This man clearly walked across the GLBT picket line and walked into the event. Maybe the GLBT community will remember this betrayal the next time that they receive a request for donations from GAY INC organisations like MASS EQUALITY, and put them in the “spam file.”

MOVEMENT GUY IS A MENTALLY DISTURBED, SELF HATING LIAR!

(I’m really enjoying posting this. Thanks for the excuse. LOL!)

“Why is this bigot here posting ad nauseam?”

I keep asking myself the same question. Why aren’t people flagging him?

It’s apparent that you have not been successful in winning either Movement Guy’s heart or his mind. *wink*

Why is this bigot here posting ad nauseam? It’s disgusting. THis bigoted piece of shit is either a closet case or insane.

MOVEMENT GUY IS A MENTALLY DISTURBED, SELF HATING LIAR!

I’ve read the brief. Americablog was pointing out how incredibly insulting it was for them to use cases that involved incest and underage marriage to justify discrimination against gays and lesbians. It can be argued that Arovosis spun this a little bit to make it sound even worse. But it was still completely unnecessary and incredibly insensitive considering the context of the entire incident and Americablog and the rest of us are right to be furious over it.
You can set aside that whole incest/pedophile controversy–completely disregard it–and still find PLENTY of outrageous, ridiculous and terribly insulting things in that DOJ brief.
So why do you think you can discount our anger over it just by going after Americablog over this one point?

Is it ok for the DOJ to argue that it is ok for the government to deny marriage equality to gays and lesbians because it would SAVE THEM MONEY?
Is it ok for them to argue that gays and lesbians aren’t being denied marriage rights because they can always just marry someone of the opposite sex???
Is it ok for them to argue that denying gays and lesbians marriage equality DOES THEM NO HARM?????
The brief is odious and disgusting, especially when it comes from the administration of a “fierce advocate”; someone who says it is unjust, discriminatory and needs to be repealed.

So this whole “anti-obama wave” (which Obama has been bringing on himself over several weeks) is not just from a “misreading” of a portion of the brief, but from a very clear reading of the whole thing.

This really is much easier. I’m glad I thought of it, liar.

LOL. Wow. It’s really pathetic how you’re constantly having to resort to name calling because I disagree with your temper tantrum tactics regarding the DNC. You have chosen here and there to pick at things I’ve written without actually dealing with any of my arguments. Instead, my arguments are “lies.” And because I’m not willing to throw myself on the floor and scream and cry, I’m “self-hating.”

No reaction to the Law Dork post that puts the lie to the hysteria launched by Americablog. This whole anti-Obama wave has been launched by a convenient misreading of the DOJ brief to make it sound like the president was calling us child molesters. It’s not true. Read the brief, instead of marching in lock-step with a few bloggers looking to promote themselves.

For Qyueerty or anyone to suggest that we not support Obama is the most underhanded Neocoln trick I have ever seen . You can’t expect to get anything unless you do something but whine. There is not one solitary reason fro this kind of trash unless you are Republican reactionaries.”
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So overseeing the submission of a DOJ brief that backs up DOMA by comparing gay relationships to Incest is progressive? Just because the chicken pox are better than the mumps doesn’t mean I want to get either one!

And just so that everyone sees it nice and clear…

MOVEMENT GUY IS A MENTALLY DISTURBED, SELF HATING LIAR!

That’s no change from the status quo, really.

Democrats who cannot pass the legislation when they have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, a supermajority in the house, and the presidency might as well be Republicans.

We gave ‘em their supermajority that they demanded. Now, they either make good on their promises, or they lose it. Period.

“SICK OF IT!!!!!!!”

Good. Then get the fuck out of our faces.

WE’RE SICK OF YOU!

What part of that do you not get?

The Queen you are referring to was Donnie McClurkin.

Quack. Quack. ;P

What a straw man you set up there! I would be with Marjorie on that one too, if anyone had actually offered such a ridiculous choice. But you are the only one who framed the topic in that way.
Let me try to put it in a way that you might not misconstrue:
No money to Obama or the DNC until they make good on their promises. When Obama actually demonstrates that he is a ‘fierce advocate’ instead of just claiming he is, he gets our support again.
Give to candidates who actually walk the walk.
Is that so hard to understand?
And gays can already get married, smartass, we just want our marriages to have the same validity and benefits in every state and federally that ‘opposite’ marriages have.

BAH!

I was out on street corners fighting your precious HUMAN RIGHTS AND HUMAN DIGNITY in Conservative parts of CA and out of the MILLIONS OF GAY PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES…BARELY ANY SHOWED UP to stand beside me.

Don’t you DARE BASH OBAMA WITHOUT BASHING YOUR ENTIRE LAZY COMMUNITY!

SICK OF IT!!!!!!!

GODDDAM OBAMA AND NO GOOD DEMOCRATS! Its not fast enough!

Bunch of bitter, ungratefull Queens…all of you!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....17364.html

“It will start when I stake office” is not “It will be repealed when I take office.” I’m sorry if you can’t understand English.

Please continue the circular firing squad, some of us have actual work to do.

Wow. You’re dumb. You keep screeching about “lies” I’m telling. Name one. You don’t have an argument. You have a tantrum.

You equate bad policy as precedent for what you think is a good policy. You’re okay with transgender folks being thrown under the bus, just so you don’t can, what? get married?

As an actual lawyer pointed out, this whole shit storm was kicked up by Americablog’s distortion and hysteria about the DOJ briefing. Here’s something that should untwist your panties:

2. “Comparing us to incest and pedophilia” claim is overstated and does not withstand any serious, legal scrutiny.

This claim, to which I’ve previously objected, has been Aravosis’s claim to fame on the brief, with him taking credit whenever anyone uses the claim.

Here’s the actual line — yes, only one sentence, and not really even a sentence but just a list of cases (called a “string cite”) after a sentence — from the brief:

And the courts have widely held that certain marriages performed elsewhere need not be given effect, because they conflicted with the public policy of the forum. See, e.g., Catalano v. Catalano, 170 A.2d 726, 728-29 (Conn. 1961) (marriage of uncle to niece, “though valid in Italy under its laws, was not valid in Connecticut because it contravened the public policy of th[at] state”); Wilkins v. Zelichowski, 140 A.2d 65, 67-68 (N.J. 1958) (marriage of 16-year-old female held invalid in New Jersey, regardless of validity in Indiana where performed, in light of N.J. policy reflected in statute permitting adult female to secure annulment of her underage marriage); In re Mortenson’s Estate, 316 P.2d 1106 (Ariz. 1957) (marriage of first cousins held invalid in Arizona, though lawfully performed in New Mexico, given Arizona policy reflected in statute declaring such marriages “prohibited and void”).

These were three cases about marriages, which were valid in one jurisdiction, not being allowed under the laws of another jurisdiction. There is nothing further. The brief does not ever use the words “incest” or “pedophilia.” And, by the way, the American Psychiatric Association Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR), the standard for diagnosis, defines pedophilia as involving “sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).” Under that definition, there is not even a case involving pedophilia appearing in the brief at all — which is likely the reason that no mainstream publication has repeated that claim.”

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Crying that Obama is comparing us to pedophiles is the specious argument, as is your lack of knowledge about basic civics, like separation of powers. Please revisit your high school social studies classes for how the government actually works, instead of arguing for disastrous Bush-era policies to get your way.

There you go again, another 5-year old type statement. I half expect your next post will begin with

I know you are , but what am I!

My only consolation in this is that since he is such a pathological liar, it’s very unlikely that he works for a GLBT non-profit so the real damage to the cause should be minimal.

Then again, based on his arguments he could be Joe Solmonese….

By definition the Bully Pulpit is used in PUBLIC, not behind the scenes.

November 29, 2007: “As president, I will work with Congress and place the weight of my administration behind enactment of the Military Readiness Enhancement Act, which will make nondiscrimination the official policy of the U.S. military. I will task the Defense Department and the senior command structure in every branch of the armed forces with developing an action plan for the implementation of a full repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. And I will direct my Secretaries of Defense and Homeland Security to develop procedures for taking re-accession requests from those qualified service members who were separated from the armed forces under Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell and still want to serve their country. The eradication of this policy will require more than just eliminating one statute. It will require the implementation of anti-harassment policies and protocols for dealing with abusive or discriminatory behavior as we transition our armed forces away from a policy of discrimination. The military must be our active partners in developing those policies and protocols. That work should have started long ago. It will start when I take office.” (Senator Barack Obama to the Human Rights Campaign)

Every bullshit half assed stupid excuse you can vomit up. It’s never been nor never will be either or. Despite the two wars and the economy, he managed to reverse the ban on stem cell research and the mexico city policy.

You even lie as you whine about being called mean names. The inoculation theory that you espouse has been proved to fail every time it has been tried. Just to keep it within this administration, we heard that Obama was just inoculating the homophobes with McClurkin, then Warren, then Warren again, then by not mentioning H8, or Iowa, or Maine, or New Hampshire, etc…, and then by the DOJ DOMA brief, yet the religious right just keeps attacking nonstop. How many fucking shots of GLBT Opression do you think they need before their hateful disease goes into remission? What the fuck more can Obama offer them short of our genitals in a jar to make Damn sure we don’t fuck the wrong hole again? You know this but continue to push the lies. I’m asking why but you refuse to be honest and admit you’re working to keep us down.

Same goes for your asinine rebuttal on marriage. To be brief, your argument is that because a few vocal, yet ignorant, people say stupid things we are all assimilationists and you’re actually protecting us from ourselves by trying to prevent it. Sounds like a self-hater or a liar to me. I’m really thinking both.

And finally, back to DADT. You suggest that because Bush used stop loss to keep wounded and traumatized soldiers on the field that ALL stop losses would do the same. To anyone who got beyond the 2nd grade this is a specious argument at best. By issuing a stop loss to prevent GLBTers from being dismissed Obama could actually afford to bring back MORE of those disabled soldiers instead of keeping them in the field. Once again, you lie and distort.

So why don’t we come to this agreement: I’m an asshole and you are a lying, self-hating, paid shill for the DNC? Go back to your “lucrative job in academia” because you’re not helping any of us here at all.

Prove it…You do not know Obama is not working on this issue behind the scenes. Its a bit tricky considering we are fighting 2 wars and safety issues could come up.

Obama has made promises to the gay community and I personally think he has 4 years to fulfill his agenda. If you don’t want to vote for him again or give him money…then give it to another candidate.

These are two different stop loss orders and one can be enacted without enacting the other.

Besides, last I knew there is already a stop loss in effect that is being used to extend the time in service of military members.

Are you under the impression that a stop loss to suspend DADT would also keep other military members in the service beyond the time they signed up for? If so, you’re wrong.

But that’s a failed “timetable” strategy. State by state is a pathetic strategy. Unprecedented? That’s not saying much, “movement” guy. THe only use that has in a SC case.

We’ve just seen an unprecedented number of marriage victories at the state level, all part of the long term strategy pushed by movement leaders since 2000, so you tell me.

How pragmatic the “movement” has been, huh? Nothing to show for it accept defeat and humiliation. If that’s pragmatism and strategy, who needs it. The hell with pragmatism and strategy if produces results like CA and the doj brief.

I really don’t think there’s anything to admit, re: the DADT timeframe. I recall early in the administration many pundits speculating that DADT wouldn’t be taken on in the first term. Can you point to a statement by Obama or a surrogate that says “We will repeal DADT by X date?”

@Orpheus_lost:

Let’s start with the assumption that you’re an asshole. I have been polite and resisted name-calling through all of out previous exchanges, but – like anyone without an intellectual argument – you resort to insults.

You seem to equate pragmatism and strategic thinking with “timidity.” That’s your perspective. We simply don’t share it. The inoculation strategies I’ve referred to have been around issue unrelated to ours, but it makes me think he’ll be deploying similar strategies that will allow him to pass the laws we want. For examples, DOJ (with agreement that the brief was highly problematic) defending DOMA sets up the administration to silence pro-DOMA forces by saying they defended the law while it was in place while pushing for repeal (in the Congress).

Re: Marriage. I have seen on here and other blogs, a lot of sexual policing, e.g. “why are the leather guys marching in the parade” or “quick! hide the trannies, or they’ll make us look bad.” Perhaps you don’t recall how quickly trans people were thrown under the bus when ENDA was introduced during the pre-Obama congress. I do. And the same thing is happening to queer families that don’t fit the hetero-normative image of marriage. I see folks all the time, whose sexual history (and predilections I’m familiar with) arguing for marriage, while hiding how they actually live. And I say that being in a longterm monogamous relationship. Maybe, as Nancy Polikoff has argued we need something bigger than marriage that actually provides legal protections for how families (gay and straight) organize our lives. That’s something the movement used to fight for, but when activists introduced a similar working paper a few years ago, they were attacked by the marriage movement folks.

I find the military mostly abhorrent, but I do want those serving to be treated fairly so they can serve us best. My main issue, which you have ignored in post after post, is that stop loss is not the way to do it. Stop loss policies, have not only led to tens of thousand service people being horribly traumatized, physically and mentally, by multiple tours – some of them, I’m sure, are gay, but also let the Iraq war go on for years without a draft. A draft which would have ended the war with utmost speed.

Audre Lorde said – The master’s tools will not unmake the master’s house.

The rest of your scribbles are vain attempts to insult me, when, really, you don’t know me, my intellect or my contributions to the movement or community. You just disagree with me and feel the need to say nasty things to make yourself feel superior.

And, with that, I’m off to bed.