Unconventional? Only because there have been people fighting to keep gays in an inferior position. And whether you see it as a special right or not (which it isn’t, considering that gays have just as much right to the benefits of marriage as hetero couples do), it doesn’t really matter. Marriage (even among heterosexuals) has evolved over the years + still is evolving.

I keep hearing that a marriage should be kept between a man + a woman. I feel that it should be kept between the two adults who choose to commit to each other + that the rest of the world should concern themselves w/ their own relationships.

Btw, I’m not a hip hop artist, but I do sing.

Something as unconventional as gay marriage IS a special right, Freddy. And, based on my 25+ years in the gay community, I don’t think that the overwhelming majority of gays are mature enough to make solid decisions as to whether to marry. The gay community needs a lot more time before we, as a community, are ripe for such time-tested and ancient “rights” as marriage.

BTW, are you, Fredo777, the budding hip hop star from Detroit who’s all over the internet??

Also, you said that gays are undeserving of special rights. Marriage equality isn’t a special right, but an equal one to every heterosexual citizen. Whether you or I like it, agree with it, or hate it, every human being should be allowed to marry the (consenting, adult) person of their choice in a ceremony that could be secular, quite frankly. Times change, cultures change, + humans are very adaptable creatures.

I’m not going to touch the polygamy or incest issues, b/c (while I don’t really agree with them), it’s none of my damn business. That’s what many of the so-called moralists should consider: if same-sex marriage is wrong, anti-God, anti-Christian, or whatever, it’s still not our place to judge each other for it. If these opponents devoted half the time they spend on ruining our chances at marriage to bettering their own, the world would be much better off.

I don’t need the worthless pity and authoritarian moralizing of some presumptuous, pretentious, pathetic, F5-smashing blog troll.

I have nothing but contempt for you.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to do something constructive: fap to some porn.

Nothing more to see here, folks. Move along.

BTW: Islam permits men to have multiple wives. Apparently god lets them. Incest? Not my problem. But besides, Adam and Eve and their children must have had incest to procreate. But I’m an atheist, and what do I know?

People need to step back and get a little perspective on the situation. ZOMG. A couple of people want to get involved in a “marriage” and live out happy lives, but nope, the whole fucking country chooses to discriminate against individuals based on their desire for dick over vagina (and vice versa). Wow. I’m an evil person because I’m a man who likes dick, and because I’m a man who likes that little (or big) thing called “dick” then I can’t have a relationship with someone with a dick, too. Why? Because (Oh, noes!) the country’s going to blow up!

Well you know what? Fuck you, your ilk, and your narrow minded obsession on the male-female only binary.

/tirade

If someone wants to “gay marry”, then it really isn’t any of the authoritarian moralizers’ business, especially since the argument against it is unsound.

I wonder what aliens would think of this whole “marriage” thing if they were watching us now. :/

Secondly, telling you that I find your “slippery slope” argument to be a load of rubbish isn’t a personal insult, it’s just a statement of fact (the fact being that it is, indeed, my opinion).

Thirdly, you don’t seem to have a valid point for me to respond to with thoughtful replies. “Gays are NOT Weird!” and so forth. I mean, what kind of intelligent debate do you expect after making statements like (paraphrasing): “most gays are weird”.

Finally, as you don’t have a valid point (gays as weird, flaky, etc.) + I have exhibited none of the above in my comments, I don’t see how I could possibly be aiding you in proving it. And, thanks, I shall keep talking.

The argument goes like this: The California constitution never specifically called marriage a protected right because until now there was no need to specify as such. But in the court’s ruling this week the majority included language that says the constitution as a whole protects the right of Californians to marry. This changes everything. It makes it possible now for the court to strike down as unconstitutional any constitutional amendment that would effectively deny the right to marry of a class of Californians.

I do hope we hear more about this as the court’s ruling is studied.

And even with the government, you can be arrested for a wide variety of speech related crimes that are exempted from the First Amendment (because they fall under the rubric of “compelling state interests”).

These include inciting a riot, unlawful aseembly / trespassing on public land, as well as disrupting the proceedings of a court or legislative body.

Active members of the military are subjected to an additional level of scrutiny. They’re not allowed to publically disrespect any high officers of state (President, Vice-President, Speaker of the House, Secretary of Defense, Governors, and so forth).

And, quite frankly, there is no risk of you losing your right to free speech. I’m not representing the government, just an individual who (unapologetically) would rather not hear nonsense like the “slippery slope” argument against gay marriage. Feel “free” to say what you wish, as I’ll feel equally free to tell you I’d rather you put a sock in it. See how that works?

WACKY? Six of them are Republicans, one of whom, the Chief Justice, was appointed by Reagan. The other is a Democrat. They’re not wacky all but they are elitist and lazy. Their system waited decades to decide that we’re people. They’ll wait more decades until it dawns on them that immigrant and imported workers are people too.

LOONEY? Well, maybe. All the Justices are followers of this or that cult and are mainly christianites; mormons, prots, and altar boy rapists. You know the kind I’m talking about; superstitious people capable of believing ten preposterous things before breakfast. People who think the exorcist was a documentary and who are socially retarded until forced to see reason by a mass movement that won’t take no for an answer.

That movement of course is the GLBT struggle and the polls say that most Californians support us and not baboon bigots like you.

Zip it.

I don’t abuse snake oil, or anything for that matter. I am not blindly devoted to the Democratic party (by any stretch of the imagination). And I have no delusions that politics is exactly how it is described in high school.

However, I am confident that McCain represents a less ideal candidate (on the issues, regardless of party) to us than Obama is. Given the fact that it will likely be a choice between McCain and Obama this fall, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to believe that Obama’s influence would be more in line with the beliefs of the progressive community than McCain’s influence. Not to say that Obama is fantastically liberal, or that the Democratic party is even that progressive, but those are the choices we’re working with. It’s that simple and that pragmatic.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that our rights will best be earned by our work and societal progress, not waiting for politicians to get them for us.

“If you hold such repulsive views why are you here?”

“THESE PEOPLE”

physician heal thyself

“Special Rights” implies straight couples don’t, and haven’t had this right since the begining of this nation….BITE ME!

what part of “liberty and justice for ALL” didn’t you get?

what part of “all men are created EQUAL” went over your head?

our government has spoken on this issue.

And, in acting, Congress should uphold the sanctity of male-female marriage with civil unions permissible for gays. The country is not ready for gay marriage, and quite frankly, I don’t think the gay community as a whole is sufficiently mature to treat the privilege responsibly. I can just see all the twinks on meth running to a judge just to get hitched as a joke. Bottom line: The gay community as a whole is flaky, wierd, and undeserving of special rights.

The California same sex marriage decision was decided by a majority ruling of three Republicans and the lone Democrat on the court. Chief Justice George, a Republican, was first appointed to the bench by Ronald Reagan in 1972. The first judicial appointment of Justice Moreno, the only Democrat, was by Gov. George Deukmejian, a rightist. Justice Kennard, a Republican, was also appointed by Deukmejian. Justice Werdegar is a Republican.

Bill Clinton, the man behind DOMA and DADT appointed Karen Nelson Moore to the US Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals in 1995. She consistently votes for the rights of christianists to oppress GLBT folk. Senate Democrats led by Feinstein of California worked with Republicans to approve gaybashing Bush nominees for the US 7th Circuit Court of Appeals and as US Attorney General.

Most politicians are very wealthy and the rest are in politics to get that way. That’s the bottom line in US politics and the rest is snake oil, a substance Kid A appears to abuse all too often. The truth is that politicians appoint judges who’ll protect wealth and privilege, and those people don’t take kindly to laws or cases that award large claims against bigots, christianist cults and other bigots.

Congressional Democrats and Republicans are just as bad. Led by Barney Frank, they gutted ENDA and dropped the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes bill to prevent to these claims from ever getting to a jury.

The key to gaining our equality is not to rely on capricious and vacillating political judges or legislators but on ourselves and our ability to fight through to the end, whatever the means and no matter the consequences, to get our share of what the world offers.

But I just think the state should have no legal power over marriage. That way, we wouldn’t have had to go through with this to begin with.

I don’t understand why marriage is so special though. The unmarried and partnered, or simply single, should have the same rights as those married.

Marriage is a civil function and does not belong to the church.

And gay people like Jesus and Paul created the church. :)

pssst…. if you look closely at Ann Coulter’s Adam’s apple I wouldn’t be throwing around that drag slur.
a Democrat when he has a same sex act, BOTH parties are adult, awake, and consensual….unlike a certain Republican ex-congressman Foley or predatory Republican youth leader Glenn Murphy who sucked off a sleeping republican boy.

AgainstIt – We don’t want to just slap the church in the face; we’ll end up grinding its face in the dirt by supporting laws to tax Jesus Christ Inc. like all the other entertainment conglomerates.

A Republican is a baboon in a people suit with a totalitarian christianite attached at the hip. A Democrat is a Republican in drag.

in the end you are just a hetero, which isn’t normal…..it’s just COMMON.

This will kill him for sure!