I have relatives like Dobson. I've tried time and time again to explain the concept and purpose of the seperation of church and state but for some reason they just don't seem to get it. It's always "we're persecuted as chrisians".

Well. Problem is that they see "persecution" as the open portrayal/discussion of any idea other than their own. It's not enough to teach another viewpoint privately to their children. They want their children to see their veiwpoint and none other.

Such an upbringing does not give children choices, and as such, it's not really fitting with the whole concept of "free will". It's like they don't respect their children enough to let them make their own decisions: they have to control them. Fear drives it all.

all the good feelings Nick gave me, Douche Bag Dobson deflated….no pictures of creepy shower-with-your-son Thumpers….ever again, show a Colorado landscape, or HOT skier stripping off his gear, we never have to see the "Maggot on the Mount" again…E_V_E_R!

psy, you are right mate. Over this side of the pond the british humanist society have organised a campaign to have atheist ads put on the sides of london buses – as a reaction against the endless hell and damnation ads from the bloody christians. Inititally this was only expected to raise about £5,500 but it has snowballed amazingly and has raised over £112,000 so far, in just a week!

But the reaction from the sky pixie worshippers has been hysterical, with them bleating that christians are being persecuted, blah blah

They just don't get it. They are like children who have always got their own way and when they don't they scream and shout, stamp their feet, yelling "It's unfair" and threaten to hold their breath until they are thick thick thick all over the carpet !!

Tallskin: "They just don't get it. They are like children who have always got their own way and when they don't they scream and shout, stamp their feet, yelling "It's unfair" and threaten to hold their breath until they are thick thick thick all over the carpet !!"

Absolutely, but it's sort of a natural reaction to losing power. The christian right has been historically used to the world being mostly christian. As folks walk away from religion in general, instead of asking why and focusing on a better sales pitch, they try to forcefully change things back to the way they were (and such efforts are futile and only bring more hostility, resulting in further loss of church membership).

I think we're seeing a tipping point now, where the far right grip on the government isn't what it used to be. A new generation is coming into power, and well… the religious folk will either have to learn to adapt or will find themselves increasingly alone as their membership continues to dwindle. It's almost sad, in a way, to see such terrified people worried that the world is coming to an end, but change is inevitable at this point (I hope).

Once the far right is no longer a large part of the "base" in an election, you'll see their interests ignored (as getting re-elected is the only thing politicians really care about).

Now, "reverend" dobson, sit down and listen closely: You are not entitled to inject your wacky views about how the Earth began, how life appeared, or how homos are evil sick bad people into public schools. You are more than free to wallow in your theological filth in your own (fabulously expensive and nicely-appointed) churches. Just keep out of the schools.

Focus on the Family loves to trash Tim Gill, among others. They lists donors to causes, including fighting Prop 8. His intent is shame, but I think the list is really an honor role; http://citizenlinkelectioncent.....ed-donors/

Without hate what would they have left?

I say let them, as long as they put a huge Focus on the Family seal on it. This is the land of the free and if our books are going to be in the shelves of a public library then theirs should also be allowed. It's not like anyone will take the time to read more of the same bullshit that can be found on your average Bible.

"a rampantly gay America under Barack Obama"

LOL!

Boy Queerty your in for one heck of a rude awakening!

"This is the land of the free and if our books are going to be in the shelves of a public library then theirs should also be allowed"

I'd agree with you, provided it's filed in the right category and not endorsed by the school as speech. Permit all, endorse none.

"a rampantly gay America under Barack Obama"

Some of us would enjoy being rampantly gay under Barack Obama. Lucky Michelle.