It’s getting hot in California!
The activists with No on 8 – the group fighting Proposition 8, a ballot initiative aimed at overturning this year’s gay marriage win – have called out their lawyers to take on this inflammatory commercial put out by the Yes on 8 side, also known as homophobic bigots looking to eliminate Americans’ rights.
The commercial in question – which features a professor from Pepperdine University – claims gay marriage in California will let loose a flood of “gay agenda” education. Because, you know, letting a little gay boy know he’s okay would be an act of vicious sin. Countering the lies and incendiary activist, the No on 8 lawyers are calling on networks to put moratorium on the advert.
No on 8 campaign manager Steve Smith remarked:
Their ads are full of lies and this memo makes that clear. There is nothing in Prop 8 about teaching children in our schools, nothing that would affect religion or religious institutions in any way, and Pepperdine University has made it clear they aren’t involved in the Yes Campaign in any way.
Lots of campaigns stretch the truth, but these ads go way beyond that. The Yes on 8 Campaign ads are false and misleading and are meant to scare the public. These ads go way beyond what we’ve ever seen in past campaigns. They must come off the air.
Agreed.
Here’s a copy of the letter sent to California’s media.
How about we take this to the next level?
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The Real John
This representative from Pepperdine University purports to advocate for the civil rights of special needs children too.
How can he justify his anti-gay bigotry to those special needs kids? Some of those special needs kids undoubtedly have gay parents. What does he say to them?
Also, the Dean of the Pepperdine Law School is the sanctimonious gasbag Kenneth Star, the guy who wasted tens of millions trying to get Clinton impeached.
akaison
Is there a law in Ca that prevents lying in political ads?
A brother and a sister
I do hope Prop 8 is defeated, because then I will finally be able to legally marry my sister–I’ve been attracted to her for years, but until recently society has been too closed minded to accept us and our love for each other. It’s great society is finally becoming more accepting of people like my sister and me. It’s too bad that some narrowminded people would still consider marrying my sister a bit strange–really, isn’t that between her and me? I do hope that relationships like mine are also given their fair time in the curriculum at school, along with gay and straight marriage. I’m tired of people telling me that my love is not real. So just remember, a vote against Prop 8 is a vote for me and my sister, and we do appreciate it! By the way, once we are married, does anyone have any advice on us adopting? Is it just the same for us as for a gay couple?(We don’t really want to have our own children, for obvious reasons.)
no 4
Sibling Lover…I recommend buying the lastest Season of NipTuck on BluRay (so worth it, so crisp). They addressed that issue there when the Michael Jackson looking guy banged his HOT mountain sister and loved it. Answers are provided and there is nothing wrong with a retarded child. It worked for me when I rented the Different Strokes DVD and learned that blacks and whites can live together and still manage to raise a kid that would end up as a professional security guard.
As for the new ad…saw it and still think that the NO side of this Prop is not doing enough or hitting hard enough to put up a fight against the YOU BETCHA’s.
The NO side is trying to appeal to the compassion and actual reasoning side of people. The YES side is hitting the fear factor: kids. The winner so far is obvious. The lies won’t matter. The questions aren’t asked and the answers are skewed. Twenty Four days and counting.
michael
The thing about no. 3 is that this is probably the truth for him. Highly right wing- Christian fundamentalist are ripe with sexual abuse and incest. He is only using something he probably really does dream about to make a point. People only hate in others what they hate in themselves. They point their fingers at gay people calling them perverted because it diverts their own attention away from themselves and their deep seated shame. I have dealt professionally as a therapist with these types of people for decades. While I have compassion for them, because most have grown up in rigid, black and white thinking homes where religion was used to control every aspect of their thinking.
More often than not, someone in the family, usually the father, was acting out their repressed desires upon other family members. This is why character types like number 3 can easily think up such deviant scenarios because their minds are usually attracted to such things. My education and experience tells me that No. 3 is actually a dangerous person who is always seeking
a group to hate, because otherwise he is only left with himself.
This is why you have so many clergymen abusing children, politicians being caught in the most tawdry of circumstances that spend the majority of their time legislating morality. No. 3
get some help, before what is within you comes out sides ways and brings harm to someone and destroys your life. As they say in Alcoholics Anonymous, when you point one finger at another, you are pointing 2 fingers back at yourself.
bob
I would like to take this opportunity to take this time to share a few thoughts on PROP 8. First I truly believe marriage is a bond between a man and a woman. Life intended a male and female to be attracted to each other to reproduce so they would have children and populate the planet (this would be the meaning of a family). In a time where sexual perversion is flexible and more accepted, we have come to crossroads. If homosexuality is one’s choice no one can stop people from practicing. It is unfortunate that homosexuality is being forced down our throats from media to public displays of affection. If a person has the right to be gay I should have the right to shield myself and children from it. Although one person believes it is right another believes its wrong how do we decide what is wrong and what is right? Through compromise. If you want to live and love a same sex individual fine, but the compromise is you shouldn’t have the right to the definition of marriage which through history states: A BOND BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN. Now the day two people of the same sex can procreate without the help of science then you can say that they have a bond to a family thus be wedded. It is unfortunate that wealthy celebrities and politicians who can buy what they want can buy their ways to take away from heterosexuals what we hold sacred. Just because gay people say they are in love that they have the right to get married well lets see lets let brothers and sisters that say they love each other and want to marry each other get married too…. hey want to get married to your aunt or uncle hey go for it, lets not put limits to marriage its just a piece of paper right. Well I don’t think so where do we draw the line what if a 16 year old wanted to marry a 60 year old what if they said they are in love should they get married? We must take a stand and that stand starts with a yes vote on prop 8 before we open the gates to more immoral scrutiny against the all American family.
tommy
Who are these people and why are they on this site? Is the yes on 8 quacks sending in house wives to write their hate on here? Hate is hate,,, Married couples get divorced over 50% of the time,,,and they are worried about gay’s …they should worry about their homes and leave ours to us. Go home and stop sticking your nose in my life. I will not allow you to make me a second class citizen!
Wayne
When is there going to be some outrage at Obama and his “Faith Tours” headed up by anti-gay marriage, pro Prop 8 bigots? Obama wants our vote, and yet he can’t even spare 10 seconds to do a video soundbite that simply says “Vote No on Prop 8” or to speak out against his own supporters who want to deny our equality? And the so called Gay Press is afraid to even call Obama out on it. Pathetic.
Mark
It took me a very long time to understand the bizarre nature of fundie Christians, but this issue ties it all together.
I think they’re the product of abuse. I really do. The poster (#3) who made a ‘joke’ about wanting to marry his sister probably DOES want to have sex with her. I wouldn’t be surprised if that poster was diddled by a relative – a good Christian relative – at a very early age. Now that poster’s antenna is permanently bent toward incest or polygamy or inter-species sex.
But, of course, that has nothing at all to do with gay marriage. Yet, they can’t see that. They have no idea because they’re too busy having bizarre fantasies.
Yep, I really believe that Christians – the ardent ones who want to cram it down my throat – were abused beyond recognition at some point. It always results in the same type of behaviors: love of guns, love of authority no matter how abusive, skewed social thinking, lack of empathy. There’s a real pattern there.
And it shows up really bigtime in the McCain campaign supporters.
tallskin
BOB, you are an ignorant and foolish sky pixie worshipper, who knows fuck all about the history of marriage.
Take out your Moron’s Guide to the history of marriage and do some basic research.
Up until the late middle ages heterosexual marriage, for example, was only carried outside of the church, because the act of sex, full stop, between a man and a woman, was considered necessary but filthy, by your sky pixie religion.
And Bob, why on earth do you think we would be interested remotely in your uninteresting opinions about anything?
CHURCHILL-Y
You’re right on the money Wayne.
Here’s an excerpt from the Advocate:
“Obama to Launch Faith Tour That Includes Supporter of Prop. 8
Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign is reportedly launching a “Faith, Family, and Values Tour” next week that will include Catholic legal scholar Douglas Kmiec as one of the campaign’s surrogates. Kmiec wrote an op-ed for the San Francisco Chronicle this summer in which he urged support for passing California’s marriage ban, Proposition 8.
By Kerry Eleveld
An Advocate.com exclusive posted September 20, 2008
The Christian Broadcasting Network is reporting that the Obama campaign next week will kick off “Barack Obama: Faith, Family, and Values Tour,†designed to woo the votes of left-leaning Catholics, progressive Evangelicals, and some conservative mainline Protestants. If LGBT people find the tour eerily reminiscent of the South Carolina gospel tour the campaign arranged last year with antigay “ex-gay” gospel singer Donnie McClurkin, their instincts may not be far off.
CBN names Catholic legal scholar Douglas Kmiec as one of the religious surrogates who will hit the road stumping for Obama. Kmiec wrote a June 13 op-ed for the San Francisco Chronicle supporting California’s Proposition 8, the ballot measure to ban same-sex marriage, titled “On Same-Sex Marriage: Should California Amend Its Constitution? Say ‘No’ to the Brave New World.” Kmiec’s first two sentences in the piece read, “The California ballot initiative intended to set aside the state supreme court’s judicial invention of same-sex marriage deserves public support. Maybe it is enough to say, as many do in conversation, that it merely re-secures a millennia of tradition and common sense.”
In the op-ed, Kmiec says the state supreme court ignored the separation of church and state in its ruling and argues that allowing gay marriage serves to separate the institution of marriage from procreation.
He concludes his op-ed: “When carefully assessed, the acquisition of unnatural reproductive means often advances the interests of the very affluent through a libertarian exercise that would threaten all hope of democratic equality. In a depopulating world, the claim that there is a universal right to marry regardless of gender becomes a frightening ally of a claimed universal right to access to genetically engineered children. People should reject this claim by returning traditional marriage to its rightful place.” ”
http://www.queerty.com/prop-8-backers-claim-black-barack-helps-their-cause-20081006/
And what has Barack response been so far, silence at best, while the DNC has contributed no money to counter attack the anti-Gay bigots ads and efforts. Not that any Gay person with half a brain expected anything from a DNC headed by the likes of Leah Daughtry and Donna Brazile. He’s not yet in the White House and already he’s harming our fight and progress while remaining apathetic about it.
What would his response be like if he ever gets in the White House…………………Hmm, one doesn’t need much imagination, one only needs to look at how he has handle our issues, his homophobe buddies and his responses to them so far.
Alan down in Florida
Personally I thought the ad was pretty weak and hardly “incendiary”.
Looking at it backwards, if the Proposition is defeated )as I certainly hope it will as well as the one on our ballot here in Florida) then the fundies will have to try to change the legislation about teaching marriage in schools which will just threaten traditional marriage even more than a couple thousand of us queers getting hitched.
mama
sigh
how the fuck did BOB end up here?
Must have it on google alert
lame
my question is, where do the polls show this Prop? Will it pass?
Is it tight?
Adam
This commercial is pathetic. It is quite possible the little girl will grow up to be a lesbian. Instead of giving that girl positive reinforcement at an early age that it is OK to be gay, the mother instead instills shame and fear in her child. What a bitch.
Phoenix (who is voting for Kang, not Kodos)
Um, Adam @ #14,
that little girl is a child actress. She will grow up to be a stripper or porn star if anything. In ten years (or less) she’ll be snorting lines of coke off another hooker’s a$$ and getting drinking R. Kelly’s piss.
Charley
It’s not the truth, but it is working for them. Have you seen our ads with not one gay person it it ? Where is Del Martin and Ellen ? They should be in every pro gay marriage ad. Gosh. My $2500.00 donation didn’t mean much. Vanilla messaging. Pretty lame in comparison to this ad by our detractors which may defeat us . Get LGBT elders on the tube. Their age and commitment rises above “sexual orientation” and screams of family and companionship. Hello………..
Raf
As a biologist, I resent being told that ‘nature intended’ this and that about sex. It reflects a poor understanding of basic evolution and biology in general. It’s often a pathetic attempt to come up with a secular argument when all they have are religious ones.
If you want an evolutionary perspective on how homosexuality could have a significant inherited component, I would point you to the several peer-reviewed papers out there on the subject. Many come up with scenarios where alleles which contribute to homosexuality could persist in a population at low rates. Here are two that I’ve posted before:
PLoS One paper: doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0002282
Nature News & Views: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v445/n7124/full/445158b.html
Jerry Mundis
I’m recently out of the closet.I love this site.
Tim
“Dr.” Laura Shitslinger is another proud alumnus of Pepperdine. Go figure.
Brian Miller
Pepperdine is a joke of a school.
Just get the dean of a real California university, like Stanford, to produce an advertisement stating that the ad is a desperate lie designed to sway the vote. Run it on the air.
retrofit71
the look on the mothers face reminds me of the commercial where the kids says, ‘Look! I taught toby a new trick!’ and the dog is wiping his ass up and down the carpet.
Brian
I am a Pepperdine alumnus. The PR office sent us all a website after the first Yes on 8 ran, saying that it identified Peterson as a Pepperdine professor, but that Pepperdine didn’t endorse his views, didn’t take positions on ballot intitiaves, and had gotten Yes on H8 to remove any reference to Pepperdine.
The second ad came out, and now Pepperdine is saying that Peterson is just exercising “academci freedom” and can say whatever he wants. Pepperdine also is claiming that it can’t stop Yes on H8 from identifing the place Peterson works. I have called bullshit on them and also sent a long e-mail to the school explaining, in a very detailed way, how this ad is full of lies, and is dragging down Pepperdine with it. For example, a state court in CA already ruled that the claim that kids will be required to be taught about gay marriage is “False and misleading.” (They should be taught about gay marriage, of course, but that’s another issue).
I spoke with someone at Pepperdine yesterday and told her they should have a professor appear in a No on H8 ad (they have at least one gay law professor) and should also donate money to no on H8 to make up for the damage Peterson is doing, including to the school’s reputation.
Not holding my breath….
Brian Miller
Remember, Pepperdine is where Clinton cock-sniffer Ken Starr went to go “teach.”
That would seem to be the caliber of most of the professors there these days.
Jaroslaw
This isn’t the first time a powerhouse thinker from Pepperdine University (another faculty member) weighed in on Gay stuff. I think it was on 60 Minutes and of course I can’t remember his name, but I sent an e-mail with no response of course.
Jaroslaw
oops – “powerhouse thinker” was sarcasm of course and I sent a negative email denouncing the right wing position.
I just wanted to say how just wrong it is when these people spout lies and misleading info on TV and then don’t have the balls to respond when someone calls them on their crap.