ours?

      Apr 10, 2013 at 9:55 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DarkZephyr
      DarkZephyr

      @2eo: If your latest post is still directed at me, it makes no logical sense. I played no “victim card”, cowardly or otherwise. I am for being wise about this, how that translates to playing the “victim card” or being an apologist for homophobes is beyond me.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 9:55 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BritAus
      BritAus

      After “praying about the situation”
      FARK OFF !!
      Sorry I’m so sick of these nutjobs … “oh I don’t don’t know what I should do, I need to pray about it” Translation: “I’m so pathetic and weak that I don’t believe in myself I need to run to the church and let them make decisions for me”
      Stupid c*#t!

      Apr 10, 2013 at 9:56 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • alexoloughlin
      alexoloughlin

      @2eo: I just emailed her asking her to let me know if she would support gay businesses having the right to discriminate against ‘christians’ of her belief so that the residents of Walnut, CA can be alerted to her business practices. I”d be surprised if she responds.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 10:03 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 2eo
      2eo

      @alexoloughlin: I just passed on a list of her past products and services she offers to the Disney legal department. She has stolen from them, and she should be punished in accordance with breaking the actual commandment from the book.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 10:11 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DarkZephyr
      DarkZephyr

      Has she removed her items? I can’t seem to find what she sells on her etsy page.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 10:24 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 2eo
      2eo

      http://www.paledesigns.com/portfolio.html

      The etsy page is set up to drum up sales on the actual page, like a marketplace.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 10:29 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Gigi Gee
      Gigi Gee

      “I feel that designing a customized guestbook for you two will be against my belief and will mean that” I AM SUPPORTING YOUR SINFUL LIFESTYLE AND THAT I WILL BE SAYING IT’S OK THAT YOU, YOUR “WIFE” AND ALL WHO SUPPORT YOU WILL FOREVER BURN IN HELL. It’s not okay. Okay?

      That’s essentially what she’s saying. Nice to know that she actually took the time to discuss the matter with her pastor and gawd. That makes the pain of rejection much easier to digest.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 10:33 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DarkZephyr
      DarkZephyr

      @2eo: OK TY.

      I like the notion of going after her based on her inconsistencies and stealing. If she claims to base her discriminatory practices on “Christian values”, then she should also apply such values to thievery. I also liked what Caleb asked, about whether or not she applies these “values” to every facet of her life. Does she check to make sure EVERYONE she has any financial dealings with is heterosexual? I doubt it. I am not against hitting her where it hurts, I just think thought needs to be put into it.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 10:36 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tdx3fan
      tdx3fan

      I would much rather have someone refuse me their business and let me know that they are a homophobe than to sell me their product then donate my money to a homophobic cause.

      The owner has the right to refuse to sell based on her religious beliefs, and that is why the newer proposals for gay marriage laws all have religious exclusions. Personally, I think if you are that worried about your perfect day being ruined because you do not have the perfect guest registry cover then you passed Bridezilla a few steps back.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 10:39 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DarkZephyr
      DarkZephyr

      She has monsters on her iPhone wallpapers. Some zealots might say she promotes demons.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 10:40 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DarkZephyr
      DarkZephyr

      @tdx3fan: While I concur with what you say here, I think we have every right to boycott the hell out of her. Not just gays, who’s business she refuses, but our heterosexual allies as well. And calling her out on her inconsistencies is perfectly reasonable as well, in my view.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 10:42 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tdx3fan
      tdx3fan

      @2eo: Am I the only one that is getting sick and tired of seeing this site flooded with the “poor me” crowd every time something happens that the gay community does not like!?! Seriously, stop playing the victim. Someone refused to sell their product to you. Oh well! Buy it from someone else. There are a lot more problems to concern yourself with. Learn to pick and choose your battles.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 10:45 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tdx3fan
      tdx3fan

      @DarkZephyr: My guess is that he is talking about the stuff that people normally call him out on!

      Apr 10, 2013 at 10:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ottoman
      Ottoman

      @tdx3fan: “The owner has the right to refuse to sell based on her religious beliefs, and that is why the newer proposals for gay marriage laws all have religious exclusions.”

      –Clearly you have no idea how anti-discrimination laws work. Selling wedding books is a commercial endeavor, not a religious practice. The gay marriage law religious exemptions are fluffy unnecessary bits of nonsense meant to appease bigots. Churches, in the practice of their religion, are already exempted from performing marriage ceremonies for any couple they don’t want to thanks to the first amendment of the Constitution. Ms. Fong, with her stolen Disney art, is not a church.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 10:50 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tdx3fan
      tdx3fan

      @DarkZephyr: A boycott is one thing. Demanding that we cut off her head because of her beliefs makes us look truly insane and irrational.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 10:52 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ottoman
      Ottoman

      @tdx3fan: “Am I the only one that is getting sick and tired of seeing this site flooded with the “poor me” crowd every time something happens that the gay community does not like!?! Seriously, stop playing the victim. Someone refused to sell their product to you. Oh well! Buy it from someone else. There are a lot more problems to concern yourself with. Learn to pick and choose your battles.”

      And those stupid black men should have just eaten somewhere else instead of getting hosed down on the sidewalks in front of “whites only” restaurants.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 10:52 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tdx3fan
      tdx3fan

      @Ottoman: Truly you do not understand how the courts work. Any lawyer would have a field day with this one. Gay marriage is not legal in California at the moment. That opens a door. Also, the laws have sided with the religious organizations time and time again in similar cases. Also, gays and lesbians are not a protected class in the VAST majority of states, and your stupidity in regards to FORCING businesses to sell non-essential products to people they do not agree with is one of the reasons I have a problem supporting non-discrimination laws.

      Ask yourself this: Should a gay company be forced to sell its product to Westboro Baptist Church!?! It is the exact same concept!

      Apr 10, 2013 at 10:55 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tdx3fan
      tdx3fan

      @Ottoman: You are comparing apples to oranges (actually, you are doing worse but still). If this was more wide spread or the items in question were actually necessary to survive and it was a major company then I would be up in arms. However, this is a mostly isolated incident from a small retailer of an unimportant item. It really does not matter other than to allow gays to be outraged at yet another fake issue while ignoring real ones.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 10:58 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • continuum
      continuum

      @2eo: Thanks for the email link. Just sent her my thoughts regarding how wrong her actions are.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 11:57 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • continuum
      continuum

      @tdx3fan: Last time I check, the religious exclusions apply to churches and not to shops selling bridal books. Let me know the next time that this bigot conducts has church services and all purchases are actual charitable donations. A business is not the same as a church.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 12:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ottoman
      Ottoman

      @tdx3fan: Should a gay company be forced to sell its product to Westboro? Yes, since they are engaged in commerce. How about an ice cream truck refusing to sell to black kids because their firmly held religious belief is that the Bible says they should be slaves? Ice cream isn’t essential to life.

      But thanks for showing everyone how ignorant you are of the laws. Do you work for NOM, because you’ve got their fake religious arguments down pat. Ms. Fong is not a religious organization and she’s definitely not engaging in a religious practice by selling something for profit.

      There were plenty of places a black man could get a meal in 1955. But you continue playing Uncle Tom while others work to gain the freedoms you take for granted.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 12:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      This isn’t about being “Christian” if it was they wouldn’t do business with people who are divorced or people who were unmarried and not virgins.

      So enough that what phony excuse. It’s just simple bigotry.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 12:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lindsay
      Lindsay

      @Ottoman: we love you!

      Apr 10, 2013 at 12:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Futurehouse
      Futurehouse

      I reported her to the Disney Intellectual Property tipline.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 12:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DarkZephyr
      DarkZephyr

      @tdx3fan: I agree, I believe that we need to be calm and wise about how we react to this type of descrimination.

      @Cam: Excellent point, she is likely inconsistent in that manner as well.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 1:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alexa
      Alexa

      It’s good that people reported her to Disney for copyright infringement, they take it very seriously. Copyright infringement is actually theft, so apparently her Christian values don’t extend to the ten commandments.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 1:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joe
      Joe

      The thing about these “conscious clauses” that Christians trot out when they want to discriminate against gay people is that it goes both ways, no pun intended. I mean, if they get to discriminate based on “strongly held beliefs”, don’t we? I mean, can’t I then refuse service, goods or business to someone who is against gay marriage? After all, I feel very strongly about it. Would Jessica be ok with that? Somehow…I doubt it.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 1:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 2eo
      2eo

      @tdx3fan: So as well as hating Transgendered individuals and outright demanding they go fuck themselves in another post a few on from this article you also seem to have no grasp of not only actual law, but also accepted social inclusion and norms of the service industry.

      I think we can file what you think under “worthless”, as you clearly have serious self loathing issues with yourself so you can not be trusted to offer anything intelligent when discussing issues with people who are sure of themselves.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 2:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Thomas
      Thomas

      This is a non-story. A lot of to do about nothing. If a business doesn’t want my money, then there are others that do. Vote with your dollars! Move on…

      Apr 10, 2013 at 3:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MK Ultra
      MK Ultra

      For those demanding we “let it go” because “it’s unimportant”, have you ever heard the expression “give someone an inch and they’ll take a mile”?

      When you say to ‘phobes that it’s okay to discriminate against us in little ways, it becomes easier for them to demand a little more. Than a little more, and a little more until everybody has the right to discriminate against us for any reason.

      I’m not saying this is some major fight for us but hate is like a weed.
      You don’t mind until it grows and over runs your whole garden

      Apr 10, 2013 at 3:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • erikwm
      erikwm

      @tdx3fan: You’re pretty pathetic.

      If it is the sincerely held religious belief of a Muslim restaurant owner that Jews are infidels, can he refuse service to any Jew?

      No, he can not. Under the 1964 Civil Rights Act, that is illegal. Your religious beliefs do not give you carte blanche to discriminate in public accommodations against any class who disagrees with your beliefs. The 1964 Civil Rights Act does not currently cover sexual orientation, but it should.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 3:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 2eo
      2eo

      Hey. My post [No. 1] also contained the address of the company, why was the post edited?

      I know it wasn’t praising mormons and posting about how gay parents are bad [as seems to be policy here] but I feel I deserve an explanation for what is actually legitimate censorship.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 4:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ottoman
      Ottoman

      Looks like Ms. Fong deleted her website and Facebook page. Well done folks! Lets see if Disney still decides to take action, though we may never know unless Haggie Gallagher and her Marriage anti-defamation league decide to take up the case. Love to see Mickey Mouse stomp the NOMbies!

      @Lindsay: I love you too Lindsay!

      Apr 10, 2013 at 5:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 2eo
      2eo

      @Ottoman: Her facebook page and blog have received absolutely nothing offensive whatsoever.

      Seems she is rattled at the fact people out there are willing to call her on her bigotry. Maybe this will act as a lesson, bigotry isn’t acceptable, especially from a business.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 5:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Nicole
      Nicole

      I would love to help out if they are still in need. I started my Etsy shop after designing my own civil union ceremony. http://www.etsy.com/shop/thebrassdoor

      Apr 10, 2013 at 6:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DarkZephyr
      DarkZephyr

      @Nicole: Nicole, beautiful stuff! If my beloved and I are ever able to marry, I will definitely look you up. Thank you for being an ally!

      Apr 10, 2013 at 10:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cyn
      Cyn

      Small business can do as it likes. Not smart but there you go. She should have just declined for busyness and returned the money. Idiot.

      Apr 10, 2013 at 10:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • seraphimblade
      seraphimblade

      @DarkZephyr:
      Those who operate a business open to the general public operate a “place of public accommodation”. As such, they are forbidden from certain types of discrimination by law, including gender discrimination.

      If a given business refused service to a woman because she’s a woman, they would be on the hook for gender discrimination, and rightfully so. If a given business refused service to a couple because one is black and one is white, they would be on the hook for racial discrimination, and rightfully so. Why, then, should we not hold a business accountable for gender discrimination because they refuse service to two women because they are both women?

      Apr 11, 2013 at 1:24 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • kelehe
      kelehe

      I tried the link to her Etsy site and it says:
      “Uh oh! Sorry, the member you are looking for does not exist.”

      Apr 11, 2013 at 8:14 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Nicole
      Nicole

      @DarkZephyr: Thanks for the compliment! I started the business after I designed my own civil union from invites to reception. Luckily I had a good experience and didn’t have to deal with negative people.

      Apr 11, 2013 at 9:26 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • artb
      artb

      It’s amazing how suddenly Christians are supposed to accept everyone and everything no matter what the circumstance and people quickly quote the Bible, or rather misquote, in the hope they can convince others and themselves that being gay is a good thing. It was wrong when the Bible was written and it’s still wrong today so stop trying to shove “being gay” down everyone’s throat when Christians have values that differ from yours. America was founded on Christian principles and being a “mixed” culture does NOT mean we have to abandon our Christian principles. If you don’t like the values associated with being a Christian, then keep your mouth shut until you’re smart enough to know better. Just because someone doesn’t feel comfortable with providing services to gays, it does NOT mean they’re discriminating against them; they simply believe it goes against their Christian values; a right that seems to not matter to those against Christian principles and/or gays. Being gay doesn’t automatically give gays “rights” just as being a pedophile doesn’t give them rights do do what they wish either. The boundaries of right and wrong still exist, but they’re being blurred for the sake of convenience while attempting to make every situation seem acceptable. We were all put here for a reason, those who don’t or choose not to believe in God are only fooling themselves!

      Apr 14, 2013 at 3:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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