PS: I grow tomatoes and basil together _in the same windowbox_! Pray for my lost soul!

Especially not when both are very careful! :)

As an academic(!) I know very well that people once thought that the earth was flat (it isn’t, you know, just in case you are still wondering)!

I am sure people are able to decide for themselves what the truth is. If you think the movie is ‘baloney’, that’s your prerogative!

I believe the Zeitgeist Movie at zeitgeist.com is a real eye opener regarding the truth how the world is being enslaved by a few greedy, heartless psychopaths, who think this planet belongs to them! ‘Up yours!’ I say to them!

Enjoy watching.

Your act as if there might be some validity to anything that she says. She just need to get laid. As do you in likelihood. You just got a good lesson in how these dingbats opperate. look at how much time you wasted in a self hating enterprise.

You can see why some dictators get tired of listening to this Catholic crap trap. They can go on forever saying nothing. Imagine being her husband

Nonsense! I’m glad Zeitgeist got to you, even though you seem to have failed to grasp the whole truth. Or maybe you are an affected party and grasp the truth only too well?

Keep watching. There is MUCH more where that one came from. Enjoy!

BTW: I love brasschecktv.com.

A validly contracted marriage is indissoluble. I would tolerate civil divorce in circumstances where physical safety or mental health required a complete separation from the abusive spouse for the sake of the other spouse and/or any children.

However, Christians in such circumstances would not be free to remarry, in keeping with Christ’s teaching that divorce and remarriage is essentially adultery.

So supporting the ability to get a divorce isn’t a compromise of Christian values, because divorce isn’t a sin, per se, if there is a sufficiently grave reason for the separation. It’s remarriage that creates the adultery, and in in the case of remarriage, that adultery is essentially a lifestyle choice.

I don’t tolerate any laws which violate the moral law and/or create structures of sin within society. I may not be able to change them, but I don’t have to support them and I can vote against them.

The “intolerant of intolerance” thing is an amusing internal contradiction. It speaks volumes about the logic that propels such thoughts and the actions that flow from it. It’s pure, unadulterated hypocrisy, masquerading as enlightened thinking and an example of becoming the very thing you claim to hate. A house divided against itself cannot stand.

Jesus didn’t doubt or deny God’s existence. Jesus is God. As God, He knew all things and couldn’t doubt His own existence or any other truth, because He knew these things with certainty.

As God, Jesus was incapable of sin. So nothing he did was sinful, ever. Any example offered of Jesus “sinning” involves ridiculous, wishful thinking on the part of the one offering the example.

Jesus was quoting one of the Psalms, Psalm 22, one which would have been familiar to the Jews standing around Him on the cross. The Psalm was essentially a prophecy of the crucifixion and basically described the scene being witnessed by those persecuting Christ on the cross. Those who heard Jesus utter the beginning of that Psalm could not have helped noticing the similarities between the Psalm and what they were seeing.

The Psalm isn’t an expression of doubt, denial, or rejection of God. Reading it through to the end shows that. Expressing the appearance or feeling of abandonment by God isn’t a sin anyway. Feelings and perceptions aren’t sins, it’s how we act on them that is or isn’t sinful.

Here it is: http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bi.....salm22.htm

I have to go to work, but may check back tonight.

I think you might have things ‘arse about face’ re Zeitgeist! Probably on purpose?! The film is BRILLIANT and an eye opener to many.

See, now there are three mentions of Zeitgeist…

You could also go to http://www.brasschecktv.com/ if you want to know more truths…

Just go to zeitgeistmovie.com and you can watch or download it for free! It’s BRILLIANT!

Just because I tell you that I wish you dead in a soft and soothing voice does not negate that fact that I still want you dead.

I am sorry, I went off half-cocked (blush). The zeitgeistmovie.com is still great though.

Have a nice day! x

I agree with you 100%. I am very anti-religion myself, but this was not the point I was making in my post.

all religions are man-made and have the aim to enslave the sheeple so that they will willingly work for the creator of the created religion. All organized religion is evil as it enslaves human beings, makes them less so that a few sick creatures can be more!

Religion, the money-lending business, the industrial-military-pharmaceutical complex etc., are all branches of the same company owned by people of a certain ethnicity.

The bible (a collection of writings by man), by the way, has been translated 5432 time at least.

If you are not afraid of the TRUTH please watch this:

zeitgeistmovie.com

A real eye opener.

So we are not gay because we have a straight brain!

We are actually a unique sex! Cool!

“At the 1985 Conservative Political Action Conference, Cameron announced to the attendees, ‘Unless we get medically lucky, in three or four years, one of the options discussed will be the extermination of homosexuals.’ According to an interview with former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop, Cameron was recommending the extermination option as early as 1983.” – Mark E. Pietrzyk, News-Telegraph, March 10, 1995.

To support her arguments, Marilyn is quoting a man who if he had his way, would happily have had our government kill more people than even Hitler ever dreamed of! If America has 300,000,000 people, and only 2% are GLBT, that’s SIX MILLION murders! A crime equal to Hitlers! THIRTY MILLION if the US GLBT population is 10%! And worldwide, if the GLBT population is 10%, we’re talking about a man who advocated the MURDER of ONE HUNDRED TWENTY MILLION PEOPLE! More than 1/3 the entire population of the United States!

I find it very difficult to think of someone who tries to spread the views of Paul Cameron to be human, much less a Christian. Really, Marilyn, if you want to make the world a better place, I suggest you give serious thought to jumping off a high cliff.

She’s so brave … and so anonymous. Why not post a link, lady? I do. Anyone wants to know who I am, friend or foe, they can find out.

What are you afraid of? A bunch of angry fags? God loves you (heh). He’ll protect you. You’re only doing his work.

Or do you have doubts that what you’re doing is the right thing. Is that the reason you hide your identity?

Show your face.

Or fuck off.

(Matthew 27:46) And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

If Jesus was incapable of keeping his faith at all times, why should mankind be expected to have a more perfect faith than Jesus?

Marilyn wrote: I also believe that all sexual activity within marriage between one man and one woman must be open to the possibility of life and that any deliberate sexual activity which is incapable of producing life by nature (not by accident of nature, like infertility, but by deliberate choice whether by artificial contraception or by the performance of unnatural acts like oral or anal sex). Actions to the contrary are against God’s plan for human sexuality.

Don’t know what Marilyn is doing here, but it sure makes for a good read. Especially when I realize that every sexual act I’ve engaged in since adolescence was in staunch resistance of procreation.

I know this is only going to fuel the fire, but masturbation, oral sex, anal sex… It feels GOOD! God, I love my body. And I love other people’s bodies. And I love sharing that intimacy and connection and hot, sweaty action with someone else, or just myself! Whatever. I thank God every day to be alive, to be able to breath and laugh and love.

All my sexual acts… no procreation. And yet, while I don’t have any kids, I feel like I’ve created plenty and continue to create. Every orgasm is a little, “Thanks God for this body, this life, this opportunity to explore my humanity.” Seriously.

Marilyn, keep it coming. This perspective is just what I need for the drag show I’m creating about the life of a 16 year old Catholic schoolgirl from Pennsylvania. And please don’t feel attacked by this, but your husband must be a saint ’cause you sound like a total bore in the sack! (And I have to wonder if you’re going to print this entire thread out and post it in your church bulletin.)

Gents, I apologize if I’ve just continued the stereotype and given substance to the insubstantial…

But for God’s sake, Life ain’t pain… it’s pleasure. Spread some love.

1 Timothy 2:12
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.

She insists we follow her Bible, but refuses to follow it herself.

“Don’t you see you are advocating treating Christians as vile for disagreeing with you?”

Not Christians but fundamentalist religionists who masquerade as what they claim to aspire to. I have many Christian friends and acquaintances whom individuals such as yourself routinely refer to as “pseudo-Christians,” i.e., liberal Protestants like members of the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) and the United Church of Christ. I do not advocate treating Christians as vile. I advocate treating the beliefs and opinions of fundamentalist religionists as vile.

“Don’t you see that comparing Christians with the most loathsome elements in society is a step towards demonizing and marginalizing them which cannot but eventually lead to their oppression and persecution?”

I see that comparing fundamentalist religionists with the most loathsome elements in society is a (belated) step towards demonizing and marginalizing them which will, hopefully, lead to the minimization of their opinions and their marginalization of their influence.

“How is that not hypocritical?”

It’s not hypocritical because liberal interventionists like myself are intolerant of intolerance. We don’t wish to dialogue with our opponents, we wish to marginalize them into utter irrelevance through legal action, political activism, liberal education policies and secular humanist rationalism. We wish to utterly obliterate their influence in modern society. Not unlike what they wish for us. Yes, it’s a crusade and yes, we’re winning. Slowly (incredibly slowly in some places), but surely.

“How is that not being the very thing you claim to hate?”

Oh, I don’t know. Maybe it isn’t, but I don’t particularly care. I do care that gay men and lesbians be free to marry the partner of their choice, just as straight men and women are. You aren’t. I guess that’s the difference.

Anyway, that’s all I have to say, Marilyn. Good night and good luck.

Chat again tomorrow, eh?

Don’t you see that comparing Christians with the most loathsome elements in society is a step towards demonizing and marginalizing them which cannot but eventually lead to their oppression and persecution?

How is that not hypocritical?

How is that not being the very thing you claim to hate?

“However, I still do not condone a complete rejection of these people.”

It is not the people but their positions we must reject. Clearly and unambiguously, without hesitation or apology.

“Reason being, when the day comes that we secure those rights, the better we have communicated and established ourselves as more than heathen hordes leering over their delicious, delicious heterosexual children, the less backlash and the greater peace there will be overalls.”

We will always be regarded as heathen hordes (if not worse) by those who are inclined to so regard us. Peace will come (as it continues to come here in Canada) with the acceptance (either tacit or total) of same-sex relationships as a distinctive part of the social fabric.

“As tempting as it is to bulldoze them with the same disregard as we have been shown, it is dangerous, because that animosity and momentum will carry on even after the walls have toppled, and it will only create further tension and strife down the road, I fear.”

Religious fundamentalists will be with us always; their animosity will never wane, which is why their influence must be undermined and their opinions marginalized. A policy of appeasement will never work, because they will always seek to insinuate their agenda into public policy.

I condone a complete rejection of the influence of these groups and individuals in the same way as I condone a complete rejection of the Ku Klux Klan and Adolf Hitler. There is no fundamental difference. There is no merit whatsoever in even attempting to dialogue with these people; that is the last thing they are interested in, whatever protests to the contrary they might make. People who are *absolutely* and *unequivocally* committed to the position that same-sex marriage ought not be permitted *under any circumstances whatsoever* are, in my opinion, nothing less than demagogues whose methodology is similar to that of the KKK and other hate groups. They will lie, lie, and lie over and over again (always with a smile on their faces, like the representatives of the Family Research Council) in order to further their agenda. Their intentions are purely evil, inspired by the desire to wield absolute theocratic power. If they had the opportunity to exercise such power, they wouldn’t hesitate.

Do not handle or approach poisonous snakes or other venomous reptiles unless you are prepared to be bitten.