Obviously we don’t have time or space to discuss everything here (you’re welcome to e-mail me at home Cazgreat@yahoo.com)and thanks again. My head is as big as a room (maybe both of them :) heart heart…..

It is truly sad that people like Duttybarb and YCHTT just repeat endlessly what they hear without thinking but there is a long human history for that too.

I truly enjoyed your comment about “we didn’t come looking for you, you came here.” I don’t know if you saw his post, but he FINALLY answered “why are you here” and his reply was “why not.”

Anyway, it is a beautiful day – enjoy it!

OH, I think you despise science. It aggravates you.

Apparently, YCHTT’s teleprompter is busted! LOL

Thank you for the interesting comments you sent my way in your post no. 286. I get that you are an open-minded, reasonable man who is open to discussion and debate, not shutting people down as is the custom of YCHTT, SM and DuttyBarb.

I grew up in a Catholic home where the concept of God was a part of our reality. And, I guess that for a long time, I truly did believe the notion that God actually does exist, long after I dumped all of the religious trappings.

As I have grown older, however, I have come to question that notion more and more and I have to confess that I seriously question the concept that there is a loving, caring God that looks over and after each of us. The more I read and explore, the more I realize that there are just too many unexplained questions for me to support the belief in a higher power.

And, truth be known, who really knows? I cannot prove the non-existence of God, any more than YCHTT can prove that God does exist. Only when we die, will we get to know, and that would be contingent upon whether consciousness exists after our physical demise occurs. No one knows for certain.

That said, however, I hasten to say that I would never deny anyone the right to believe in the concept of a higher diety. If it give one personal comfort and strength and doesn’t interfere with my beliefs and rights, then I see it as being relatively benign and harmless.

Only when people like DuttyBarb & YCHTT come along, do I feel the need to say “Hey stop right there. I defend your right to believe as you will, but I will not defend your perceived notion that you have a right to tell me how I must live.”

If I choose to be a non-believer, that is my right and I still live in a country where I was given assurances by the Bill of Rights and the Constitution that my rights will not be abridged in any way, regardless of my personal beliefs, no more than the rights of Christians and people of other religious beliefs should be abridged. We are all equal under the law and we should be treated as such instead of being under constant attack from the “believers”.

From what I have seen of your postings, I get that both you and I are on the very same page. I respect your right to believe as you wish and I also get that you respect my right to believe as I wish as well.

And that respect is far superior to that horrible word the bible-thumpers like to use…tolerence, which to me, sounds like I am being “put-up with”. I hate it when people just put with me and would really rather just blow me off. LOL

It’s a pleasure exchanging dialogue with you, Sir. I look forward to your continuing commentaries.

It’s an unfalsifiable religious claim that just further backs up his contempt for science.

Science is man’s attempt to explain God’s work.

Bullshit! Another bold-faced lie. What empirical evidence do you have to back that assertion up with?

Next, you’ll be telling us that god put homosexuals here to wipe your shitty ass, because that is exactly what you are trying to do with us!

Just so you can try to rationalise your abnormal sexual yearnings and get your rocks off with some other guy.

Your responses become more assinine and deluded with each passing day.

Such a typical response from a straight homophobe like you. You can’t come up with a rational argument to any of the questions that have been put to you, so now you flatter yourself by thinking that any of us would want to get our rocks off with the likes of you.

I’d fuck DuttyBarb between her fat tits before I would even think of getting my rocks off with the likes of creep like you.

And while we’re at it, we didn’t come looking for you.

YOU came looking for us, closet-fag. And I use the expression fag in the same manner that a black man would call one of his own the “N” word; deprecatingly, demeaningly and with a total lack of respect for you as a human being because you have done and said nothing on these threads to earn any respect from any of us. You’re just a total POS!

Forget the tolerence, because I could never learn to “tolerate” the likes of you!

Hell, if it existed, would freeze-over first.

OH, I think you despise science. It aggravates you. YOu were slandering it in another comments section, talking about how love can’t be explained as a series of neurochemical reactions in another post, and talking about “creation” (opposing evolution)…you’re very hostile toward science.

I don’t believe Jesus said we shouldn’t use physicians to help us get better.

Science is man’s attempt to explain God’s work. Even though you deride the Bible and every major world religion you have no scientific explanation for Creation and all its wonders.

As Don King would say, “only in america” [would you find this much self delusion be expressed with a straight face]

1. You can find pheromone & brain scan study + Sweden with google search – start with NewScientist.com – which I already told you. However, they have become a pay site now, so you won’t get all the goods. Basically, I already told you that Gay male brains responded to the hormones in male sweat, which has no smell. How can one fake this?

2. Millions of eons of human existance shows many forms of sexual expression were acceptable in various societies.

For you to say otherwise, is to show your profound ignorance and anyone with a more than 3 particles of intelligence should stop reading ANYTHING you post NOW.

#277 Schlukitz- well, I certainly agree religion has been a negative force in many ways, but it has been positive too. And I think before you were here, I posited the idea that if religion were not the reasons for division of groups of people other things would be.

It took me a long time to realize I can still believe in God without all the relgious trappings, and you’re right YCHTT probably will never even acknowledge that is possible. Sorry for him and so many others – that his brain is so warped. I had a Great uncle the same way. He just wouldn’t acknowledge that there was any legitimacy of a certain very large church, and when I gave him a book about it, he read it, returned it to me (lest it contaminate his house apparently! supersitious?) and the first thing he wrote in his response was “The Christian Missionary Alliance church states the Bible is the sole rule of faith.”

Interesting, since the Bible itself doesn’t say this. We argued for years and I couldn’t get him to see the illogicalness of this. He was a great man, very tolerant, much more so than YCHTT, but I still couldn’t get but so far with him. Steeped like tea is a great description of his mindset. Sad.

I’m saying that for someone who despies science and enlightenement values as much as you do, you should eschew medical treatments borne of the scientific method and research if you are afflicted with an illness. Anything less is pure hypocrisy…rendering your faith meaningless.

I can’t wait for tank to give you his little lecture on being “rational”.

(psychology view)

Now you dare talk of the scientific research into human sexuality after admitting that you have nothing but contempt for science, and prefer mythology over it? I think you could at least be consistent. If you get cancer (god willing), see a faith healer not an oncologist.

Millenia of human wisdom? LIke that witches exist and need to be burned, and that the earth is the center of the solar system–that it’s flat and that women were created from adam’s rib? LMAO! That’s wisdom for ya.

Just so you can try to rationalise your abnormal sexual yearnings and get your rocks off with some other guy.

And why should we use it to reverse millenia of human wisdom and instinct?

YCHTT is not interest in rational debate. How could he be?

Religion itself is not rational, nor is anyone coming from religion rational.

Debate means being willing to hear out, perhaps even accept a viewpoint that is different from theirs and allow it change their entire way of thinking. Has YCHTT ever indicated any willingness to accept any of our viewpoint as perhaps being valid besides his church dogma?

Noooooooooooooo. And hell will freeze over before he does. He has been brainwashed by his Christianity to NEVER, EVER, allow anyone else’s viewpoint to sway him from his conditioning and the belief system that has been instilled into his head.

Debate means being able to use one’s mind to sift through information and come to a logical decision about various issues.
It’s the scientific way to draw conclusions about reality. Why do you think the church works so hard at trying to tear down and debunk down science and evolution?

As a believer, you do not debate the Pope. You do not debate the Bishops. And you do not debate the Priests.

You do what you are told like a good little boy/girl, or you will be excommunicated by the church to spend the rest of your life in isolation like a leper and when you reach the end of that miserable, lonely life, your soul will be tossed into a lake of fire to suffer for an eternity.

Compared to that, what do any of us have to present YCHTT with that is powerful enough to make him change his mind or make him reject the brainwashing his captors have subjected him to?

They are not believers. They are just stupid little gnomes who are terrified at the idea of going to hell. And the idea that there is no more meaning to life than simply living it and enjoying it and that there is no heaven, no heavenly father, no angles and no harps to “give meaning and purpose” to their sad and lonely lives” is more than they can deal with.

Unless YCHTT has an epiphany, he will remain their slave robotron, condemned to a lifetime of selling Jesus, God, heaven and hell to the dumb fucks who can’t think for themselves and need a bull-ring in their noses to be led around with.

I love many people and am loved by many in return, that’s who it tends to work.

I lead a mostly happy life and have been blessed to achieve most of the goals I have set, for which I thank God every night.

In case you didn’t know a research paper is quite probably ONE person’s opinion/research. It is hardly POLICY. Who did the research? How was it funded? These questions may be important too.

Answer the question about the pheromone study in Sweden……..

Anyone can grab a sign and claim they have the true knowledge, this is nothing new, but huge ever increasing numbers of Christian sects breaking away from each to form a new sect does seem to be an incredible phenomenon in America.

Keeping this in mind, simply mindlessly quoting the Bible doesn’t shake my foundation at all. Timothy says women aren’t supposed to talk in Church at all AND keep their heads covered. Hardly anybody does this anymore!!!

Clients have the right to pursue change, the author says, because “sexual orientation, once thought to be an unchanging trait, is actually quite flexible for some people.”

How much better the world would be if the energy used fighting by homosexuals would be used to stop wars etc.

Whereas I always address his every point. But I’m done now.

THANKS

Asking YCHTT to answer any question concerning same-sex marriage is merely presenting him with yet another opportunity to verbally pistol-whip you with his tired argument that homosexual marriage is really just another plea for normality from people who are obsessed with abnormal behaviour.

How can you logically and intellectually argue with someone who constantly invokes Godwin’s Law to shut down the conversation?

Arguing with insanity is a complete waste of time.

Read some history – there were homosexual balls (dances) in NYC and New Orleans over a century ago, hidden bars and clubs all kinds of things, it just was hidden from YOU.

So again, unless you prepared to pull all rights from people who don’t think exactly the way you do, you’re on very shaky ground, legally.

Again I say, you’re flailing against the tide. How much better the world would be if the energy used fighting homosexuality would be used to stop wars etc.

And you never did answer the pheromone question (Brain scan studies done in Sweden – DUDE – being Gay is NOT a choice). Behavior yes, I can be a celibate Gay guy, but my feelings are not up for discussion.

The demise of marriage since relaxation of divorce laws makes us extra wary about making a similar mistake again.

Just because the moral fabric of society is rapidly unraveling doesn’t mean we should hasten the process by redefining marriage for homosexuals.

Legitimize children? You better get a grip – I already have addressed this many times – what about the 10′s of thousands of children born to unwed parents, who likely will never marry?

You will note I’ve never said you can’t have an opinion different from mine, what I am saying is your hypocritical to have it IF you are voting for constitutional amendments to ban SSM IF you are also not working to ban unwed parenting, divorce and everything else the Bible prohibits.

If you’re not planning to outlaw divorce etc., why not?