Gay adult film star Josh Weston has passed away at the age of 39.
Porn studio, Hot House, confirmed the sad news via their blog:
Adult Superstar Josh Weston succumbed to HIV-related complications on Sunday, December 16. He was 39 years old.
Weston started his career in 2001 as a Falcon Exclusive, starring some of their biggest hits from the early 2000s.
After leaving that contract went on to work with other studios including Hot House where he headlined our hits Trunks 3 and Communion.
Always warm and friendly and ready to laugh, Josh was loved by many and will be missed by all.
Weston, according to The Sword, was discovered as a dancer in San Francisco by Chi Chi Larue and had starred in over 25 films through the course of his career. He had apparently been working on a memoir entitled Sleeping My Way to the Bottom.
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Fitz
VERY sad, and it’s something that I can’t wrap my little brain around. In 2012, in USA, who dies of ARC at 39?????? He was either supremely unlucky or otherwise non compliant with meds. Either way, it’s VERY SAD. There is a guy in my building who has been poz since like 1985, and he jogs and does yoga and puts my negative ass to shame. The only way it makes sense is that his demons got in the way of his treatment.
Bob LaBlah
I think ANYONE who wants to be a porn star should go to the library and get the following two books and read them THOROUGHLY: My Life in Porn by Bobby Blake and Christopher Isherwood (the author) book about Joey Stefano.
The book about Joey Stefano is a tear jerker if one ever existed. To say that kid self destructed is an understatement.
As with Blake’s book he mentions numerous black porn stars who more or less went the same way as Stephano. Richard Reyes was one of the porn stars he mentions who tragically went the same way.
I am pretty sure (or at least hope) he is ok but does anyone know how Tristan Paris (Falcon) is doing?
CaptainFabulous
RIP.
Spike
Who? With everyone, the mother and brother in porn these days, why is everyone called a porn STAR, seems to me like they are just people that have sex on camera, def. not and actor and just barely a performer. Just having sex on camera.
viveutvivas
@fittz, as in the other article on another relatively young activist dying of AIDS that appeared today, the meds do not work for everyone. Drug resistance is a real problem, and occurs even in people who have been compliant, so we have to be careful not to blame the victims. These two cases are a very sad reminder that the AIDS crisis is not over, and gay organizations are making a mistake in their scaling down of prevention and treatment activism.
QJ201
So that’s 2 obits in two days featuring deaths from AIDS with scant details.
I saw Josh Weston “perform” at the Gay Erotic Expo in NYC a few years back and he was TWEAKED OUT OF HIS FRIGGIN MIND. An acquaintance of Spencer Cox posted on another blog that he was shocked that Spencer had died after “overcoming meth addiction” in the last decade.
Crystal Meth addiction often leads to poor adherence to HIV meds (partying makes you forget to take your pills) and poor adherence leads to drug resistance.
So I’m calling bullshit. ARC exacerbated by drug use.
John Doe
This should be a reminder to everyone that HIV is still a deadly disease. Don’t bareback or support companies that promote it.
We’ve come a long way… but being unsafe in sex is dangerous for yourself AND for others.
dab822
be nice boys. he may not have been a “star” but god knows (just an expression as i am ATHEIST and never heard of Josh) not a happy occasion
his career as he played it cost him and i guess the rest of us poz guys politically
hiv sucks and not in a good way!
how is that for substance
viveutvivas
QJ201, you don’t know that. Drug resistance happens even in people who are compliant. And even if you are right, please stop blaming the victims and belittling the importance of their deaths because they were unfortunate enough to fall into addiction. You are not morally superior to him just because presumably you don’t use drugs.
Chad Hunt
I am very saddened to hear of this tragedy. Josh (Chad) was always a very sweet, good natured guy, that I had the privilege of knowing and sharing several production sets with. I will miss him.
What saddens me more is how vicious the gay community can be over anthers choices. Especially when most, if not all of these people are being hypocritical. I seriously doubt all of the people who sit in judgement of Josh have always used condoms during both anal and oral. Have they always used a dental damn when rimming? Probably not.
We all make choices in our lives that can be dangerous to our well being. Myself included. Some of us just make more of those choices than others. Just because we make fewer bad choices or differing ones does not mean we are better people.
I hate the term bareback sex and even more so hate the way it is used to demonize what I consider natural sex. You can be responsible and still engage in unprotected sex. Getting tested together with a sexual partner, sharing your results and staying monogamous or polygamous within those tested together is one way.
The key is being honest with each other over our status’ and being able to stay faithful together or within the agreed group. Bareback sex is not the problem irresponsible people are.
I may not have agreed with Josh’s choice of doing bareback videos but the choice was his to make and I surely have done enough things in my life to never condemn the actions of another.
It is disgusting to hear the way many of you have talked about another human being. Especially when almost all of you support the porn industry by buying videos, downloading from the net or what have you.
There are many porn stars with all types of issues just as there are many people in the outside world with varying types of issues. We as a community should come together when another human being has succumbed to this terrible disease not judge and humiliate the dead.
I know of many people who seek out HIV of their own accord. Why? Is it becuase they just want to have wild sex parties with multiple partners? I think not! the root of the matter is we are just all tired of being afraid of something so natural and beautiful as sex. Instead of demonizing sex and labeling it we need to teach person responsibility and how to minimize our risks.
Safe sex, does not mean you will not get HIV. Condoms break, dental dams rip, wear and tear or old condoms improperly stored etc. There are many risk factors.
Many people judge and hate on others because they are jealous that they do not have the guts to do the things these people do or have done. You begrudge them for living their lives openly and for participating in activities you long yourself to do.
As I said earlier, natural sex is not the problem our irresponsibility is. If you engage in natural sex be honest with yourself and your partners about your sexual activities and stay tested within your coupling or group.
We should all stop judging and hurting each other. That should be the ultimate goal of our or any other community.
My final word on this posting is … “Josh, I love and will miss you my friend. I hope you have found the peace you craved in this life in the next.” XOXOXOXOXxoxoxoxoxo
Gare1eth
I agree with some of what Chad says about us turning on one another. If we’ve lusted after these guys or hired them who are we to disparage them? There wouldn’t be an industry if we weren’t watching. It’s unfortunate that the environment the guys work in or the backgrounds porn stars often come from lead many to start or persist in taking drugs and in performing unsafe sex. But I am going to have to disagree with most of Chad’s stance on barebacking. While it’s theoretically fine in a committed concordant status relationship, even then if one of the partner ever succumbs to temptation- risk is introduced. For the rest of us who either choose not to be or are unfortunate enough not to have a committed relationship when they would want one- condoms and dental dams are the way to go. While they aren’t fail safe, they are the best we have to work with with until science finds a cure.
Chad Hunt
@Gare1eth: … exactly how do u disagree with what I said on natural sex? U agreed that a committed relationship is a way to prevent HIV contraction. It is when one or more partners break the commitment that risk is introduced. That is why i said the relationship must be committed by one or more partners and honesty is key in maintaining that commitment along with continued testing. For people in non committed relationships the best choice is safer sex with condoms or dental dams if they engage in other types of sex beyond hand jobs.
Gare1eth
My mistake- the 1st time I read your post- I misread the specific circumstances that you aprrove of natural sex ( barebacking) in. So I apologize. However I must disagree about your attempt to not demonize barebacking in general. There are far more of us, I’m presuming, without a commited partner than with one. For the majority of us without committed relationships- barebacking does need to be demonized to prevent the spread of AIDs. I wish it weren’t so. But I am not lucky enough to be in a relationship- doubt I ever will be.
Sukhrajah
@Chad Hunt:
Chad, if indeed this is the real Mr. Hunt, I have a proposition for you. Please do not let the death of this young man, coworker, and friend be in vain. I have read what you said at least a dozen times, and I have realized that a successful way of overcoming the ‘cattyness’ of the LGBT community is to show them more of the truth than they would have otherwise had access to.
You worked for, and still have connections to, major insiders at some the major porn production companies out there. I understand that it is not in their best interest to do so, but how about working on a project that discusses the rigors of the job, the demands (both physical and psychological) that often cause regular men to turn to drugs, alcohol, and less than moral behavior simply to exist, or continue existing in that industry.
You did discuss that the demands of the LGBT community, the demands of the Porn Industry combine in a very interesting way, and I believe that you did not do harm to the craft, by blaming the very audience that supports you, but perhaps it is time to show the world the inner workings of the industry, to show how much is done, with so little – to combat the stereotypes, to show how easily and naturally (or perhaps, abnormally) some decisions are made – to show how risky behaviors are rewarded, because profits matter.
Maybe, before we lose a few more of your brothers, it’s time to channel this focus to the topic that really matters – how and why these things happen. If by your estimates (and by that of every HIV/AIDS activist out there can see as well), porn is seen by so many, maybe it’s time that we use that vehicle to show the world some of the truth, to humanize the very plastic nature of porn. For the very least, we might save a few lives, or honor one that was lost along the way.
OH, AND P.S. – “Josh” or whatever his real name was – was a human being, a son, a brother, a nephew, a child, a man. Regardless of his life, or of his death, he meant something to someone. For the very least, can we respect that, please? His friends, his family, might be out there, coming to happen upon your words one day. At least to the survivors of this loss, can we please be kind. To Josh, wherever you are, I hope that you find peace, happiness, and love. A life gone too quickly, a story left untold, but at least today, find some rest and peace, young man.
Franco C.
Whenever I hear the news of someone’s passing I am saddened. It’s notable that so many young men in the porn industry die young, or turn to a life of crime. I believe that it’s disproportionate to the rest of the population. The industry appears to be shrouded in mystery, and I’m often left wondering how much these young men make, if it’s enough to live securely. Why do people turn to risky sexual behaviour? Why do we covet the flesh so easily and thoughtlessly? I hope that Josh is well now, and that there are lessons to be learned from the life that he lived and the one that he let slip away. Peace.
sjguy
@Franco C.: I can appreciate that you “think” that it’s disproportionate to the rest of the population, but statements like that, that have absolutely no evidence to support them, are exactly what Chad Hunt is talking about in regards to our own people demonizing those that work in porn or that make porn (not just the actors are gay, the makers are also often gay).
I have the pleasure of owning a website that films and sells gay porn and with the nearly 100 guys (amateurs and professionals) that I have worked with, the majority just do porn on the side, while also keeping a full-time job. They are normal, functioning members of society, they don’t live on the fringes anymore than the rest of us do. As for porn makers, the cliche of us being predators who trick down on their luck guys into performing on camera is laughable. The amount of documentation and contracts that need to be signed before these people can perform and the need for people to be completely co-herent when they sign a performance contract precludes drug use (at least on our sets). Any impairment of judgement from chemicals or alcohol isn’t allowed and we very strictly enforce that. Just like we strictly enforce frequent testing, communication, disclosure, etc. Everyone is completely comfortable with what is being filmed and if anyone doesn’t want to do something (like getting cum in their mouth), then we won’t do it. Maybe our studio is different than others, (and from the great feedback we have from our performers, it might be).
As for bareback in porn… I was very against it at first, I certainly don’t want to encourage people to have unprotected sex. The thing is, people don’t have bareback sex because they saw it in a porn, they have bareback sex because they are drunk and don’t think to wear a condom, or they are horny and a condom isn’t available, or they already don’t practice safe sex. Blaming an entire industry for bareback sex is ridiculous. Have you ever had sex without a condom and with a condom? People have bareback sex because it just feels better. Bareback is a hot seller too. Bareback is the most requested porn we get and we do very little of it because we don’t want to be labeled a bareback site, even though the bareback stuff outsells condom sex by a very healthy margin.
Anyway, my whole point was, people who aren’t involved in the porn industry, know very little about it and it’s easy to heap scorn on us. But I can guarantee you, if you could get involved in the industry for just a few days, your tune would change. I got into the business during the recession and was skeptical that I could ever really get into it. But I’ve met amazing people in a really progressive industry that is the least judgmental group of gay men I’ve ever known.
I can’t help but feel the gay community at large could learn a bit about respect and honesty from an industry that many of you scorn publicly, then privately go home and beat off to at night.
Chad Hunt
@Sukhrajah: thanks for your comment. Actually, I have in many interviews, personal emails, and blog postings described the various pitfalls, pleasures, and possibilities of the porn industry. I would be happy to make a documentary or work with anyone on discussing these matters and have been a very vocal person on these very issues. Just as in almost any industry there are all types of situations good and bad we could potentially find ourselves in.
the other Greg
@Chad Hunt: Glad to hear it. Since you said you “hate the term bareback sex” (!!!), I was concerned you might be trying to redefine that whole part of the industry as “natural sex” videos!
Sort of like how the beef processors want to redefine ammonia-treated “pink slime” as finely textured whatever it was.
Chad Hunt
@the other Greg: … LOL … not at all. What I consider natural sex is unprotected sex between well informed, tested, personally responsible people who have committed themselves to each other or within a committed group. Certainly not promiscuous people who have no regard for themselves or others.
Very few things in life are innately evil. It is the actions we take as individuals in regards to certain circumstances, actions or devices wherein the good or bad quality arises.
Chad Hunt
My problem is how judgmental so many people can be of others actions yet forget their own discrepancies. How many of these judgmental people have driven home from the bar a club with a buzz and put not only themselves at risk but others traveling on the road.
How many of these judgmental people themselves have had sometype of either unprotected oral, anal sex.
How many of them have felt the sharp pang of another’s tongue yet themselves speak venomously of others.
What illegal or immoral acts have they committed yet scorn the same or less offensive acts of others.
No one is perfect. Judge not lest thou be judged. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Kasnar
I remember there was a lot of chatter on the web when Mr. Weston started doing bareback porn several years ago. It was viewed as confirmation of his turning POZ. Perhaps, it was. Very sad. I’ll always remember him as looking very buff and fit – which just proves the adage that looks can be deceiving.
Chad Hunt
@Cam: … Happy to respond to someone new … comment #4 basically says Josh who? Downgrading him from a porn star to just some average porn performer. Comment #6 says the person met Josh and he was tweeked out of his mind. Comment #7 references bareback videos being bad and therefore Josh by extension since he did bareback videos. Comment #8 says Josh’s career choice cost him and makes other poz people look bad politically.
I was also responding to the comments on Twitter, TheSword.com, Towerload.com and other sites that have even more vicious comments.
I just dont think when someone dies we need to discuss their bad choices during life. As has been pointed out Josh has many fans, he is also someone’s son, brother, lover, etc. At your death or the death of people making these comments do they want everyone discussing all of the wrong you or they have done in your/their lives for all the world including your/their family to potentially see.
Cam
@Chad Hunt:
You said “I never made a judement of Josh”. Then you said “I may not have agreed with Josh’s choice”.
From the dictionary definition of “Judgement”
judg·ment/?d??d??m?nt/ Show Spelled [juhj-muh?nt] Show IPA
noun
1. an act or instance of judging.
2. the ability to judge, make a decision, or form an opinion objectively,
4. the forming of an opinion,
5. the opinion formed
By not agreeing with his choice, you formed an opinion. You made a judgement. Your belief of what the word means is irrelevent, the factual definition does not match it.
the other Greg
@Chad Hunt: You declared you wouldn’t “judge” Josh’s “choice” to bareback professionally. Even though that’s exactly what killed him.
How is that helpful?
Either (1) Josh’s “choice” had no effect on the viewing public, or (2) it did. If it’s #1 we were all free to discuss other aspects of the HIV crisis… and you were certainly doing that, with your extraneous “committed natural sex” theories, which obviously didn’t apply to Josh. If it’s #2, commenters could lament Josh’s actions all they wanted… and yet, they really didn’t, however much you were imagining they were.
Josh was a public figure – according to you, not Queerty readers who’d never heard of him – so there’s no need for his friends to faint like southern belles at Tara if someone said something a bit less than laudatory.
Chad Hunt
I asked Queerty to remove my discussions on this thread because it had nothing to do with Josh or his death but was a petty attempt at poster #23 and 24 to engage in pettiness.
Again poster #23 disagreement is not judgement I may have formed an opinion but never stated what my opinion was other than it was not the same as Josh’s. Do u assume to know my mind.
poster #24 seems to know exactly what killed Josh I assume he read a medical examiners report stating specifically it was Josh’s bareback video career that killed him or at least that if indeed he died of HIV complications he had contracted the virus from making bareback videos.
I will again ask queerty to remove my posts in these discussions as this has nothing to do with the original intent of this story thread.
Cam
@Chad Hunt:
Chat Hunt Said….
Again poster #23 disagreement is not judgement I may have formed an opinion but never stated what my opinion was other than it was not the same as Josh’s.
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Once again…
judg·ment/?d??d??m?nt/ Show Spelled [juhj-muh?nt] Show IPA
noun
1. an act or instance of judging.
2. the ability to judge, make a decision, or form an opinion objectively,
4. the forming of an opinion,
5. the opinion formed
You just stated right here that you “Formed and Opinion”. The definition of judging is “The Forming of an opinion”.
Your problem is, that you seem to be either too insecure or arrogant to realize that the definition of a word is not what you think it is. If I thought that a word meant one thing and I was shown a dictionairy definition that showed me it meant something else, I wouldn’t spend a lot of time calling others petty and trying to continue claiming that it did not mean that.
You seem to believe that “Judge” is that new agey touchy feelie definition that has some vague meaning of being mean.
Sorry, you are flat out wrong, deal with it and move on. Your commentary on here smacked of being judgemental and yet you self importantly went on to attack others for being judgemental. Perhaps you should have spent a bit more time talking about how sad it is that this person succemed to a much to early death and much less time treating us all to your views on life, and your incorrect views on the meaning of particular words in the English Language.
Spike
@Chad Hunt: “We should all stop judging . . . ”
As if these so called porn stars have never judged the perceived “old fat trolls” that buy their videos, show up at porn conventions and pay for pics with them not to mention pay for for their attention/services one-on-one.
Nope, no judgement going on in those circles, none whatsoever!
DanteL
I’m curious why so many of you think you know exactly what caused this man’s death? Unless you knew him personally (most you didn’t) you don’t know if he was a “tweaked” out drug user (and “a friend told me” is not proof of anything except that you have super gossipy friends) or non-compliant with his meds or if his body simply resisted the medication he was taking. HIV is still a deadly disease. And it can kill people regardless of whether they’re compliant with their medication or not (and there have been a lot of studies recently relating the resistance build-up that is starting to happen…similar to that of the mainstay antibiotics). You make yourself look insanely foolish and bitchy by making catty comments about his lifestyle or assuming you know anything about him.
Matt
@Chad Hunt: Anal sex is not natural at all, never was, never will be. Semen, blood, and fecal matter just aren’t a good mix. It’s sad how many gay men think fudgepacking is the way to go and you aren’t really all that gay unless you’re a top, bottom, or verse.
DanteL
@Matt: You seem to know an awful lot about gay sex for someone who seems to think it’s so sad (and how given that this was your 16th comment on a gay site). And your line about not being gay unless you’re a top, bottom or verse is just plain odd. We’re all one of those things and gay so…not sure you had a point there. Come to think of it your entire post is pointless. Semen & blood BTW are much more prevelant in a women’s vagina than a man’s ass, especially given how they bleed once a month and cumming is essential to creating life. But you probably wouldn’t know too much about a woman’s vagina would you?
Chad Hunt
@Cam: … again and again disagreement is not judgement. Your own dictionary definition states it is an opinion or a formed opinion. I never expressed what my opinion was other than it differed from Josh’s. My judgement would be me stating what my opinion was which i never did.
Chad Hunt
@Cam: … Let’s provide an example for the idiots who do not understand the difference between a fact and opinion/judgment …
I have two pieces of stained glass in my hand. One piece is red and the other piece is blue. Saying the two pieces of glass are different is not an opinion or judgment it is a fact.
Now if I stated that the red piece of stained glass was more beautiful than the blue piece of glass that would be an opinion or judgment.
Not simply stating that the two pieces of glass were different.
Me stating that i didnt agree with Josh’s choice only lets the reader know my thoughts on the issue were different than Josh’s but I do not offer what my thoughts were so therefore I did not lay down my opinion or judgment of the choice he made.
Cam
@Chad Hunt: Said……
@Cam: … again and again disagreement is not judgement. Your own dictionary definition states it is an opinion or a formed opinion. I never expressed what my opinion was other than it differed from Josh’s.
Chad Hunt also said…. “I may not have agreed with Josh’s choice of doing bareback videos”
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You formed an opinion. That is making a judgement whether you express it or not. You THEN lied and stated that you never expressed it, when your own statement was that you did not agree with his choice of doing bareback videos.
Once again, you either seem to be incredibly insecure or incredibly arrogant because even when the fact of a dictionary definition is put in front of you and matched against your own words you care nothing about facts. You have this all consuming desperation to not admit simply that your definition was wrong. Whatever issues are causing it really don’t matter the fact is, look at the desperate lengths you are going to to avoid admitting you made a mistake? You could have EASILY said several posts ago… “Oh ok, I DID have a judgement, but I would never hold it against him or attack him for it…etc…
Then it would have been over, but you have wasted all this time spinning yourself all over the place to first try to claim you were right in spite of the dictionary definition of the word, then you actually lied and claimed you did not say something you did.
Forming an opinion is different than stating that opinion. IF you don’t know this then perhaps it isn’t your fault, I would blame the teacher you had in 3rd grade because that is when most of the rest of us learned such things.
the other Greg
It’s interesting that Chad informed us he won’t do bareback videos himself since he thinks it sets a bad example for the viewers. Chad also said he didn’t “approve” of Josh’s decision to bareback in videos – not because it might, like, kill him or something, but because it sets a bad example for the viewers.
Either it’s a bad example or it’s not. Chad has already told us he thinks it is.
And yet, he thinks it’s horrible and “petty” if any of us points this out, or says anything about Josh that might the least bit inappropriate in the memorial guestbook for, say, a 6 year old child.
I hope this is not Queerty’s new policy, that porn “stars” are demigods who must never be criticized even mildly when they die of “HIV-related complications” after setting a bad example by barebacking on camera and possibly infecting others in the process. Even when the picture Queerty runs is from the guy’s Wikipedia (!) page. (After Chad looks up “judgment” he could look up the legal definition of “public figure.”)
@Chad Hunt: Now Chad wonders if I have “read a medical examiners report stating specifically it was Josh’s bareback video career that killed him or at least that if indeed he died of HIV complications he had contracted the virus from making bareback videos.”
Uh… the article quotes a statement from his employer the porn studio that “Josh Weston succumbed to HIV-related complications.” So yeah, it’s probably safe to assume he did “indeed” die “of HIV complications.”
What is upsetting you now, dearie? Yes, we don’t know for sure that he got infected by barebacking ON camera. Are you saying it’s somehow better if he got it by barebacking OFF-camera? What difference does it make? Maybe most of us had never heard of him, but he was YOUR friend – don’t you even care what killed him?
Chad Hunt
OMG these two are obviously never going to get it but here is one last attempt to explain facts opinions and judgments … First of all u need an elementary school knowledge of when something is a fact or an opinion … Facts are truths, opinions are feelings toward which can be alterable. if something is blue thats a fact. If something is red that is a fact. Saying red is different then blue is a fact not an opinion. If i have a round peg and try to put it in a round hole I can do that becuase they are in agreement. The fact is they are both round. if I have a square peg I can not put it in a round hole because they are in disagreement. The fact is they are different. having a difference is not an opinion.
I disagreed with Josh’s choice becuase my feelings were different. Facts Now if I said my choice was the right choice and Josh’s choice was the wrong choice that would be forming an opinion or judgement. i think cam needs to go back to school.
Theothergreg says bareback is what caused Josh’s death. No it wasn’t. Having sex with someone who had the hIv virus already through bareback sex is what caused josh to get HIV. It wasnt the bareback sex that caused it in and of itself. Otherwise every str8 porn actor would have HIV because almost all str8 porn is bareback.
Whether Josh caught his Hiv from doing the videos or before is irrelevant it is the fact that he and his sex partner did not get tested and share their results before engaging in the sex is what ultimately caused the HIV contraction.
Oh. and I do know what ultimately ended Josh’s life but it is not my place to discuss it on the internet.
Cam
@Chad Hunt:
No, what you have attempted to do in the first part of your post is to pretend that there was a different discussion happening, and then to argue against that disucussion that you falsley created.
That is called a strawman argument. In otherwords you created a false antagonist to argue against to avoid the real topic.
Then in the second part of your comment you said…
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I disagreed with Josh’s choice becuase my feelings were different. Facts Now if I said my choice was the right choice and Josh’s choice was the wrong choice that would be forming an opinion or judgement. i think cam needs to go back to school.”
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You do realize that dissagreeing with somebody is forming and having an opinion whether or not you say anything about your choice being right or not don’t you? As for talking about me going back to school, I’m trying to be nice here. You lost this argument. You keep trying to alter facts to claim you are right and you just look more and more foolish.
Listen to what you are basically saying. You are saying.
I had the opinion that I dissagreed with his choices. But because I never stood up and said “My OPINION is right, that means I never had an opinion.”
Seriously, you really need to become less defensive. You are wrong, it wasn’t a big thing until you have tried more and more desperate contortions to try to weasel out of it. You must be an absolute nightmare to date. I can just see it. Your boyfriend…. “Chad, did you leave the car lights on?
You…”No, I did not because although I turned on the lights, and got out of the car and locked the door with them still on, I didn’t SAY I left them on…therefore I didn’t.”
Hopefully you can cook or have a good sense of humor to make up for ridiculous stubborness in the face of overwhelming evidence. I get that you may have some sort of mindset of “People think porn stars are stupid and I’ll prove they aren’t!” but you would seem infinitly smarter by admiting one incorrect definition than you do by refusing to face facts. Hey, I use spellcheck a lot. That doesn’t diminish me but your inability to comprehend a simple definition kinda does you…
DanteL
This back and forth between everyone and Chad Hunt is ridiculousness at its best. Queens who just can’t let shit go. Always have to have the last word. This conversation is pointless, mindless, and utterly stupid. “This is the definition of this word.” “No it isn’t!” “Yes it is.” Really? A lot of time of your hands lads.
Matt
@DanteL: It is sad. The guy is dead and so is that other man, Spencer Cox, all because of buttsecks. And FYI, my guy and I don’t do buttsecks. We’re not into condoms, HIV tests, and the lifestyle that goes with all that filth. And another FYI, I’ve had vaginal sex but not during a woman’s period. A vagina is much cleaner than an anus, even a cleansed anus. And a vagina also lubricates itself and doesn’t have a sphincter which is designed to keep things out. Feces, blood and semen are not a healthy mix. An anus bleeds a little every time it’s penetrated; a perfect breeding ground for spreading disease. We need to get real. 2013 is just around the corner.
http://blog.aids.gov/2012/12/syphilis-and-hiv-a-dangerous-duo-affecting-gay-and-bisexual-men.html
DanteL
@Matt: I feel bad for you if you don’t have anal sex with your partner. I mean good luck to you but that just sounds super dull. I mean really dull. Do you guys talk a lot? Also, I’m not sure where you’re getting your information but having worked in a hospital I can tell you that your facts about women’s vaginas are not quite correct. “Clean” is a relevant term when referring to a women’s vagina. If a woman does what they’re supposed to, it can be a very clean environment, full of lots of good bacteria. Unfortunately, most women have poor vaginal health (due to their own lack of care or medications or unhealthy sexual practices) which makes it a somewhat non-clean environment, especially when compared to gay men who are hypersensitive about their anal cavity and regularly take great care to make it clean. There are several things that can contribute to an unhealthy, unclean vagina. Douching, for one, is a bad thing because it kills good bacteria and can change PH levels (women should really only douche if they’re trying to get pregnant). Unfortunately, because of miss-information, a lot of women are still douching which kills the good bacteria and allows for attacks from bad bacteria. Because of women’s fear of smell, they tend to use over-perfumed wipes or “hygiene” sprays to make it smell better. Unfortunately, this isn’t great for the vagina either in the same way that douching isn’t. Poor diet is another issue for unclean vaginas and it is rampant in this country, particularly among low-income women. Feminine hygiene and washing should also be considered. A lot of women end up only cleaning the outside or a few inches (whatever their fingers can reach in the shower) of their vagina, missing the upper canal which can hold a lot of bad bacteria and they use the wrong kind of soap (soap that is overly perfumed or heavy on dyes). *This is getting super long so I broke it into two paragraphs…easier to read…see post below*
DanteL
@Matt There is also the issue of penetration by objects (fingers, penis, dildos, hamsters, whatever) that are not clean or the injection (if you will) of sperm, which is highly alkaline and can interfere with a woman’s PH balance. Women’s underwear is also a culprit, both the type (thong versus bikini versus granny panty) and material. Cotton underwear is best because it allows for free air flow but a lot of women don’t like cotton underwear because it’s boring and not sexy. So they go for other materials. Not only does this restrict air flow, which isn’t good, but it can also increase the possibility of fecal transfer…which is where you’re also wrong when it comes to the vagina. Fecal material actually travels in a women’s underwear (due to movement and type of material) and ends up in her vagina as it travels through the material and up the vaginal canal, especially if she’s wearing a thong. And this happens everyday, all day to all women. And your theory that assholes bleed every time is erroneous as well. If you are well lubed and your partner goes at a pace that allows the sphincter to stretch to the girth, you can enjoy anal sex without bleeding whatsoever. You can also enjoy it relatively cleanly if you use an enema or suppositories prior to sexual intercourse or if it’s done regularly (there are some new products on the market that say you can use an enema everyday…haven’t tried it but I’ve heard they’re quite good). In short, vaginas and assholes can be either clean or dirty…depends on how you take care of it. Sounds to me like you don’t know how to have good anal sex, which is a shame. And, if all else fails, there is something I like to call a “shower.” Works wonders to clean you up.
Chad Hunt
@Cam: …. Dude u keep changing my words I never said my opinion is we disagreed. Disagreement is a fact u either do or you dont it is not an opinion.
By the way here is the correct dictionary terms:
judg·ment [juhj-muh?nt] Show IPA
noun
1.
an act or instance of judging.
2.
the ability to judge, make a decision, or form an opinion objectively, authoritatively, and wisely, especially in matters affecting action; good sense; discretion: a man of sound judgment.
3.
the demonstration or exercise of such ability or capacity: The major was decorated for the judgment he showed under fire.
4.
the forming of an opinion, estimate, notion, or conclusion, as from circumstances presented to the mind: Our judgment as to the cause of his failure must rest on the evidence.
5.
the opinion formed: He regretted his hasty judgment.
judge [?juhj] Show IPA noun, verb, judged, judg·ing.
noun
verb (used with object)
6.
to pass legal judgment on; pass sentence on (a person): The court judged him guilty.
7.
to hear evidence or legal arguments in (a case) in order to pass judgment; adjudicate; try: The Supreme Court is judging that case.
8.
to form a judgment or opinion of; decide upon critically: You can’t judge a book by its cover.
9.
to decide or settle authoritatively; adjudge: The censor judged the book obscene and forbade its sale.
10.
to infer, think, or hold as an opinion; conclude about or assess: He judged her to be correct.
judg·men·tal [?juhj-men-tl] Show IPA
adjective
1.
involving the use or exercise of judgment.
2.
tending to make moral judgments: to avoid a judgmental approach in dealing with divorced couples.
Now … first of all if u go to the original source of what I said I never even use the word Judge, judgement, or judgmental. I say I didn’t condemn Josh because of our disagreement. (Quote) “I may not have agreed with Josh’s choice of doing bareback videos but the choice was his to make and I surely have done enough things in my life to never condemn the actions of another.”
It was u and theothergreg who first said i was being judgmental or judging josh and i will again point out in my original text there is no instance of me judging or being judgmental.
It was the 2 of you who started the argument. Not I. Finally as has been stated all of this back and forth banter is pointless because the 2 of you obviously from the start were just looking to have someone pay attention to you by arguing with me and trying to put words in my mouth or saying i was doing something other than what my original post suggests.
I made a simple statement saying i would miss my friend, we disagreed on an issue but that was no reason for people to bad mouth him or say cruel things about someone who has passed away. End of story
I am however over and tired of this conversation. I like to think of an old chinese proverb in these instances.
“No matter how the wind howls (cam and theothergreg), the mountain (me) can not bow down to it.” You can say you are right all u want but the truth is in all of the text starting from the original.
Good luck … and on a final note
R.I.P. Josh U will be missed.
the other Greg
For some reason, Chad wants us all to know that he has no judgment. 🙂
“Oh. and I do know what ultimately ended Josh’s life but it is not my place to discuss it on the internet.”
Let me guess – stuck a fork in the toaster?
@Matt: @DanteL: Ewww, vaginas! Heh heh, B+ for trolling, Dante/Matt. But I’m surprised you (singular) didn’t think of the obvious troll name for yourself. You could have pretended to be Chad’s bisexual brother Mike Hunt… get it?… heh heh heh.
the other Greg
My main concern in writing here was Chad’s dangerous and absurd HIV “advice.”
But on reflection, I think I was wrong to say bareback porn performers set a bad example for viewers (Chad actually agreed with that). I suppose most porn viewers are not having any sex.
Porn is for losers who can’t get laid, so I figure that about 15% of gay guys are watching 99% of gay porn, and they’re sitting at home whacking off with the “death grip” 24/7. (Well I shouldn’t exaggerate, it’s more like “16/7,” they gotta sleep sometime.) Sex is a theoretical concept on the screen to them, and that’s kind of sad. But considered strictly in HIV-prevention terms, nobody is a threat to them and they aren’t a threat to anyone.
Barebacking is still a danger to the porn performers themselves, obviously.
Chad Hunt
@the other Greg: … and here is exactly the monster showing his true colors … (Quoting Him) “Porn is for losers who cant get laid.” Really dude, your idiocy knows no bounds. Then saying I gave bad and dangerous HIV advice … Really, where do I give any bad or dangerous HIV advice to anyone?
Obviously by making these comments u are just seeking more attention and for more people to post/respond to you or for me to continue to. I hope people have finally caught on and see you for who and what you are. Say what u want dude, about me or whatever, u have shown your true colors.
Sure u still want to defend this guy Cam and jump on his band wagon? Although, quite frankly, I suspect Cam and theothergreg are the same person posting on different accounts.
Chad Hunt
@the other Greg: … Oh, and you saying I want people to know I have no judgment is just as absurd as u saying Porn is for losers who cant get laid.
You and Cam were the ones who attacked me continuously saying I was Judging Josh. All I did was defend myself at your and his repetitive attacks.
Chad Hunt
Quite Frankly … I think I have given both Cam and theothergreg to much of my time and energy.
Now Cam wants to debate whether disagreement is fact or opinion (it is a FACT u either do or do not disagree) … I’d say to look up those words in the dictionary but we have all seen where that leads to. (I wonder if Cam is a Republican they love to debate that facts are opinions. ex. Global warming isn’t real)
Now theothergreg is trying to goad me into more posts by saying I have given bad HIV advice, i want people to know i have no judgments, and Porn is for losers who cant get laid. (Really, come on now, read my posts. Starting with #10 and decide for yourself if any of that is true.)
This is childish. My problem is I am a Teacher by profession, I haven’t done Porn in at least 5 years, and as a teacher we try to educate no matter how many times students get things wrong. We even break things down in simple terms to students to help them. (Red Glass, Blue Glass, Fact, Opinion) We even change tactics to educate or come at things from other angles. (Send back to original text to reexamine, provide definitions, etc.) Sometimes, however, even teachers must face their worst nightmare. SOME PEOPLE JUST CANT BE TAUGHT OR JUST DON’T WANT TO BE. (Creationism vs Evolution)
Matt
@DanteL: Dull? lol You must watch way too much porn. There are many wonderful and intimate things that two men can do that doesn’t involve fecal matter and infecting one another. And you are very wrong. Every time an anus is penetrated it causes tiny bleeds. Bleeds you can’t even see which is why gay men practicing anal are so susceptible to HIV and STD’s. It’s called “invisible to the naked eye”. Please educate yourself. I pity so many of you.
And there is no such thing as good anal sex. Every once in a while my guy and I will watch some anal porn and always laugh hysterically at the bottoms. They’re just like women. The positions they get into, legs up in the air, on their side, their facial expressions, their vocals, and attempting to ride a guy the way a woman does, swiveling their hips about. lol
If anal was so great this wouldn’t be happening thirty years into the AIDS crisis.
http://www.advocate.com/health/health-news/2012/12/19/cdc-reports-22-percent-increase-hiv-among-young-gay-men
Cam
@Chad Hunt: said…
“@Cam: …. Dude u keep changing my words I never said my opinion is we disagreed”
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You are a liar. I cut and pasted your exact words from post #10. In the 6th section down on that post. Those words were. “I may not have agreed with Josh’s choice of doing bareback videos but the choice was his to make”
That proved you were contradicting yourself and changing your story. I never changed your words, you just couldn’t defend what you said as far as your claim of non-judgement.
You have now not only been proven to be ignorant but a liar who will try to change his story in order to avoid admitting he was wrong.
What a sad sad person.
Chad Hunt
Why must people always try to degrade men who bottom as women.
It’s sad that gay men put each other down in so many ways.
Chad Hunt
@Cam: Hey idiot, try posting the rest of the quote from that same statement instead of cutting half of it off. I posted the exact quote and will post it here again. All people have to do is read my original post to see which of us is the liar. Here is my exact quote from my first post. comment #10 ….
“I may not have agreed with Josh’s choice of doing bareback videos but the choice was his to make and I surely have done enough things in my life to never condemn the actions of another.”
That is the exact quote.
Chad Hunt
@Cam: I have never once changed my story. This is how pathetic you are. You and theothergreg say that quote is me being judgmental of Josh. I have continued to only say no it was not a judgmental statement. Exactly how have i changed my story in any way. You say I was judging being judgmental of Josh by this statement … (full quoted comment by me from comment #10)
“I may not have agreed with Josh’s choice of doing bareback videos but the choice was his to make and I surely have done enough things in my life to never condemn the actions of another.”
I have only continued to say I was not judging or being judgmental by that statement. Please explain exactly where I have ever changed my story.
Moron …
Chad Hunt
Point Being: You can not point out by my statement where I was judging or being judgmental of Josh by my statement nor will u be able to point out where I have ever changed my story that I wasn’t being judgmental.
WHY?
BECAUSE … (quoted text) “I may not have agreed with Josh’s choice of doing bareback videos but the choice was his to make and I surely have done enough things in my life to never condemn the actions of another.”
IS NOT AN INSTANCE OF ME JUDGING JOSH OR BEING JUDGMENTAL.
NOR HAVE I EVER CHANGED MY STORY FROM SAYING I WASN’T JUDGING OR BEING JUDGMENTAL IN THAT STATEMENT.
SHEESH … IDIOT
Chad Hunt
@Cam:
SO … WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED … APPARENTLY NOTHING …
LETS TRY ONCE AGAIN …
You keep saying I was judging and/or being judgmental of Josh by this statement.
(quoted text) “I may not have agreed with Josh’s choice of doing bareback videos but the choice was his to make and I surely have done enough things in my life to never condemn the actions of another.”
You say the proof I was judging or being judgmental is because my statement was a statement of opinion. You use the definition portion of judgment/judgmental where it speaks of opinion as proof.
THIS IS WHY YOU ARE WRONG MORON:
MY STATEMENT IS A STATEMENT OF FACT NOT A STATEMENT OF OPINION.
ME AND JOSH DISAGREED … THIS IS A FACT … IT IS NOT AN OPINION THAT WE DISAGREED IT IS A FACT THAT WE DISAGREED.
THEREFORE: YOUR USE OF THE DEFINITION QUOTING OPINIONS IS NULL AND VOID. I NEVER MADE A STATEMENT OF OPINION I MADE A STATEMENT OF FACT.
EXAMPLE … Chad does not agree with Cam that he is judging or being judgmental of Josh (STATEMENT OF FACT)
EXAMPLE … Chad thinks Cam is an idiot for disagreeing with him on whether or not Chad was judging or being judgmental of Josh. (STATEMENT OF OPINION) although u make a good case for it to be a fact. LOLOLOL
I’m done trying to educate this idiot. Someone else want to give it a go …. LOLOLOL
Chad Hunt
Quite Frankly … I could even be crueler to Cam and point out my initial statement uses this terminology …. “I may not have agreed …” which lends itself to the fact that I MAY HAVE AGREED. I don’t say FOR SURE if I agreed or not I used the terminology MAY NOT HAVE.
Cam made the assumption by me saying I may not have that I for sure did not.
I know it takes a lil more intelligence then Cam has exhibited here to grasp that concept so I left it lie.
Then Cam wrongly decides that disagreement is an opinion and not a fact. Sorry again Cam but your wrong there also.
From here Cam makes another assumption to give my supposed opinion a negative connotation.
I’ve tried not to point most of these things out so Cam could save some face and simply say … Opps, I misread what you wrote … but NO, he keeps pushing it further making me less and less tolerable of his assumptions and idiocy.
Also because quite frankly his first assumption that we did indeed, for sure, disagree was correct. However by my statement Cam could not have been sure of that.
LOLOLOLOL
The second and third leaps he makes from my statement are wrong and I can no longer abide his idiocy though I tried and tried to let him save some face by just admitting he either misread or just didn’t understand the meaning of my words.
Cam
@Chad Hunt: said….
“Quite Frankly … I could even be crueler to Cam and point out my initial statement uses this terminology …. “I may not have agreed …” which lends itself to the fact that I MAY HAVE AGREED. I don’t say FOR SURE if I agreed or not I used the terminology MAY NOT HAVE.
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No, this is just another attempt to lie and alter facts. This is what you said, and in the context of the sentence your meaning was clear.
“I may not have agreed with Josh’s choice of doing bareback videos but the choice was his to make”
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The sad part about this is your longer and longer desperate rambles attempting to first deny facts and reality, then when that no longer worked an attempt to claim that you did not say what you in fact said.
The saddest part is the desperation of somebody who writes “LOLOLOLOLO” as if what is being said doesn’t concern them at all. Sorry but nobody who has typed as much as you on here can pretend that is the case.
I believe I understand why you went into your line of work. Your inability to face reality, facts, and these weird desperate alterations and stories would never work in an actual working environment. Apparently you think that inventing facts, and altering history to inflate your position is normal, and outside of a drunken conversation that isn’t the case.
Your postings here have gone from incorrect and then flat out wrong to just embarrassing and sad.
Chad Hunt
@Cam:
Umm … hey Cam,
U notice no one is agreeing with u right?
Especially when u continue to cut off half my sentence and claim what i said was ….. when all they have to do is go to comment #10 themselves to see the full sentence.
I am laughing because of all the people emailing me saying what a moron you are and I should just let u believe your delusions. I laugh because your arguments are laughable. I laugh because if I don’t laugh at how stupid you are being then I would just have to feel sorry for you.
DanteL
@the other Greg: I think it’s time for your medication. I have made no mention whatsoever whether I agree with Chad Hunt so why you’d assume that I’m talking about him is strange (of course reading comprehension doesn’t seem to be a strong suit for you either so I may have just answered my own question). I think whether someone chooses to engage in anal sex (and how) is a personal choice. If he’s not fucking you why does it become so personal for you? Everyone has to live with consequences no matter which road they take. All you can do is educate and hope people make the best decisions for themselves. I’m not going to debate the life of some gay porno dude because I don’t know a fucking thing about him and his choices were his choices. Not mine. Not my boyfriend’s. Not my friends. And why the fuck do you care if someone watches porn? What business is it of yours? We rant and rave about breeders coming into our bedrooms but yet we can’t help ourselves and make a big deal if someone chooses to watch porn and them make a certifiably untrue statement about those who do never having sex. Really? If you don’t like porn, that’s fine but don’t make some toolish declaration about people who do that’s not even remotely true. I know a lot of couples (and single folks) who watch porn (and enjoy it) and they have lots of sex so stop pulling things out of your ass. And for the record, I don’t watch porn. Most of the men are not attractive to me and I can’t get past the environment. It just makes me laugh and I tend to focus more on the fact that the soap is not coming off that body with the water pressure in those showers. I also happen to know a lot about vaginas and asses because I’m in the medical profession. I can also read which helps too. And I don’t know Matt from a hole in the ground and we are certainly not the same person. I love sex and Matt doesn’t because of his paranoia about being dirty and HIV/AIDS (which I find weird and depressing for him). So A+ for making an ass out of yourself.
Chad Hunt
No, this is just another attempt to lie and alter facts. This is what you said, and in the context of the sentence your meaning was clear.
“I may not have agreed with Josh’s choice of doing bareback videos but the choice was his to make”
Well you are right about one thing… The context and meaning of my sentence is clear to anyone who has any intelligence. The fact that you keep getting it wrong is why it is funny and laughable. oh and again the rest of the sentence is still cut off…
“I may not have agreed with Josh’s choice of doing bareback videos but the choice was his to make and I surely have done enough things in my life to never condemn the actions of another.”
All one sentence Cam u can’t edit the text and think people wont notice, nor can u alter it’s meaning to suit your needs.
the other Greg
@DanteL: Oh dear, apparently the humor went over your head.
@Cam: Wow – I wondered what I’d find here when I got back from work. Thanks for keeping up the fort.
“‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'”
I don’t know which is weirder: getting HIV advice from a porn star, or being accused by a porn star of “seeking attention.”
Oddly, Chad couldn’t bring himself to give HIV advice to his real-life friend Josh – because that would have been “judgmental” – yet he has no trouble inflicting all kinds of absurd advice on strangers in cyberspace. Somehow the latter is not “judgmental,” go figure.
The “cognitive dissonance” is funny because for some reason Chad thinks being “judgmental” is a horrible awful thing, while most people see nothing wrong with being judgmental, per se (it depends what the judgment is).
Getting HIV-prevention advice from a porn star is like getting financial advice from the Greek government… or dog training from Michael Vick… or marriage counseling from John Edwards… or singing lessons from Lucy Ricardo… etc.
Chad Hunt
@DanteL:
Dante … don’t argue with him it just fuels the craziness. If nothing else u should realize that from the non sense I’m engaged in. LOLOLOLOL
DanteL
@Matt: I am educated sir (in healthcare) and I have worked in the healthcare profession. So, you know, I kind of know what I’m talking about and am not using the paralyzing fear of HIV/AIDS to keep me from having a healthy sex life because I know ass and I know how to take care of it. Asses do not always bleed when stretched (whether it’s penetration or taking a shit). Anal tissue is designed to stretch…it’s why it’s so thin. And it’s why we’re biologically designed to use that hole to shit from. We also have things in Proctology that we use called microscopes and that magnifies stuff that we couldn’t see with the naked eye. Ever given a stool sample for anything? If you had blood in your stool (regardless of whether you were a gay man or not) that would start a conversation with your doctor. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard the phrase “no blood in your stool so we’re okay there.” You know why? Because asses don’t always bleed when stretched. Let’s talk about colonoscopies. When we do colonoscopies we can actually see magnified images of a person’s anal cavity and, if there were blood in the cavity even in remote amounts, that would be cause to have a conversation with a patient and to figure out why there is blood. If an ass bled every time it stretched, you’d see that in fecal material (under the microscope). And you can’t always…because asses don’t always bleed. If that were the case, we’d have a lot more people freaking out when they take a shit. There are lots of fun things to do whether it’s penetration or not and you’re missing a huge spectrum of it because of your paranoia about HIV/AIDS and being dirty. Also, watching pornography and then using that lens to say “anal sex is gross” is just plain weird and unhealthy. Porn is not real life. They make faces and noise like that because they’re paid to do it. You don’t have to make noise or faces unless that’s your natural disposition. You need to get some counseling to get over your weird phobia about sex in general.
Chad Hunt
@the other Greg:
and here we are with more crazy dragging me into something…
Exactly how does “theothergreg” know what advice I may or may not have given Josh in life.
TheOtherGreg and Cam … (who always seem to post at the same time I might ad) … seem to have these crystal balls where they know the ins and outs of everyones life and what they have done, or said, or died from, or meant in a sentence, or what their opinions are …. LOLOLOLOLOL
The craziness persists.
Chad Hunt
@DanteL:
You are trying to do the same thing as me … Educate the crazies.
Let me know if u fare any better at it then I have been. LOLOLOLOL
the other Greg
@Chad Hunt: Okay, did you tell him the advice you told strangers in comment #10? – that they should wait to have “natural sex” within a “committed relationship” (with the cameras rolling, in Josh’s case?).
If you didn’t tell him that, evidently you’re only a busybody with total strangers and not with anyone you actually know.
DanteL
@the other Greg: Wow…and to think I always found folks like John Stewart, Colbert and Louie C.K. funny and full of humor. I guess I really should’ve been on Queerty reading your comments. Then I’d be full of chuckles.
@Chad Hunt: Well noted. But I can’t help myself. It’s like looking at a train wreck. You know you should just glance quickly and move on but you rubberneck. I’ve actually lost track of what you and Cam/the other Greg are arguing about…is it the definition of the words opinion or judgement or whether barebacking is okay in porn or the fact that you were friends with Josh or you’re in porn or that he did porn or that nobody really knows what led to his complications from HIV/AIDS? I do think it’s somewhat weird though equating porn to HIV/AIDS when the ratio of HIV transmission among porn stars is much lower than that of the general population due to the stringent testing requirements and documentation involved in even making a movie (at least here in the States). I guess that’s why I’m somewhat confused by all this. Again, I’ve not read all of this so maybe that’s why I’m “huh?” about the whole thing.
Chad Hunt
@the other Greg:
What I have or have not discussed with my friends is none of your business. I love how u just keep attacking me for shit u have no clue about.
My feelings on bareback sex, natural sex, bareback videos, safer sex videos, straight videos are very well known with my friends and pretty well known by anyone who reads porn blogs, or interviews or watched the HBO documentaries I was in or magazine articles or books, or Sex Tv from Canada or Real Sex episodes or various other media outlets.
The more desperate u and Cam are to argue with people about things u don’t even know or make up is sad.
the other Greg
@DanteL: “the ratio of HIV transmission among porn stars is much lower than that of the general population due to the stringent testing requirements and documentation involved in even making a movie (at least here in the States).”
Oh come on. Citation please.
Maybe Chad is going to tell us Josh got HIV from a toilet seat or something. He’s already * hinted darkly * that he knows the *real * reason for Josh’s death (after not even noticing what the article above here actually says about it).
Anyway, Dante, why are you here if you have no idea what’s going on?
the other Greg
@Chad Hunt: “My feelings on bareback sex, natural sex, bareback videos, safer sex videos, straight videos are very well known with my friends and pretty well known by anyone who reads porn blogs…” etc.
Then please leave your idiotic, dangerous opinions THERE with those fucking morons and refrain from inflicting them on normal rational people.
Chad Hunt
@DanteL:
My issues with “theothergreg” are whatever nonsense he throws my way … like him just saying… funny how I never gave Josh advice in life. (Like he knows every conversation me and Josh ever had)
My issues with Cam seems to be about this statement I made in comment #10 …
“I may not have agreed with Josh’s choice of doing bareback videos but the choice was his to make and I surely have done enough things in my life to never condemn the actions of another.”
He says that commit is me making a judgmental statement about Josh or him doing bareback videos. That i state an opinion which therefore is a judgment.
I contend that saying I disagree with someone is just a statement of fact. U either do or do not agree (Fact). That is not an opinion.
Of course u can see the craziness that has ensued and I am like u it’s a train wreck that I just cant walk away from.
You are in the medical field u have said so I know u feel compelled to educate. I am a High School Teacher by trade so obviously I have the same compulsion.
LOLOLOL
Chad Hunt
@the other Greg:
Please give an example of any dangerous or idiotic advice I have given.
Chad Hunt
@the other Greg: Wait please tell me you are not including yourself or that other personality you write with (Cam) as normal or rational. LOLOLOLOLOLOL
the other Greg
@Chad Hunt: Comment #10 in its entirety!
Chad Hunt
@the other Greg: Facts Please … Not opinions. Nothing I said is wrong or dangerous and u know it which is why u refuse to say anything other than… IT JUST IS ….
DanteL
@the other Greg: Reading comprehension…again not your strong suit. I wasn’t talking to you in the 1st place Greg. And I weighed in early on with the back and forth about definitions of words and haven’t read anything since. I haven’t talked to Chad Hunt until now either so I have no reason to wade through all those posts. I was talking to Matt. So that’s why I’m here. I was reading HIS posts. And can’t you Google or read? Nevermind. I answered my own question.
You can check out a story here (it has lot of stuff I like to call facts and statistics and stuff): http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/06/health/unlikely-model-for-hiv-prevention-porn-industry.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Chad Hunt
@DanteL:
Apparently according to “theothergreg” … Me saying that if two people engage in natural condomless sex the only safe way to do this is in a committed relationship where no partner strays from the commitment and who have been tested and share their test results with each other is dangerous.
But like I said … this bitch is crazy
Chad Hunt
@DanteL: LOLOLOL @ reading Comprehension …. That’s exactly what I have been saying this whole time. CAM and THEOTHERGREG seem to be very lacking in reading comprehension.
Forget the fact that I’m almost positive by their attack styles, words used, and lack of comprehension, that they are the same person.
I’m beggining to suspect that they may be either a tween or teenager with not much life knowledge or experience.
the other Greg
@Chad Hunt: It’s pretty common for someone to THINK they are in a monogamous relationship. But it turns out to their surprise, their partner had other ideas. And then maybe your “natural sex” stuff results in both of them getting infected with HIV.
Anyway, why did you bring up the “natural sex” stuff at all in THIS thread? It obviously had nothing to do with Josh’s situation, unless you’re telling us a hard-working porn star is really in a position to only fuck (on camera) with guys he’s in a committed relationship with?
Chad Hunt
Oh … and I can attest to the fact that in the straight porn industry … AIM requires everyone to be tested a day or two before the shoot and in many cases the day of the shoot. This is mainly do to the fact that 99% of straight videos are natural or bareback sex.
The gay porn industry is very different. Many of the internet companies require testing unless they are a bareback company. The brick and mortar companies that require condom use do not require testing. That is why they are considered safer sex videos not safe sex videos. Of course the bareback companies usually do not require testing because it is assumed most or all of the models already are infected with HIV.
Chad Hunt
Oh … and I can attest to the fact that in the straight porn industry … AIM requires everyone to be tested a day or two before the shoot and in many cases the day of the shoot. This is mainly do to the fact that 99% of straight videos are natural or bareback sex.
The gay porn industry is very different. Many of the internet companies require testing unless they are a bareback company. The brick and mortar companies that require condom use do not require testing. That is why they are considered safer sex videos not safe sex videos. Of course the bareback companies usually do not require testing because it is assumed most or all of the models already are infected with HIV.
Again the rules vary from company to company and from country to country where the videos are shot.
the other Greg
@DanteL: Thanks for the citation. I’m surprised. Although that would leave the mystery of how Josh got it, or why Queerty runs an article about a deceased HIV+ gay porn actor every couple of months.
But as I said earlier, I’m no longer particularly worried about the porn addicts (including Chad’s followers) because I’m pretty sure most of them are celibate!
DanteL
@Chad Hunt: Hmmmm….a play on words. Not sure if you’ll agree with my interpretation but here goes. There are many different definitions of judgment and some of them, frankly, are internal. Whether or not someone is being judged or judging someone else is wholly and completely subjective because it’s such an internal thing (except for when you make it super public). One of the definitions of judgment is: “the forming of an opinion, estimate, notion, or conclusion, as from circumstances presented to the mind.” So an opinion can, technically, be a judgment. However, your statement doesn’t necessarily mean you’re judging him. And here’s why. The 1st part could be seen as a judgment: “I may not have agreed with Josh’s choice of doing bareback videos…” But I think the rest of your statement clearly illustrates the point I’m getting ready to make: “…but the choice was his to make and I surely have done enough things in my life to never condemn the actions of another.” When you acknowledge choice, it’s hard to then bring in the idea that you’re judging someone (again…it’s internal…maybe you really did condemn it but how are we to truly know that). The judgment is not really about Josh at all…it’s about your own actions in relation to his. Not agreeing is not the same as judgment. I have friends who smoke weed. I don’t agree with it but it doesn’t have anything to do with them. It’s about me. I don’t smoke and have no desire to smoke. So not agreeing is not about judging. Judging would be if I viewed them as wastes of space or criminals or pot heads or any other stereotype that I can think of in relation to folks who smoke pot or if I viewed smoking pot as fundamentally wrong. But I don’t view them like and I don’t view it as fundamentally wrong….I just don’t do it for myself because it’s wrong for me. It’s really about semantics I guess. I can see where they might feel you did judge Josh on some level but you’re really the only person who knows whether you did or not and the last half of your statement kind of says you didn’t.
the other Greg
@Chad Hunt: “Of course the bareback companies usually do not require testing because it is assumed most or all of the models already are infected with HIV.”
Ugh. I need a drink after reading that sentence, prefaced with an “OF COURSE.” Good grief.
Chad Hunt
@the other Greg:
I’m sure it does happen. It doesn’t change the fact that if neither had strayed they would have been fine. Obviously u have to be in a trusting relationship where u and your partner are honest with each other.
The reason I broached the subject was to offer an alternative to how people are currently engaging in bareback sex.
Did you know that bareback sex videos sell more than double what a video with condoms will.
Many people go out and seek HIV (called bug chasers) so they no longer have to fear catching HIV and can then have bareback sex. (This is a myth two HIV+ people should not engage in unprotected sex either because of varying strains, strengths, reinfections, or super infections)
DanteL
@the other Greg: You’re welcome. I don’t just pull things out of my ass (not on here anyway). It is surprising but in some ways it’s not. One of the biggest issues with general population versus porn actors is testing. Porn actors get tested all the time and the general population just doesn’t (for a number of reasons). So even when porn folks are infected, it’s caught very early and it keeps it from spreading (at least spreading in a large way) which is not the case in the general population. There are all kinds of infected people walking around and they don’t know it and they refuse to know it. Porn actors, in one way or the other, know they have HIV. I would like to see the porn industry become much more stringent in terms of overall STD testing…they’ve done a great job with HIV but they are still not as great as they could be when it comes to other STDs. And they need to be more stringent about testing actors who choose to work overseas. There is room for improvement there. I will also say that just because someone is a porn actor doesn’t mean they got HIV because of it. Some of these folks you’re seeing who are dying of HIV/AIDS may have, in fact, gotten the disease not as a porn star but as someone who has sex. I believe that most of the cases of adult film actors getting HIV were due to unhealthy and unsafe sexual practices in their personal life, not due to pornography or the act of filming it. Porn (in a weird way) may have saved their life due to the testing (catch it early, medicate and get on with life). I will say that I enjoy having debates here because it forces you to research things. So thanks for that. No hard feelings really.
Chad Hunt
@DanteL: … U exactly nailed everything that all of my posts have been saying.
the other Greg
@DanteL: You don’t get it. Why would it have been wrong if Chad HAD judged Josh? Maybe he should have. Maybe Josh even wanted him to.
And considering how it played out – Josh’s DEATH – it seems to me that Chad’s prissy refusal to judge Josh was morally repugnant.
Chad Hunt
@DanteL:
Cam assumed that by disagreeing i formed an opinion and therefore made a judgment, but as u said just because i disagreed does not mean i had formed one and clearly the rest of my statement reiterates the fact that I did not.
The whole thing has been crazy and based on what Cam assumed he knew. (Like I said before him and greg seem to have this crystal ball that knows everything about everyone else and their lives) LOLOL
Chad Hunt
@the other Greg:
No, what is morally repugnant is forcing your morals down anothers throat.
Chad Hunt
@the other Greg:
It’s wrong because it is not my place to decide for Josh what is or is not right for him to do with his own life or his own body.
Just like I may disagree with a woman who gets an abortion but it is not my place to decide what she should do with her own body.
However when it comes to abortion I will say this our laws are also wrong. When a woman engages in a sexual act with a man she enters into a social contract to accept the responsibility of what may transpire because of commiting the sexual act. The choice of abortion in cases of consensual sex should be based by both the father and mother.
Why should a woman have sole choice of killing my child when she willing engaged in sex with me. Or why should a man have to pay child support because a woman has chosen to keep a baby he never wanted. In both cases the man is fucked.
the other Greg
@Chad Hunt: Yeah, got it – why care if your friend dies, as long as nobody can accuse you of making a “judgment.” Thanks for revealing the secret of what exactly killed Josh. You did.
Chad Hunt
Many people would judge the fact that a person is morally repugnant simply because they are gay. In fact many people believe gay people should be put to death. (Point of fact in many countries that indeed is the law)
Just because u or I find something morally repugnant does not mean that it is, nor does it mean that everyone else would find it so.
DanteL
anywhere in my post, that it would’ve been wrong if Chad had judged Josh. I don’t know their relationship and I don’t know their friendship so I don’t know if it would’ve been right or wrong but since this friendship is Chad’s, not yours, he has the right not to condemn his friend. And how dare you talk about moral repugnancy when you have absolutely no idea what these two talked about in private. You’re assuming that because Chad didn’t condemn Josh that he never talked with him about it, which is fucking idiotic. Josh’s death was his own and Chad had nothing to do with it. Josh’s choices…Josh’s death (for whatever reason). Judging someone does not stop their behavior if they’re intent on doing it. All it does is break down a line of communication to that person. That’s all it does. Chad could’ve screamed and hollered and judged him and threw him out of his life but that wouldn’t have necessarily changed Josh’s fate because everyone makes choices. And for you to start assuming that you know what Josh would’ve wanted (“Maybe Josh even wanted him to) is getting into crazypants territory. You did not know this man at all and now you’re going to assume to know his thoughts or how he might’ve liked his friend to view him? Are you serious? If your insane behavior and lack of logic in thought patterns is indicative of how you are as a friend, god help your friends.
Chad Hunt
@the other Greg:
and here we are back to craziness …
DanteL
@Chad Hunt: This is not the time or place for abortion talk.
Chad Hunt
@DanteL:
I’m telling u this is a tween or teenager we have been debating. He just does not have life experiences or has not been provided good examples of in his home environment.
Chad Hunt
@DanteL: True … but as I suspect this person does not understand morals or the lack thereof. Throwing examples at him may be the best way to get him to understand how judging another person or judging another persons life is not what people should do.
Chad Hunt
Let me throw out another less controversial issue for you greg.
I may not agree with peoples parenting style of spanking their children but it is not my place to judge them as good or bad parents
DanteL
@DanteL: As a former health professional, I disagree with you mightily about abortion and relating that to some high-minded ideal of morals. That has much more to do with healthcare than morals. As for Greg being a tween or teenager, I don’t know. I just think he has a very black/white view of the world. I hope for his sake that his life is clean and squeaky less his arguments be for not.
I will say that being in bed all day sick w/ only my laptop has been….interesting. But it’s time to disengage. Boyfriend is here with some drugs and soup and he’s okay with my epic snotting. See you.
Chad Hunt
@DanteL:
I used abortion as an example because for most people it does become a moral issue. I was trying to throw examples at him which could show how judging someone or judging someone else’s life is not what people should do to other person.
Chad Hunt
I am also done for the day. I have spent way to much time on here as is.
Cam
@Chad Hunt: said…
“Umm … hey Cam,
U notice no one is agreeing with u right?
Especially when u continue to cut off half my sentence and claim what i said was ….. when all they have to do is go to comment #10 themselves to see the full sentence.
I am laughing because of all the people emailing me saying what a moron you are and I should just let u believe your delusions. I laugh because your arguments are laughable. I laugh because if I don’t laugh at how stupid you are being then I would just have to feel sorry for you.
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1. What a sad commentary on your statements, when you can’t argue the facts, so then you try some little 3rd grade playground like like “Oh gee, nobody agrees with you and THEY are all writing and saying nasty things about you.” So you can’t even admit you made a judgement and now you can’t even admit that it is YOU who want to say them.
2. Again, what a sad life you must live when, facts don’t seem to be the issue for you, it’s the fact that you think that saying to me that OTHER people disagree with me. I”m sorry, I don’t live in your world where my life turns on some rumor that some other person might not like what I’ve said or done.
3. Nice try, but nobody is shy on this blog, they would be posting if that was the case.
4. Lastly, nice to see that you don’t take your self too seriously….I mean posting 50 comments in an hour or two…..no, that’s stable.
5. The fact is, you were busted being judgmental, tried to change the meaning of the word. Then you were busted trying to lie and say you had never typed something you had, and now you were busted lying again. Deal with it. Still, it is a sad world you live in. Unable to admit a simple mistake, thinking that some childish comment about other people is relevant rather than facts, etc… again, I understand why you went into the type of job you did. You really could not function in an outside business environment with your obvious issues.
Matt
@DanteL: Your butt was designed to pass a stool. That’s it. The sphincter is designed to keep things out. Yes, you can stretch a butt but you can stretch any part of the body. That doesn’t make it healthy. The lining of the rectum is as thin as an onion skin. It’s gets damaged when anything penetrates it, capillaries burst. Again, you can’t always see it.
Did you ever wonder why HIV rates are going up for gay men but not for straight people? Buttsecks is gross and it has nothing to do with AIDS paranoia. The anus is filthy, dirty and smelly. You’re an old gay stereotype from the 70’s who thinks gay sex is buttsecks. It kind of sucks being you.
Gay men who don’t engage in anal aren’t the ones driving up the HIV/AIDS epidemic. Face it. It’s people like you who give gays a bad name. We’re not all fudgepacking coprophilia deviants.
http://www.southfloridagaynews.com/news/spirit-hiv-aids-news/8418-hiv-cases-among-young-gay-men-increase-22-cdc-reports.html
the other Greg
@Matt: I think you overstate the case, but (butt!)… to an extent, I agree with you. My boyfriend and I think anal sex is vastly overrated. And it IS inherently dangerous. It CAN feel good but (butt) it must be treated with great caution. This is not particularly a “judgment” but we don’t understand the equation of getting one’s d*ck sh*tty with gay sex in general. You’re onto something in saying that’s an old-fashioned 1970s concept.
@Cam: I’m definitely not you! You’re a better writer than I am, and I could have never done what you did with all that “definition” stuff. Bravo.
I’m over 50 (as often stated in my 700+ comments) so it’s actually a bit flattering to be suspected of being a teenager. By someone who uses “u” all the time, ha ha. (I’m judgmental about that, as well as by Chad’s continual lack of punctuation. This forum is not a fucking cellphone! Although he is probably posting from one, I suppose.)
Chad says, “I have spent way to [sic] much time on here as is.” For once we are all in complete agreement!
the other Greg
“Of course, the bareback companies usually do not require testing because it is assumed most or all of the models already are infected with HIV.” (Chad quote)
Ugh. That sums it all up in one dirty, diseased, disgusting package – or non-package, to continue the non-condom metaphor.
“Did you know that bareback sex videos sell more than double what a video with condoms will.” Uh… so what? Yes, I understand that it’s a dirty, disgusting industry run by straight homophobes who want to make money off of killing gay men, all for the “benefit” of socially stunted losers who whack off at home. And sure, I get that Josh decided to bareback purely for financial reasons. (One hopes he didn’t waste time doing it off-camera for free. Seriously.)
And yet Chad has the sense to admit: “two HIV+ people should not engage in unprotected sex either because of varying strains, strengths, reinfections, or super infections.”
Reinfection, super-strains of HIV, eventual death. For the general public = bad. For performers in the bareback porn industry = que sera sera, let’s not be “judgmental.” This is Chad’s morality about his own FRIENDS!
Re: Chad’s bizarre examples: I’m judgmental about a woman’s RIGHT to have an abortion, as well as the sheer theoretical impracticality of throwing women in prison for having them. “Let me throw out another less [!] controversial issue for you greg. I may not agree with peoples parenting style of spanking their children but it is not my place to judge them as good or bad parents.” !!! – Well it’s MY place, I might be judgmental about that as might be Child Protective Services. (This may explain a lot: as a child Chad was maybe either beaten too much, or not disciplined at all?)
Chad wouldn’t do bareback on-screen because he thought it set a bad example for the public. But he thinks it’s fine to tell the public – in his friend’s death comment thread!, apropos of nothing – that it just “feels better” (quote) to fuck without a condom. The eternal rationalization of narcissistic selfish bastard tops.
To anyone still reading this who actually HAS a sex life: Don’t fall for it. If you’re on the bottom in anal sex it feels EXACTLY THE SAME! – with or without a condom. In fact, unfortunately, if the selfish bastard top takes the condom off, YOU can’t tell the difference. So make sure the guy puts a condom on and KEEPS IT ON. And okay okay okay, way way way down the road, maybe a year after you first meet, you might want to do that theoretical barebacking within tested-committed-relationship stuff. May you’ll be two of the lucky few in gay life who can do that.
Or maybe you’ll be even luckier than that, maybe you’ll fall in love with someone who’s HIV+ and re-think such juvenile assumptions and realize what’s important in life.
Spike
It’s the Chad Hunt comment section! All things Chad Hunt. Suggestion, google image search ‘chad hunt, gay porn’, it will put his ongoing rants here in much better prospective. Mind you I’m not judging, just offering what is out there for all to see as it involves the bigger picture and ones opinion.
Stache1
@Matt:
The only stereotype is YOU. Either another closet case or just someone with more issues then a magazine stand.
Sex is messy and sometimes even gross. Doesn’t matter whether your straight or gay. I just don’t go around judging and condemning people for it like you though.
Bareback is way more prevalent in straight videos btw. Not to mention butt sex is very popular too. Of coarse no complaints from you on that.
Chad Hunt
@Cam:
Sad … Sad … Sad … Ive tried to educate an ignorant bigoted moron to no avail. Of course Cam and theothergreg werte sort of right. Although I was definitely not judgmental of Josh and his life choices I have been extremely judgmental of idiotic, bigoted, moronic commenters like the two of them.
Chad Hunt
@the other Greg: … Wow the made up shit in that last comment of “theothergreg’s” is even beyond Ritt Money’s campaign made up shit.
Stache1
@Spike:
I havn’t read most of this post so I can’t comment on allot of it. However, when someone comes out with “Mind you I’m not judging ” it usually means that they most definitely are.
Chad Hunt
@the other Greg:
Let’s reply to this idiocy.
Quoted from #104 …
“Did you know that bareback sex videos sell more than double what a video with condoms will.” Uh… so what? Yes, I understand that it’s a dirty, disgusting industry run by straight homophobes who want to make money off of killing gay men, all for the “benefit” of socially stunted losers who whack off at home. (comment #104)
The “So What” is because obviously those type of videos are preferred by more people. That’s why they are made. My personal conviction of them being wrong does not mean I judge on another choice to do or not do them. Just as i do not personally agree with abortion but would never force my opinion on any woman who has to make that decision for themselves. Most bareback companies are not owned by straight bigoted homophobes but are mainly owned and operated by gay men.
“And yet Chad has the sense to admit: “two HIV+ people should not engage in unprotected sex either because of varying strains, strengths, reinfections, or super infections.”
Reinfection, super-strains of HIV, eventual death. For the general public = bad. For performers in the bareback porn industry = que sera sera, let’s not be “judgmental.” This is Chad’s morality about his own FRIENDS! (comment#104)
I never said we should not judge for ourselves what is right, improper or in poor taste but being judgmental of another’s life choices is just as bad as Christians or republicans judging Gay people in general as sick, demented, evil, or worthy of death. It is not my right to judge what u or another consenting adult do with your own bodies. I can only judge what is right for myself and what I do with my body.
The obvious exceptions being forced or coerced situations but Josh did nothing Ilegal.
“Re: Chad’s bizarre examples: I’m judgmental about a woman’s RIGHT to have an abortion, as well as the sheer theoretical impracticality of throwing women in prison for having them. “Let me throw out another less [!] controversial issue for you greg. I may not agree with peoples parenting style of spanking their children but it is not my place to judge them as good or bad parents.” !!! – Well it’s MY place, I might be judgmental about that as might be Child Protective Services. (This may explain a lot: as a child Chad was maybe either beaten too much, or not disciplined at all?)” (comment#104)
I never insinuated that women be put in jail. Where the moron got that is beyond me. Spanking does not equate to Child abuse if it is on the bottom and not done to an extreme degree. Spanking is legal. Abuse is illegal. Personally I do not beleive in any type of spanking but those who do are not necessarily bad parents. Not my place to judge them as either good or bad.
“Chad wouldn’t do bareback on-screen because he thought it set a bad example for the public. But he thinks it’s fine to tell the public – in his friend’s death comment thread!, apropos of nothing – that it just “feels better” (quote) to fuck without a condom. The eternal rationalization of narcissistic selfish bastard tops.” (comment 104)
Absolutely my personal opinion to not do bareback videos. I never said anywhere about it “feeling better.” Nor am I narcissistic selfish bastard top. In my personal life I am bisexual, when I do participate in homosexual sex outside of my video career i would be considered versatile depending on the situation and the person i am with. Of course, Cam and the other greg have made all types of assumptions about me, Josh, Dante, and other posters since this nonsense began.
SteveSE
@ the other Greg and Cam – A guy’s passed away. I’m not at all sure what you’re getting from your pedantic little posts on here but really just a little bit of respect for the dead wouldn’t go amiss.
Healthy debate is one thing, but what’s been going on here isn’t healthy and isn’t debate. Its just ugly behaviour. I’m assuming you are both grown adults and perhaps its time you started behaving as such. I’m not are whether you think you are being big, or clever, but bullying is neither. Its ugly, plain ugly.
So, if you haven’t got anything sensible to add to the debate, it might be best for everyone if you move on and fill your time with something more productive.
Back though to the story in hand, its very sad to hear that someone has died so young and my thoughts go out to Josh’s family and friends.
Matt
It’s a shame what’s going on. You guys keep spreading this horrible incurable disease.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/19/us-usa-health-hiv-idUSBRE8BI1GN20121219
“The number of new infections among young gay and bisexual men increased by 22 percent during that same two-year period, the CDC said…The report released on Wednesday said nearly two-thirds of new HIV infections in 2010 resulted from men having sex with other men. Young black men who have sex with men account for more new infections than any other subgroup, government health officials said.”
Stache1
@Matt:
Please go troll somewhere else.
Matt
@Stache1: Happy New Year to you, too. And hope you find a new trolling place.
Stache1
Might want to check the definition of a troll first. I believe it fits you to a tee…..
In Internet slang, a troll (pron.: /?tro?l/, /?tr?l/) is someone who posts inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
SteveSE
@Matt
I’m a little puzzled by your comments linked to the Reuters article on infection rates in the US.
You comment, “It’s a shame what’s going on. You guys keep spreading this horrible incurable disease”.
The article almost exclusively talks in percentage terms rather than absolutes, so there is no indication of actual numbers when it refers to four subject groups, African-American women, young gay and bisexual men, young people ages 13 to 24, and young black men.
The article states that “Public information campaigns on HIV prevention and testing seem to be working in lowering the number of new infections among African-American women ….”, apparently resulting in a 21% drop in infection rates.
Therefore the conclusion of the article you have directed us towards is that targeted education and awareness campaigns reduce infection rates. It also highlights that although seemingly very much needed, those effective campaigns are not being sufficiently directed towards young gay and bisexual men and young black men.
I appreciate you’re trying to make a point but you seem to have clumsily chosen an article that highlights that hard hitting effects of HIV of the African-American/black community with the comment, “You guys keep spreading this horrible incurable disease”.
Should probably think about what you’re doing a bit more in future.
Stache1
@SteveSE:
Because with him it’s hating/trolling first and then finding some justification for it 2nd. It shows how informed he really is though.
Chad Hunt
U can always tell the people who troll on the internet. They are the ones with hundreds of comments posted on sites. For instance … “Cam” (almost 500 comments), “theothergreg” (almost 700 comments) … It does no good to engage these people as has been evidenced here by me and others. The live to pull others into their insanity just as the description posted by “Stache1” suggests.
Cam
@Chad Hunt:
Can’t defend your comments so you just name call. That and the fact that you are still continually posting here pretty much prove my point.
But thanks for playing. Your door prize is low self esteem, oh wait, you already have that, well then, we’ll just have to find something else then won’t we?
Cam
@Chad Hunt: said… ”
U can always tell the people who troll on the internet. They are the ones with hundreds of comments posted on sites. For instance … “Cam” (almost 500 comments), “theothergreg” (almost 700 comments) … It does no good to engage these people as has been evidenced here by me and others. “”
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And yet look at the number of comments you have made on this single post. Feel free to go through my comments. They are mostly on stories, and unlike you, not all about trying to run away from a verbal mistake and panicking because somebody told me I wasn’t right about everything.
Again, you formed an opinion, you judged, unable to dispute this you have now spent an inordinate amount of time trying to either name call or change the definition of a word. Your 3rd grade teacher would be dissappointed.
Stache1
@Chad Hunt:
I just wanted to say how much I appreciate your comments here and other places. Very well thought out honest responses. The kind of dialog that needs to happen.
Of coarse that honesty opens you up to scrutiny by the trolls (Cam, the other greg, Matt) with their own selfish agenda’s to push. However, you’ve handled that well. Better then most could deal with including me.
Chad Hunt
@Stache1 … See what I mean. I wasn’t even talking to that person and they tried to engage me in another response over the same tired issue. I won’t even dignify their childishness with a response. The sheer number of emails people have sent me privately are enough for me to know who is isn’t right. LOL I feel sorry for the others on here who made the same mistake I did in engaging them in the first place. All it takes though is about 3 postings between them for the people to realize what kind of crazy they are dealing with.
Then of course I’m criticized for making about 60 posts on one thread because I’m passionate to defend my friend & myself from idiotic comments and uneducated morons.
I have to wonder how many of these idiots would post such vile rhetoric if sites and blogs made u register comments with your real name, city, and pic of yourself. I’m a public personality and don’t need to hide behind a made up screename.
Take my advice and just don’t engage them further.
Chad Hunt
@Stache1:
LOL … I was just writing you.
Thanks for that. I try to just be myself and an open book for intelligent conversation but sometimes my passions get the better of me and I fall into the traps of crazies. LOL
Stache1
@Chad Hunt:
Yup. Like I said. The VERY definition of a troll…
I avoid them or I try to. I know it only feeds them. It’s like…”look at me everyone. I’m a real shithead. Look at what I just said”. The worse thing you can do is fall for it and engage them but sometimes….Well, like you said about falling for the traps. Hook, line, and sinker sometimes:)
In my last response I was also going to say that I sympathize with you. It’s easy for me. I just turn off the computer and move on. However, if I saw someone shitting all over someone I knew or something personal to me of coarse I too would have at least 60 effing posts on said subject. Unlike these trolls that doesn’t mean anything other then you just care. As we all should.
I just wanted you to know that your not some lone voice out there. Some of us just don’t want to deal with them though. However, enough is enough with this endless disrespect and trolling.
Chad Hunt
@Stache1:
Thanks again. Yours, others on here, and the various personal emails I have received in regards to this are very much appreciated.
Point of fact, I even appreciate educated posters who disagree with me on numerous subjects as long as the conversation is productive, thought provoking, and intelligent debate.
People are certainly entitled to their own thoughts, opinions, judgments, bigotries, etc but when you use these thoughts or opinions to demean another or group that have done nothing to hurt you or anyone but themselves then u are engaging in inappropriate rhetoric. We have enough hate groups in the world against our community and it just pains me to see them amongst ourselves.
btw … I suspect next you will be reduced to an idiotic porn obsessed crazed fan who idolizes porn stars by certain individuals so you may not want to be so flattering to me. LOL (not that i don’t love and appreciate it.)
Cam
Chad and Stache,
So lets see,
We never said anything unkind about Josh Weston, I merely pointed out that Chad Hunt was being judgemental.
In response I’ve been called multiple names including bigot. I think it is very telling that somebody is so arrogant that pointing out a mistake they made is somehow equivilent to being a bigot to them.
Chad, are you your own race, gender, etc… a single member group and any dissagreement with you is akin to bigotry? No of course you aren’t. You just can’t have a rational adult discussion, you can’t even deal with the fact that you were factually wrong, so you just lash out and call names like an angry child would.
To call people bigots because they dissagree with you is beyond sad. At some point you really should seek some therapy.
Oh, and signing in under a different account and talking back and forth to yourself…..yeah, that worked.
Chad Hunt
@Stache1:
See what I mean about the craziness. It’s funny how several people on here beside myself have tried to quell this idiot. No one besides “TheOtherGreg” (most likely one in the same person) has agreed with him.
Several have pointed out to him in fact how he was wrong about my supposed “judgmental statement.”
Bigots never like to be called out on what they are. No one ever said disagreeing with me was bigotry but greg saying people who watch porn are losers who cant get laid certainly was and so was cam saying he knew why I chose my (retired from six years ago) profession because all porn stars lack most be lacking mentally certainly was.
Then claiming that me and you are the same person because I caught onto him and Greg is just idiotic.
I authorize Queerty to look up the state and internet address code attached to me and Stache1’s comments to see if we are even in the same state or remotely close to the same internet address or signature and post the results here. Somehow I doubt Cam and his cohort would do the same.
I dont have to hide behind several screenames like internet trolls. if i was going to do that why openly display who I was to begin with.
I am the one who is open to adult conversation and productive debate as has been evidenced in all these postings by me and several others.
Some people just like to stir up shit, make moronic comments etc because it makes them feel better about themselves.
I’m not even going to acknowledge the existence of the idiot beyond this. Let him rant and Rave and make up shit about me as they please. I couldnt care less. I dont need to defend myself beyond what has already been evidenced and proven to be true here.
Anyways … Stache1, SteveSE, francoC, SJGUY, DanteL, Gare1eth, Sukhrajah, all the earlier posters, and all those who sent me personal emails. Thanks for being mature adults open to debate.
Chad Hunt
I do want to apologize to all the readers & other posters on this thread. I allowed “Cam” and “TheOtherGreg” to bait me into all this childish nonsense.
This thread was supposed to be about the tragedy of Josh Weston’s death. Not some moronic chit chat about me, my opinions, or some supposed “judgment.”
Nor was it supposed to be about HIV, barebacking, trolling, etc.
Again I apologize to all of Josh’s family, fans, friends about what this thread has turned into and my part in helping the idiocy and craziness of 2 posters to turn it into that.
Ruhlmann
Live by the sword……
DanteL
I cannot believe you guys are still arguing about this.
wizbang_fl
@Chad Hunt: I get what you were trying to say….
They have passed and the notice of their death isn’t the place to have that discussion.
In someone’s obituary (in reality that’s what this is) why would you think it’s acceptable to discuss beliefs of what the person did or didn’t do right in their life?
It would be as if someone went to the funeral and had the same conversation. It’s petty and mean spirited.
May he find peace.
Jimi Paradise
Sad, sad news! *_*
Tromano
I loved Josh to death he had the best work out at Golds Gym and he had the best diet, the nicest person I ever met bought me sushi when I first met him, he was fanatic about being clean he was like the Jordan of make dancers I am so sick since I heard he died I don’t think I will ever get over this! Never said an unkind word to anybody his diet was amazing he was such a healthy eater from Chelsea piers in my people just stared at his bodies he was mostly Alone and worked out everyday first one to the gym I loved Josh this breaks my heart he looked so healthy never smoke or drank always told me no way he didn’t even eat chicken out he cooked it at home didn’t like oil or butter nobody had his body he went on stage people flipped out
Tromano
One time Josh got gay bashed walking out of the nob hill he got jumped and people hit him with a baseball bat and stole his money, the poor kid life really isn’t fair I just saw him a few months ago and I had no idea he was sick, wow it’s like I lost a brother we worked out hard together everyday life really isn’t fair he doesn’t have a bad bone in his body my girls fell in love with him and the best looking guys can walk by and he would t look one of the classiest people I met In my life I am so depressed right now I feel like crying and getting sick
Tromano
@Tromano: eeeeeeI loved Josh to death he had the best work out at Golds Gym and he had the best diet, the nicest person I ever met bought me sushi when I first met him, he was fanatic about being clean he was like the Jordan of make dancers I am so sick since I heard he died I don’t think I will ever get over this! Never said an unkind word to anybody his diet was amazing he was such a healthy eater from Chelsea piers in my people just stared at his bodies he was mostly Alone and worked out everyday first one to the gym I loved Josh this breaks my heart he looked so healthy never smoke or drank always told me no way he didn’t even eat chicken out he cooked it at home didn’t like oil or butter nobody had his body he went on stage people flipped out
Tromano
@Tromano: tint I love it cinnebr
bender1955
@Chad Hunt: Hello Chad i have followed you and Josh’s career since you both started in the bizz. and i do agree with what you had to say 100%
Itis the choices we make in life either good or bad and we can’t know why another persons do or don’t make those certian choices at that certian point in there life . but we do have to keep up the education on the hiv all the time. I personally loved watching Josh on screen; it was the first time i had ever thought about being a top looking at that hot bubble butt of his.
so what or whatever he did or didn’t do choice wise in his life ( every person deserves the respect and dignity of there passing ) RIP JOSH
grero
@Bob LaBlah: Thanks for the recommended books!
BigG
Very sad. My friend died this year at 36 of aids related complications. He was not taking his meds regularly and was too much into partying. He was very good looking and could not ditch the clubs, bars and men. That lifestyle was all he knew. Very sad. You have a higher chance of becoming drug resistant if you miss doses consistently. Drugs don’t help also. By the time he was ready to get serious, it was too late .
Bully2
@Chad Hunt: Thanks Chad, judgment is the worst, we get enough of that from the right-wing nuts who want to send us back the stone age, or at last back into the closet, after stripping us of any rights we gained along the way of course. Better we watch out for one another, accept each other as we would like to be accepted by others. Why is that such a weird concept, even in our own tribe?