He's a smuck. Using Diaz's own logic, that putting civil rights to a vote, marriage equality would loose. Well, if it were put to a popular vote, Ruben Diaz would be: sent home (Puerto Rico) OR made a slave.
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I guess gays shouldn't have to pay taxes if we can't get married. They want our money, but they won't let us love freely. I am so glad I live in America where they believe in "freedom", like letting murders, child molestors, and rapist get married while behind bars. But hey it's just gross that two citizens, who pay taxes, physically harm nobody can't do that.
At least Diaz had the guts to stand up and make his argument. Not a single other of the 33 against had the guts to stand up and make the case against the bill. I despise those cowards even more.
We need to target every single democrat and republican who voted now. Donate to any primary opponants that run against them, every general election opponants they have. They want to vote against us, fine, we have your names now and we'll be sending money to anybody that runs against you.
I love how in the end they were able to call on President Obama's position on gay marriage and use it as cover.
I hope all these Obama apologists now realize why the gay community didn't want to wait when the gov't had time to act. Now they are all afraid of the midterms and the upcoming elections.
I really think we need to stop being pussies about this and start engaging in civil disobedience. Its time now to stop politely asking for our rights and start demanding our rights. Did the folks at Stonewall quietly ask for people to start respecting LGBTQ people or did they demand it.
The Republicans are a lost cause, they have swung so far to the right that no Republican in their right mind would support marriage equality because they would risk losing their seat to a conservative. We need to target the scumbag Democrats who voted no, same as with healthcare reform.
No Hiram Monserrate (D) Upholding "traditional values" like beating the shit out of your girlfriend, slashing her face with a broken glass, dragging her thru the lobby by her hair (on video) and then denying it ever happened. Convicted scumbag.
Ruben Diaz and his Father have been the accused of time an time again of breaking laws. Yet these hyprocite scumbags keep getting elected…………
Unfortunately as we all know, it takes decades for many civil rights to come about and its usually the courts that make it happen. I love the idea of work stoppages, f-ing with the marriage laws (can you get married in Mass to a same sex partner, then go to Texas and marry in "opposite marriage" since states don't have to recognize each others marriages?) and other hijinx. Unfortunately, except for the potential collapse of our economy, there isn't much anymore that wakes up the masses. Mom and dad gave us all too much. And of course many, many lgbt can hide in the straight world or deny who they are so we appear to be a smaller group than we really are. We'll get there but its unknown when. I'm more disappointed in New York (and New Jersey) as we pretend to be trend setters of the world and yet we're upstaged by Iowa and New Hampshire.
No one else is thrilled about this? I am. For so long, we were not allowed to know who the enemies of equality were. Now we do. Now, we can work to get them voted the hell out.
Part of me wants to run against my Democratic State Senator. He voted no…in an area where more and more young gay couples are moving now that Manhattan has become financially impossible to live in.
I'm finished with the Dems for good, no more votes. I'm seriously considering a move to Connecticut, ideally Canada. I can no longer live in a state that votes against my rights and equality. I will not spend one more penny or cast another vote for a democrat in this state, and definitely not for Obama in 2012. We're damned either way. Fuck the lot of them.
A lot of those bastard dems who voted no live in conservative areas. Don't expect them to be defeated any time soon, they've won and so has that evil cunt, Maggie Gallagher.
I'm a native New Yorker and my Fiance is from Canada. I would have liked to get married in New York State, so it would be easier for my family & friends to attend the ceremony. After watching most of the senate voting against my right to marry, it only makes more sense that Canada should be my new home. This is a very sad day for LGBT New Yorkers right now.
I'm here in NYC and very depressed. I swear I never want to vote DEMOCRAT AGAIN. I may change my mind but what is the point? Next Year I'll be voting green. I'm maybe throwing away my vote but heck at least I'll be true to myself and maybe the so called progressive party will get the message when they are voted out of office. Again another example of the Left doing the work of the Right.
It just becomes more clear to me every day that this is really going to come down to the Supreme Court. That's why we have to put up with the Democrats on this. If we don't keep Obama in power enough to appoint at least 4 justices (replacing the 3 liberals plus one more), we are screwed for DECADES. Sorry but its true.
I hope Ginsberg and Stevens retire and are replaced before 2012…if a Republican appoints one of their replacement, we're set back decades.
This is not only a sad day for NY's gays, but a sad day for NY democrats who will undoubtedly lose significant support for their lack of leadership. They've already lost my vote, along with my partner.
Nothing will ever get done until the christian mindset is domesticated and put in its place. With the state facing budget problems (as always), it would have been logical to increase revenue by allowing gay marriage, but I guess politicians are in the business of bullying these days. In NY, where I'm from, it really is the case of the blind leading the blind.
I'm tired of people using their religion as an excuse for their own bigotry. I don't see any of these "Religious" Senators introducing bills to outlaw divorce or adultery. I don't see any of them introducing bills to stone women or abuse children. Those are all mentioned in various religious texts. No, but they are fine with using their religion to vote against any gay rights. Enough already, just admit your a bigot and be done with it.
8 Democrats voted against LGBT Equality. Maybe now we can all agree that "party affiliation" is not the defining indicator – religion is.
Sooner or later we need to acknowledge that religiously created beliefs are non-negotiable. Lobbying is a complete waste of time and money. Instead, we have two choices:
1) Change the politician, or
2) Change the minds of their constituents.
Figure out how to do that and we may actually be able to obtain equality.
I'm tired of the religious bigots having full representation (at our expense) without taxation while we languish paying our fair share of taxes and getting fuck all in return.
I just wrote my local congressman and Senator Chuck Schumer telling them that they can kiss my vote goodbye forever. I'm sick and tired of all of them. I dont care who supports us either. NYS stands to lose millions in much needed revenue as most of us who want to marry will be heading to Connecticut or even Canada. I'm no longer going to help the NYS economy by spending as much as I do. We need a massive demonstration in this state spelling it out loud and clear to the Dems, we've had it with them and we're not taking it any more, they can go fuck themselves. We're damned either way if they're in power or not. Fuck HRC and Joe Solomonese, Tom Duane, Empire State Pride Agenda and all the other ass-kissing democrats. I hope they all go under.
And until we become violent and scary, nothing will change.
The straights only respond to violence.
Agreed. If this happened to any other minority, they'd be rioting in the streets. The Black Panthers did more to advance racial equality than the NAACP.
We gays have failed to take the Demcorats to task. We've been the obedient useful idiots. It's time we told the Democrats we longer support them. Let's take our votes elsewhere.
A lot of the gay pride groups are simply fronts for the Democratic Party. They will issue soothing words to assure us that we shouldn't be disappointed and that gay marriage will eventually come. Yeah, right.
My message to gay pride groups is this: fuck off. We no longer accept your sleazy shilling for the Democratic Party.
Here's the thing. We can wait until next time and try and appeal to everyone with sweetness and nice pleas for equality, or we can go on a major offensive that lets groups like the Mormons (NOM) and the Catholic Church know that as long as they keep coming after us, we're going to stop talking so much about "marriage equality" and start talking constantly, everywhere and at every available public opportunity– ads, editorials, talkshows, protests– about why there should be public investigations into secrets those groups DO NOT want the nation to be talking about: for example, the Catholic Church's role in covering up sex abuse and the Mormon's repulsive history of racism– just a couple of starting points, there's many more– and we're going to talk and talk and talk and talk about those things until every man, woman, and child in the country could practically write a dissertation about them.
… until we let the groups who are always coming after us know that every time they try, we're going to burn them badly, and not through some polite "debate" about whether or not we deserve rights, but, instead, through the most public discussions possible about THEIR sins, not our lives. NOM made a lot of serious threats to NY lawmakers about what they'd do if those lawmakers voted for marriage equality. Let's let NOM"s bosses in Salt Lake City know what a real threat looks like: the threat of constant exposure and bad press about subjects where they, not us, are vulnerable. The Mormon leadership hates the spotlight, so I say: it's showtime, boys!
We have extra cash, if we're not donating so much to the DNC and such. We have the means to make it terribly uncomfortable for the people who have no qualms whatsoever about coming after us. We just have to have the willpower to stop being on the defensive all the time and take a harder proactive approach: our goal should be to let them know in no short terms: you come at us, we are going to WRECK you.
If the GAyTM is closed for HRC and the DNC right now, I know where I think that money ought to be going, and its not into producing more nice speeches begging for equality or more sweet ads with lesbian couples and their sad-looking kids pleading for people to be nice to them. The money needs to go to a place that forcefully tells our enemies: STOP. or ELSE. They want "moral" campaigns, with ads, emails, ballot initiatives, etc.? Okay, how about a proposal for a ballot initiative in California declaring that the Mormons history of racism– like going to court in the 1970s to keep blacks out of leadership roles in the Boy Scouts– be taught in public schools? It won't stand a snowballs chance of passing, but, man, the public conversation that would be all over the news on that one would leave the Mormon leadership peeing their pants in utter panic. The bad press for them would linger for a generation. And the GLBT community could smile and wave and say: You want more? Keep coming at us.
This is not for the mere sake of revenge. This is specific strategy, and one gay leadership needs to actively consider, as it's likely the only one that's going to work in this political climate. You have to give your opponents a reason WHY it's not a good idea for them to come after you. Right now, they have none. They suffer no real consequence, and, in fact, coming after the GLBT community works as a nice fundraising opportunity for them.
Let's change that game. Let's give them something they truly have to worry about. I guarantee if we truly took such an approach seriously, a lot of this well-funded opposition would suddenly become a lot less vocal and a lot more shy, and start to dry up. They'd suddenly find a different social issue they were suddenly, by gosh, obsessed with, and we just might start to get our rights.
What you're saying is interesting. However, most New York gays are more interested in sex with total strangers in dark cubicles. That and dance parties and taking party drugs.
What you have is a collection of hedonism-addicts who aren't the least bit interested in gay rights.
Another,in an increasingly long string of wins for the religious right.
That the civil-rights of any minority group that is discriminated against in our country can be voted away by the people doing the discriminating, is truly disheartening and disgusting.
what a shameful dated country, i thank god every day that i don't live in it. land of the free and equal opportunity indeed,
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–noun 1. a person who pretends to have virtues, morals, or principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.
It has been said that the best defense, is a good offense?
So, why are we always on the defensive and never on the offensive like the religious right?
The religious right has always been on the offensive and that is not likely to stop. Like you, I say that it is time to change our strategy and go on the offensive ourselves.
Why are we not paying any attention to the Olsen-Boies lawsuit? Thats the last and best hope we have left. Like someone else said, let's hope a conservative justice dies so Obama can put a new liberal one in.
If Justice John Paul Stevens and Ruth Bader Ginsberg were in their thirties and in good health, I would switch to Green party. Republicans are slimy, but Democrats are weak and slimy.
Brian, not for long. There's a movement there too, 20 people at a time are meeting in houses and they want to replace any politician or judge that voted for gay rights. Here's a good recipe for politicians:
Those of us who live in New York are not surprised by this at all. The idiots in Albany are a bunch of backwater schmucks who couldn't care less about an issue that only has resonance in the city. With the exception of NYC (where I'm from), the state of NY is incredibly conservative.
Personally I don't expect to see gay marriage to become a reality in New York during my lifetime (and I'm only 25). My advice is to not allow the government's acknowledgement, or lack thereof, of us as citizens to run the decisions we make in life. Vote libertarian. Eliminate the chance of the state to "recognize" ANYONE's marriages. The state doesn't belong in our bedrooms anyway.
>The idiots in Albany are a bunch of backwater schmucks who couldn't care less about an issue that only has resonance in the city. With the exception of NYC (where I'm from), the state of NY is incredibly conservative.
6 of the 8 Dem "no" votes were from Dems representing a city borough…most (4) from Queens, of all the funny coincidences. The other two represent the Bronx and Brooklyn. So much for the progressive city folk theory.
The NY Court of Appeals (New York's top court) is now the key in that state. Three of the judges have already said that marriage is a right that gay couples have, and that the state must allow same-sex marraige. The other four ruled for the gay couples, but decided they didn't need to 'reach' the marriage question. When the marriage question is squarely before the court, I would be surprised if all four rule against it.
In the mean time — Thanks for the list of NY Senators who want us to give money to their opponents.
I used to be merely heterophobic. From this moment forward, I am a gay supremacist.
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Epic win for the Divine quote. The New York Senate has been convicted of Assholism, and they need the same punishment Connie and Raymond Marble got. I'm not kidding.
@43 Lance Rockland:
Not only should the Filthy Mormons' history of racism and anti-Indian genocide be required to be taught in schools, but so should the Filthy Catholics' role in the Holocaust.
@57 Shea:
I'm voting Libertarian from here on in and will be actively working to strip breeders of the freebies they get for the "marriage" licenses they don't deserve. And I will also be working to get rid of the taxes from which they get benefits.
No special rights for breeders!
Start spreading the news: New York sucks. Jets suck, Mets suck, Giants suck, Yankees suck. The movie versions of Broadway shows were all better than the originals. Your cab drivers should all be on the no-fly list. Your real estate is overpriced. Your taxes are too high. And the people there are assholes. If New Jersey is the nation's armpit, New York is its armpit sweat. I knew deep down that New Yorkers were a bunch of self-righteous, pushy assholes, but this confirms it. If I had to choose between living in New York or Texas, I'd choose Texas. Lower taxes, no draconian gun laws, no attempts to regulate the ingredients of food, actual evidence of nature, same level of equality.
I am boycotting all things New York from now on. Hey, Indians! You want it back? You can have it back for free. Keep the 24 bucks and the beads.
I love Connecticut, and not just because I was born there.
Love the justification Diaz used to justify his no vote, he said Obama has the same belief on gay marriage as he does. Once again, Obama helps the no votes justify themselves with his silence.
Don't fall for the idea that the city of New York is open-minded. Far from it. There are a couple of enclaves where you won't get bashed – probably one or two streets. The rest of the city is homophobic.
Our brave gay brothers organized for their rights and changed things. Is anyone else out there interested in organizing? For something forceful and with a bit of peaceful civil disobedience? Please let me know.
Adam, in Maine this was not the case. I can remember one time at the dinner table I had told my family I was agnostic. My father gently said something to which I had replied, "It's just a crutch." My father was one of five children from immigrant parents. My grandfather was Greek and my Grandmother came from Ireland. They came to America when times were tough. Either you sank or you swam. There were no safety nets back then. They were one of the couples who had succeeded. The mother had died unexpectedly in her thirties. Misdiagnosed. My Grandfather had all of these children, several businesses, and was devastated by the loss of his soul mate. My father was five when she died. He saw house keepers come and go. In his five year old brain, these maternal women seemed motherly, but then they would leave, get married, go away, leaving him crushed. He even went so far as to clean the house and be really well-behaved, so that they wouldn't leave. My Grandfather had many friends, one of whom was a Monsignor at the local Catholic Church. It clearly wasn't a good situation, so the Catholic Church took him under their wing. They taught him so much. He took to it like a duck to water. They were Holy men and wise, not molesters, thankfully. He became an altar boy and never let the Church far out of his sight. Now, fast forward to this 16 year old punk at the dinner table spouting off about being an agnostic. My father was not an emotional man, shut down, really. He rose out of his seat and said, almost breathlessly, from some place deep in the pit of his stomach, the place where opera singers pull music, "You've never needed Him!" I had never seen him so bothered. Muscles were twitching in his face that I had not known existed. He was right. I had two beautiful parents who loved each other and didn't fight, I grew up in a museum of a house (my mother's thing), I had lovely siblings, a labrador, a cabin, food in my mouth, safety, all of the things that he didn't have. Mostly, I didn't have the fear that he had growing up. He relied on God in ways I will never be able to fathom. After Prop 8, I was so angry. Reports that the impoverished communities voted against same-sex marriage were coming out. One day in the shower, this memory came back to me of my Dad. I realized that many of these "blacks" grew up in situations that would give us night terrors. They likely cling to God like a life raft. Until we know this kind of desperation and fear and spiritual yearning, it would be best if sensitivity prevailed. Comments, words, are too powerful not to use with empathetic prudence. Sorry for the trip down memory lane peeps.
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But I agree with you.
I deal with people who lack so much empathy and self refection it's scary.
Very capitalist.
Colonisation by the Whites-France, Britain, Spain, Italy and laster USA in the 20th C-completely broke Africa.
Desmond Tutu said the best quote-
“When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said "Let us pray." We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land.”
#68 MICHAEL LETTERMAN: PLEASE DO NOT POST ANY REPLIES TO THIS ASSHATS POSTS. HE RUNS THRU THESE THREADS LEAVING HIS POO THROUGHOUT. OK MICHAEL WE SAY YOUR POST. NOW BE THE GOOD LITTLE BITCH THAT YOU ARE AND TAKE YOUR 350lb. ASS OUT OF YOUR BASEMENT APARTMENT IN YOUR MOMMY'S HOUSE AND AFTER YOU ARE DONE GETTING A BLOWJOB FROM HER GO TO YOUR FAVORITE CRUISE AREA AND GET BAREBACKED TONIGHT LIKE ALL SELF HATING FAGS DO……..
PopNsnap: You have the right idea, we need to wait till the elder rightwing-nutbag zealots basically all just fuck off and die (literally!) As to the Supremes baring a sudden death we are shit outta luck on that one. John Paul Stevens (89) and Ruth Ginsbure (76 w/cancer) are likely the next to go and they are among the liberal wing of the court……………..
I guess our last/best hope is the Supreme Court in a few years. I would hope that any gay diagnosed with terminal cancer would take one of those Conservative Justices (like Antonin Scalia) with him/her before it came up for a vote! ;)
Those who are saying Fuck the Democrats need to realize 75% of Dems votes FOR Equality… while 100% of Republicans voted AGAINST Equality.
Sure, target those Dems who voted against equality, but most importantly target the Republicans.
Also, NYers should be thankful to the Dem caucus for forcing a vote to unveil who should be targeted.
Lastly, ALL should write a letter to Obama stating that his position allows coverage to HIS adversaries in their position, and remind him that his adversaries are not the ones who will get him reelected.
Dear John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's), I loved the Desmond Tutu quote you posted, "“When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said "Let us pray." We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land.”
You had asked why I stay on a site like Queerty. It's the posters I enjoy the most. The greatest fiction writer in the world couldn't come up with these characters. I learn quite a bit too. I have two new words in my vocabulary thanks to these boys. Actually several, but two that are for special occasions.
You have far to much empathy, self reflection and perception-WHAT are you doing commenting here!!???
And you apologized for the trip down memory lane? You nearly had me in tears. Your post was beautiful and I want to thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for sharing it with us.
You are an inspiration to those of us who regularly read and post on these threads. Would that we could aspire to your level of thinking and your eloquence. The compliment once paid to me comes to mind.
Schlukitz, I hope you are feeling better today. It bothers me when you hit the doldrums. My black baby kitten had to go back home today. Jane, one of the Girlie-Q's meowed inconsolably at the loss of her panther friend. I'm sort of in a funk too. She's next door, so I can still see her, but our house is a little emptier without our 6 month old house guest. So how goes it in New York? Any rallies? Riots? Rants? Florence, the other girlie-Q will not let me write tonight. She's missing panther-gir' too. Take care.
John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's), Just focus on the good in people. It makes for a happier, healthier life. I'm shocked on occasion, but it's like colors on a palette, without the darks, the lights wouldn't shine as brightly.
Ok Boys no need to respond to me I'm still riding the high of being right. If a democrat infused state like NY sees things my way I can only imagine how it will go in less liberal states.
The time has come and one by one
your lifestyle will be undone
the law has spoke and it sides with me
and all I have to say is YIPPEEEEE!!!
I wanted to be able to congratulate Robert and the other New Yorkers who were looking forward to being treated like equals.
But as usual a combination of right centrist Republicans and right centrist Democrats screwed us over again. The Clinton legacy lives on in Diaz and Obama.
We need marriage equality in spite of the fact that marriage is not exactly the best way to partner up. Partnering should be free and easy to get in and out of. The tax and other benefits now reserved for straights couples should be open to everyone, including single people. Except for matters relating to protection of women and children the state really has no legitimate business interfering in partnering.
Beyond that, the cults have absolutely no business interfering with partnering, whether it’s civil partnerships, marriages or civil unions. In other countries severe limits are put on the cult’s interference in civil and political matters. We need some of that action here.
The cult’s opposition to SSM ought to be muzzled and they should lose their unfair tax exemption. Why should we be paying taxes for archbishops and televangelists who live in mansions and get driven around in luxolimos?
The things that create the most revenue for the deadbeats called priests, pastors and ministers are raking in money on marriage, donations from deluded people, unfair tax breaks and bribes from the Obama administration disguised as funding for ‘faith based’ charities. Part of our fight for civil equality has to be to take away their financial base.
But an even more important part is that we have to break with Democrats and sellouts who want us to wait a few more years to get our agenda. Democrats and Republicans alike are our political enemies.
Do you work for HRC or something? If we hadn't chosen party over principles we may have fucking had the goddamn votes years ago. Why should Republicans help us when we flocked to the Democrats and expected them to make fucking magic happen? A uni-partisan movement makes it easier for the other party to attack us. And maybe our supposedly wonderful organizations who Do So Much For The Cause™ should have actively helped pro-gay marriage Republican Dede Scozzafava against her bigot opponents (including anti-gay Democrat Bill Owens who won)?
I'm thankful to both the Democrats and the Republicans for reminding me why I'm voting Libertarian for the rest of my natural life. This is proof positive that gays (nor any minority) cannot rely on the government to protect our rights.
Homosexuality is a moral good. That it is a barrier against overpopulation alone should be enough reason to justify it.
My sincere apologies for attributing something you said, to my friend InExile, although I am certain that he is thinking exactly the same thing.
I was typing without my reading glasses and EnExile's post was immediately above yours, which was what made me think that he made your very observant commentary.
Were it not for for the limited number people like you, InExile, 1EqualityUSA, Terrwill and a couple of other posters who know who they are and with whom I have established a nice report, I believe I would have long become like you…a lurker who doesn't comment very often.
Be that as it may, while your comments may indeed have become limited, they are choice and right on the money when you choose to honor us with them. ;)
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Thank you kindly for your warm words of consolation. They meant a lot to me and are very much appreciated, especially on this particularly sad day, when our community has suffered yet another setback.
Having been brought up in the country on a farm, in upstate New York, I can relate to your obvious affinity with and love of animals. They do bring so much joy into our lives, do they not? They work their way into our hearts with so little effort and when they are no longer with us, the loss is, indeed, inconsolable.
With my here, there and everywhere lifestyle, I am prevented from keeping a pet, either here in NYC or at my home in Florida. My hubby and I do, however, have two wonderful pets in the Philippines…a black lab named Wizzard and a zest-for-life filled mutt named Bantay, who loves Wizzard and keeps him in check. Both are males.
Bantay, incidentally, is the Tagalog word for "guard". lol A fraction of the size of Wizzard, some guard dog he make, which is why we gave him the tongue-in-cheek label. ;-P
As to how it goes here in New York, well, truth be known, I have been on the Internet for most of the day and all I know of the dismaying rejection of SSM by the New York Senate, is what I read here on Queerty.com and Towelroad, the two sites that I spend most of my spare time on.
Janero, my painter, turned friend, turned room-mate and I will probably be turning the TV on when he comes upstairs from painting on the second floor, to watch the 11:00 o'clock news with me. No doubt and since it is New York TV, there should be a considerable amount of coverage on the the New York Senate vote. It will be very interesting to see what the concensus of public opinion is.
Film at 11:30 as Werner used to say. LOL
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This is why I stopped voting Democrat 10 years ago and looked at the independent categories. it started with the Clintons playing to the gays and then tossing us on the train tracks. I respect Republicans for staying true to who they claim to be. the Dems on the other hand take our dollars and then do nothing for us.
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Queerty: are you happy now? you keep pressing the government to do something, and this is what happens when it's not the right time! And this is why DADT hasn't been brougt before Congress yet.
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There is never going to be a "right time". We have to make the "right time". Nothing just happens at random, it happens because we put our heads up and fight for what we believe in.
We have the choice to do it now. Yes, right now. We have to choose between activism and partying. Which is it going to be?
You don't win equality by spending all your energies and time on party drugs and dance clubs. These things are pure indulgence. Nobody has ever won any rights on the basis of party drugs and dance clubs.
Time to ditch the drugs and dance clubs, guys.
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It's been years since we made any progress in New York. Considering the administration has been Democratic for much of this time, it's truly fascinating.
It suggegsts that we've been hoodwinked into voting Democrat without really having anything done in terms of increasing our rights. Either we've been asleep at the wheel or we've been wilfully ignorant.
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Schlukitz,
My partner and I took a Tagalog class before we bought our house. After we bought our house, classes, "just for fun" went away. I was getting good at it. My co-workers grill me on it. I like to learn odd stuff like, "I can't believe it's not butter." They eat that on their toast. Next, I want to learn, "Kills millions of germs on contact." Eventually, it would be nice to say, "In America, everyone is treated equally under the law." Paalam Po
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Now that we've suffered this huge loss and I was under no illusion that we would win, unlike the idiot Tom Duane who predicted we'd win by a very narrow margin and that the votes were there, brace yourselves for the November 2010 election. Its going to be a republican governor who will veto any bill coming across his or her desk. The closet republicans in the democratic party who voted for discrimination and bigotry will make sure that a republican will be the next governor of this state. End result……….zero equality for decades to come. Time to ditch the democratic party once and for all. I dare say Obama is jubilant at the outcome of this vote since he's fiercely opposed to marriage equality. He's part of the problem unfortunately. Expect NO repeal of DADT either. Supporting the democrats is only empowering the bigots who voted for second class citizenship.
Our Greatest Strength is Also Our Greatest Weakness…
Why should the birthright of equality for tens of millions of GLBT American citizens first depend upon getting a majority of people to stop hating them? There would be a tidal wave of blood flowing in the streets and entire cities set ablaze if any other minority' s rights were put up so callously for majority approval by a lynch mob disguised as a so-called "public referendum".
The concept of a Bill of Rights and a Federal Constitution which originally guaranteed inalienable equality and unimpeachable rights is truly dead in America. Human equality and civil rights in the United States now mainly depends upon how popular you are with your local neighbors who have been, for the most part, brain-washed by the various perversions of the Christian religion into hating you — that is, if you just happen to belong to the GLBT community.
As I stated before, the most primal, gut-level reaction to that kind of invidious injustice would be to understandably strike out with fury and outrage against your oppressors. Yet, like millions of other civilized people before us — witness the millions of Jews who walked meekly into the concentration camps, and to their deaths, in Nazi Germany– we too are victims of our own civility.
Ironically, the gentleness and the Christ-like benevolence of the GLBT community is our greatest virtue — but, sadly, it can also be our greatest weakness too.
If I was a religious type (which I am not) I would suspect that there are far more homosexuals in heaven than homophobic bigots. Just remember JC's own words: "That which you do unto the least among you, you do unto me."
Ol' Satan must be stoking Hell's fires in anticipation of the YES on Discrimination and NO on equality votes cast by State Senators' in New York tonight. Hell's anxiously awaiting these loathsome hate-mongers (as well as NOM, Bible-Nazis in the Catholic Church, Evangelical Tele-Scumbags, Islamic Murders, Mormon Bigots, etc.) and all other perpetrators of hatred against their GLBT neighbors across the world. So – my advise to them – be sure to stock up on mega doses of Oxycontin (Rush Limbaugh knows some great suppliers) and bring a cooler with you — you'll need it.
And don't let the oven-door hit you in the ass on the way out.
As far as I'm concerned, the NYS democratic party has written its own death warrant. I don't give a damn who controls this state any more, we lose either way.
Stonewall Democrats in NY, begin finding primary challengers to EACH of the 8 Dems who stuck a knife in our backs.
ANY queer NO voter in NY, we will expose you, and your career is OVER!
This proves how backward NYS is. We couldn't even get it passed. Even Maine was able to get it passed initially and did a better job even though it lost by a small margin on the referendum. We lost by a huge margin, one quarter of the votes needed. I can't believe there are hundreds of thousands of gay voters in those districts where the 8 bigots reside, enough to get them voted out of office. HRC and Empire State Pride Agenda have now become irrelevant and useless, just like the DNC. My advice….stop donating to them and stop supporting the democrats. Its clear there was no arm twisting to get the 8 who now call the shots on equality to change. Not one republican of course voted for the bill, to be expected which doesn't say much for Mayor Bloomberg, the primary source of income for the state GOP and who allegedly was supposed to get a few moderates on board. I wonder what Bloomberg ass-kisser David Mixner will have to say about that? Never trust a politician, especially a democrat.
Wow! I didnt expect it to lose in New York of all places. Guess you never know?
I think the Congress should step up to the plate on this and resolve this problem. People will never be trusted to do the best thing when if left to their own devices.
I think religious groups should have a real beneficial meeting with lawmakers once and for all.Its obvious this is a blackmail. Apparently they want the absolute protection to protect them from acting outside their beliefs on anything that has to do with gays. Honestly, i say give it to em. Let them not hire gays, process adoption for them, house them or whatever. That is what they want.
Once they get this they will back off. i dont think they will really bat an eyelash on who gets married to whom anymore under law so far they dont have to accomodate it under their religiosity. They wont care.
God, this is really a disappointing piece of information. NY FAIL INDEED
Can anyone think of any gay rights legislation that has passed in the state of New York while there's been a Democrat governor or Democrat-controlled House? I can't think of any, certainly not in the last 30 years.
As for this attempt to legalize gay marriage, it was a stunt by the Governor to make us think he's on our side. He knew well in advance that the numbers weren't there.
Naghanenu, I couldn't sleep last night. Religious groups won't back off if we "give them protections allowing them to legally discriminate. In my tossing, I thought of how perfect this conflict is for the Obama administration. Since we are all doing battle with one another, fewer are scrutinizing Obama's every move. What a fantastic red herring, in this case, "pink" herring. All eyes are on each other and not him. This is advantageous to his administration. Audrey Hepburn, when she was very young, lived in the Nazi-occupied Netherlands during World War II, Belgium, I believe. I remember her telling a story about how all of the Jews were being harassed and were forced to wear black arm bands. She relayed that many of the non-Jewish people in her town took to wearing these arm bands as a show of support for their oppressed brothers and sisters, which was scary. The Germans couldn't tell who was and was not Jewish. Perhaps the gay and sympathetic straight communities need to indicate, rather boldly, the desire for all to have equality. Could you imagine how powerful that would be? People would be showing up for mass with some bold symbol on their person, a slap in the face to all who enjoy legislated discrimination. Bravery comes in many forms. The more people join forces, the less powerful the oppressors become.
I think this also proves how much Governor Paterson underestimated the bigotry in the democratic party, almost as bad as the GOP and how Tom Duane and others were duped. How on earth does that idiot come up with…"the votes are there"? I also think Paterson knew they weren't there either. Malcolm Smith was absolutely right but nobody listened to him.
Personally, I think the entire strategy was wrong for getting it to the floor for a vote, irrespective of weeding out our enemies. We sort of knew who they were. This should end up in the state supreme court for a decision. The bench needs to determine if civil marriage is a right, privilege or benefit and whichever it is, if it extends to the majority, then under the equal protection clause of the constitution, it must also apply to minorities. That's the only way out of this. Further, if the court were to determine it is a right or privilege, it negates the need for the legislature to have a say in matters of rights. In addition, if the legislature passes bills and there happens to be a governor in opposition, he or she should be compelled to sign a bill and not be allowed the power of veto.
What happened yesterday was the NYS democratic party voting for no representation for LGBT people but with full taxation. There is something intrinsically wrong with that and it needs to be addressed, over and over. Religious beliefs should not be allowed to trample on civil issues and its about time religious cults' full representation be reversed and compel them to pay their share of the tax burden which we shoulder if they want to continue advocating for legal discrimination and segregation against us, a violation of their tax-exempt status. Time to get tough on all levels and go after these bastards with every weapon at our disposal.
As for Ruben Diaz, how does a religious cult leader get to be elected to office? I bet his cult pays no taxes.
1EqualityUSA, I didn't sleep either so I had to get up.
On May 26, 2009, former city comptroller William Thompson issued a report stating that if same sex marriage were legalized in the state, it could expect to gain at least $210 million within three years. In a state currently in financial crisis bordering on bankruptcy, it now looks that all of that revenue will now end up in Connecticut and elsewhere. Its obvious the 8 bigots don't care about the financial situation affecting the state. It also impacts virtually every aspect of the services industry in the state, florists, printers, stationers, hotels, catering establishments, travel, small business that would gain the most in a recession. Its a nice chunk of change to pump into the state coffers but I suppose our state no longer needs it. So lets spend and spend in Connecticut and in other more progressive gay friendly states and countries including any donations we might have sent to the DNC and other useless organizations who are only interested in making money first and foremost as well as attending fancy galas to pat one another on the back while they're stabbing us in the back from the get go.
Robert, NYC, Prior to same-sex marriage equality in Massachusetts, the pressure on "decision makers" was intense. It's unnerving to have seemingly powerful anti-gay forces making a "visit" to the office. Letters go out too. They even sent out blackmail letters to businesses prior to prop 8. Weak-kneed politicians cave into this pressure.
Dear RobertNYC, I have always felt that their was a financial component to this discrimination. It costs money to be fair to the oppressed and ensure that they are given the benefits and legal protections that heterosexuals now enjoy. So, even though, in the short term, revenue would be up, in the long term, some dark figure in a smoky room crunched the numbers and decided to let this abhorrent discrimination carry on for as many years as possible.
1EqualityUSA, the same tactic was used here in NYS. Not one republican voted for us because of next year's election prospects, following the defeat in Maine and California. Not even Bloomberg could get the handful of moderates on board that he thought he could. We're damned either way. Religion trumps everything in this society and in this state. Politicians will sell their souls to shaft us just to pacify their larger groups of constituents and protect their careers. Ironic that the democratic party voted against us but not surprising. We now have to stop allowing them to take our votes for granted. If NOM and other hate organization are now controlling equality issues, then the dems are going to pay a high price for inaction. Next November, no votes should be cast for any democrat eyeing the governorship or any other elected office and who is a foe of equality and definitely NO financial support should be forthcoming from us. Absolutely NOT! That message needs to get out there, NOW.
1EqualityUSA, absolutely, a financial component is always at the root of it. Take away that from the dems and you'll see a different reaction. They need to learn a hard lesson and we need to get extremely tough with them. We've failed dismally in that area no thanks to HRC, Empire State Pride Agenda and the DNC, apologists for delay on ENDA, DADT, DOMA. I predict ENDA won't get passed before 2012 and neither will DADT. Forget about DOMA, not going to happen after yesterday's disaster, a severe setback for this state and for the marriage equality movement.
I'm using my Obama Tee shirts as dust rags now, too embarrassed to wear them out in public. The blue is great for polishing metals too. Like I said, if Justice Ruth Bader Ginberg and Justice John Paul Stevens were in their thirties and healthy as horses, I'd bail on the Democratic party.
Exerpt from Comptroller Thompson's report, "Thompson further noted that since domestic partners of New York State and City employees already are eligible for health benefits under the law, it’s unlikely that the public sector would incur additional costs due to spousal health benefits if marriage for same-sex couples if legalized." Post #111 of mine is speaking Federally, not locally.
1Equality, I'm with you. I've already bailed on them. They've lost me and my financial support for good. My partner and I will spend our money in Connecticut and we've actually discussed selling our home and moving there. Why help out NYS? Doesn't deserve us. Serves it right. It can go to hell for all I care.
@Adam: Racism much? I watched the debate and the majority of Senators who came to the floor to speak in favor of the bill were black or hispanic. The votes against us were almost all white. Ruth Hassell-Thompson and Eric Adams were particularly eloquent African-American supporters.
Keep your peepers on Iowa. You know, "where the corn grows as high as an elephant's eye".
A change in the political balance favoring Republicans in the state legislature could put same-sex marriage on the ballot.
I'm soooooooo glad my partner and I (of 35 years) were married (Sept. 13, 2004) in a legitimate democracy which truly respects human rights – Canada.
Too bad we're both too old and poor to move there now from Kansas. I guess the closest we'll ever come to Canada again is when the geese fly back over our heads next Spring; heading home to the best country on the North American continent.
No. 75 • Trey says Sure, target those Dems who voted against equality, but most importantly target the Republicans.
Trey, why not be honest. There are lots and lots of bigoted Democrats we should target. Beginning with Obama, who galvanized the christian-bigot vote in California with "gawd's in the mix" and did his level best to pass Prop 8 and take away SSM rights we'd already won.
Then go on to Obama's VP, Biden. He voted for DOMA and never repudiated it. And add Tim Kaine, an anti-choice, anti GLBT Dixiecrat and a bigot. He along with Leah Daughtry, an ordained pentecostal bigot who's rabidly anti-LGBT, run Obama’s DNC. And don't forget Rahm Emanuel and the Democrats in Congress who refuse to repeal DOMA and show no signs of passing ENDA or repealing DADT any time soon.
And don't forget fatherly old liberal Attorney General Eric Holder who files brief after brief in defense of DOMA and DADT using vile lies claiming we're child molesters and etc. And don't forget John Berry, the highest ranking homosexual (don't even think about describing him as gay or queer) in the Obama WH who’s the WH point man in yet another defense of DOMA.
And last but not least go after Josh Dubois, another ordained pentecostal minister and bigot who organized Obama's outreach to christers last year and got christian scum like Warren and McClurkin on board for Obama. Dubois is now in charge of passing out billions of dollars through the WH office of 'faith based' to bribe pulpit pimps.
Given all that, it seems clear that the Republicans are bad the Democrats are just as bad and that people who still support the Democrats are in the last closet, the political closet.
They should come out and enjoy the fresh air of political independence
@Leanleft: There is no group called EQNY. The Pride Agenda wanted a vote, even if they were going to lose, so they would know where Senators stood. Too many Senators were being two-faced or fence sitters. Their release after the vote basically said now we know who you are and we're coming after you, haters.
@Steve: The NY Court of Appeals has already ruled that there is no constitutional right to marriage in New York. Google Hernandez v. Robles. They will not fix this.
The case you're referring to is about whether or not New York must recognize out-of-state same-sex marriages. That may eventually be decided in our favor by the court, but it will only protect the status quo – you can BE gay married in New York, but you can't GET gay married here. You have to go elsewhere and come back.
Rainfish….actually, a GOP comeback in Iowa is inevitable. NOM has vowed to overturn it once that happens an believe me, it will happen. NOM and the other hate groups are far more powerful, wealthier and outnumber us. So far, they're enjoying incremental success. If we were that organized we wouldn't be having this discussion and NYS would have passed the bill yesterday. We have the wrong people leading us and no democrat has the guts to stand up to the bigots in their own party let alone the cults who support them financially. Useless organizations such as HRC and Empire State Pride Agenda are in denial about a lot of things, one of them being that NYS is a trendsetter on social issues. It is NOT, other states and countries have proved that to be false. Its only NYC that is liberal, head outside the city and you have a very conservative, red-type of state with a strong roman cult presence the further upstate you go. I very much doubt if a democrat will be the next governor of our state.
Most independent voters recently polled, the largest voting bloc in the country, have said they'll not vote democrat in 2010. Given that situation, if Lazio wins the governship in November and probably will, there will be NO marriage bill passed because republicans automatically veto equality legislation with impunity. Nothing will change that.
Bill, you are so right about that. The problem with a lot of gays who support the dems do so because they have no faith in voting independently and insist that voting for a third party is a waste of a vote. They've bought into the notion that only the democratic party can win them their rights and that the two party system is the only one that works. If millions of us stopped supporting the moderate conservative party called Democratic, then maybe we'd stand a chance of getting our equality by pouring our energy and resources into parties that actually do support us. The democrats only support us when an election is imminent, they take our money and run, then stab us in the back in the final hour of decision making as we've seen with Obama, among others. Time that ended once and for all and a good time is NOW.
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Sen. Hiram Monserrate – who voted against us – already has a primary opponent who has voted FOR marriage equality twice in the Assembly. I suggest we all send him some $$$ now, give him some volunteer time later, and make sure he wins:
Sam, if that's the case then if the state issues marriage licenses as a privilege, then wouldn't equal protection similarly apply to the offended minority? Aren't we supposed to have the same privileges?
If the courts can't help us, I see militancy rearing its head. It may be the only way to get what we want. Civil disobedience that we saw in the 60s maybe our only option. If we're not going to get our full equality, then we should demand a reduction in our taxes, including city taxes for those of us who live here, or exempt us since we clearly do not have full representation in the state. We are being taxed without any representation, unlike the religious parasitical cults who pay nothing but get far more protection and far more rights than we do.
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Further, those same sex married couples in states where it is allowed should should also demand no federal taxation since they are barred from any of the 1000 or more rights at the federal level. Again, a case of no representation with full taxation. I don't understand why useless organizations like HRC, Empire State Pride Agenda and Lambda Legal Defense Fund aren't exploring it.
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@Robert, NYC: It's all very complex, but basically the state can deny equal protection if it has a "rational government interest" in doing so. The New York Court of Appeals found in Hernandez that the state could have a rational interest to "create more stability and permanence in the relationships
that cause children to be born" or in promoting households where children are raised by opposite-sex parents. This "rational interest" has already been rejected by courts in more conservative parts of the country – including explicit rejection by the Iowa Supreme Court in their marriage decision – so it is possible that the NY Court of Appeals could reverse it's decision in the future, though I doubt they'll revisit the issue any time soon.
As for the federal marriage recognition issue, that lawsuit has already been filed by GLAD: Gill vs. OPM
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Just for the hell of it, I recommend that New Yorkers who live near Connecticut, Vermont or Canada, if at all doable, do all of your shopping there. I'm not too far from Connecticut so on weekends, I will endeavor to drive there and do all my shopping for each and every week thereafter and make sure I even buy gas for the return trip, every little bit that I can do to make sure NYS doesn't get the bulk of my hard earned dollars that have contributed to schools and straight couples' childrens' education, among other things. Why contribute to our state's economy when we've been legally banished to second class citizenship without full representation? If some of us resolve to do that, we will have an impact on local businesses and the economy overall. The say knowledge is power, well, so is money. Its time to flex our economic muscle to get our message across that we won't be used any more or taken advantage of. Hit them where it hurts, in their pockets and coffers.
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"We always sing about our country being the land of the free and the home of the brave. If you don't have the courage to speak about your position, then how can we not call you a coward."
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Dear RobertNYC, I've seen many people die in my lifetime. Those nearing death always rally towards the end, fooling families on numerous occasions. The dying appear to miraculously get better right before they go. It got to the point where I would warn families about it, so they would understand what was happening. This surge in the legislation of discrimination and the Tedious Right appears to me to be one of those last hoorahs before the end. Constitutionally, discrimination cannot be tolerated. So, NOM-sters rally, click your heels, berate the oppressed, but know that your time is near. I've seen it before.
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Further to my last post, I encourage everyone across the country, BOYCOTT NYC and NYS, stay away as a protest. When taking your vacation inside the U.S., avoid coming to our state. Spend your money in Connecticut, Vermont, Massachusetts and New Hampshire, or if you want a foreign destination and can afford it, spend your time and money in Canada, Spain, Belgium, Holland, Norway, Sweden or South Africa. Help us hurt our economy here in NYS, ditto for Maine and notify your local congressmen and women, senators, whoever is supposed to represent you.
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Already done, RobertNYC, I even stopped buying Linda Greenlaw's books, (Maine) as she, as far as I could ascertain, didn't say a word against Maine's discriminatory "Question 1". I stopped giving to HRC too. The only organizations I give to now are NCLR (National Center for Lesbian Rights), Americans United for Separation of Church and State, and D.A.V. (Disabled American Vets). Everyone else can go fish.
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1EqualityUSA, thanks so much. I appreciate it. I've just notified one of my representatives who voted for the bill, Senator Toby Stavisky informing her what some of her constituents plan to do in regard to shopping in Connecticut and elsehwere to hurt our state economy and to punish the party for allowing eight bigots to dictate the outcome of the legislation. I'm sure she'll respond once she reads it. I'll let readers know as soon as I hear from her. Similarly, I've notified my local Congressman.
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There's a fantastic documentary about the woman who created the Vietnam Veterans Memorial wall in Washington D.C.(One of many pieces she's created.) The artist's name is Maya Ying Lin and she's so amazingly talented. I wish the queer community could talk her into creating a work of art that would list the names of every bigot who oppressed us. The sun will shine in our yard too, RobertNYC and when it does, brilliant artists like Maya Lin will be there to represent the pain endured by our community. I want the names of every politician, every NOM-skull, every Tedious Right who participated in this American oppression to be clearly legible on this queer memorial. Some day Americans will be shaking their heads in awe, just as we do now over the Japanese internment camps. Every artist needs to devote at least three pieces of work to this message, in whatever medium they work. We must never forget our oppressors.
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1EqualityUSA, whatever it takes, I'm for it. I strongly believe though that our economic muscle is one option we can use as referenced in earlier posts. Money talks, talk doesn't. If Solmonese and Capelle are worth their salt, neither of whom I like, let them earn their keep that they're making off of some of us and use the same m.o. that I'm recommending to everyone. They have in the past gotten us absolutely nowhere fast. If they want more support from us, then they'll both need to grow a pair, big time, and fast. Other than that, I have no use for them and expect nothing from them.
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#146 Mr Schlukitz, humihinga pa sa awa ng diyos. Tamad na babae. Lazy today! I have a work run starting tomorrow. Petting Florence is my only occupation today. Relegated to one-handed typing, my left bicep is going to become larger, simply by supporting the weight of this cat. Yesterday, Jane slunk down over the back of my neck and fell asleep, straddling my C-7. At the risk of, again, opening up our community to accusations of bestiality, I wish HATErosexuals loved us as much as our kitties do. Animals are spiritually superior, by far, without even trying. Good day to you, Sir.
How unfortunate that I should have domiciles in two homophobic states, Florida, my main residence, and the family home on my mother's side that I just inherited from my deceased uncle in 2007.
Were it not for the sagging real estate market, and the blood-bath I would have to take were I to sell them at this time, I would put both places up on the market and retire to the Philippines with my partner for good.
We may not have the right to marry down there either, but at least, no one is collecting money, campaigning and calling for laws to outlaw gays, make second-class citizens of us, criminalize us or imprison/execute us.
It may not be perfect, but at least I can live with it and sleep at night.
I am relieved to learn that you are still breathing, with the grace of God. Karamihan ay nagpapasalamat para sa. ;-P
Lazy today, perhaps…but lazy woman? I highly doubt that…being lazy, I mean. LOL
You seem quite conversant with Tagalog. I dare say that your understanding and command of it far exceeds mine. While I can exchange a few polite pleasantries in it, I am far from fluent.
Because of the American occupation of the Philippines during WWI, English became the unofficial, official language there and it was during that period, that English began to be taught in the schools in addition to their native languages, of which there are many, as you no doubt are aware of.
Consequently, most younger and middle-aged people all speak English in addition to their own mother tongue, which pretty much takes the pressure off of visitors and foreign ex-patriots like myself, to learn the language. It is only the folks in my age bracket, who do not speak it and at time like those, I must rely on my hubby for assistance in translating.
My partner and I lived in Cabanatuan City, were he was born and lived with his family until I came onto the scene. LOL
For the first three years of our trans-oceanic relationship, we lived in a duplex there and everyone we knew, including his family spoke Tagalog, which is also the language spoken in Manila.
When we moved to the coast in La Union, we quickly discovered that everyone spoke Ilocano in that area and even my partner must resort to speaking English there, since no one understands or speaks Tagalog. LOL
So, in a real sense, the two of us are like fish out of water living where we do. However, the natural beauty of the area, the friendliness of the locals and having a sweeping vista of the China Sea from our house, plus the gorgeous sunsets, make up for any losses me might have incurred by moving up there from Cabanatuan City four years ago.
We will be celebrating our seventh anniversary come this New Years Eve.
One of my favorite posts submitted by "Dennis":
wrote on May 14, 2009 9:54 PM:
" I grew up in the Philippines where 97% percent of the population is Catholic and the rest is either Muslim or other denominations. I went to an all-boys school run by Jesuits outside of Manila. Our science teachers would teach us about evolution while our religion teachers would discuss about the biblical creation. Religion and science teachers would never debate on the whole evolution/creation issue nor I would hear any religious parents complaining to the school board about their son or daughter being exposed to something against their beliefs. Public schools also teach evolution and sometimes they would invite priests or nuns to talk about God creating the whole universe. Everyone was just there to learn. No one complains, no one gets offended. Its too good to be true but yes, in the Phillippines they teach evolution on a religious run school!
I also never heard of a school back home denying admission to anyone who is gay, even if that institution is run by a religious organization. I also remember my school (run by Jesuits) had a very good volleyball team most of the members are gay. Also gay students can freely congregate anywhere in the school without being harassed.
When I came to the United States I was very surprised that there is so much fuss about evolution being taught in schools and homosexuality. And I’m more surprised that a lot of religious people are very vocal about their beliefs here. It’s more like “I am right and you are wrong” attitude.
I am also shocked that people here are getting killed or harassed for being gay. Believe it or not, in the Philippines most town (even the most rural) celebrations or fiestas would have gay beauty pageants, and yes even the town priest and public officials would be given the front row seats!
I am now married with 4 kids, I now live in Connecticut. My family is Catholic but we believe in the rights of all people including gay marriage. We have some gay friends who are married and I can vouch to all the people out there that gay marriage hasn’t affected my marriage at all!
p.s. there is a strong movement in the Philippines now that would make it the first country in Asia to legalize gay marriage. And also, the ban on gays from the military has been abolished long time ago.
I still dont know why we cant do the same thing here. "
Ahhhh New York the city that never sleeps and now the city that proves the fag agenda to pervert marriage will not sully the land.
You keep thinking your a "protected gender" there are but two genders male and female. People do not get "sexual rights" so you deserve no more rights then the idiot in Japan who married an anime character. You want to have that right… move to Japan.
While your living here abide by the rules of this land. Boycott NY all you want. But if you're going to do it do it right. No New York fashion, no television which films in NY.. yeah that's right no more 30 Rock for you, etc. Or you can quit your complaining and try and fix the problem.
Your not rejected because of your choice of sex partner, what is rejected is the outrageous gay lifestyle which endorses some rather disgusting things.
I told you this would happen long ago, you didn't believe me then, you probably won't believe me now, yet the proof is there in the headlines.
Believe it or not, in the Philippines most towns (even the most rural) celebrations or fiestas would have gay beauty pageants, and yes even the town priest and public officials would be given the front row seats!
Thank you, 1EaqualityUSA for sharing Dennis' thoughts with the rest of us. What he speaks, is the truth.
I can substantiate that first-hand. My partner and I attended just such a paqeant last year in the small, rural city we live near in northwestern Luzon. It was held in the public plaza and I could not believe the sheer size of the crowd. Not only was each seat taken, there was barely standing room for us to find and the entire audience, without exception, was wildly enthusiastic and supportive of the gay performers. Not once, did I hear an anti-gay epithet or slur tossed at anyone, either on the stage or among the crowd.
I could not imagine anyone in the Philippines stooping so low, as to toss a dildo at a performer on the stage, as occurred at an Adam Lambert performance here in the States recently. That would be entirely unthinkable and the dildo tosser would be cooling his heels in a jail cell for having done so.
As an American who has lived with bigotry, hatred and discrimination all of my live in this country, I was totally blown away.
Everything Dennis had to say in your quote of his comments, 1EqualityUSA, is entirely true. Not a day goes by when I am in the Philippines, that I do not see both young girls (and boys as well) holding hands or having their arms around each other shoulders in a display of friendship and comaraderie with each other.
Over the past seven years that I have traveling back and forth between the USA and the Philippines, I have found the populace to be some of the warmest, most caring and supportive people I have encountered anywhere on the planet, and I have traveled extensively in my lifetime. And, like Dennis, I too am shocked that people here are being harassed or killed just for being gay.
Robert: such a potty mouth but considering what you use that mouth for I guess it really doesn't matter.
As for my being ugly, why are you fags so fixated on what I look like. I'm neither ugly nor georgous, not thin nor fat. I'm not short or tall not hirsute or bald. I'm fairly average in looks. I execell in other areas though.
Robert: I hope you wipe your shit off your partner's cock before you suck on it, but I doubt in the "heat of the moment" you remember to do that.
You are a shining example of why we, as a society, will continue to deny any "special" rights to your kind. In fact recent history shows a delcine in this concept rather than any forward movement. I am only suggesting you refect on this while you dream up invectives about my wife.
If you need to hate me for the truth I speak do so, if you need to hate me because I dare speak the truth, then find comfort in your ignorance.
I think gays need to take it easy for a while. This year end marriage battle is getting emotionally exhausting even for a straight man.
I really think, for now, you should accept the all but marriage offer. Yeah i said it. Marriage is a word…religious groups want it? Fine let em have it. It does not take away the love for your partner or the life you have together. If they can give this to you with all the benefits of marriage, take it for now. Let people get used to the idea, let them see gays are not freaks or monsters who want to defile an age old institution. More minds will change this way.
People vote against gay marriage because they have a NEGATIVE picture in their mind for the union. Change the picture..change minds
wikipedia:"The repeal of "separate but equal" laws was a key focus of the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 60s. In Brown v. Board of Education, 347 U.S. 483 (1954), attorneys for the NAACP referred to the phrase "equal but separate" used in Plessy v. Ferguson as a custom de jure racial segregation enacted into law. The NAACP, led by the soon-to-be first black Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall, was successful in challenging the constitutional viability of the separate but equal doctrine, and the court voted to overturn sixty years of law that had developed under Plessy. The Supreme Court outlawed segregated public education facilities for blacks and whites at the state level. The companion case of Bolling v. Sharpe, 347 U.S. 497 outlawed such practices at the Federal level in the District of Columbia.
Even though the policy of separate but equal education had been overturned, it would be almost ten more years before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would extinguish the social policy of separate but equal. Additionally, in 1967 under Loving v. Virginia, the United States Supreme Court declared Virginia's anti-miscegenation statute, the "Racial Integrity Act of 1924", unconstitutional, thereby ending all race-based legal restrictions on marriage ("anti-miscegenation laws") in the United States.
The phrase "separate but equal" has been more recently used by supporters of same-sex marriage [4] to argue for full marriage rights for same-sex couples.
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Naghanenu,
Many are fighting to completely eradicate any benefits entirely, even 25 percent is being disputed. Tommy News of New York said it well:
"Civil Marriage is Completely Separate From Religious Marriage! As long as the government codifies and makes laws about Civil Marriage, all Americans must be included in those laws equally regardless of gender. Anything less is discrimination. Civil marriage has nothing whatsoever to do with religion or religious marriage. Civil Wedding ceremonies can be performed by town clerks, mayors, judges, justices, sea captains etc. without any religious involvement whatsoever. After the government issues a Civil Marriage Certificate, churches are then free to bless those unions or not as they so choose. There are plenty of tolerant and Progressive churches that will. "Judge Ye Not, Lest Ye Be Judged"! (Tommy News of N.Y. posted this on August 12…I liked it.)
This is a matter of principle. The Constitution cannot support one set of Americans being entitled to benefits and withhold those same benefits to other Americans, because they are unpopular. It won't fly in a court of law.
Others: Stop thinking equality has anything to do with "sexual preference" if "sexual preference" was a right then we'd have to allow for the marriage of all other sexual deviance. This will not happen in this country. People who think of gay marriage realize that it is but the next step into allowing the freedom of any sexual devient group to demand their own rights.
No. 172 · Michael Letterman: TO ALL PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS ASSHAT. HE HAS SUDDENLY APPEARED IN THESE THREADS LIKE SOME ANNOYING 3 YEAR OLD WHO CRAVES ATTENTION. IGNORE HIM AND HE WILL GO AWAY….
MICHAEL HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I TOLD YOU???? ITS TIME TO DRAG YOUR 350lb. FILTHY ASS FROM THE BASEMENT APARTMENT IN YOUR MOTHERS HOUSE. WE ALL KNOW YOU HAVE MOMMY ISSUES FROM ALL THE TIMES YOU AND MOMMY HAVE BEEN "VERY CLOSE" (or is it Daddy in your case???)……..ONCE YOU AND MOMMY ARE DONE TODAY GET INTO YOUR '83 TARUS AND DRIVE TO THE LOCAL CRUISE AREA WHERE YOU WILL AGAIN GET BAREBACKED LIKE ALL SELF HATING FAGS DO……..ISN'T IT AMAZING I KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT YOU WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING YOU??
In 1987, homosexuality was removed from the DSM as a mental disorder. Ergo, since no illness or mental disorder exists, referring to it as a sexual deviancy is unfounded and a disingenuous lie.
Unfortunately, since evolution, the laws of physics and cold, hard, scientific facts like geological artifacts, radio-carbon dating and similar empirical evidence of homosexual behavior in other classifications of the animal kingdom, is, more often than not, dismissed by the flat-earth folks as "junk science" or "hog-wash".
Such people cannot and will not be "confused" with the facts.
Terrwill: ROFLMAO still think I'm the one with issues? I'm as happy as can be NY voted with me.
You seem so fixated on my parents and myself ignoring completely the validity of my argument. This speaks reams about your lack of conviction. As far as you are concerned your childish taunt amounts to a soapbox oration while I look at it as what it is the rants of a verbally challenged lunatic.
There are as many scientists who think homosexuality is genetically based as those that think it is a "defect" or error in the psyche. No matter what the root cause is, one thing it is not is the "norm". Either belief in creationism or evolution would suggest that homosexuality was not the intended end result. Without the (I believe you call them "breeders") the species would disappear. Therefore homosexuality has to be a deviation from the "norm" and as such a perversion of what is normal and accepted.
No where else is this more evident then in some of what is posted at this website. Both in content and comment I've found all that one would need to prove the deviancy which homosexuality finds titillating.
wrong, sexuality is not just for reproduction. It is a bonding element used between the genders to express connection. it isn't that clinical mother theresa. fuck, just die off already.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT ENGAGE MICHAEL LETTERMAN. Like a 3 year old if he doesn't get attention he will give up and slither away to another site……………..
Schultzy: I generally will only put one post per thread advising not to respond to asshats post, then I like to dig into her with a comment about trips to the cruise areas and or mommy/daddy issues. Unfortunately he tends to pop up on lots of threads……hence the "how many times have I told you"
mard: I completely agree with you, that is what sexuality is. But while I care not a whit what you do in the privacy of your home I shall fight to keep you from any special rights or privileges due to your choice in sexual partners.
Homosexuality is no different from any other sexual perversity be it underage partners or inanimate objects or even animals. Deviation is just that something other than what is considered normal for a society.
So while I agree you should be allowed to have any consensual partner you want in the privacy of your home when it comes to marriage it will forever be the dominion of male/female relationships.
The State of New York has spoken and it agrees with me. Other states that have taken up the issue will soon all agree. The battle may be far from over and the war yet begun but this particualr issue will end as it has in NY, where ever it may be fought.
1EqualityUSA, you had inquired of me yesterday if there were any rallies, protests, etc. in New York City as a result of the disappointing news from Albany.
I watched the 11 pm news on CBS and there was a blurb that lasted less than a minute. Very scant coverage for an event that should have been quite news-worthy to many news Yorkers, gay and straight alike.
Nor, was there anything about the rally that took place in Union Square last night or the luminaries that were there and spoke to the crowd. I had to go to Towelroad to learn of it.
Why wasn't a word about this on Queerty today, wonder?
Schlukitz, Union Square in San Francisco? I don't watch T.V. except for Antiques Roadshow and Criminal Minds when I happen to catch it. I don't know why it got so little press here on this site. The money generated here is based on the highest amounts of hits, so maybe fanning flames with Cardinals, Mormons, and Lambert, generate more hits than rallies. #184 Saan siya galing?
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No. It was in Union Square in New York City. I am not a big TV watcher either. Much to passive for my tastes. I prefer the interaction of being on the Net.
#184 Hindi ko alam
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Actually, I was referring to GOP Elephants in Iowa. They migrate every so many years for the Straw Polls. Great hunting! Very tasty with a sprig of corruption and a dash of graft.
Mmmmmm…finger licking good!
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(above) In response to "schlukitz" regarding@ no. 125 – Rainfish's comment:
Keep your peepers on Iowa. You know, "where the corn grows as high as an elephant's eye".
Not germane to the topic at hand, I know, but wasn't that line from the Broadway Show Oklahoma?
Being the big corn-producing state that Iowa is, however, I see that line relating to it as well. ;)
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Our mailman got hitched in Iowa this past Summer to his longtime companion. It's nice to just be mundane sometimes — even when you know you're "special" (special rights and all that). And we ARE "special", you know. God's chosen people, in fact — She told me so.
Personally, I think it is a perversion of our Constitutional Republic that any oppressed minority is even subjected to the humiliation of having to petition for their equal rights.
New York is a sad example of what happens when so-called "inalienable" rights are put up like a popularity contest.
Whether it be through political parties or via public referendum.
Is this the United States of America or "American Idol"? Has anybody noticed how our human rights have degenerated into some kind of mob-driven version of a game show. You get audience approval, and if you're popular enough, you get your Civil Rights. Yaaaa!!!
That sucks!
Future generations will look back on this travesty of justice with shame.
Terrwill, Letterman is proof that DEVOLUTION exists.
If marriage is about procreation…..then lets enjoin John Marcotte who wants a ban on divorce in California and add a ban on straight breeders who don't want to breed or who can't from marrying.
To digress, some good news. Hiram Monserrate may face a year in jail today for slashing his girlfriend. So while Mr. Monserrate is projecting his “moral values” onto the rest of us, it’s worth pointing out that those morals include slashing his girlfriend’s face with a broken beer bottle, which required 20 to 40 stitches to close. That was before he violently dragged her, while she was bleeding, through the lobby of their building to take her to the ER. What a guy. (Did you catch that it’s their building? That is, they live together. UNMARRIED and like most religious cults, christianity, judaism and islam, living "in sin and a threat to straight marriage.
Because he was only found guilty of misdemeanor assault, he was able to keep his senate seat. Because he was able to keep his senate seat, he was able to vote against marriage equality today.
You can call Mr. Monserrate’s district office at (718) 205-3881, and his Albany office at (518) 455-2529. Tell him that your moral values embrace equality and deplore violence, and when it’s re-election time, throw a few dollars toward Jose Peralta. I know I will. Remember, this moron voted against our equality. I hope the court throws the book at him and when he gets to jail, suffers intensely. One down and seven more to go.
Rainfish: Iowa is next there we will fix the mistakes of the legislators via the court system.
Being a deviant does not grant you "rights" and marriage IS NOT an inalienable right it is a privilege one you get allowed when you follow the correct path in life.
Trust me should it ever be put to a referendum (and this is why the legislators will never let that happen) the public will overwhelmingly vote against gay marriage.
It is time to face the fact that your sexual choice does not also provide for special rights and privileges. Yeah you're special, pathetic too.
The future will look at New York's decision as just one of many that protected marriage from being destroyed by a deviant faction.
Terrwill, Letterman is probably a self-loathing jew because he's supposedly married to an equally devolved papist gentile (read unclean). Notice how this fucktard turd comes out of his cave when its a gay issue. This subhuman has a lot of sexual issues going on undoubtedly. Its unnatural and abnormal for a so called "straight" to troll gay blogsites. Again, devolution kicking in, mostly indigenous to straights.
Oh my Terrwill, now he's saying that being gay is about sexual deviance.
Hmmm…..rape, incest (committed by imaginary straight Adam & Eve and their progeny to have populated the planet), pimping, prostitution (overwhelmingly straight by nature), sex trafficking (overwhelmingly straight), adultery (overwhelmingly straight), unwed mothers having sex outside of marriage…Maggie Gallagher a classic example of straight deviance…..funny how nobody has seen her husband in public); straight sodomy (deviant oral sex condemned in the book of fables, the bible, but practiced by probably the majority of breeders in or outside of marriage), masturbation (condemned in the old testament, but a vast majority of straights practice it, married or single). Oh I could go on and on……. . Letterman I suppose never jacked off or didn't have sex before marriage? What a fucking idiot.
No. 189 · Robert, NYC: Remember back in HS the asshats with the biggest mouths calling everyone "fag" and "queer"??? Those are the ones you run into now who are disgustingly overweight, bald, dead end jobs, and frequent the cruise areas where getting barebacked is their dish of choice. I think that correctly describes our "friend"……………
Terrwill, #193. Quite! I remember 20 years ago, I was walking along West Street in Greenwich Village with a coule of friends in the early hours after a night out and noticed several middle-aged hassidic jews outside of a van, one was in the driver's seat cruising for guys. After scoring, I suppose they ran home to their equally ugly wives. Another hit against the sanctity of straight marriage and probably vote against equality.
I just heard a rabbi in NJ is screaming that when the state votes on marriage equality next week, it will be a threat to religious freedom. Another devolved brain emerging. I'd like to know how a civil marriage between a same sex couple affects his right to practice his cultist belief system. Nobody is calling for the ban on his right to believe or forcing his cult to recognize let alone perform a same-sex marriage. This is of course about hate, the very antithesis of what they're supposed to believe and practice. Hypocrisy and bigotry once again rearing its devolved ugly head. If he had to have chosen between the gas ovens in Auschwitz and same-sex marriage, he would obvously have to have chosen the former to be true to his beliefs that same-sex marriage is wrong,including Letterman.
No. 194 · Robert, NYC: Don't get me started with the orthodox Jews! They are one of historys most persecuted groups and they have the gall to look to deny and cast hate towards any other group??? I read about the NYC Gay rights legislation where they were one of the most vocal groups spewing their vile hatred towards the Gays. When people would mention those suffering from AIDS they would cheer yell out how the Gays "deserve to die". How many of their direct relatives died at the hands of the nazis? The behaviour of these Jews is absolutly no different than those nazis who herded their relatives into the gas chambers…………….
Terrwill@195, couldn't agree more. A lot of the right wing so called "christian" wackos spew the same garbage as does the other filthy abrahamic cult islam. In the case of the hassidim and orthodox jews, all I can say is, its a pity some of their families escaped the ovens. I'd gladly have booted them in without any hesitation knowing what I now know about them. They say the same about us including all the other religious sickos out there. They always play the victim when we go after them and other mentally retarded religious cultists who occasionally come in here, but when it comes to us, they villify us with impunity. I have no sympathy for any of them, they deserve everything they get back from us and others who despise them.
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Robert: get the cum out of your eyes, I never said marriage is about procreation, that is but one of the many things marriage is about. Not ever marriage is perfect nor does every marriage provide children. But marriage is the dominion of the male/female joining and we will never allow you to dilute it.
One thing (among many) you will never be is equal. You are a either a cosmic joke or an evolutionary mistake.
You want to call me an idiot OK I'll call you a queer. I still win.
Terrwill: Your mistaking "group" for "religion" queer isn't a religion it's a perversion of the norm.
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Letterman, the fact of the matter is, we gay New Yorkers can get married, just not in our own state right now. We'll gladly pour millions into Connecticut's state coffers, deservedly so, while our state suffers cuts especially local businesses who need to survive the most. Long may that continue.
I'll gladly accept you calling me a queer as long as I can call you a "kike" of the worst kind> Fuck you, fuck your cult and fuck your ugly smelly slag of a wife.
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Robert: You prove your lowness in your comments regarding the Holocaust, while I do not advocate violence due to your sexual preference I would glady meet you in person to teach you respect it is a lesson you sorely require.
As we have done in NY we will do across the country and soon there will be no state that will allow the perversion of marriage to continue. NY was but one of many projects we are working on and we are heartened by the results we will, as we have in NY, be victorious in the few states that now require it.
You can call me, my wife and the rest of my family whatever slur you want, we all know the scum that you are and represent and why would we get upset that such scum is calling us names?
I can only say that I will pray for you and hope that somehow you see the error of your ways.
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Kike Letterman, your orthodox/hassidim cult members have advocated for our death not just here but in Israel too. I don't regret or retract one word about the holocaust in the context in which I had written, namely the two jewish sects referenced previously, not progressive jews of which you are not one. I do deplore and condemn the holocaust but not for people like those mentioned or any of other religous cults who think the same way. Fuck your stupid prayers, a total waste of time from filth like you. Your not even fit to be shit on the bottom of my shoe.
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Robert: ROFLMAO you think I'm Orthodox???????? I am but a simple Reform Jew and I do not speak on behalf of my religion but on behalf of those who believe as I do that what you are is an abomination to all that is right. What you regret and retract will change over time but for now you prove what a worthless piece of excrement you really are.
You are a sick and twisted person in need of serious help. While I will not wish HIV/Aids upon you or advocate violence to you, all I can offer is prayer and hopes that one day you will change and become something worthy of joining society.
You do not speak for all homosexuals but you remind me of what I most detest about some, you will sink to the lowest depths to make a point which negates any dialogue. It is the last gasp of someone who does not have the skills or vocabulary to make a educated argument. You sir are scum and worse then that you are stupid scum.
I, for now, will consider you beneath contempt, worthy of nothing. You can continue to live your pathetic, sad, lonely existence. You can watch as conventional society rejects you as it has in NY so shall it pass in every state in this fine union.
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Hey Kike Letterman, fuck you again! FYI you can't even read English. Show me where I sad you were an orthodox or hassidic kike? I used those as examples of your fucked up cult and belief system.
I've been in a thriving monogomous 16 year relationsip, so I'm far from lonely, fucktard. Drop dead, you filthy piece of human detritus.
Robert: What you are is an embarrassment to your parents. Or were you raised with such a disgusting mouth? I suppose you'd have to be pretty much a disappointment to anyone who might converse with you.
A thriving monogamous 16 year relationship. LOL unlikely, unless you have some poor slob tied to your bed and forced to deal with such a worthless scum-bucket like yourself.
In fact you might be in a relationship but monogamous is something I don't even think you come close to. No one who comes off as such a lowlife as you could manage to keep a relationship going for 16 days no less years.
What you have is a sex partner one is is low enough to submit to being with a deviant such as yourself.
Let me know when your pills kick in and your delusion fades away.
Robert: LOL don't you get it? If my beautiful and wonderful wife and I were on fire and for any strange reason you were near us, we would rather burn then have you do anything for us.
I find it amazingly amusing that the first thing you think of when it comes to putting out a fire is pissing on someone. Is that a gay thing? or are you a special pervert?
Frankly you should stop peeing on people altogether it is yet one more thing society frowns on.
You are such a tiny twerp with the vocabulary skills of a pissed off six year old. I've heard some scientists say that homosexuality in men is likened to arrested development thank you for verifying that.
Actually dumbass kike, the pissing reference came from straight Irish friend of mine, you fucking moron. Yeah, you'd rather burn than be pissed on? You fucking psycho talking liar. Anyone in their right mind would choose life over death. Its you who is irrational now, you fucking idiot.
Robert: The pissing reference came from the same place everything you say comes from, the little peanut you call a brain.
I didn't say I would rather die then be pissed on I said I'd rather die than be pissed on by you. Lord knows how many diseases are running through your pathetic fagboy body.
~ The price of hating other human beings is loving oneself less. ~
Eldridge Cleaver
~ We hate some persons because we do not know them; and will not know them because we hate them. ~
Charles Caleb Colton
~ If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us. ~
Herman Hesse
~ I imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone… they will be forced to deal with pain. ~
James Arthur Baldwin
~ I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate him. ~
Booker T. Washington
Robert, don't waste your valuable time on that moron. With all of the excrement oozing out of his fetid gap-toothed mouth (via the keyboard), you know he's not kosher. Besides, obviously he's compensating (guilt turns to anger) for jacking off to nude photos of little girls when his sister/wife is at the barber shop getting her back hair trimmed.
"Now, now my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
- Voltaire (1694-1778) on his deathbed in response to a priest asking that he renounce Satan.
@ Adam: I guess you feel pretty stupid with your foolish racist remarks.Thanks to #133 ChitownKev & #124 Sam. You see one black man in the pic and thats the whole black community in your sick distorted ricist mind. That gave you reason enough to express your latent racism. It shows that when you assume, you make an ASS of youself.
schlukulz: Love that twist to an old classic. Will find a way to use it going forward.
Rainfish: I don't know you, but you describe me to a T so you must know me. I'm the one getting off on pics of little girls? Then I would rally against myself since that too would be a perversion of all that is normal. But since it is hardly true, ok admitidly my wife is rather young looking but she'd hardly be called a little girl, you need come up with all new nonsense to spew. BTW Robert doesn't have valuable time, he has kneel time, O time, and lick it off the floor time, that's about it.
Robert: yes, lay your wearied head to rest… don'tcha cry no more.
Your a demented little fool who needs to take better stock of your life. The vitrol (look it up) that spews from you far exceeds anything I've offered. Your patheic and sad patheisad I suppose.
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No. 214 • Michael Letterman admitted that he was into kiddy porn.
He confessed: "I don't know you, but you describe me to a T so you must know me. I'm the one getting off on pics of little girls. … ok admittedly my wife is rather young …"
bunny: Ladies and gentelmen I offer this as an example of the inablity of this homo, queer, fag, whatever the appropriate term is, lack of ability to detect blantant scarcasm. Though the bit about my wife is spot on she's as beautiful today as she was when I met her, thirty years ago.
Michael, People of color would prefer to be called black, not "N***er"
Italians would prefer to be called Italians, not "Wops."
Germans would prefer to be called Germans, not "Krauts."
Chinese people would prefer to be called Chinese, not "chinks".
Spanish people would prefer to be called Spaniards, not "spics".
And Homosexual people would prefer to be called Gay or Lesbian, according to their sex, not homo, queer or fag.
You see, how we address people upon first meeting, can make all the difference in the world as to the welcome or re-buff we receive from them.
Perhaps if you showed a tad more respect to gays and lesbians when you visit our site, you would not be getting all the vitriol that is coming your way?
schlukitz: Thank you for that vocab lesson. It brings up the questions…
What do we call pedophiles when we greet them?
What do we call people into bestiality when we greet them?
What do we call people into, well this can go on for quite awhile but I think I made my point. And before anyone goes off half cocked (no pun intended) I'm not equating anything to anything I'm pointing out that people who are involved in all sorts of "groupings" have a preference on how we refer to them.
I knew a group of black kids back in NY that would only allow one to refer to them as Kings but there kingdom was a tenement building in the lower east side and it never really caught on.
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Michael Letterman's STD riddled mother laughed in response to:
No. 216 • Michael Letterman who retardedly bragged: "… the bit about my (his) (child) wife is spot (re: syphilis) on she's as beautiful (repress gag reflex) today as she was when I (he) met (bought) her, thirty years ago (at a horse auction)."
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@ Michael "the troll" Letterwoman,
So…where did you first meet her, in a stable at a horse ranch while feeding her hay? I forgot that part about you being into bestiality too — beside little girls. You must be diddling yourself now as you read this. Have another spoonful, troll. HA! HA!
Poor nag, it must be difficult for her to mate with you. She must have to hop up and down on your fat gut to make it pop out first.
Please don't breed. We don't need any more with your mental diseases polluting the gene pool.
We prefer health (non-mutant), heterosexuals mating pairs to produce our next generation of homosexuals. You don't qualify, MS Letterwoman, to produce any kind of human.
So, next time you're roaming around under that enormous roll of fat of yours looking for your clit-size wiener, could you please do the world a favor and borrow your sister/wife's back-hair tweezers, then use a magnifying mirror to locate and pinch off your pepper-corn sized nads while your down there? One less YOU in the world would not only be good for humankind, but would do wonders to lessen air pollution.
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Dear Bunny Snuggles, I worked so damned hard today. We didn't even get lunch. Non-stop, high intensity, pure concentration kind of work where if we take our eye off of the ball for an instant, the house of cards could fall into disaster. Then I come home to read post #220 and got at case of the giggles so horrendously that my eyes watered. I don't condone all of this bad stuff between all of you, but you are extremely creative and entertaining. They should name an exotic plant after you. good night.
Mr. Letterman. Give your beautiful, youngish looking soul mate the best neck massage she's had in weeks and then go clean the kitchen for her without her even having to ask. After you have polished the stove and deep cleaned the refrigerator, make reservations to the best restaurant your city has and tell her you love her dearly with all of your heart. Be thankful that she tolerates the amount of time you devote to this "hobby" of yours and listen for any cues, any signs whatsoever that she would wish that you would cut down on all of this commenting. Enjoy your Sunday and make a promise to yourself that you are going to think only positive, wonderful, edifying thoughts. There is an animal shelter near you that has creatures just waiting for volunteers to come and give them much needed attention. With the time you have, they would appreciate comfort and human kindness, if even for an hour. Love to you all and be nice to each other. I need to crash, so that I can relive tomorrow, what I went through today. Sincerely, 1EqualityUSA
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Shhhhhh…don't tell anybody…but we spoke last week (under my alter ego — the less evil one). You said you liked my book. I applaud your taste.
Well, got to go for now.
[insert unzipping sound here] ok…taking off my Bunny Snuggles outfit, for now, and sitting back down to have some carrot cake.
Dr. Jekyll is calling me home.
C-ya!
PS – By the way, "1EqualityUSA", the "Queer Union" is still a good idea. I'm afraid ol' M.L. would be on the Confederate side though. Oh, well…guess whose side wins.
Bunny: How pathetic must your life be that you spend so much effort and time fantasising about me and my wife. As for our creating the next generation of homosexuals well, I can assure you none of our children will turn out so, that is a fact.
The fact that you cannot breed is perhaps the only acceptable thing about you. Yes I know science can do amazing things these days but as soon as we finish legislating you out of existence science will not be an issue.
Alas for you, there are many such like-minded as I and all of us vote, or did you not notice that?
Equality: I take excellent care of my wife and will do exactly as you've suggested. I've asked and she agrees someone needs to keep reminding you how sick and pathetic you all are, so for now, I'll continue, until it's time for someone to take my place.
Bunny: ROFLMAO well in that case I know who would win the confederates. Just as in New York so shall be the country. It will take time and energy both of which shall be given in spades.
Bye for now pathetic people. Enjoy yourselves as best you are able knowing that the rest of us are working towards the cure for what you are and will keep you safe, even from yourselves until that cure can be administered.
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Equality: In the future they will look back at the disease that you suffer from and weep. They will build monuments to honor those that freed society from such dark times.
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Dear Letterwoman, shouldn't you be busy putting on your flea collar and doing it doggy-style in a dirty alley somewhere with a dead hooker? Where doooo you find the time to write us all at Queerty?
MS Letterwoman wrote so sweetly to Bunny: "How pathetic must your life be that you spend so much effort and time fantasising about me and my wife.
Bunny responses: Yes, honey, I have often "fantasized" about you and your skank when two fingers down my throat wouldn't do it when I needed to hurl after a hard night's out. Thanks!
MS Letterwoman continues: "As for our creating the next generation of homosexuals well, I can assure you none of our children will turn out so, that is a fact."
Bunny (who would start to believe in God — or even make a pact with Satan — if that were only true) gleefully answers:
Oh, thank you, Michelle! I was soooo worried. Being Gay is difficult enough with people like you in the world, but having Mongoloidism too…that's just too great a burden. I praise you and your sister/wife's decision not to have any gay children (not that it would be genetically possible with your inferior/damaged/incestuous chromosomes anyway), but thanks nevertheless.
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Also….in response to a "monument (Michelle) believes he/she deserves.
@ Ms Michelle Letterwoman (also known by the drag-king stage name as Michael Letterman), Bunny asks:
Haven't they already built a monument for your kind, Letterwoman?
It's called a crapper. Now go "honor" yourself by flushing you and your ilk back into that celestial cesspool which spawned you and your intestinal amoebic kind.
PS – Don't let the toilet lid hit you in the flagella on the way down.
!!! WOOOOOOSHHHHH !!!
(above) In response to tard-boy's (aka Letterman) vomitable declaration: "… In the future they will look back at the disease that you suffer from and weep. They will build monuments to honor those that freed society from such dark times."
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Bunny concludes:
Damn, Letterman…how many times did your mother stab you in the head with a clothes hanger in a failed back-alley abortion? Apparently, she only damaged your brain and didn't harm any vital organs.
…more's the pity, really.
bye now, hon…please don't disappoint…we all expect to see ya back here on this homosexual news-site because your "heterosexual" life must be sooooo damn fulfilling for you.
Dear Bunny Snuggles, You should be paid handsomely for these lines…"how many times did your mother stab you in the head with a clothes hanger in a failed back-alley abortion? Apparently, she only damaged your brain and didn't harm any vital organs." I woke up with hospital-hangover, stiff, headache-y, slightly embittered about understaffing and then I read post #227 and got another case of the giggles. This line was good too, "Haven't they already built a monument for your kind, Letterwoman? It's called a crapper. Now go "honor" yourself by flushing you and your ilk back into that celestial cesspool which spawned you and your intestinal amoebic kind." And also, "PS – Don't let the toilet lid hit you in the flagella on the way down.
!!! WOOOOOOSHHHHH !!!" My partner was doing homework when I read Post #227 aloud. We both had a good laugh. Thanks.
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Beautiful lyrics that unfortunately fall on too many deaf ears. :(
Interesting that the song flopped when it was first recorded in 1967 and had to wait for two more years before it was re-recorded gained any kind of recognition and popularity.
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I SAY WE BOYCOTT EVERYTHING! DON'T VOTE, DON'T SHOP. EVERYONE TAKE A DAY OR TWO OFF. WE NEED TO STAND AS ONE IN ORDER FOR US TO BE RECOGNIZE. WE CAN BE PEACEFUL BUT HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS! YES WE PAY TAXES. YES WE LOVE TO SHOP. BUT IF WE DON'T SHOP FOR A WEEK! EVERY GAY PERSON JUST DON'T SPEND ANYMORE IN NYC! WEATHER YOU ARE IN THE CLOSET OR NOT. YOU WILL SEE HOW MUCH THEY REALLY NEED US! I DON'T EVEN SEE THE REASON WHY I VOTE FOR PEOPLE THAT SAY THEY WILL HELP AND SPIT ON US IN THE END. WE REALLY NEED TO STOP LETTING THEM HAVE CONTROL OVER US LIKE WE ARE KIDS THAT DON'T KNOW BETTER.
HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS! THE POCKETS AND VOTES! VOTE CONSERVATIVE CAUSE THE GOP AND DEMS DON'T GIVE A RATS ASS SO GO WITH SOMEONE TO FUCK BOTH PARTIES! I AND MANY OTHERS SHOULD START A BLOG FROM NOW AND GET NUMBERS OF PEOPLE THAT WILL NOT VOTE FOR BOTH PARTIES AND JUST ONE WEEK OF NOT BUYING!
JOIN ME IT'S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN WIN THIS WAR! AS ONE!
Bunny: Nope that is just your overworked imagination salted with your depravity.
Oh and I don't have MS I'm not the diseased one in this back n forth conversation that would be you.
You already dissapointed your mother and father and now you feel the need to strike out at anyone who reminds you what a monstrosity you are. Thats fine my shoulders are wide enough to deal with your vitrol and I will make the time to help you overcome your sickness. I suppose I can expect no better of you then "toliet humor" I imagine that what with the number of forigen objects inserted into you anus over time you must spend near half you day on a toilet. Or are you now wearing diapers?
Yes Virginia I'll be back it is my turn to deal with the likes of you and correct your erroronus statements.
When scientits find the cure
and the end has been assured
When society is finnaly free
and the cure is given thee
When that time does come
and your adgenda is undone
Then the world can cheer
pray that time is near
apologies for any spelling/grammer errors in my last post I hit submit before running the spell checker after writing quite quickly. I will attempt to do better moving forward.
Every creature was created by Allah for a purpose. The Prophet always encouraged being kind to animals. Although we should not eat the meat of the pig, it doesn't mean that we should hate pigs. We should show them the same kindness as any other animal, and not abuse or torture them. Pigs score high on tests devised to determine animal intelligence; in other words, they are very smart. It used to be that Europe people believed that pork would taste better if the pigs were kept in a state of filth, but this is not the natural inclination of the pig. When left to their own devices, it is said that pigs do not like to soil their sleeping quarters. As for their tendency to wallow in mud, that is done mainly to keep cool.
Ms Michelle Letterwoman (aka Michael Letterman) lyrically wrote to Bunny: "Thats fine my shoulders are wide enough to deal with your vitrol…"
Bunny responses, sympathetically: So you liked those Joan Crawford shoulder pads I sent to you. Maybe they'll make your shoulders a little closer in width to your linebacker wife's body type.
Letterwoman then continues her PMS rant: "…and I will make the time to help you overcome your sickness."
Bunny is all giggles, and getting a little moist between the legs with anticipation:
Oh, thank you Dr. Killjoy. But the only image you bring to my mind is that of your wife bending over and expelling a high velocity tampon towards your face and putting out one of your eyes — now, THAT brings a smile to my face instantly! …See, feeling better already. Thanks, Doc!
No. 234 • Michael Letterman wrote: "apologies for any spelling/grammer errors in my last post I hit submit before running the spell checker after writing quite quickly. I will attempt to do better moving forward."
Bunny helpfully suggests:
If you would have bothered to run the "dumb ass" checker, then we wouldn't have to put up with any of your lame diatribes at all.
…Now, go change your adult diaper (which probably doubles as a bib) before your sister/wife's comes home from working 12th Street to administer your 2am penicillin and peppermint enema.
Bunny: It really wouldn't matter if I was a woman or as I am a man you would still disgust me. I'm glad you look forward to being cured, realizing that your sick is the first step and it appears you've taken it.
Your imagination seems to often run towards me or my family I suppose being such a depraved human you must fixate on something that isn't as monsterous as your lifestyle is. Keep it comming no one here cares and we can always enjoy another of your sick imaginations rambles.
You failed in NY you will soon find that you will fail in all your attempts to pervert this nation. Your sickness will one day be cured but until then we will keep it from spreading.
He's a smuck. Using Diaz's own logic, that putting civil rights to a vote, marriage equality would loose. Well, if it were put to a popular vote, Ruben Diaz would be: sent home (Puerto Rico) OR made a slave.
I will eat my hat if gay marriage psses in NY
I guess gays shouldn't have to pay taxes if we can't get married. They want our money, but they won't let us love freely. I am so glad I live in America where they believe in "freedom", like letting murders, child molestors, and rapist get married while behind bars. But hey it's just gross that two citizens, who pay taxes, physically harm nobody can't do that.
Popularity contests are for children. Grow up Diaz.
Diaz doesn't understand SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
FAIL
Were you really shocked that the NY Senate voted not to allow gay marriage??
At least Diaz had the guts to stand up and make his argument. Not a single other of the 33 against had the guts to stand up and make the case against the bill. I despise those cowards even more.
Correction: 37 is the number of cowards
What the hell happened? How do we let this go to the floor with an outcome this bad?
They will never give us equality until we start to really fuck with them.
We need a real gay strike. Nationwide. For, like a week.
All gay people and their supporters stay home. Don't go to work, don't spend any money anywhere.
Let them know how many of us there are and how serious we are.
Beats whining about it.
I say we do it the week before xmas.
Perhaps the SSA's are beginning to get the message that marriage is a war they can't win?
We need to target every single democrat and republican who voted now. Donate to any primary opponants that run against them, every general election opponants they have. They want to vote against us, fine, we have your names now and we'll be sending money to anybody that runs against you.
So everyone get your asses out and DO FUCKING SOMETHING ABOUT IT! And I don't mean get a fucking permit and stand on the corner for a couple of hours.
I love how in the end they were able to call on President Obama's position on gay marriage and use it as cover.
I hope all these Obama apologists now realize why the gay community didn't want to wait when the gov't had time to act. Now they are all afraid of the midterms and the upcoming elections.
Fuck Obama. Fuck Diaz. Fuck these cowards.
Yes, fuck the lot of them. They're all useless sacks of shit. Fuck Diaz and the fucking Jesus he rode in on.
I really think we need to stop being pussies about this and start engaging in civil disobedience. Its time now to stop politely asking for our rights and start demanding our rights. Did the folks at Stonewall quietly ask for people to start respecting LGBTQ people or did they demand it.
Can anyone explain why EQNY would push for a floor vote, when the outcome is this bad?
What were their lobbyists up to? I thought it was supposed to be close…
The Republicans are a lost cause, they have swung so far to the right that no Republican in their right mind would support marriage equality because they would risk losing their seat to a conservative. We need to target the scumbag Democrats who voted no, same as with healthcare reform.
No Hiram Monserrate (D) Upholding "traditional values" like beating the shit out of your girlfriend, slashing her face with a broken glass, dragging her thru the lobby by her hair (on video) and then denying it ever happened. Convicted scumbag.
Ruben Diaz and his Father have been the accused of time an time again of breaking laws. Yet these hyprocite scumbags keep getting elected…………
Unfortunately as we all know, it takes decades for many civil rights to come about and its usually the courts that make it happen. I love the idea of work stoppages, f-ing with the marriage laws (can you get married in Mass to a same sex partner, then go to Texas and marry in "opposite marriage" since states don't have to recognize each others marriages?) and other hijinx. Unfortunately, except for the potential collapse of our economy, there isn't much anymore that wakes up the masses. Mom and dad gave us all too much. And of course many, many lgbt can hide in the straight world or deny who they are so we appear to be a smaller group than we really are. We'll get there but its unknown when. I'm more disappointed in New York (and New Jersey) as we pretend to be trend setters of the world and yet we're upstaged by Iowa and New Hampshire.
Next term, I hope none of these bastards get re-elected.
This isn't up to them. It is up to us.
And until we become violent and scary, nothing will change.
The straights only respond to violence.
No one else is thrilled about this? I am. For so long, we were not allowed to know who the enemies of equality were. Now we do. Now, we can work to get them voted the hell out.
Part of me wants to run against my Democratic State Senator. He voted no…in an area where more and more young gay couples are moving now that Manhattan has become financially impossible to live in.
@BILL #23 LOL. So true.
I'm finished with the Dems for good, no more votes. I'm seriously considering a move to Connecticut, ideally Canada. I can no longer live in a state that votes against my rights and equality. I will not spend one more penny or cast another vote for a democrat in this state, and definitely not for Obama in 2012. We're damned either way. Fuck the lot of them.
A lot of those bastard dems who voted no live in conservative areas. Don't expect them to be defeated any time soon, they've won and so has that evil cunt, Maggie Gallagher.
I'm a native New Yorker and my Fiance is from Canada. I would have liked to get married in New York State, so it would be easier for my family & friends to attend the ceremony. After watching most of the senate voting against my right to marry, it only makes more sense that Canada should be my new home. This is a very sad day for LGBT New Yorkers right now.
And that precious Democratic Party, and all the support and money given to them over the years. No more.
I will second that motion to:
Fuck Obama. Fuck Diaz. Fuck these cowards.
and add:
Fuck the Dems. Fuck the ACLU. Fuck the HRC. Fuck 'em all.
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Divine, the Filthiest Person Alive will also add:
"Kill everyone now. Condone first-degree murder. Advocate cannibalism, eat shit. Filth are my politics. Filth is my life."
I'm here in NYC and very depressed. I swear I never want to vote DEMOCRAT AGAIN. I may change my mind but what is the point? Next Year I'll be voting green. I'm maybe throwing away my vote but heck at least I'll be true to myself and maybe the so called progressive party will get the message when they are voted out of office. Again another example of the Left doing the work of the Right.
It just becomes more clear to me every day that this is really going to come down to the Supreme Court. That's why we have to put up with the Democrats on this. If we don't keep Obama in power enough to appoint at least 4 justices (replacing the 3 liberals plus one more), we are screwed for DECADES. Sorry but its true.
I hope Ginsberg and Stevens retire and are replaced before 2012…if a Republican appoints one of their replacement, we're set back decades.
Thank you New York for protecting Heterosexual marriage!
That's sarcasm.
This is not only a sad day for NY's gays, but a sad day for NY democrats who will undoubtedly lose significant support for their lack of leadership. They've already lost my vote, along with my partner.
Nothing will ever get done until the christian mindset is domesticated and put in its place. With the state facing budget problems (as always), it would have been logical to increase revenue by allowing gay marriage, but I guess politicians are in the business of bullying these days. In NY, where I'm from, it really is the case of the blind leading the blind.
I'm tired of people using their religion as an excuse for their own bigotry. I don't see any of these "Religious" Senators introducing bills to outlaw divorce or adultery. I don't see any of them introducing bills to stone women or abuse children. Those are all mentioned in various religious texts. No, but they are fine with using their religion to vote against any gay rights. Enough already, just admit your a bigot and be done with it.
8 Democrats voted against LGBT Equality. Maybe now we can all agree that "party affiliation" is not the defining indicator – religion is.
Sooner or later we need to acknowledge that religiously created beliefs are non-negotiable. Lobbying is a complete waste of time and money. Instead, we have two choices:
1) Change the politician, or
2) Change the minds of their constituents.
Figure out how to do that and we may actually be able to obtain equality.
I'm tired of the religious bigots having full representation (at our expense) without taxation while we languish paying our fair share of taxes and getting fuck all in return.
I just wrote my local congressman and Senator Chuck Schumer telling them that they can kiss my vote goodbye forever. I'm sick and tired of all of them. I dont care who supports us either. NYS stands to lose millions in much needed revenue as most of us who want to marry will be heading to Connecticut or even Canada. I'm no longer going to help the NYS economy by spending as much as I do. We need a massive demonstration in this state spelling it out loud and clear to the Dems, we've had it with them and we're not taking it any more, they can go fuck themselves. We're damned either way if they're in power or not. Fuck HRC and Joe Solomonese, Tom Duane, Empire State Pride Agenda and all the other ass-kissing democrats. I hope they all go under.
bill
And until we become violent and scary, nothing will change.
The straights only respond to violence.
Agreed. If this happened to any other minority, they'd be rioting in the streets. The Black Panthers did more to advance racial equality than the NAACP.
It's time for that divorce from the Democrats, guys. Here in liberal New York, the Democrats have let us down. Let's tell the Democrats to fuck off.
We gays have failed to take the Demcorats to task. We've been the obedient useful idiots. It's time we told the Democrats we longer support them. Let's take our votes elsewhere.
A lot of the gay pride groups are simply fronts for the Democratic Party. They will issue soothing words to assure us that we shouldn't be disappointed and that gay marriage will eventually come. Yeah, right.
My message to gay pride groups is this: fuck off. We no longer accept your sleazy shilling for the Democratic Party.
Read this:
Here's the thing. We can wait until next time and try and appeal to everyone with sweetness and nice pleas for equality, or we can go on a major offensive that lets groups like the Mormons (NOM) and the Catholic Church know that as long as they keep coming after us, we're going to stop talking so much about "marriage equality" and start talking constantly, everywhere and at every available public opportunity– ads, editorials, talkshows, protests– about why there should be public investigations into secrets those groups DO NOT want the nation to be talking about: for example, the Catholic Church's role in covering up sex abuse and the Mormon's repulsive history of racism– just a couple of starting points, there's many more– and we're going to talk and talk and talk and talk about those things until every man, woman, and child in the country could practically write a dissertation about them.
… until we let the groups who are always coming after us know that every time they try, we're going to burn them badly, and not through some polite "debate" about whether or not we deserve rights, but, instead, through the most public discussions possible about THEIR sins, not our lives. NOM made a lot of serious threats to NY lawmakers about what they'd do if those lawmakers voted for marriage equality. Let's let NOM"s bosses in Salt Lake City know what a real threat looks like: the threat of constant exposure and bad press about subjects where they, not us, are vulnerable. The Mormon leadership hates the spotlight, so I say: it's showtime, boys!
We have extra cash, if we're not donating so much to the DNC and such. We have the means to make it terribly uncomfortable for the people who have no qualms whatsoever about coming after us. We just have to have the willpower to stop being on the defensive all the time and take a harder proactive approach: our goal should be to let them know in no short terms: you come at us, we are going to WRECK you.
If the GAyTM is closed for HRC and the DNC right now, I know where I think that money ought to be going, and its not into producing more nice speeches begging for equality or more sweet ads with lesbian couples and their sad-looking kids pleading for people to be nice to them. The money needs to go to a place that forcefully tells our enemies: STOP. or ELSE. They want "moral" campaigns, with ads, emails, ballot initiatives, etc.? Okay, how about a proposal for a ballot initiative in California declaring that the Mormons history of racism– like going to court in the 1970s to keep blacks out of leadership roles in the Boy Scouts– be taught in public schools? It won't stand a snowballs chance of passing, but, man, the public conversation that would be all over the news on that one would leave the Mormon leadership peeing their pants in utter panic. The bad press for them would linger for a generation. And the GLBT community could smile and wave and say: You want more? Keep coming at us.
This is not for the mere sake of revenge. This is specific strategy, and one gay leadership needs to actively consider, as it's likely the only one that's going to work in this political climate. You have to give your opponents a reason WHY it's not a good idea for them to come after you. Right now, they have none. They suffer no real consequence, and, in fact, coming after the GLBT community works as a nice fundraising opportunity for them.
Let's change that game. Let's give them something they truly have to worry about. I guarantee if we truly took such an approach seriously, a lot of this well-funded opposition would suddenly become a lot less vocal and a lot more shy, and start to dry up. They'd suddenly find a different social issue they were suddenly, by gosh, obsessed with, and we just might start to get our rights.
I"m hearin Times Square at 6 tonight is gonna be a madhouse!
Lance Rockland,
What you're saying is interesting. However, most New York gays are more interested in sex with total strangers in dark cubicles. That and dance parties and taking party drugs.
What you have is a collection of hedonism-addicts who aren't the least bit interested in gay rights.
Well then, New York gays are just exactly like Houston gays.
^^^ self-hatred is not pretty. People I know are very politically active, AND anonymous-sex, party-hearty dancers.
Another,in an increasingly long string of wins for the religious right.
That the civil-rights of any minority group that is discriminated against in our country can be voted away by the people doing the discriminating, is truly disheartening and disgusting.
This is not majority rule.
This is mob rule.
what a shameful dated country, i thank god every day that i don't live in it. land of the free and equal opportunity indeed,
hyp?o?crite??/?h?p?kr?t/
–noun 1. a person who pretends to have virtues, morals, or principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.
Hiram Monserrate voted against marriage equality, but has been convicted of domestic violence. He's a criminal.
@ 43 – Lance Rockland
I like what you are saying.
It has been said that the best defense, is a good offense?
So, why are we always on the defensive and never on the offensive like the religious right?
The religious right has always been on the offensive and that is not likely to stop. Like you, I say that it is time to change our strategy and go on the offensive ourselves.
Unless, of course, we like being shat upon.
Why are we not paying any attention to the Olsen-Boies lawsuit? Thats the last and best hope we have left. Like someone else said, let's hope a conservative justice dies so Obama can put a new liberal one in.
Shame on NY, but couples can continue coming to CT to wed.
So kudos to CT on the one year anniversary of its marriage equality law.
Onward to equality,
Joe Mustich, Justice of the Peace,
Washington, Connecticut, USA
If Justice John Paul Stevens and Ruth Bader Ginsberg were in their thirties and in good health, I would switch to Green party. Republicans are slimy, but Democrats are weak and slimy.
Go to conservative Iowa. Gay marriage is legal there.
Brian, not for long. There's a movement there too, 20 people at a time are meeting in houses and they want to replace any politician or judge that voted for gay rights. Here's a good recipe for politicians:
http://www.odditycentral.com/p.....-hand.html
Those of us who live in New York are not surprised by this at all. The idiots in Albany are a bunch of backwater schmucks who couldn't care less about an issue that only has resonance in the city. With the exception of NYC (where I'm from), the state of NY is incredibly conservative.
Personally I don't expect to see gay marriage to become a reality in New York during my lifetime (and I'm only 25). My advice is to not allow the government's acknowledgement, or lack thereof, of us as citizens to run the decisions we make in life. Vote libertarian. Eliminate the chance of the state to "recognize" ANYONE's marriages. The state doesn't belong in our bedrooms anyway.
>The idiots in Albany are a bunch of backwater schmucks who couldn't care less about an issue that only has resonance in the city. With the exception of NYC (where I'm from), the state of NY is incredibly conservative.
6 of the 8 Dem "no" votes were from Dems representing a city borough…most (4) from Queens, of all the funny coincidences. The other two represent the Bronx and Brooklyn. So much for the progressive city folk theory.
The NY Court of Appeals (New York's top court) is now the key in that state. Three of the judges have already said that marriage is a right that gay couples have, and that the state must allow same-sex marraige. The other four ruled for the gay couples, but decided they didn't need to 'reach' the marriage question. When the marriage question is squarely before the court, I would be surprised if all four rule against it.
In the mean time — Thanks for the list of NY Senators who want us to give money to their opponents.
I used to be merely heterophobic. From this moment forward, I am a gay supremacist.
@30 Herbo:
Epic win for the Divine quote. The New York Senate has been convicted of Assholism, and they need the same punishment Connie and Raymond Marble got. I'm not kidding.
@43 Lance Rockland:
Not only should the Filthy Mormons' history of racism and anti-Indian genocide be required to be taught in schools, but so should the Filthy Catholics' role in the Holocaust.
@57 Shea:
I'm voting Libertarian from here on in and will be actively working to strip breeders of the freebies they get for the "marriage" licenses they don't deserve. And I will also be working to get rid of the taxes from which they get benefits.
No special rights for breeders!
Start spreading the news: New York sucks. Jets suck, Mets suck, Giants suck, Yankees suck. The movie versions of Broadway shows were all better than the originals. Your cab drivers should all be on the no-fly list. Your real estate is overpriced. Your taxes are too high. And the people there are assholes. If New Jersey is the nation's armpit, New York is its armpit sweat. I knew deep down that New Yorkers were a bunch of self-righteous, pushy assholes, but this confirms it. If I had to choose between living in New York or Texas, I'd choose Texas. Lower taxes, no draconian gun laws, no attempts to regulate the ingredients of food, actual evidence of nature, same level of equality.
I am boycotting all things New York from now on. Hey, Indians! You want it back? You can have it back for free. Keep the 24 bucks and the beads.
I love Connecticut, and not just because I was born there.
Love the justification Diaz used to justify his no vote, he said Obama has the same belief on gay marriage as he does. Once again, Obama helps the no votes justify themselves with his silence.
Don't fall for the idea that the city of New York is open-minded. Far from it. There are a couple of enclaves where you won't get bashed – probably one or two streets. The rest of the city is homophobic.
How many blacks voted "no" to gay marriage? Enquiring minds wish to know. I wouldn't be surprised if they were almost all black.
Black people tend to be have a homophobic mindset. It's time we exposed them.
Boy, that wasn't even close. Who thought it was a good idea to bring it up for a vote right now?
ACT UP. ACT UP. ACT UP.
Our brave gay brothers organized for their rights and changed things. Is anyone else out there interested in organizing? For something forceful and with a bit of peaceful civil disobedience? Please let me know.
Adam, in Maine this was not the case. I can remember one time at the dinner table I had told my family I was agnostic. My father gently said something to which I had replied, "It's just a crutch." My father was one of five children from immigrant parents. My grandfather was Greek and my Grandmother came from Ireland. They came to America when times were tough. Either you sank or you swam. There were no safety nets back then. They were one of the couples who had succeeded. The mother had died unexpectedly in her thirties. Misdiagnosed. My Grandfather had all of these children, several businesses, and was devastated by the loss of his soul mate. My father was five when she died. He saw house keepers come and go. In his five year old brain, these maternal women seemed motherly, but then they would leave, get married, go away, leaving him crushed. He even went so far as to clean the house and be really well-behaved, so that they wouldn't leave. My Grandfather had many friends, one of whom was a Monsignor at the local Catholic Church. It clearly wasn't a good situation, so the Catholic Church took him under their wing. They taught him so much. He took to it like a duck to water. They were Holy men and wise, not molesters, thankfully. He became an altar boy and never let the Church far out of his sight. Now, fast forward to this 16 year old punk at the dinner table spouting off about being an agnostic. My father was not an emotional man, shut down, really. He rose out of his seat and said, almost breathlessly, from some place deep in the pit of his stomach, the place where opera singers pull music, "You've never needed Him!" I had never seen him so bothered. Muscles were twitching in his face that I had not known existed. He was right. I had two beautiful parents who loved each other and didn't fight, I grew up in a museum of a house (my mother's thing), I had lovely siblings, a labrador, a cabin, food in my mouth, safety, all of the things that he didn't have. Mostly, I didn't have the fear that he had growing up. He relied on God in ways I will never be able to fathom. After Prop 8, I was so angry. Reports that the impoverished communities voted against same-sex marriage were coming out. One day in the shower, this memory came back to me of my Dad. I realized that many of these "blacks" grew up in situations that would give us night terrors. They likely cling to God like a life raft. Until we know this kind of desperation and fear and spiritual yearning, it would be best if sensitivity prevailed. Comments, words, are too powerful not to use with empathetic prudence. Sorry for the trip down memory lane peeps.
#51…. I agree, it's time we go on the offensive and start dealing with our enemies the way they deal with us.
@ 1EqualityUSA
You have far to much empathy, self reflection and perception-WHAT are you doing commenting here!!???
A lot of commenters have left Queerty because of the way the editors behave and what they are like.
I still lurke but don't comment as often.
Lets hope you don't get demoralised by how they consistently instigate conflict to make money or score points which just leaves you depressed.
How very 'Top Down' in the 'internet age'…
I hate to say, "I told you so!" oh wait I don't hate that I love it, so I'll say it again only louder this time….
I TOLD YOU SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Booya another in a long history of WINS!
I LOVE NY!
@ 1EqualityUSA
But I agree with you.
I deal with people who lack so much empathy and self refection it's scary.
Very capitalist.
Colonisation by the Whites-France, Britain, Spain, Italy and laster USA in the 20th C-completely broke Africa.
Desmond Tutu said the best quote-
“When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said "Let us pray." We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land.”
Education…
Poverty…
Knowledge…
Are the areas that voted 'yey'…erm have a lot of the above?
#68 MICHAEL LETTERMAN: PLEASE DO NOT POST ANY REPLIES TO THIS ASSHATS POSTS. HE RUNS THRU THESE THREADS LEAVING HIS POO THROUGHOUT. OK MICHAEL WE SAY YOUR POST. NOW BE THE GOOD LITTLE BITCH THAT YOU ARE AND TAKE YOUR 350lb. ASS OUT OF YOUR BASEMENT APARTMENT IN YOUR MOMMY'S HOUSE AND AFTER YOU ARE DONE GETTING A BLOWJOB FROM HER GO TO YOUR FAVORITE CRUISE AREA AND GET BAREBACKED TONIGHT LIKE ALL SELF HATING FAGS DO……..
Log Cabin VICHY queers sputtering about Dems not having their promised votes.
YEAH, how G*D DAMN convenient you had ZERO promised votes.
pathetic self loathing old queens…go walk some old biddy to the opera ….it's your JOB #1
PopNsnap: You have the right idea, we need to wait till the elder rightwing-nutbag zealots basically all just fuck off and die (literally!) As to the Supremes baring a sudden death we are shit outta luck on that one. John Paul Stevens (89) and Ruth Ginsbure (76 w/cancer) are likely the next to go and they are among the liberal wing of the court……………..
I guess our last/best hope is the Supreme Court in a few years. I would hope that any gay diagnosed with terminal cancer would take one of those Conservative Justices (like Antonin Scalia) with him/her before it came up for a vote! ;)
Those who are saying Fuck the Democrats need to realize 75% of Dems votes FOR Equality… while 100% of Republicans voted AGAINST Equality.
Sure, target those Dems who voted against equality, but most importantly target the Republicans.
Also, NYers should be thankful to the Dem caucus for forcing a vote to unveil who should be targeted.
Lastly, ALL should write a letter to Obama stating that his position allows coverage to HIS adversaries in their position, and remind him that his adversaries are not the ones who will get him reelected.
Terrwill, Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Dear John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's), I loved the Desmond Tutu quote you posted, "“When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said "Let us pray." We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land.”
You had asked why I stay on a site like Queerty. It's the posters I enjoy the most. The greatest fiction writer in the world couldn't come up with these characters. I learn quite a bit too. I have two new words in my vocabulary thanks to these boys. Actually several, but two that are for special occasions.
@ no. 165 – 1EqualityUSA
I will echo my dear friend, InExile's, sentiment.
You have far to much empathy, self reflection and perception-WHAT are you doing commenting here!!???
And you apologized for the trip down memory lane? You nearly had me in tears. Your post was beautiful and I want to thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for sharing it with us.
You are an inspiration to those of us who regularly read and post on these threads. Would that we could aspire to your level of thinking and your eloquence. The compliment once paid to me comes to mind.
You are a good egg.
This has to be dealt with at the federal level by the US Supreme Court.
@ 1EqualityUSA
Fair enough. You're stronger than I am but we live in an eco-system and all have different skills plus attributes to make the world go round….
But I have to say, I've learnt a lot about very mean people here! So that IS good because life isn't full of nice people…so yeah..
Schlukitz, I hope you are feeling better today. It bothers me when you hit the doldrums. My black baby kitten had to go back home today. Jane, one of the Girlie-Q's meowed inconsolably at the loss of her panther friend. I'm sort of in a funk too. She's next door, so I can still see her, but our house is a little emptier without our 6 month old house guest. So how goes it in New York? Any rallies? Riots? Rants? Florence, the other girlie-Q will not let me write tonight. She's missing panther-gir' too. Take care.
John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's), Just focus on the good in people. It makes for a happier, healthier life. I'm shocked on occasion, but it's like colors on a palette, without the darks, the lights wouldn't shine as brightly.
Ok Boys no need to respond to me I'm still riding the high of being right. If a democrat infused state like NY sees things my way I can only imagine how it will go in less liberal states.
The time has come and one by one
your lifestyle will be undone
the law has spoke and it sides with me
and all I have to say is YIPPEEEEE!!!
I wanted to be able to congratulate Robert and the other New Yorkers who were looking forward to being treated like equals.
But as usual a combination of right centrist Republicans and right centrist Democrats screwed us over again. The Clinton legacy lives on in Diaz and Obama.
We need marriage equality in spite of the fact that marriage is not exactly the best way to partner up. Partnering should be free and easy to get in and out of. The tax and other benefits now reserved for straights couples should be open to everyone, including single people. Except for matters relating to protection of women and children the state really has no legitimate business interfering in partnering.
Beyond that, the cults have absolutely no business interfering with partnering, whether it’s civil partnerships, marriages or civil unions. In other countries severe limits are put on the cult’s interference in civil and political matters. We need some of that action here.
The cult’s opposition to SSM ought to be muzzled and they should lose their unfair tax exemption. Why should we be paying taxes for archbishops and televangelists who live in mansions and get driven around in luxolimos?
The things that create the most revenue for the deadbeats called priests, pastors and ministers are raking in money on marriage, donations from deluded people, unfair tax breaks and bribes from the Obama administration disguised as funding for ‘faith based’ charities. Part of our fight for civil equality has to be to take away their financial base.
But an even more important part is that we have to break with Democrats and sellouts who want us to wait a few more years to get our agenda. Democrats and Republicans alike are our political enemies.
Schlukitz, What was it you said? "Deprive it of oxygen" Yes, wise words.
@76 Trey:
Do you work for HRC or something? If we hadn't chosen party over principles we may have fucking had the goddamn votes years ago. Why should Republicans help us when we flocked to the Democrats and expected them to make fucking magic happen? A uni-partisan movement makes it easier for the other party to attack us. And maybe our supposedly wonderful organizations who Do So Much For The Cause™ should have actively helped pro-gay marriage Republican Dede Scozzafava against her bigot opponents (including anti-gay Democrat Bill Owens who won)?
I'm thankful to both the Democrats and the Republicans for reminding me why I'm voting Libertarian for the rest of my natural life. This is proof positive that gays (nor any minority) cannot rely on the government to protect our rights.
Homosexuality is a moral good. That it is a barrier against overpopulation alone should be enough reason to justify it.
Oh, and all those Republicans would be considered liberals if they came down to the South.
@85 Bill Perdue:
YOU are defending tax benefits? Bad socialist, bad bad bad!
@ no. 67 – John From England
My sincere apologies for attributing something you said, to my friend InExile, although I am certain that he is thinking exactly the same thing.
I was typing without my reading glasses and EnExile's post was immediately above yours, which was what made me think that he made your very observant commentary.
Were it not for for the limited number people like you, InExile, 1EqualityUSA, Terrwill and a couple of other posters who know who they are and with whom I have established a nice report, I believe I would have long become like you…a lurker who doesn't comment very often.
Be that as it may, while your comments may indeed have become limited, they are choice and right on the money when you choose to honor us with them. ;)
A no. 81 – 1EqualityUSA
Thank you kindly for your warm words of consolation. They meant a lot to me and are very much appreciated, especially on this particularly sad day, when our community has suffered yet another setback.
Having been brought up in the country on a farm, in upstate New York, I can relate to your obvious affinity with and love of animals. They do bring so much joy into our lives, do they not? They work their way into our hearts with so little effort and when they are no longer with us, the loss is, indeed, inconsolable.
With my here, there and everywhere lifestyle, I am prevented from keeping a pet, either here in NYC or at my home in Florida. My hubby and I do, however, have two wonderful pets in the Philippines…a black lab named Wizzard and a zest-for-life filled mutt named Bantay, who loves Wizzard and keeps him in check. Both are males.
Bantay, incidentally, is the Tagalog word for "guard". lol A fraction of the size of Wizzard, some guard dog he make, which is why we gave him the tongue-in-cheek label. ;-P
As to how it goes here in New York, well, truth be known, I have been on the Internet for most of the day and all I know of the dismaying rejection of SSM by the New York Senate, is what I read here on Queerty.com and Towelroad, the two sites that I spend most of my spare time on.
Janero, my painter, turned friend, turned room-mate and I will probably be turning the TV on when he comes upstairs from painting on the second floor, to watch the 11:00 o'clock news with me. No doubt and since it is New York TV, there should be a considerable amount of coverage on the the New York Senate vote. It will be very interesting to see what the concensus of public opinion is.
Film at 11:30 as Werner used to say. LOL
Eight DINOS joined the GOP to defeat same-sex marriage in NYS. Well, we all know what this means… no same-sex marriage in New Jersey.
@ #65 1EqualityUSA:
Beautiful, moving and enlightening story. Thanks.
This is why I stopped voting Democrat 10 years ago and looked at the independent categories. it started with the Clintons playing to the gays and then tossing us on the train tracks. I respect Republicans for staying true to who they claim to be. the Dems on the other hand take our dollars and then do nothing for us.
Queerty: are you happy now? you keep pressing the government to do something, and this is what happens when it's not the right time! And this is why DADT hasn't been brougt before Congress yet.
There is never going to be a "right time". We have to make the "right time". Nothing just happens at random, it happens because we put our heads up and fight for what we believe in.
We have the choice to do it now. Yes, right now. We have to choose between activism and partying. Which is it going to be?
You don't win equality by spending all your energies and time on party drugs and dance clubs. These things are pure indulgence. Nobody has ever won any rights on the basis of party drugs and dance clubs.
Time to ditch the drugs and dance clubs, guys.
It's been years since we made any progress in New York. Considering the administration has been Democratic for much of this time, it's truly fascinating.
It suggegsts that we've been hoodwinked into voting Democrat without really having anything done in terms of increasing our rights. Either we've been asleep at the wheel or we've been wilfully ignorant.
Schlukitz,
My partner and I took a Tagalog class before we bought our house. After we bought our house, classes, "just for fun" went away. I was getting good at it. My co-workers grill me on it. I like to learn odd stuff like, "I can't believe it's not butter." They eat that on their toast. Next, I want to learn, "Kills millions of germs on contact." Eventually, it would be nice to say, "In America, everyone is treated equally under the law." Paalam Po
Now that we've suffered this huge loss and I was under no illusion that we would win, unlike the idiot Tom Duane who predicted we'd win by a very narrow margin and that the votes were there, brace yourselves for the November 2010 election. Its going to be a republican governor who will veto any bill coming across his or her desk. The closet republicans in the democratic party who voted for discrimination and bigotry will make sure that a republican will be the next governor of this state. End result……….zero equality for decades to come. Time to ditch the democratic party once and for all. I dare say Obama is jubilant at the outcome of this vote since he's fiercely opposed to marriage equality. He's part of the problem unfortunately. Expect NO repeal of DADT either. Supporting the democrats is only empowering the bigots who voted for second class citizenship.
Our Greatest Strength is Also Our Greatest Weakness…
Why should the birthright of equality for tens of millions of GLBT American citizens first depend upon getting a majority of people to stop hating them? There would be a tidal wave of blood flowing in the streets and entire cities set ablaze if any other minority' s rights were put up so callously for majority approval by a lynch mob disguised as a so-called "public referendum".
The concept of a Bill of Rights and a Federal Constitution which originally guaranteed inalienable equality and unimpeachable rights is truly dead in America. Human equality and civil rights in the United States now mainly depends upon how popular you are with your local neighbors who have been, for the most part, brain-washed by the various perversions of the Christian religion into hating you — that is, if you just happen to belong to the GLBT community.
As I stated before, the most primal, gut-level reaction to that kind of invidious injustice would be to understandably strike out with fury and outrage against your oppressors. Yet, like millions of other civilized people before us — witness the millions of Jews who walked meekly into the concentration camps, and to their deaths, in Nazi Germany– we too are victims of our own civility.
Ironically, the gentleness and the Christ-like benevolence of the GLBT community is our greatest virtue — but, sadly, it can also be our greatest weakness too.
If I was a religious type (which I am not) I would suspect that there are far more homosexuals in heaven than homophobic bigots. Just remember JC's own words: "That which you do unto the least among you, you do unto me."
Ol' Satan must be stoking Hell's fires in anticipation of the YES on Discrimination and NO on equality votes cast by State Senators' in New York tonight. Hell's anxiously awaiting these loathsome hate-mongers (as well as NOM, Bible-Nazis in the Catholic Church, Evangelical Tele-Scumbags, Islamic Murders, Mormon Bigots, etc.) and all other perpetrators of hatred against their GLBT neighbors across the world. So – my advise to them – be sure to stock up on mega doses of Oxycontin (Rush Limbaugh knows some great suppliers) and bring a cooler with you — you'll need it.
And don't let the oven-door hit you in the ass on the way out.
hmmmm…maybe that should read:
"And don't let the oven-door hit you on the ass on the way in."
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Well…you get the point. There ought to be some big time Karmic payback for these slimes.
As far as I'm concerned, the NYS democratic party has written its own death warrant. I don't give a damn who controls this state any more, we lose either way.
Cindy, sorry, but you're wrong. Here's the list of 8 Dems who voted for discrimination and bigotry:
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:32 pm
NY Senate Democrats voting “NO” on equal marriage bill: Joseph Addabbo (D-Queens) – NO• Darrel Aubertine (D- Cape Vincent) – NO… See More• Ruben Diaz (D-Bronx) – NO• Shirley Huntley (D-Queens) – NO• Carl Kruger (D-Brooklyn) – NO• Hiram Monserrate (D-Queens) – NO• George Onorato (D-Queens) – NO• William Stachowski (D-Buffalo) – NO
Excellent, 1EqualityUSA. :)
magandang gabi po
I am really sorry.
This should not have happened.
A sad day indeed.
I wonder how many of the dem traitors are Catholic?
those Catholic Bishops are getting on my LAST nerve.
Stonewall Democrats in NY, begin finding primary challengers to EACH of the 8 Dems who stuck a knife in our backs.
ANY queer NO voter in NY, we will expose you, and your career is OVER!
This proves how backward NYS is. We couldn't even get it passed. Even Maine was able to get it passed initially and did a better job even though it lost by a small margin on the referendum. We lost by a huge margin, one quarter of the votes needed. I can't believe there are hundreds of thousands of gay voters in those districts where the 8 bigots reside, enough to get them voted out of office. HRC and Empire State Pride Agenda have now become irrelevant and useless, just like the DNC. My advice….stop donating to them and stop supporting the democrats. Its clear there was no arm twisting to get the 8 who now call the shots on equality to change. Not one republican of course voted for the bill, to be expected which doesn't say much for Mayor Bloomberg, the primary source of income for the state GOP and who allegedly was supposed to get a few moderates on board. I wonder what Bloomberg ass-kisser David Mixner will have to say about that? Never trust a politician, especially a democrat.
Wow! I didnt expect it to lose in New York of all places. Guess you never know?
I think the Congress should step up to the plate on this and resolve this problem. People will never be trusted to do the best thing when if left to their own devices.
I think religious groups should have a real beneficial meeting with lawmakers once and for all.Its obvious this is a blackmail. Apparently they want the absolute protection to protect them from acting outside their beliefs on anything that has to do with gays. Honestly, i say give it to em. Let them not hire gays, process adoption for them, house them or whatever. That is what they want.
Once they get this they will back off. i dont think they will really bat an eyelash on who gets married to whom anymore under law so far they dont have to accomodate it under their religiosity. They wont care.
God, this is really a disappointing piece of information. NY FAIL INDEED
Can anyone think of any gay rights legislation that has passed in the state of New York while there's been a Democrat governor or Democrat-controlled House? I can't think of any, certainly not in the last 30 years.
As for this attempt to legalize gay marriage, it was a stunt by the Governor to make us think he's on our side. He knew well in advance that the numbers weren't there.
Naghanenu, I couldn't sleep last night. Religious groups won't back off if we "give them protections allowing them to legally discriminate. In my tossing, I thought of how perfect this conflict is for the Obama administration. Since we are all doing battle with one another, fewer are scrutinizing Obama's every move. What a fantastic red herring, in this case, "pink" herring. All eyes are on each other and not him. This is advantageous to his administration. Audrey Hepburn, when she was very young, lived in the Nazi-occupied Netherlands during World War II, Belgium, I believe. I remember her telling a story about how all of the Jews were being harassed and were forced to wear black arm bands. She relayed that many of the non-Jewish people in her town took to wearing these arm bands as a show of support for their oppressed brothers and sisters, which was scary. The Germans couldn't tell who was and was not Jewish. Perhaps the gay and sympathetic straight communities need to indicate, rather boldly, the desire for all to have equality. Could you imagine how powerful that would be? People would be showing up for mass with some bold symbol on their person, a slap in the face to all who enjoy legislated discrimination. Bravery comes in many forms. The more people join forces, the less powerful the oppressors become.
I think this also proves how much Governor Paterson underestimated the bigotry in the democratic party, almost as bad as the GOP and how Tom Duane and others were duped. How on earth does that idiot come up with…"the votes are there"? I also think Paterson knew they weren't there either. Malcolm Smith was absolutely right but nobody listened to him.
Personally, I think the entire strategy was wrong for getting it to the floor for a vote, irrespective of weeding out our enemies. We sort of knew who they were. This should end up in the state supreme court for a decision. The bench needs to determine if civil marriage is a right, privilege or benefit and whichever it is, if it extends to the majority, then under the equal protection clause of the constitution, it must also apply to minorities. That's the only way out of this. Further, if the court were to determine it is a right or privilege, it negates the need for the legislature to have a say in matters of rights. In addition, if the legislature passes bills and there happens to be a governor in opposition, he or she should be compelled to sign a bill and not be allowed the power of veto.
What happened yesterday was the NYS democratic party voting for no representation for LGBT people but with full taxation. There is something intrinsically wrong with that and it needs to be addressed, over and over. Religious beliefs should not be allowed to trample on civil issues and its about time religious cults' full representation be reversed and compel them to pay their share of the tax burden which we shoulder if they want to continue advocating for legal discrimination and segregation against us, a violation of their tax-exempt status. Time to get tough on all levels and go after these bastards with every weapon at our disposal.
As for Ruben Diaz, how does a religious cult leader get to be elected to office? I bet his cult pays no taxes.
1EqualityUSA, I didn't sleep either so I had to get up.
On May 26, 2009, former city comptroller William Thompson issued a report stating that if same sex marriage were legalized in the state, it could expect to gain at least $210 million within three years. In a state currently in financial crisis bordering on bankruptcy, it now looks that all of that revenue will now end up in Connecticut and elsewhere. Its obvious the 8 bigots don't care about the financial situation affecting the state. It also impacts virtually every aspect of the services industry in the state, florists, printers, stationers, hotels, catering establishments, travel, small business that would gain the most in a recession. Its a nice chunk of change to pump into the state coffers but I suppose our state no longer needs it. So lets spend and spend in Connecticut and in other more progressive gay friendly states and countries including any donations we might have sent to the DNC and other useless organizations who are only interested in making money first and foremost as well as attending fancy galas to pat one another on the back while they're stabbing us in the back from the get go.
Robert, NYC, Prior to same-sex marriage equality in Massachusetts, the pressure on "decision makers" was intense. It's unnerving to have seemingly powerful anti-gay forces making a "visit" to the office. Letters go out too. They even sent out blackmail letters to businesses prior to prop 8. Weak-kneed politicians cave into this pressure.
Dear RobertNYC, I have always felt that their was a financial component to this discrimination. It costs money to be fair to the oppressed and ensure that they are given the benefits and legal protections that heterosexuals now enjoy. So, even though, in the short term, revenue would be up, in the long term, some dark figure in a smoky room crunched the numbers and decided to let this abhorrent discrimination carry on for as many years as possible.
1EqualityUSA, the same tactic was used here in NYS. Not one republican voted for us because of next year's election prospects, following the defeat in Maine and California. Not even Bloomberg could get the handful of moderates on board that he thought he could. We're damned either way. Religion trumps everything in this society and in this state. Politicians will sell their souls to shaft us just to pacify their larger groups of constituents and protect their careers. Ironic that the democratic party voted against us but not surprising. We now have to stop allowing them to take our votes for granted. If NOM and other hate organization are now controlling equality issues, then the dems are going to pay a high price for inaction. Next November, no votes should be cast for any democrat eyeing the governorship or any other elected office and who is a foe of equality and definitely NO financial support should be forthcoming from us. Absolutely NOT! That message needs to get out there, NOW.
1EqualityUSA, absolutely, a financial component is always at the root of it. Take away that from the dems and you'll see a different reaction. They need to learn a hard lesson and we need to get extremely tough with them. We've failed dismally in that area no thanks to HRC, Empire State Pride Agenda and the DNC, apologists for delay on ENDA, DADT, DOMA. I predict ENDA won't get passed before 2012 and neither will DADT. Forget about DOMA, not going to happen after yesterday's disaster, a severe setback for this state and for the marriage equality movement.
"Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing…after they have exhausted all other possibilities." —- Winston Churchill
Check out former Comptroller Thompson's report.
http://www.comptroller.nyc.gov.....5-131.shtm
I'm using my Obama Tee shirts as dust rags now, too embarrassed to wear them out in public. The blue is great for polishing metals too. Like I said, if Justice Ruth Bader Ginberg and Justice John Paul Stevens were in their thirties and healthy as horses, I'd bail on the Democratic party.
Exerpt from Comptroller Thompson's report, "Thompson further noted that since domestic partners of New York State and City employees already are eligible for health benefits under the law, it’s unlikely that the public sector would incur additional costs due to spousal health benefits if marriage for same-sex couples if legalized." Post #111 of mine is speaking Federally, not locally.
Sorry for all the typo's and misspellings. I need my Peet's Coffee.
1Equality, I'm with you. I've already bailed on them. They've lost me and my financial support for good. My partner and I will spend our money in Connecticut and we've actually discussed selling our home and moving there. Why help out NYS? Doesn't deserve us. Serves it right. It can go to hell for all I care.
We ought to mail all of our Obama shirts to the White House.
@Adam: Racism much? I watched the debate and the majority of Senators who came to the floor to speak in favor of the bill were black or hispanic. The votes against us were almost all white. Ruth Hassell-Thompson and Eric Adams were particularly eloquent African-American supporters.
There goes your small minded, racist assumptions.
Keep your peepers on Iowa. You know, "where the corn grows as high as an elephant's eye".
A change in the political balance favoring Republicans in the state legislature could put same-sex marriage on the ballot.
I'm soooooooo glad my partner and I (of 35 years) were married (Sept. 13, 2004) in a legitimate democracy which truly respects human rights – Canada.
Too bad we're both too old and poor to move there now from Kansas. I guess the closest we'll ever come to Canada again is when the geese fly back over our heads next Spring; heading home to the best country on the North American continent.
No. 75 • Trey says Sure, target those Dems who voted against equality, but most importantly target the Republicans.
Trey, why not be honest. There are lots and lots of bigoted Democrats we should target. Beginning with Obama, who galvanized the christian-bigot vote in California with "gawd's in the mix" and did his level best to pass Prop 8 and take away SSM rights we'd already won.
Then go on to Obama's VP, Biden. He voted for DOMA and never repudiated it. And add Tim Kaine, an anti-choice, anti GLBT Dixiecrat and a bigot. He along with Leah Daughtry, an ordained pentecostal bigot who's rabidly anti-LGBT, run Obama’s DNC. And don't forget Rahm Emanuel and the Democrats in Congress who refuse to repeal DOMA and show no signs of passing ENDA or repealing DADT any time soon.
And don't forget fatherly old liberal Attorney General Eric Holder who files brief after brief in defense of DOMA and DADT using vile lies claiming we're child molesters and etc. And don't forget John Berry, the highest ranking homosexual (don't even think about describing him as gay or queer) in the Obama WH who’s the WH point man in yet another defense of DOMA.
And last but not least go after Josh Dubois, another ordained pentecostal minister and bigot who organized Obama's outreach to christers last year and got christian scum like Warren and McClurkin on board for Obama. Dubois is now in charge of passing out billions of dollars through the WH office of 'faith based' to bribe pulpit pimps.
Given all that, it seems clear that the Republicans are bad the Democrats are just as bad and that people who still support the Democrats are in the last closet, the political closet.
They should come out and enjoy the fresh air of political independence
@Leanleft: There is no group called EQNY. The Pride Agenda wanted a vote, even if they were going to lose, so they would know where Senators stood. Too many Senators were being two-faced or fence sitters. Their release after the vote basically said now we know who you are and we're coming after you, haters.
@Steve: The NY Court of Appeals has already ruled that there is no constitutional right to marriage in New York. Google Hernandez v. Robles. They will not fix this.
The case you're referring to is about whether or not New York must recognize out-of-state same-sex marriages. That may eventually be decided in our favor by the court, but it will only protect the status quo – you can BE gay married in New York, but you can't GET gay married here. You have to go elsewhere and come back.
Rainfish….actually, a GOP comeback in Iowa is inevitable. NOM has vowed to overturn it once that happens an believe me, it will happen. NOM and the other hate groups are far more powerful, wealthier and outnumber us. So far, they're enjoying incremental success. If we were that organized we wouldn't be having this discussion and NYS would have passed the bill yesterday. We have the wrong people leading us and no democrat has the guts to stand up to the bigots in their own party let alone the cults who support them financially. Useless organizations such as HRC and Empire State Pride Agenda are in denial about a lot of things, one of them being that NYS is a trendsetter on social issues. It is NOT, other states and countries have proved that to be false. Its only NYC that is liberal, head outside the city and you have a very conservative, red-type of state with a strong roman cult presence the further upstate you go. I very much doubt if a democrat will be the next governor of our state.
Most independent voters recently polled, the largest voting bloc in the country, have said they'll not vote democrat in 2010. Given that situation, if Lazio wins the governship in November and probably will, there will be NO marriage bill passed because republicans automatically veto equality legislation with impunity. Nothing will change that.
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Cindy, sorry, but you're wrong. Here's the list of 8 Dems who voted for discrimination and bigotry:
>>December 2nd, 2009 at 4:32 pm
NY Senate Democrats voting “NO” on equal marriage bill: Joseph Addabbo (D-Queens) – NO• Darrel Aubertine (D- Cape Vincent) – NO… See More• Ruben Diaz (D-Bronx) – NO• Shirley Huntley (D-Queens) – NO• Carl Kruger (D-Brooklyn) – NO• Hiram Monserrate (D-Queens) – NO• George Onorato (D-Queens) – NO• William Stachowski (D-Buffalo) – NO
Um..that's exactly what I said..4 from Queens, 1 from Brooklyn, 1 from the Bronx = 6 of the 8 from NYC.
1 from Cape Vincent, 1 from Buffalo = the only two outside of the 5 boroughs to vote against
You'all that live in NYC now have some very clear targets during the next round of elections. Go get 'em!
Bill, you are so right about that. The problem with a lot of gays who support the dems do so because they have no faith in voting independently and insist that voting for a third party is a waste of a vote. They've bought into the notion that only the democratic party can win them their rights and that the two party system is the only one that works. If millions of us stopped supporting the moderate conservative party called Democratic, then maybe we'd stand a chance of getting our equality by pouring our energy and resources into parties that actually do support us. The democrats only support us when an election is imminent, they take our money and run, then stab us in the back in the final hour of decision making as we've seen with Obama, among others. Time that ended once and for all and a good time is NOW.
@Cindy:
Sen. Hiram Monserrate – who voted against us – already has a primary opponent who has voted FOR marriage equality twice in the Assembly. I suggest we all send him some $$$ now, give him some volunteer time later, and make sure he wins:
http://www.joseperalta.com/
@Adam-
Uh, 9 of 11 black NY State Senators voted for marriage equality.
Thank you for playing.
Sam, if that's the case then if the state issues marriage licenses as a privilege, then wouldn't equal protection similarly apply to the offended minority? Aren't we supposed to have the same privileges?
If the courts can't help us, I see militancy rearing its head. It may be the only way to get what we want. Civil disobedience that we saw in the 60s maybe our only option. If we're not going to get our full equality, then we should demand a reduction in our taxes, including city taxes for those of us who live here, or exempt us since we clearly do not have full representation in the state. We are being taxed without any representation, unlike the religious parasitical cults who pay nothing but get far more protection and far more rights than we do.
Further, those same sex married couples in states where it is allowed should should also demand no federal taxation since they are barred from any of the 1000 or more rights at the federal level. Again, a case of no representation with full taxation. I don't understand why useless organizations like HRC, Empire State Pride Agenda and Lambda Legal Defense Fund aren't exploring it.
@Robert, NYC: It's all very complex, but basically the state can deny equal protection if it has a "rational government interest" in doing so. The New York Court of Appeals found in Hernandez that the state could have a rational interest to "create more stability and permanence in the relationships
that cause children to be born" or in promoting households where children are raised by opposite-sex parents. This "rational interest" has already been rejected by courts in more conservative parts of the country – including explicit rejection by the Iowa Supreme Court in their marriage decision – so it is possible that the NY Court of Appeals could reverse it's decision in the future, though I doubt they'll revisit the issue any time soon.
As for the federal marriage recognition issue, that lawsuit has already been filed by GLAD: Gill vs. OPM
Sam, thank you for the information.
Just for the hell of it, I recommend that New Yorkers who live near Connecticut, Vermont or Canada, if at all doable, do all of your shopping there. I'm not too far from Connecticut so on weekends, I will endeavor to drive there and do all my shopping for each and every week thereafter and make sure I even buy gas for the return trip, every little bit that I can do to make sure NYS doesn't get the bulk of my hard earned dollars that have contributed to schools and straight couples' childrens' education, among other things. Why contribute to our state's economy when we've been legally banished to second class citizenship without full representation? If some of us resolve to do that, we will have an impact on local businesses and the economy overall. The say knowledge is power, well, so is money. Its time to flex our economic muscle to get our message across that we won't be used any more or taken advantage of. Hit them where it hurts, in their pockets and coffers.
The following is my video message to ever New York State Senator who voted against the marriage equality bill:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrsZk35XBeQ
"We always sing about our country being the land of the free and the home of the brave. If you don't have the courage to speak about your position, then how can we not call you a coward."
Dear RobertNYC, I've seen many people die in my lifetime. Those nearing death always rally towards the end, fooling families on numerous occasions. The dying appear to miraculously get better right before they go. It got to the point where I would warn families about it, so they would understand what was happening. This surge in the legislation of discrimination and the Tedious Right appears to me to be one of those last hoorahs before the end. Constitutionally, discrimination cannot be tolerated. So, NOM-sters rally, click your heels, berate the oppressed, but know that your time is near. I've seen it before.
1Equality, I only hope you're right.
Further to my last post, I encourage everyone across the country, BOYCOTT NYC and NYS, stay away as a protest. When taking your vacation inside the U.S., avoid coming to our state. Spend your money in Connecticut, Vermont, Massachusetts and New Hampshire, or if you want a foreign destination and can afford it, spend your time and money in Canada, Spain, Belgium, Holland, Norway, Sweden or South Africa. Help us hurt our economy here in NYS, ditto for Maine and notify your local congressmen and women, senators, whoever is supposed to represent you.
Already done, RobertNYC, I even stopped buying Linda Greenlaw's books, (Maine) as she, as far as I could ascertain, didn't say a word against Maine's discriminatory "Question 1". I stopped giving to HRC too. The only organizations I give to now are NCLR (National Center for Lesbian Rights), Americans United for Separation of Church and State, and D.A.V. (Disabled American Vets). Everyone else can go fish.
1EqualityUSA, thanks so much. I appreciate it. I've just notified one of my representatives who voted for the bill, Senator Toby Stavisky informing her what some of her constituents plan to do in regard to shopping in Connecticut and elsehwere to hurt our state economy and to punish the party for allowing eight bigots to dictate the outcome of the legislation. I'm sure she'll respond once she reads it. I'll let readers know as soon as I hear from her. Similarly, I've notified my local Congressman.
There's a fantastic documentary about the woman who created the Vietnam Veterans Memorial wall in Washington D.C.(One of many pieces she's created.) The artist's name is Maya Ying Lin and she's so amazingly talented. I wish the queer community could talk her into creating a work of art that would list the names of every bigot who oppressed us. The sun will shine in our yard too, RobertNYC and when it does, brilliant artists like Maya Lin will be there to represent the pain endured by our community. I want the names of every politician, every NOM-skull, every Tedious Right who participated in this American oppression to be clearly legible on this queer memorial. Some day Americans will be shaking their heads in awe, just as we do now over the Japanese internment camps. Every artist needs to devote at least three pieces of work to this message, in whatever medium they work. We must never forget our oppressors.
1EqualityUSA, whatever it takes, I'm for it. I strongly believe though that our economic muscle is one option we can use as referenced in earlier posts. Money talks, talk doesn't. If Solmonese and Capelle are worth their salt, neither of whom I like, let them earn their keep that they're making off of some of us and use the same m.o. that I'm recommending to everyone. They have in the past gotten us absolutely nowhere fast. If they want more support from us, then they'll both need to grow a pair, big time, and fast. Other than that, I have no use for them and expect nothing from them.
@ no. 125 – Rainfish
Keep your peepers on Iowa. You know, "where the corn grows as high as an elephant's eye".
Not germane to the topic at hand, I know, but wasn't that line from the Broadway Show Oklahoma?
http://www.scoutsongs.com/lyri.....rning.html
Being the big corn-producing state that Iowa is, however, I see that line relating to it as well. ;)
Good afternoon, Robert and Kumusta po kayo, 1EqualityUSA.
I couldn't sleep a wink last night either.
I can't think of a thing to add to this conversation that hasn't already been said.
A sad day, indeed.
How do we go after Hiram Monserrate?
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/....._equality/
#146 Mr Schlukitz, humihinga pa sa awa ng diyos. Tamad na babae. Lazy today! I have a work run starting tomorrow. Petting Florence is my only occupation today. Relegated to one-handed typing, my left bicep is going to become larger, simply by supporting the weight of this cat. Yesterday, Jane slunk down over the back of my neck and fell asleep, straddling my C-7. At the risk of, again, opening up our community to accusations of bestiality, I wish HATErosexuals loved us as much as our kitties do. Animals are spiritually superior, by far, without even trying. Good day to you, Sir.
@ no. 60 – Attmay
How unfortunate that I should have domiciles in two homophobic states, Florida, my main residence, and the family home on my mother's side that I just inherited from my deceased uncle in 2007.
Were it not for the sagging real estate market, and the blood-bath I would have to take were I to sell them at this time, I would put both places up on the market and retire to the Philippines with my partner for good.
We may not have the right to marry down there either, but at least, no one is collecting money, campaigning and calling for laws to outlaw gays, make second-class citizens of us, criminalize us or imprison/execute us.
It may not be perfect, but at least I can live with it and sleep at night.
No one is talking about the most important item: his tie is hideous.
(humor is my defense mechanism).
A no. 148 – !EqualityUSA
I am relieved to learn that you are still breathing, with the grace of God. Karamihan ay nagpapasalamat para sa. ;-P
Lazy today, perhaps…but lazy woman? I highly doubt that…being lazy, I mean. LOL
You seem quite conversant with Tagalog. I dare say that your understanding and command of it far exceeds mine. While I can exchange a few polite pleasantries in it, I am far from fluent.
Because of the American occupation of the Philippines during WWI, English became the unofficial, official language there and it was during that period, that English began to be taught in the schools in addition to their native languages, of which there are many, as you no doubt are aware of.
Consequently, most younger and middle-aged people all speak English in addition to their own mother tongue, which pretty much takes the pressure off of visitors and foreign ex-patriots like myself, to learn the language. It is only the folks in my age bracket, who do not speak it and at time like those, I must rely on my hubby for assistance in translating.
My partner and I lived in Cabanatuan City, were he was born and lived with his family until I came onto the scene. LOL
For the first three years of our trans-oceanic relationship, we lived in a duplex there and everyone we knew, including his family spoke Tagalog, which is also the language spoken in Manila.
When we moved to the coast in La Union, we quickly discovered that everyone spoke Ilocano in that area and even my partner must resort to speaking English there, since no one understands or speaks Tagalog. LOL
So, in a real sense, the two of us are like fish out of water living where we do. However, the natural beauty of the area, the friendliness of the locals and having a sweeping vista of the China Sea from our house, plus the gorgeous sunsets, make up for any losses me might have incurred by moving up there from Cabanatuan City four years ago.
We will be celebrating our seventh anniversary come this New Years Eve.
This is why I LOVE CONNECTICUT!
NEW YORK SUCKS REAL BAD!!!
One of my favorite posts submitted by "Dennis":
wrote on May 14, 2009 9:54 PM:
" I grew up in the Philippines where 97% percent of the population is Catholic and the rest is either Muslim or other denominations. I went to an all-boys school run by Jesuits outside of Manila. Our science teachers would teach us about evolution while our religion teachers would discuss about the biblical creation. Religion and science teachers would never debate on the whole evolution/creation issue nor I would hear any religious parents complaining to the school board about their son or daughter being exposed to something against their beliefs. Public schools also teach evolution and sometimes they would invite priests or nuns to talk about God creating the whole universe. Everyone was just there to learn. No one complains, no one gets offended. Its too good to be true but yes, in the Phillippines they teach evolution on a religious run school!
I also never heard of a school back home denying admission to anyone who is gay, even if that institution is run by a religious organization. I also remember my school (run by Jesuits) had a very good volleyball team most of the members are gay. Also gay students can freely congregate anywhere in the school without being harassed.
When I came to the United States I was very surprised that there is so much fuss about evolution being taught in schools and homosexuality. And I’m more surprised that a lot of religious people are very vocal about their beliefs here. It’s more like “I am right and you are wrong” attitude.
I am also shocked that people here are getting killed or harassed for being gay. Believe it or not, in the Philippines most town (even the most rural) celebrations or fiestas would have gay beauty pageants, and yes even the town priest and public officials would be given the front row seats!
I am now married with 4 kids, I now live in Connecticut. My family is Catholic but we believe in the rights of all people including gay marriage. We have some gay friends who are married and I can vouch to all the people out there that gay marriage hasn’t affected my marriage at all!
p.s. there is a strong movement in the Philippines now that would make it the first country in Asia to legalize gay marriage. And also, the ban on gays from the military has been abolished long time ago.
I still dont know why we cant do the same thing here. "
@ no. 138 – Dean Chapin
Kudos to you, buddy. Well done.
My apologies for the typo. That should have been Sean, not Dean.
Ahhhh New York the city that never sleeps and now the city that proves the fag agenda to pervert marriage will not sully the land.
You keep thinking your a "protected gender" there are but two genders male and female. People do not get "sexual rights" so you deserve no more rights then the idiot in Japan who married an anime character. You want to have that right… move to Japan.
While your living here abide by the rules of this land. Boycott NY all you want. But if you're going to do it do it right. No New York fashion, no television which films in NY.. yeah that's right no more 30 Rock for you, etc. Or you can quit your complaining and try and fix the problem.
Your not rejected because of your choice of sex partner, what is rejected is the outrageous gay lifestyle which endorses some rather disgusting things.
I told you this would happen long ago, you didn't believe me then, you probably won't believe me now, yet the proof is there in the headlines.
Letterman, fuck off you filthy, ugly bastard!
I'm thankful, as are many, for you too, Schlukitz.
Dennis of the Philippines said…
Believe it or not, in the Philippines most towns (even the most rural) celebrations or fiestas would have gay beauty pageants, and yes even the town priest and public officials would be given the front row seats!
Thank you, 1EaqualityUSA for sharing Dennis' thoughts with the rest of us. What he speaks, is the truth.
I can substantiate that first-hand. My partner and I attended just such a paqeant last year in the small, rural city we live near in northwestern Luzon. It was held in the public plaza and I could not believe the sheer size of the crowd. Not only was each seat taken, there was barely standing room for us to find and the entire audience, without exception, was wildly enthusiastic and supportive of the gay performers. Not once, did I hear an anti-gay epithet or slur tossed at anyone, either on the stage or among the crowd.
I could not imagine anyone in the Philippines stooping so low, as to toss a dildo at a performer on the stage, as occurred at an Adam Lambert performance here in the States recently. That would be entirely unthinkable and the dildo tosser would be cooling his heels in a jail cell for having done so.
As an American who has lived with bigotry, hatred and discrimination all of my live in this country, I was totally blown away.
Everything Dennis had to say in your quote of his comments, 1EqualityUSA, is entirely true. Not a day goes by when I am in the Philippines, that I do not see both young girls (and boys as well) holding hands or having their arms around each other shoulders in a display of friendship and comaraderie with each other.
Over the past seven years that I have traveling back and forth between the USA and the Philippines, I have found the populace to be some of the warmest, most caring and supportive people I have encountered anywhere on the planet, and I have traveled extensively in my lifetime. And, like Dennis, I too am shocked that people here are being harassed or killed just for being gay.
WTF am I doing here, I have to ask myself?
Robert: such a potty mouth but considering what you use that mouth for I guess it really doesn't matter.
As for my being ugly, why are you fags so fixated on what I look like. I'm neither ugly nor georgous, not thin nor fat. I'm not short or tall not hirsute or bald. I'm fairly average in looks. I execell in other areas though.
@ no. 157 – Robert NYC
If you wish to extinguish a fire, you must deprive it of oxygen. ;)
Paano mo sasabihin sa Tagalog ang "asshole"? Walang oksiheno….walang oksiheno. Deprive it of oxygen.
Sheeny man, and I bet your mouth is a lot dirtier eating out your wife's stinky smelly twat that wouldn't do justice to a good plate of baccala!
Some cause happiness wherever they go. Others whenever they go.
Robert: I hope you wipe your shit off your partner's cock before you suck on it, but I doubt in the "heat of the moment" you remember to do that.
You are a shining example of why we, as a society, will continue to deny any "special" rights to your kind. In fact recent history shows a delcine in this concept rather than any forward movement. I am only suggesting you refect on this while you dream up invectives about my wife.
If you need to hate me for the truth I speak do so, if you need to hate me because I dare speak the truth, then find comfort in your ignorance.
@1EqualityUSA
Paano mo sasabihin sa Tagalog ang "asshole"?
Gago/Gaga will do very nicely. HeeHee
Has "Youcanthandlethetruth" risen from the ashes like a Phoenix under the new screen name of Michael Letterman?
Just sayin'.
This is just simply sad. No matter how you swing it!
No. 110 · 1EqualityUSA: Great idea
Hi everyone.
I think gays need to take it easy for a while. This year end marriage battle is getting emotionally exhausting even for a straight man.
I really think, for now, you should accept the all but marriage offer. Yeah i said it. Marriage is a word…religious groups want it? Fine let em have it. It does not take away the love for your partner or the life you have together. If they can give this to you with all the benefits of marriage, take it for now. Let people get used to the idea, let them see gays are not freaks or monsters who want to defile an age old institution. More minds will change this way.
People vote against gay marriage because they have a NEGATIVE picture in their mind for the union. Change the picture..change minds
wikipedia:"The repeal of "separate but equal" laws was a key focus of the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 60s. In Brown v. Board of Education, 347 U.S. 483 (1954), attorneys for the NAACP referred to the phrase "equal but separate" used in Plessy v. Ferguson as a custom de jure racial segregation enacted into law. The NAACP, led by the soon-to-be first black Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall, was successful in challenging the constitutional viability of the separate but equal doctrine, and the court voted to overturn sixty years of law that had developed under Plessy. The Supreme Court outlawed segregated public education facilities for blacks and whites at the state level. The companion case of Bolling v. Sharpe, 347 U.S. 497 outlawed such practices at the Federal level in the District of Columbia.
Even though the policy of separate but equal education had been overturned, it would be almost ten more years before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would extinguish the social policy of separate but equal. Additionally, in 1967 under Loving v. Virginia, the United States Supreme Court declared Virginia's anti-miscegenation statute, the "Racial Integrity Act of 1924", unconstitutional, thereby ending all race-based legal restrictions on marriage ("anti-miscegenation laws") in the United States.
The phrase "separate but equal" has been more recently used by supporters of same-sex marriage [4] to argue for full marriage rights for same-sex couples.
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Naghanenu,
Many are fighting to completely eradicate any benefits entirely, even 25 percent is being disputed. Tommy News of New York said it well:
"Civil Marriage is Completely Separate From Religious Marriage! As long as the government codifies and makes laws about Civil Marriage, all Americans must be included in those laws equally regardless of gender. Anything less is discrimination. Civil marriage has nothing whatsoever to do with religion or religious marriage. Civil Wedding ceremonies can be performed by town clerks, mayors, judges, justices, sea captains etc. without any religious involvement whatsoever. After the government issues a Civil Marriage Certificate, churches are then free to bless those unions or not as they so choose. There are plenty of tolerant and Progressive churches that will. "Judge Ye Not, Lest Ye Be Judged"! (Tommy News of N.Y. posted this on August 12…I liked it.)
This is a matter of principle. The Constitution cannot support one set of Americans being entitled to benefits and withhold those same benefits to other Americans, because they are unpopular. It won't fly in a court of law.
Dear Sen. Diane Savino, Thank you for your words and support.
schlukitz: sorry I don't converse in Tagalog
Others: Stop thinking equality has anything to do with "sexual preference" if "sexual preference" was a right then we'd have to allow for the marriage of all other sexual deviance. This will not happen in this country. People who think of gay marriage realize that it is but the next step into allowing the freedom of any sexual devient group to demand their own rights.
Michael Letterman: Sorry, I don't converse in Trollish. ;-P
Copy no. 171 – 1EqualitUSA
No. 172 · Michael Letterman: TO ALL PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS ASSHAT. HE HAS SUDDENLY APPEARED IN THESE THREADS LIKE SOME ANNOYING 3 YEAR OLD WHO CRAVES ATTENTION. IGNORE HIM AND HE WILL GO AWAY….
MICHAEL HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I TOLD YOU???? ITS TIME TO DRAG YOUR 350lb. FILTHY ASS FROM THE BASEMENT APARTMENT IN YOUR MOTHERS HOUSE. WE ALL KNOW YOU HAVE MOMMY ISSUES FROM ALL THE TIMES YOU AND MOMMY HAVE BEEN "VERY CLOSE" (or is it Daddy in your case???)……..ONCE YOU AND MOMMY ARE DONE TODAY GET INTO YOUR '83 TARUS AND DRIVE TO THE LOCAL CRUISE AREA WHERE YOU WILL AGAIN GET BAREBACKED LIKE ALL SELF HATING FAGS DO……..ISN'T IT AMAZING I KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT YOU WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING YOU??
In 1987, homosexuality was removed from the DSM as a mental disorder. Ergo, since no illness or mental disorder exists, referring to it as a sexual deviancy is unfounded and a disingenuous lie.
Unfortunately, since evolution, the laws of physics and cold, hard, scientific facts like geological artifacts, radio-carbon dating and similar empirical evidence of homosexual behavior in other classifications of the animal kingdom, is, more often than not, dismissed by the flat-earth folks as "junk science" or "hog-wash".
Such people cannot and will not be "confused" with the facts.
They're already made up their mind.
Terrwill: ROFLMAO still think I'm the one with issues? I'm as happy as can be NY voted with me.
You seem so fixated on my parents and myself ignoring completely the validity of my argument. This speaks reams about your lack of conviction. As far as you are concerned your childish taunt amounts to a soapbox oration while I look at it as what it is the rants of a verbally challenged lunatic.
There are as many scientists who think homosexuality is genetically based as those that think it is a "defect" or error in the psyche. No matter what the root cause is, one thing it is not is the "norm". Either belief in creationism or evolution would suggest that homosexuality was not the intended end result. Without the (I believe you call them "breeders") the species would disappear. Therefore homosexuality has to be a deviation from the "norm" and as such a perversion of what is normal and accepted.
No where else is this more evident then in some of what is posted at this website. Both in content and comment I've found all that one would need to prove the deviancy which homosexuality finds titillating.
@michael lettermen,
wrong, sexuality is not just for reproduction. It is a bonding element used between the genders to express connection. it isn't that clinical mother theresa. fuck, just die off already.
· Schlukitz: Remember our agreement on not "feeding the animals"? ;)
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT ENGAGE MICHAEL LETTERMAN. Like a 3 year old if he doesn't get attention he will give up and slither away to another site……………..
terrwill he's just like you , incorrigible :p
And you are not feeding the animals, Terrwill?
MICHAEL HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I TOLD YOU????,/i> from your post no. 175. ;P
Schultzy: I generally will only put one post per thread advising not to respond to asshats post, then I like to dig into her with a comment about trips to the cruise areas and or mommy/daddy issues. Unfortunately he tends to pop up on lots of threads……hence the "how many times have I told you"
mard: I completely agree with you, that is what sexuality is. But while I care not a whit what you do in the privacy of your home I shall fight to keep you from any special rights or privileges due to your choice in sexual partners.
Homosexuality is no different from any other sexual perversity be it underage partners or inanimate objects or even animals. Deviation is just that something other than what is considered normal for a society.
So while I agree you should be allowed to have any consensual partner you want in the privacy of your home when it comes to marriage it will forever be the dominion of male/female relationships.
The State of New York has spoken and it agrees with me. Other states that have taken up the issue will soon all agree. The battle may be far from over and the war yet begun but this particualr issue will end as it has in NY, where ever it may be fought.
1EqualityUSA, you had inquired of me yesterday if there were any rallies, protests, etc. in New York City as a result of the disappointing news from Albany.
I watched the 11 pm news on CBS and there was a blurb that lasted less than a minute. Very scant coverage for an event that should have been quite news-worthy to many news Yorkers, gay and straight alike.
Nor, was there anything about the rally that took place in Union Square last night or the luminaries that were there and spoke to the crowd. I had to go to Towelroad to learn of it.
Why wasn't a word about this on Queerty today, wonder?
http://www.towleroad.com/
Schlukitz, Union Square in San Francisco? I don't watch T.V. except for Antiques Roadshow and Criminal Minds when I happen to catch it. I don't know why it got so little press here on this site. The money generated here is based on the highest amounts of hits, so maybe fanning flames with Cardinals, Mormons, and Lambert, generate more hits than rallies. #184 Saan siya galing?
No. It was in Union Square in New York City. I am not a big TV watcher either. Much to passive for my tastes. I prefer the interaction of being on the Net.
#184 Hindi ko alam
@ NO. 145 – schlukitz ,
Actually, I was referring to GOP Elephants in Iowa. They migrate every so many years for the Straw Polls. Great hunting! Very tasty with a sprig of corruption and a dash of graft.
Mmmmmm…finger licking good!
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(above) In response to "schlukitz" regarding@ no. 125 – Rainfish's comment:
Keep your peepers on Iowa. You know, "where the corn grows as high as an elephant's eye".
Not germane to the topic at hand, I know, but wasn't that line from the Broadway Show Oklahoma?
http://www.scoutsongs.com/lyri…..rning.html
Being the big corn-producing state that Iowa is, however, I see that line relating to it as well. ;)
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Rainfish continues:
Our mailman got hitched in Iowa this past Summer to his longtime companion. It's nice to just be mundane sometimes — even when you know you're "special" (special rights and all that). And we ARE "special", you know. God's chosen people, in fact — She told me so.
Personally, I think it is a perversion of our Constitutional Republic that any oppressed minority is even subjected to the humiliation of having to petition for their equal rights.
New York is a sad example of what happens when so-called "inalienable" rights are put up like a popularity contest.
Whether it be through political parties or via public referendum.
Is this the United States of America or "American Idol"? Has anybody noticed how our human rights have degenerated into some kind of mob-driven version of a game show. You get audience approval, and if you're popular enough, you get your Civil Rights. Yaaaa!!!
That sucks!
Future generations will look back on this travesty of justice with shame.
How sad…how very sad indeed.
Terrwill, Letterman is proof that DEVOLUTION exists.
If marriage is about procreation…..then lets enjoin John Marcotte who wants a ban on divorce in California and add a ban on straight breeders who don't want to breed or who can't from marrying.
To digress, some good news. Hiram Monserrate may face a year in jail today for slashing his girlfriend. So while Mr. Monserrate is projecting his “moral values” onto the rest of us, it’s worth pointing out that those morals include slashing his girlfriend’s face with a broken beer bottle, which required 20 to 40 stitches to close. That was before he violently dragged her, while she was bleeding, through the lobby of their building to take her to the ER. What a guy. (Did you catch that it’s their building? That is, they live together. UNMARRIED and like most religious cults, christianity, judaism and islam, living "in sin and a threat to straight marriage.
Because he was only found guilty of misdemeanor assault, he was able to keep his senate seat. Because he was able to keep his senate seat, he was able to vote against marriage equality today.
You can call Mr. Monserrate’s district office at (718) 205-3881, and his Albany office at (518) 455-2529. Tell him that your moral values embrace equality and deplore violence, and when it’s re-election time, throw a few dollars toward Jose Peralta. I know I will. Remember, this moron voted against our equality. I hope the court throws the book at him and when he gets to jail, suffers intensely. One down and seven more to go.
Rainfish: Iowa is next there we will fix the mistakes of the legislators via the court system.
Being a deviant does not grant you "rights" and marriage IS NOT an inalienable right it is a privilege one you get allowed when you follow the correct path in life.
Trust me should it ever be put to a referendum (and this is why the legislators will never let that happen) the public will overwhelmingly vote against gay marriage.
It is time to face the fact that your sexual choice does not also provide for special rights and privileges. Yeah you're special, pathetic too.
The future will look at New York's decision as just one of many that protected marriage from being destroyed by a deviant faction.
Terrwill, Letterman is probably a self-loathing jew because he's supposedly married to an equally devolved papist gentile (read unclean). Notice how this fucktard turd comes out of his cave when its a gay issue. This subhuman has a lot of sexual issues going on undoubtedly. Its unnatural and abnormal for a so called "straight" to troll gay blogsites. Again, devolution kicking in, mostly indigenous to straights.
Oh my Terrwill, now he's saying that being gay is about sexual deviance.
Hmmm…..rape, incest (committed by imaginary straight Adam & Eve and their progeny to have populated the planet), pimping, prostitution (overwhelmingly straight by nature), sex trafficking (overwhelmingly straight), adultery (overwhelmingly straight), unwed mothers having sex outside of marriage…Maggie Gallagher a classic example of straight deviance…..funny how nobody has seen her husband in public); straight sodomy (deviant oral sex condemned in the book of fables, the bible, but practiced by probably the majority of breeders in or outside of marriage), masturbation (condemned in the old testament, but a vast majority of straights practice it, married or single). Oh I could go on and on……. . Letterman I suppose never jacked off or didn't have sex before marriage? What a fucking idiot.
No. 189 · Robert, NYC: Remember back in HS the asshats with the biggest mouths calling everyone "fag" and "queer"??? Those are the ones you run into now who are disgustingly overweight, bald, dead end jobs, and frequent the cruise areas where getting barebacked is their dish of choice. I think that correctly describes our "friend"……………
Terrwill, #193. Quite! I remember 20 years ago, I was walking along West Street in Greenwich Village with a coule of friends in the early hours after a night out and noticed several middle-aged hassidic jews outside of a van, one was in the driver's seat cruising for guys. After scoring, I suppose they ran home to their equally ugly wives. Another hit against the sanctity of straight marriage and probably vote against equality.
I just heard a rabbi in NJ is screaming that when the state votes on marriage equality next week, it will be a threat to religious freedom. Another devolved brain emerging. I'd like to know how a civil marriage between a same sex couple affects his right to practice his cultist belief system. Nobody is calling for the ban on his right to believe or forcing his cult to recognize let alone perform a same-sex marriage. This is of course about hate, the very antithesis of what they're supposed to believe and practice. Hypocrisy and bigotry once again rearing its devolved ugly head. If he had to have chosen between the gas ovens in Auschwitz and same-sex marriage, he would obvously have to have chosen the former to be true to his beliefs that same-sex marriage is wrong,including Letterman.
No. 194 · Robert, NYC: Don't get me started with the orthodox Jews! They are one of historys most persecuted groups and they have the gall to look to deny and cast hate towards any other group??? I read about the NYC Gay rights legislation where they were one of the most vocal groups spewing their vile hatred towards the Gays. When people would mention those suffering from AIDS they would cheer yell out how the Gays "deserve to die". How many of their direct relatives died at the hands of the nazis? The behaviour of these Jews is absolutly no different than those nazis who herded their relatives into the gas chambers…………….
Terrwill@195, couldn't agree more. A lot of the right wing so called "christian" wackos spew the same garbage as does the other filthy abrahamic cult islam. In the case of the hassidim and orthodox jews, all I can say is, its a pity some of their families escaped the ovens. I'd gladly have booted them in without any hesitation knowing what I now know about them. They say the same about us including all the other religious sickos out there. They always play the victim when we go after them and other mentally retarded religious cultists who occasionally come in here, but when it comes to us, they villify us with impunity. I have no sympathy for any of them, they deserve everything they get back from us and others who despise them.
Robert: get the cum out of your eyes, I never said marriage is about procreation, that is but one of the many things marriage is about. Not ever marriage is perfect nor does every marriage provide children. But marriage is the dominion of the male/female joining and we will never allow you to dilute it.
One thing (among many) you will never be is equal. You are a either a cosmic joke or an evolutionary mistake.
You want to call me an idiot OK I'll call you a queer. I still win.
Terrwill: Your mistaking "group" for "religion" queer isn't a religion it's a perversion of the norm.
Letterman, the fact of the matter is, we gay New Yorkers can get married, just not in our own state right now. We'll gladly pour millions into Connecticut's state coffers, deservedly so, while our state suffers cuts especially local businesses who need to survive the most. Long may that continue.
I'll gladly accept you calling me a queer as long as I can call you a "kike" of the worst kind> Fuck you, fuck your cult and fuck your ugly smelly slag of a wife.
Robert: You prove your lowness in your comments regarding the Holocaust, while I do not advocate violence due to your sexual preference I would glady meet you in person to teach you respect it is a lesson you sorely require.
As we have done in NY we will do across the country and soon there will be no state that will allow the perversion of marriage to continue. NY was but one of many projects we are working on and we are heartened by the results we will, as we have in NY, be victorious in the few states that now require it.
You can call me, my wife and the rest of my family whatever slur you want, we all know the scum that you are and represent and why would we get upset that such scum is calling us names?
I can only say that I will pray for you and hope that somehow you see the error of your ways.
Kike Letterman, your orthodox/hassidim cult members have advocated for our death not just here but in Israel too. I don't regret or retract one word about the holocaust in the context in which I had written, namely the two jewish sects referenced previously, not progressive jews of which you are not one. I do deplore and condemn the holocaust but not for people like those mentioned or any of other religous cults who think the same way. Fuck your stupid prayers, a total waste of time from filth like you. Your not even fit to be shit on the bottom of my shoe.
Robert: ROFLMAO you think I'm Orthodox???????? I am but a simple Reform Jew and I do not speak on behalf of my religion but on behalf of those who believe as I do that what you are is an abomination to all that is right. What you regret and retract will change over time but for now you prove what a worthless piece of excrement you really are.
You are a sick and twisted person in need of serious help. While I will not wish HIV/Aids upon you or advocate violence to you, all I can offer is prayer and hopes that one day you will change and become something worthy of joining society.
You do not speak for all homosexuals but you remind me of what I most detest about some, you will sink to the lowest depths to make a point which negates any dialogue. It is the last gasp of someone who does not have the skills or vocabulary to make a educated argument. You sir are scum and worse then that you are stupid scum.
I, for now, will consider you beneath contempt, worthy of nothing. You can continue to live your pathetic, sad, lonely existence. You can watch as conventional society rejects you as it has in NY so shall it pass in every state in this fine union.
Hey Kike Letterman, fuck you again! FYI you can't even read English. Show me where I sad you were an orthodox or hassidic kike? I used those as examples of your fucked up cult and belief system.
I've been in a thriving monogomous 16 year relationsip, so I'm far from lonely, fucktard. Drop dead, you filthy piece of human detritus.
Robert: What you are is an embarrassment to your parents. Or were you raised with such a disgusting mouth? I suppose you'd have to be pretty much a disappointment to anyone who might converse with you.
A thriving monogamous 16 year relationship. LOL unlikely, unless you have some poor slob tied to your bed and forced to deal with such a worthless scum-bucket like yourself.
In fact you might be in a relationship but monogamous is something I don't even think you come close to. No one who comes off as such a lowlife as you could manage to keep a relationship going for 16 days no less years.
What you have is a sex partner one is is low enough to submit to being with a deviant such as yourself.
Let me know when your pills kick in and your delusion fades away.
Kike, drop dead! If you and your ugly fucking wife were on fire, I wouldn't piss on you but add fuel. Again, drop dead!
Robert: LOL don't you get it? If my beautiful and wonderful wife and I were on fire and for any strange reason you were near us, we would rather burn then have you do anything for us.
I find it amazingly amusing that the first thing you think of when it comes to putting out a fire is pissing on someone. Is that a gay thing? or are you a special pervert?
Frankly you should stop peeing on people altogether it is yet one more thing society frowns on.
You are such a tiny twerp with the vocabulary skills of a pissed off six year old. I've heard some scientists say that homosexuality in men is likened to arrested development thank you for verifying that.
Actually dumbass kike, the pissing reference came from straight Irish friend of mine, you fucking moron. Yeah, you'd rather burn than be pissed on? You fucking psycho talking liar. Anyone in their right mind would choose life over death. Its you who is irrational now, you fucking idiot.
Robert: The pissing reference came from the same place everything you say comes from, the little peanut you call a brain.
I didn't say I would rather die then be pissed on I said I'd rather die than be pissed on by you. Lord knows how many diseases are running through your pathetic fagboy body.
From the deepest desires often come the deadliest hate. ~
Socrates
~ The price of hating other human beings is loving oneself less. ~
Eldridge Cleaver
~ We hate some persons because we do not know them; and will not know them because we hate them. ~
Charles Caleb Colton
~ If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us. ~
Herman Hesse
~ I imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone… they will be forced to deal with pain. ~
James Arthur Baldwin
~ I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate him. ~
Booker T. Washington
Now I lay me down to sleep,
The speaker's dull, the subject's weak;
If he should stop before I wake,
Give me a nudge for goodness sake.
Robert, don't waste your valuable time on that moron. With all of the excrement oozing out of his fetid gap-toothed mouth (via the keyboard), you know he's not kosher. Besides, obviously he's compensating (guilt turns to anger) for jacking off to nude photos of little girls when his sister/wife is at the barber shop getting her back hair trimmed.
"Now, now my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
- Voltaire (1694-1778) on his deathbed in response to a priest asking that he renounce Satan.
Rainfish, you're right. I'm done with that low-life.
@ Adam: I guess you feel pretty stupid with your foolish racist remarks.Thanks to #133 ChitownKev & #124 Sam. You see one black man in the pic and thats the whole black community in your sick distorted ricist mind. That gave you reason enough to express your latent racism. It shows that when you assume, you make an ASS of youself.
schlukulz: Love that twist to an old classic. Will find a way to use it going forward.
Rainfish: I don't know you, but you describe me to a T so you must know me. I'm the one getting off on pics of little girls? Then I would rally against myself since that too would be a perversion of all that is normal. But since it is hardly true, ok admitidly my wife is rather young looking but she'd hardly be called a little girl, you need come up with all new nonsense to spew. BTW Robert doesn't have valuable time, he has kneel time, O time, and lick it off the floor time, that's about it.
Robert: yes, lay your wearied head to rest… don'tcha cry no more.
Your a demented little fool who needs to take better stock of your life. The vitrol (look it up) that spews from you far exceeds anything I've offered. Your patheic and sad patheisad I suppose.
No. 214 • Michael Letterman admitted that he was into kiddy porn.
He confessed: "I don't know you, but you describe me to a T so you must know me. I'm the one getting off on pics of little girls. … ok admittedly my wife is rather young …"
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Well, that says it all.
bunny: Ladies and gentelmen I offer this as an example of the inablity of this homo, queer, fag, whatever the appropriate term is, lack of ability to detect blantant scarcasm. Though the bit about my wife is spot on she's as beautiful today as she was when I met her, thirty years ago.
Michael, People of color would prefer to be called black, not "N***er"
Italians would prefer to be called Italians, not "Wops."
Germans would prefer to be called Germans, not "Krauts."
Chinese people would prefer to be called Chinese, not "chinks".
Spanish people would prefer to be called Spaniards, not "spics".
And Homosexual people would prefer to be called Gay or Lesbian, according to their sex, not homo, queer or fag.
You see, how we address people upon first meeting, can make all the difference in the world as to the welcome or re-buff we receive from them.
Perhaps if you showed a tad more respect to gays and lesbians when you visit our site, you would not be getting all the vitriol that is coming your way?
Your bible says "As ye sow, so shall ye reap."
Wise words to live by, me thinks.
schlukitz: Thank you for that vocab lesson. It brings up the questions…
What do we call pedophiles when we greet them?
What do we call people into bestiality when we greet them?
What do we call people into, well this can go on for quite awhile but I think I made my point. And before anyone goes off half cocked (no pun intended) I'm not equating anything to anything I'm pointing out that people who are involved in all sorts of "groupings" have a preference on how we refer to them.
I knew a group of black kids back in NY that would only allow one to refer to them as Kings but there kingdom was a tenement building in the lower east side and it never really caught on.
@EqualityUSA
Those are GREAT quotes. Well done. Well done!!!
Michael Letterman's STD riddled mother laughed in response to:
No. 216 • Michael Letterman who retardedly bragged: "… the bit about my (his) (child) wife is spot (re: syphilis) on she's as beautiful (repress gag reflex) today as she was when I (he) met (bought) her, thirty years ago (at a horse auction)."
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@ Michael "the troll" Letterwoman,
So…where did you first meet her, in a stable at a horse ranch while feeding her hay? I forgot that part about you being into bestiality too — beside little girls. You must be diddling yourself now as you read this. Have another spoonful, troll. HA! HA!
Poor nag, it must be difficult for her to mate with you. She must have to hop up and down on your fat gut to make it pop out first.
Please don't breed. We don't need any more with your mental diseases polluting the gene pool.
We prefer health (non-mutant), heterosexuals mating pairs to produce our next generation of homosexuals. You don't qualify, MS Letterwoman, to produce any kind of human.
So, next time you're roaming around under that enormous roll of fat of yours looking for your clit-size wiener, could you please do the world a favor and borrow your sister/wife's back-hair tweezers, then use a magnifying mirror to locate and pinch off your pepper-corn sized nads while your down there? One less YOU in the world would not only be good for humankind, but would do wonders to lessen air pollution.
Dear Bunny Snuggles, I worked so damned hard today. We didn't even get lunch. Non-stop, high intensity, pure concentration kind of work where if we take our eye off of the ball for an instant, the house of cards could fall into disaster. Then I come home to read post #220 and got at case of the giggles so horrendously that my eyes watered. I don't condone all of this bad stuff between all of you, but you are extremely creative and entertaining. They should name an exotic plant after you. good night.
Mr. Letterman. Give your beautiful, youngish looking soul mate the best neck massage she's had in weeks and then go clean the kitchen for her without her even having to ask. After you have polished the stove and deep cleaned the refrigerator, make reservations to the best restaurant your city has and tell her you love her dearly with all of your heart. Be thankful that she tolerates the amount of time you devote to this "hobby" of yours and listen for any cues, any signs whatsoever that she would wish that you would cut down on all of this commenting. Enjoy your Sunday and make a promise to yourself that you are going to think only positive, wonderful, edifying thoughts. There is an animal shelter near you that has creatures just waiting for volunteers to come and give them much needed attention. With the time you have, they would appreciate comfort and human kindness, if even for an hour. Love to you all and be nice to each other. I need to crash, so that I can relive tomorrow, what I went through today. Sincerely, 1EqualityUSA
@ No. 221 · 1EqualityUSA,
Shhhhhh…don't tell anybody…but we spoke last week (under my alter ego — the less evil one). You said you liked my book. I applaud your taste.
Well, got to go for now.
[insert unzipping sound here] ok…taking off my Bunny Snuggles outfit, for now, and sitting back down to have some carrot cake.
Dr. Jekyll is calling me home.
C-ya!
PS – By the way, "1EqualityUSA", the "Queer Union" is still a good idea. I'm afraid ol' M.L. would be on the Confederate side though. Oh, well…guess whose side wins.
:)
Dear Bunny Snuggles, This makes post #220 even more special. Go ask Alice when she's 10 feet tall…
Bunny: How pathetic must your life be that you spend so much effort and time fantasising about me and my wife. As for our creating the next generation of homosexuals well, I can assure you none of our children will turn out so, that is a fact.
The fact that you cannot breed is perhaps the only acceptable thing about you. Yes I know science can do amazing things these days but as soon as we finish legislating you out of existence science will not be an issue.
Alas for you, there are many such like-minded as I and all of us vote, or did you not notice that?
Equality: I take excellent care of my wife and will do exactly as you've suggested. I've asked and she agrees someone needs to keep reminding you how sick and pathetic you all are, so for now, I'll continue, until it's time for someone to take my place.
Bunny: ROFLMAO well in that case I know who would win the confederates. Just as in New York so shall be the country. It will take time and energy both of which shall be given in spades.
Bye for now pathetic people. Enjoy yourselves as best you are able knowing that the rest of us are working towards the cure for what you are and will keep you safe, even from yourselves until that cure can be administered.
In the future, the genderless race will still feel heterosexual longings. They will be dealt with appropriately.:
http://video.google.com/videos.....BQQqwQwAA#
Equality: In the future they will look back at the disease that you suffer from and weep. They will build monuments to honor those that freed society from such dark times.
Dear Letterwoman, shouldn't you be busy putting on your flea collar and doing it doggy-style in a dirty alley somewhere with a dead hooker? Where doooo you find the time to write us all at Queerty?
MS Letterwoman wrote so sweetly to Bunny: "How pathetic must your life be that you spend so much effort and time fantasising about me and my wife.
Bunny responses: Yes, honey, I have often "fantasized" about you and your skank when two fingers down my throat wouldn't do it when I needed to hurl after a hard night's out. Thanks!
MS Letterwoman continues: "As for our creating the next generation of homosexuals well, I can assure you none of our children will turn out so, that is a fact."
Bunny (who would start to believe in God — or even make a pact with Satan — if that were only true) gleefully answers:
Oh, thank you, Michelle! I was soooo worried. Being Gay is difficult enough with people like you in the world, but having Mongoloidism too…that's just too great a burden. I praise you and your sister/wife's decision not to have any gay children (not that it would be genetically possible with your inferior/damaged/incestuous chromosomes anyway), but thanks nevertheless.
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Also….in response to a "monument (Michelle) believes he/she deserves.
@ Ms Michelle Letterwoman (also known by the drag-king stage name as Michael Letterman), Bunny asks:
Haven't they already built a monument for your kind, Letterwoman?
It's called a crapper. Now go "honor" yourself by flushing you and your ilk back into that celestial cesspool which spawned you and your intestinal amoebic kind.
PS – Don't let the toilet lid hit you in the flagella on the way down.
!!! WOOOOOOSHHHHH !!!
(above) In response to tard-boy's (aka Letterman) vomitable declaration: "… In the future they will look back at the disease that you suffer from and weep. They will build monuments to honor those that freed society from such dark times."
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Bunny concludes:
Damn, Letterman…how many times did your mother stab you in the head with a clothes hanger in a failed back-alley abortion? Apparently, she only damaged your brain and didn't harm any vital organs.
…more's the pity, really.
bye now, hon…please don't disappoint…we all expect to see ya back here on this homosexual news-site because your "heterosexual" life must be sooooo damn fulfilling for you.
Uh huh…
~ toodles
http://video.google.com/videos.....1480918451
Dear Bunny Snuggles, You should be paid handsomely for these lines…"how many times did your mother stab you in the head with a clothes hanger in a failed back-alley abortion? Apparently, she only damaged your brain and didn't harm any vital organs." I woke up with hospital-hangover, stiff, headache-y, slightly embittered about understaffing and then I read post #227 and got another case of the giggles. This line was good too, "Haven't they already built a monument for your kind, Letterwoman? It's called a crapper. Now go "honor" yourself by flushing you and your ilk back into that celestial cesspool which spawned you and your intestinal amoebic kind." And also, "PS – Don't let the toilet lid hit you in the flagella on the way down.
!!! WOOOOOOSHHHHH !!!" My partner was doing homework when I read Post #227 aloud. We both had a good laugh. Thanks.
@ 229 – 1EqualityUSA
Beautiful lyrics that unfortunately fall on too many deaf ears. :(
Interesting that the song flopped when it was first recorded in 1967 and had to wait for two more years before it was re-recorded gained any kind of recognition and popularity.
I didn't know that, Schlukitz. Fu-fu-fun fact!
I SAY WE BOYCOTT EVERYTHING! DON'T VOTE, DON'T SHOP. EVERYONE TAKE A DAY OR TWO OFF. WE NEED TO STAND AS ONE IN ORDER FOR US TO BE RECOGNIZE. WE CAN BE PEACEFUL BUT HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS! YES WE PAY TAXES. YES WE LOVE TO SHOP. BUT IF WE DON'T SHOP FOR A WEEK! EVERY GAY PERSON JUST DON'T SPEND ANYMORE IN NYC! WEATHER YOU ARE IN THE CLOSET OR NOT. YOU WILL SEE HOW MUCH THEY REALLY NEED US! I DON'T EVEN SEE THE REASON WHY I VOTE FOR PEOPLE THAT SAY THEY WILL HELP AND SPIT ON US IN THE END. WE REALLY NEED TO STOP LETTING THEM HAVE CONTROL OVER US LIKE WE ARE KIDS THAT DON'T KNOW BETTER.
HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS! THE POCKETS AND VOTES! VOTE CONSERVATIVE CAUSE THE GOP AND DEMS DON'T GIVE A RATS ASS SO GO WITH SOMEONE TO FUCK BOTH PARTIES! I AND MANY OTHERS SHOULD START A BLOG FROM NOW AND GET NUMBERS OF PEOPLE THAT WILL NOT VOTE FOR BOTH PARTIES AND JUST ONE WEEK OF NOT BUYING!
JOIN ME IT'S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN WIN THIS WAR! AS ONE!
Bunny: Nope that is just your overworked imagination salted with your depravity.
Oh and I don't have MS I'm not the diseased one in this back n forth conversation that would be you.
You already dissapointed your mother and father and now you feel the need to strike out at anyone who reminds you what a monstrosity you are. Thats fine my shoulders are wide enough to deal with your vitrol and I will make the time to help you overcome your sickness. I suppose I can expect no better of you then "toliet humor" I imagine that what with the number of forigen objects inserted into you anus over time you must spend near half you day on a toilet. Or are you now wearing diapers?
Yes Virginia I'll be back it is my turn to deal with the likes of you and correct your erroronus statements.
When scientits find the cure
and the end has been assured
When society is finnaly free
and the cure is given thee
When that time does come
and your adgenda is undone
Then the world can cheer
pray that time is near
apologies for any spelling/grammer errors in my last post I hit submit before running the spell checker after writing quite quickly. I will attempt to do better moving forward.
Kindness to animals
Every creature was created by Allah for a purpose. The Prophet always encouraged being kind to animals. Although we should not eat the meat of the pig, it doesn't mean that we should hate pigs. We should show them the same kindness as any other animal, and not abuse or torture them. Pigs score high on tests devised to determine animal intelligence; in other words, they are very smart. It used to be that Europe people believed that pork would taste better if the pigs were kept in a state of filth, but this is not the natural inclination of the pig. When left to their own devices, it is said that pigs do not like to soil their sleeping quarters. As for their tendency to wallow in mud, that is done mainly to keep cool.
Ms Michelle Letterwoman (aka Michael Letterman) lyrically wrote to Bunny: "Thats fine my shoulders are wide enough to deal with your vitrol…"
Bunny responses, sympathetically: So you liked those Joan Crawford shoulder pads I sent to you. Maybe they'll make your shoulders a little closer in width to your linebacker wife's body type.
Letterwoman then continues her PMS rant: "…and I will make the time to help you overcome your sickness."
Bunny is all giggles, and getting a little moist between the legs with anticipation:
Oh, thank you Dr. Killjoy. But the only image you bring to my mind is that of your wife bending over and expelling a high velocity tampon towards your face and putting out one of your eyes — now, THAT brings a smile to my face instantly! …See, feeling better already. Thanks, Doc!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5zFsy9VIdM
No. 234 • Michael Letterman wrote: "apologies for any spelling/grammer errors in my last post I hit submit before running the spell checker after writing quite quickly. I will attempt to do better moving forward."
Bunny helpfully suggests:
If you would have bothered to run the "dumb ass" checker, then we wouldn't have to put up with any of your lame diatribes at all.
…Now, go change your adult diaper (which probably doubles as a bib) before your sister/wife's comes home from working 12th Street to administer your 2am penicillin and peppermint enema.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueUOTImKp0k
http://video.google.com/videos.....amp;view=2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejJmZHRIzhY
http://video.google.com/videos.....7314950640
Bunny: It really wouldn't matter if I was a woman or as I am a man you would still disgust me. I'm glad you look forward to being cured, realizing that your sick is the first step and it appears you've taken it.
Your imagination seems to often run towards me or my family I suppose being such a depraved human you must fixate on something that isn't as monsterous as your lifestyle is. Keep it comming no one here cares and we can always enjoy another of your sick imaginations rambles.
You failed in NY you will soon find that you will fail in all your attempts to pervert this nation. Your sickness will one day be cured but until then we will keep it from spreading.