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	<title>Comments on: Gay Mormon Group Riles Mainstream Church</title>
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	<description>Free of an agenda. Except that gay one.</description>
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		<title>By: greybat</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/gay-mormon-group-riles-mainstream-church-20080812/#comment-72945</link>
		<dc:creator>greybat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but surely male and female are intertwined within each man and woman already, both as archetypal chambers of the soul, as well as the combined egg and seed that creates our physical bodies?
  Therefore, when we couple with our loved one, the mystical union takes place regardless of gender, because male and female are already joined in the realm of our bodies.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but surely male and female are intertwined within each man and woman already, both as archetypal chambers of the soul, as well as the combined egg and seed that creates our physical bodies?<br />
  Therefore, when we couple with our loved one, the mystical union takes place regardless of gender, because male and female are already joined in the realm of our bodies.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Wagner</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/gay-mormon-group-riles-mainstream-church-20080812/#comment-72779</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops ... my last post had some typos (one of which is very significant):

- There should only be one &quot;that&quot; in the first paragraph.
- The end of the third paragraph should say &quot;people who do NOT hold that same conviction.&quot;

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops &#8230; my last post had some typos (one of which is very significant):</p>
<p>- There should only be one &#8220;that&#8221; in the first paragraph.<br />
- The end of the third paragraph should say &#8220;people who do NOT hold that same conviction.&#8221;</p>
<p>:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Wagner</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/gay-mormon-group-riles-mainstream-church-20080812/#comment-72772</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a really hard issue for the LDS Church because of the Latter-day Saint conviction that  that there is a universal truth out there and that it is only by living one&#039;s life in harmony with that truth that one can experience real joy.

The modern philosophies in most of the world today are different from the LDS philosophy in this way. Most philosophies, in one way or another, say that each person needs to find their own truth and accept the fact that another person will find a different truth.

Latter-day Saints face the challenge of holding fast to their conviction of universal truth (which is, after all, one of the things that makes the religion strong) while communicating effectively with people who do hold that same conviction.

The LDS Church and Affirmation have trouble communicating because the LDS Church is adhering to its conviction of universal truth which says that the natural order of the universe is for male and female to be be united eternally and that to try to unite male and male or female and female is contrary to the order of the universe and therefore, the order of happiness.

Therefore, the LDS Church is in the tough position of trying to communicate with Affirmation (because LDS doctrine values empathy and love for all people) while not abandoning their convictions.

It&#039;s a tough position and I don&#039;t know that it is possible for the two groups to ever really agree unless one of the two fundamentally changes their philosophy (therefore changing the nature of the organization).

Well, I hope this little statement on philosophy is helpful to someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really hard issue for the LDS Church because of the Latter-day Saint conviction that  that there is a universal truth out there and that it is only by living one&#8217;s life in harmony with that truth that one can experience real joy.</p>
<p>The modern philosophies in most of the world today are different from the LDS philosophy in this way. Most philosophies, in one way or another, say that each person needs to find their own truth and accept the fact that another person will find a different truth.</p>
<p>Latter-day Saints face the challenge of holding fast to their conviction of universal truth (which is, after all, one of the things that makes the religion strong) while communicating effectively with people who do hold that same conviction.</p>
<p>The LDS Church and Affirmation have trouble communicating because the LDS Church is adhering to its conviction of universal truth which says that the natural order of the universe is for male and female to be be united eternally and that to try to unite male and male or female and female is contrary to the order of the universe and therefore, the order of happiness.</p>
<p>Therefore, the LDS Church is in the tough position of trying to communicate with Affirmation (because LDS doctrine values empathy and love for all people) while not abandoning their convictions.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a tough position and I don&#8217;t know that it is possible for the two groups to ever really agree unless one of the two fundamentally changes their philosophy (therefore changing the nature of the organization).</p>
<p>Well, I hope this little statement on philosophy is helpful to someone.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles J. Mueller</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/gay-mormon-group-riles-mainstream-church-20080812/#comment-72620</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles J. Mueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What can you expect from people who read from the &quot;Book of Morons&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What can you expect from people who read from the &#8220;Book of Morons&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Swing_And_A_Miss</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/gay-mormon-group-riles-mainstream-church-20080812/#comment-72427</link>
		<dc:creator>Swing_And_A_Miss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stupid, Stupid, Stupid Affirmation....Stupid!!

As a straight and active member of the Mormon Church I had high hopes for this meeting. A new President had just been seated, a more reconciliatory tone had been taken in leaderships talks and articles, and for the first time ever they have agreed to meet w/ Affirmation.

It&#039;s not like they&#039;re going to leave the position unfilled, and once it has been filled, hold them to their word. By holding a press conference now, you screwed everything up. What motivation do they have to meet with you now that you&#039;ve proven you&#039;ll just run to the press when you don&#039;t get what you want when you want it? Better to leave you on the outside screaming in, rather than to meet with you and give you more ammo.

Time to hire someone w/ a sliver of political IQ.

:(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stupid, Stupid, Stupid Affirmation&#8230;.Stupid!!</p>
<p>As a straight and active member of the Mormon Church I had high hopes for this meeting. A new President had just been seated, a more reconciliatory tone had been taken in leaderships talks and articles, and for the first time ever they have agreed to meet w/ Affirmation.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like they&#8217;re going to leave the position unfilled, and once it has been filled, hold them to their word. By holding a press conference now, you screwed everything up. What motivation do they have to meet with you now that you&#8217;ve proven you&#8217;ll just run to the press when you don&#8217;t get what you want when you want it? Better to leave you on the outside screaming in, rather than to meet with you and give you more ammo.</p>
<p>Time to hire someone w/ a sliver of political IQ.</p>
<p>:(</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/gay-mormon-group-riles-mainstream-church-20080812/#comment-72421</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once the get their rights, will gay mormons be allowed to be married to multiple husbands ?  What about wearing magic undergarments ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once the get their rights, will gay mormons be allowed to be married to multiple husbands ?  What about wearing magic undergarments ?</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blame the children you TOSS onto the street to fend anyway they can...your love is KILLING US, LDS.
The maternal side of my Family are all LDS, and love me just as I am, openly gay.
It&#039;s hateful folks in the elders who hold this bigotted hateful rage against queers, not individual Mormons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blame the children you TOSS onto the street to fend anyway they can&#8230;your love is KILLING US, LDS.<br />
The maternal side of my Family are all LDS, and love me just as I am, openly gay.<br />
It&#8217;s hateful folks in the elders who hold this bigotted hateful rage against queers, not individual Mormons.</p>
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		<title>By: Qjersey</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/gay-mormon-group-riles-mainstream-church-20080812/#comment-72354</link>
		<dc:creator>Qjersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I will hdd (as my partner is an ex-LDS). The LDS preaches &quot;family family family&quot; and that LDS members are reunited in Heaven with their families, but if you get tossed out of the church you will never see your family in Heaven. 

some family values, scaring kids into thinking they will never see their parents in heaven if they don&#039;t tow the LDS line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I will hdd (as my partner is an ex-LDS). The LDS preaches &#8220;family family family&#8221; and that LDS members are reunited in Heaven with their families, but if you get tossed out of the church you will never see your family in Heaven. </p>
<p>some family values, scaring kids into thinking they will never see their parents in heaven if they don&#8217;t tow the LDS line.</p>
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		<title>By: Qjersey</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/gay-mormon-group-riles-mainstream-church-20080812/#comment-72352</link>
		<dc:creator>Qjersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, the LDS is pissy about &quot;handling things privately&quot; when the LDS has refused to meet with Affirmation. Damned if you do, damned if you don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, the LDS is pissy about &#8220;handling things privately&#8221; when the LDS has refused to meet with Affirmation. Damned if you do, damned if you don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/gay-mormon-group-riles-mainstream-church-20080812/#comment-72340</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where does the word &quot;Utah&quot; appear?</description>
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		<title>By: Stenar</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/gay-mormon-group-riles-mainstream-church-20080812/#comment-72322</link>
		<dc:creator>Stenar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, why do you assume that because they&#039;re Mormon, they&#039;re based in Utah?  Affirmation is based in Los Angeles, not Utah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, why do you assume that because they&#8217;re Mormon, they&#8217;re based in Utah?  Affirmation is based in Los Angeles, not Utah.</p>
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		<title>By: Stenar</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/gay-mormon-group-riles-mainstream-church-20080812/#comment-72320</link>
		<dc:creator>Stenar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The LDS Church doesn&#039;t like people to air things out in the open.

I think Affirmation was wrong.  They should have waited until the church hired a new person in that position and had the discussion first.  If things went sour after that, then go public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The LDS Church doesn&#8217;t like people to air things out in the open.</p>
<p>I think Affirmation was wrong.  They should have waited until the church hired a new person in that position and had the discussion first.  If things went sour after that, then go public.</p>
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		<title>By: Darth Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/gay-mormon-group-riles-mainstream-church-20080812/#comment-72315</link>
		<dc:creator>Darth Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ladder Day&quot;...that&#039;s hilarious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ladder Day&#8221;&#8230;that&#8217;s hilarious.</p>
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