There’s some gay porn drama over in California. Police are currently investigating a group of websites which posted pictures high school swimmers.
Some of the pictures, of boys as young as 14, were displayed next to photos of nude young men and graphic sexual content, an Orange County Register investigation found.
Parents, coaches and school officials were alarmed, and parents said some of the boys were traumatized and sought counseling.
“These kids don’t look at what they do as shameful,” said Joan Gould, an international water polo official and a spokeswoman for a group of Orange County water polo parents. “For someone to come in and take what these kids are doing and take it out of context and exploit these images, these kids and their schools, because you can see the school name on the caps, is just horrible.”
The original culprit calls London home, but the pictures spread across the internet like wildfire.
emb
Oh this raises all sorts of interesting legal, artistic, free-speech, and privacy issues! An excellent way to start the week.
So there’s clearly a difference between photos of adult men playing volleyball on a public beach in their skimpies (no expectation of privacy) and photos of underage boys participating in a school event (hm…some expectation of privacy? I dunno). Obviously a big part of the issue is context: if the photos of the boys had been posted on a sports site, there’d likely have been little foofarah about it; since they were apparently mixed in with racier pictures, they are magically transformed into masturbation fodder, which is understandably disturbing to the sensibilities of the boys and their parents. But whoever took the photos, while perhaps lusting in his heart, did little other than document a reality: these boys were in fact wandering around the pool in eensie swimthings. But it’s interesting how the same photo can be two different things, depending on whether it’s on the boy’s auntie’s beeming website (“Here’s our little Bobby on the day he won a medal”) or wankoff.com intermingled with scanned porn.
But what’s the answer? Prohibit photography at school swim meets except by blood relatives with appropriate ID? Unlikely. And is the fact that someone finds an adolescent male attractive necessarily “shameful”? There’s the profit question, of course, if the photos are on a pay site, but still.
I’ll be really interested in what others have to say about this!
blackiemiko
I have to ask in a tactfully way as possible. 🙂
Does anyone know what sites this was posted on?
Rikard
I’m with emb, the issue is tricky and important. If we want the gay community to be legitimized and not cast as perverts we need to help draw the line clearly. To suggest that it’s not as bad for boys to be sexualized as a teen, or that there’s little harm because they were at a public event is to accept a scenario that allows pervs to prey on kids. The sexualization of an unaware, or unwilling person is wrong and probably criminal. When that victim is underage it is worse. I suggest that any photos of students has copyrights shared by the student and the school. If these photos are used by anyone other than those two it should be criminal. Schools or students could sue for infringement. Give the atorneys something to chase, help the municipalities a hand locating the pervs and give the victims a sense of power to fight the pervs that want to use them sexually.
emb
That’s a really interesting idea, Rikard–there’s precedent for it in concerts and theatrical productions (no cameras, please), as well as professional sporting events (though there the limit is on personal v commercial use). There’s obviously an enforcement problem, with the way this stuff spreads across the web, but in principle it may be sound policy that protects scantily-clad underage boys (and, one assumes, girls, since there are probably similar photos of young ladies out there).
You raise a thornier issue with the statement that “sexualization of an unaware, or unwilling person is wrong and probably criminal.” That depends on the circumstances, probably. Is it wrong or criminal for a homo photographer to take photos of swimwear-clad men playing volleyball or football or just walking on a public beach, and then post them on “Sexy Men On The Beach” dot com? Principle’s the same: some guy just playing with his frisbee is suddenly oggle-able around the globe for utterly prurient reasons. On the other hand, nothing untrue or misleading has been done to the photo: he WAS on that beach, he WAS wearing those speedos, he DOES have that body (that he was clearly not shy about showing).
So on the bigger picture (so to speak), I dunno. I like the school copyright notion, though.
Rikard
purrr, emb likes my idea 🙂 Enforcement is always a problem, but there is a place in law, or ethics for the idealistic statement. Saying it’s wrong, saying it out loud and refusing rhetoric accepting of it bluntly. There is now way to criminalize someone who documents the world around them (here is the beach the day I was there), but paying to view the documentary beach photos, or using them as an enticement (like these? see more explicit pics inside) should be. It’s ok to peddle the flesh, but you have to get a model release signed. We all have the same right to our own image as the beautiful and famous, but unlike the famous we have not relinquished an expectation of privacy by promoting our image.
Heddi
On a legitamit newspaper’s high school sports site, a company advertised sports pictures (via a google ad). Parents went to these sites expecting to see sports sites…and found pictures of there kids..not playing the sport…but just pictures of bulges in the bathing suit..adjusting oneselves, pics that showed pubic hair. So to answer the question..what were parents checking gay porn sites for..it didn’t happen that way.
Getting back to point…after googling this particular website…loads of gay sites popped up..and that’s where hundreds of sites popped up with pictures of sports players. This person(s) sells these pictures for a profit to gay men. The boys are underage. He is getting off scott free…while Scott Cornelius is the one being investigated. Allen Rockwell….takes pictures of trains, planes and everthing else. Allen exploited the San Diego area aquatic boys for years. Scott was the photographer of grey speedo boy. This is not a matter of relinquising expectation to privacy but rather. taking inappropriate shots for commercial purposes and financial gain without model release or contract.
Using secretive devices, remote cameras, utra zoom lenses to get a sneak peak…shows the intent.
WaterPoloParent
Take what this guy “Heddi” says with a grain of salt … he’s been spouting this stuff all over the internet for over 6 months now. I could go line by line through his post and correct all his errors (and made up facts) but I’m not going to change his mind so there is really no point. He’ll keep saying whatever he wants and it will continue to get repeated until so many people are saying it that it’s assumed to be fact.
This guy is happy to throw around the names of Scott and Allen but he himself will always hide behind a made up screen name, that way he can never be held accountable for his slanderous statments.
I’ve followed this story since the beginning and I can say that it is about 5% facts and 95% homophobic hysteria stirred up by people like Heddi that obviously have an anti-gay agenda.
For an example of a real provable fact, I happen to know for a fact that Allen has gone to the “San Diego Area” once to shoot a college level rowing competition…. Yes once. I’m not sure how that gets blow up into “exploited the San Diego area aquatic boys for years” but I’m sure you can thank “Heddi” for that little tidbit of false information.
Question what you hear. Question even more what you read on the internet.
Emb and Rikard,
You guys are right. These athletes were in public, they were performing for the public, the public was allowed to photograph at the event, etc etc etc. This is not a matter of hidden cameras in the locker room, “secretive devices” (whatever that means) or “up skirting”, these are people (regardless of age), contrary to what the zealots will tell you most of them are college or university age that are performing for the public at public venues. Unless these sports venues want to ban photography entirely I do not see this debate ever being resolved. Little Jonhhy’s mother can post her photos from the big game to any number of photo sharing websites and people can take them (it’s not right, but it’s done all the time) and repost them anywhere they want, I’m not sure how this can be stopped.
I think the real crime here is the hysteria that people like “Heddi” are stirring up and the misrepresentation of facts that is reflecting badly on the gay community as a whole.
Allen
Well, I’ve stayed silent on this issue for months now… maybe it’s time to add a few facts to the load of (well, you know) that people like Heddi have been spreading around the internet.
Yes, this is Allen, one of the guys referenced in the above post by Heddi, or whatever your real name is.
Here are a few facts:
1. I’ve been a sports photographer for a few years now.
2. I shot mostly college level events but have occasionally shot some high school events as well.
3. I never marketed my products as anything other than sports photography, I never used words like sexy, hot, gay, erotic or anything remotely similar in my marketing of my work.
4. My target audience has always been athletes, parents, families, fans and anyone else that wanted to purchase my work.
5. I have never excluded any group from purchasing my work … if gay men have purchased works from me I would have have no way of knowing, there is not a sexual orientation check box on the order form.
6. I have NEVER knowingly provided images (for free or for sale) to porn websites.
7. Every event I attended was a public event on public property and open to the general public.
8. Every event I attended allowed public photography.
9. Often I was invited to events and given press credentials by the organizers.
10. Selling sports photographs (regardless of age of the athletes) is 100% legal.
11. Model releases are not required for photos of people taken in public unless that image is to be used in advertising another product (billboards, magazine ads, product label, etc) Images simply sold as images do not require model releases (again, regardless of age).
12. If you look at my images and see something sexy in them, that is your problem … not mine or the athlete’s problem. You see what you want in the photos, I cannot control your thoughts.
13. As the previous poster said, I was in San Diego once to shoot a college level rowing event. I’m not sure how that translates to years of exploitation of boys.
14. If someone is indeed taking my images in violation of my copyright and reposting them to porn sites please tell me who and where and I’ll deal with it. So far nobody has been able to tell me this.
15. Every serious sports photographer uses what Heddi calls “Ultra Zoom lenses”, I’m pretty sure that’s not a crime. Find me one sports photographer that’s not carrying at least a few big white Canon lenses.
16. Regarding Heddi’s claim of “secretive Devices” and “Remote Cameras”, at ONE swim meet (which I was invited to by the organizers) I was working alone and set up a camera on a tripod directly in front of and in full view of the officials desk (after getting their permission) with a radio controlled shutter trigger so I could get a shot looking down the starting blocks as the men and women dove into the water. So devious!!!!
Sorry to introduce facts into the argument Heddi but someone had to do it.
Oh … one more thing Heddi. Show me ONE photo of mine where I have cropped the photo so that it’s just a shot of a (as you say) “bulges in the bathing suit”. Show me ONE! You can keep repeating the same crap over and over as long as you want, but show me ONE photo like that if you can. And I’m not talking about a photo that someone else has cropped and reposted, I’m talking about one of my photos that _I_ edited.
…all that being said, I want it to be clear that if someone is taking my work and reposting it to porn sites I STRONGLY object to that and would sue for copyright infringement if I could find out who’s doing it.
Take care all,
Allen
parent
Allen, you call yourself a sports photographer. You are not. You used boys for your own financial gains. People were afraid to join your website and chose not to. You are not allowed to take pictures of boys because no event will give you a press pass. If allen snaps was legit, you would still have a business. There now is a law in place. You would not get away with what you did. You were all over San Diego HS taking pictures. Not just one high school or event. Joan wants nothing to do with you after your mislead her. You yourself destroyed your crediabilty. However, people assumed you were a professional sports photographer not a photographer who posts for the gay population. Your being gay has nothing to do with this. Your lack of integrity does.
whatever
Well, how would did these people find these sites: by googling gay swim, etc.? I mean, someone, somewhere was looking for these pictures – how did they find them? Think about it.
Would there have been such a furor if these pictures had been of girls in bathing suits?
I think not.
Theydidntneedcounseling
So, DOES anyone know where these photos were posted?
Allen
@Theydidntneedcounseling
No, nobody seems to be able to come up with an answer to that question. I’ve asked the same question many times and nobody can give me an answer. I’ve wanted to find out for myself who reposted my images and started this big mess so that I could pursue copyright infringement proceedings but nobody seems to know the answer.
@PARENT
First I’ve never been to San Diego High School in my life … for that matter I’ve never been to any high school anywhere in San Diego county … I defy you to prove otherwise … because it’s not true. Don’t believe everything you hear on the internet.
Obvioulsy “gay” does have something to do with it or you would not mention it. As a professional photographer I cannot choose to sell or not sell to someone based on their sexual preference … Hell I cannot even legally ask the question, So if a gay customer wants to buy an image, how would you suggest I handle that request? Especially if I have no idea if the customer is male or female, gay or straight, old or young, black or white?
BTW, Joan Gould was not mislead by anyone. I still have my application for media credentials for the FINA Worlds Championships, it clearly states that the images I take would be sold online. … I suppose that I should have mentioned that there was a chance that some of the customers might be gay, but with up to 10% of the world’s population being gay (by some reports) I just assumed that fact was a given.
Billy Warlock
What a joke. They are just pictures and nothing else. I’ve seen parents photograph their kids all the time on the decks and put them on Flickr and other photo sharing sites. If you can do it, anyone can.
hEDDI
Allen, Joan knows you and thought you were a legit photographer.
She has stated she gave you press credentials but she did not know what you do as a side business. Allen, I have seen the photgraphs of students that you took with your logo on the bottom posted on numberous gay and pedophile website. Yes, you took pictures of boys from San Diego High School and posted them. Plus the grey Speedo Boy is from San Diego. Scott Stanford/Corenealius took those pics. You lived in San Diego and took pictures at nearby school events. I personally have seen these. So do not lie. Water Polo Parent is Allen…because there is not one water polo parent that likes you or agrees with what you did. You had pictures of the Junior National championship from the summer of 2007 with many euro teams. Good god, remember those dvd you sold on line. Remember those weekly snapshots that you showed on your front page. And I even remember how you reposted pictures because you had difficulty going to events. finally that business fell apart. I even joined a group and spelled my name a little differently and a pervert asked me if I still had those dvds for sale. Allen, I remember I told you to stick to the planes and trains. Years later, your negative effect to the aquatic sports has not been forgotten. Scott Cornealius (Stanford) still works at UCI…and that is why UCIs swimming and diving program was cut. soon the water polo programs will be gone as well. Allen Rockwell and your brother with his daughter and wife or girlfriend.
The dumbest thing you and your bud boy toy did was do those Myspace pages. Scott Stanford page…well his password was Cornealius….parent detectives figured that one out.
There’s nothing wrong with being gay, it’s what you do as a person. Yuch, Yuch Allen Rockwell, Scott Stanford and oh yeah, we can’t forget FREDDIES FAVS.
hEDDI
Hey billie,
Allen posted the swimmer/water polo pictures on Gay Sites. Gay Sites, Pedophile sites….I read the comments on these sites. Only sickos would write the things I read.
Perhaps you were one of allen’s old customers.
I stand behind everything I said.
Hedwig
Wow, people are STILL talking about this? The dispatcher returned to work after being on PAID LEAVE for months and months, the DA, FBI, law enforcement and other authorities confirmed that going to public sporting events and taking pictures is perfectly LEGAL, the ‘water polo’ bill died and will never be heard again, OC parents are still pulling out their hair.
See you on the pool deck!
Hedwig
@Allen:
Back in business
Poolerker
I can’t believe Joan is posting ‘non action’ shots of 12 year old water polo players!!! This is an outrage. Someone should call the OC Register. Anyone could post the image on a gay porn site and Joan could find herself on the front page of a local paper.
[img]http://www.waterpoloplanet.com/gallery3/index.php/2009_Speedo_Cup/Houston_Water_Polo/DSC_6111.JPG[/img]
B
If you click on the link named “investigating”, you get an error message saying that the Associated Press is not providing this article anymore (I saw “ap” in the URL and assumed it was a legitimate news source). QUEERTY should post another link if it has one.
With regard to Richard’s comment in No 3, “I suggest that any photos of students has copyrights shared by the student and the school.” …. that would take an act of congress. U.S. copyright law gives the copyright to the photographer, the main exception being when the photographer captures someone else’s copyrighted work – you can’t take a series of pictures of each page of a book
and sell the collection of pictures as your own work to get around the author’s copyright. Even if you changed U.S. copyright law, what about all the other countries?
ewe
Emotionally harmed? Seeking counseling? Only on behalf of white BOYS do i ever hear this rediculous rant. Never for girls or minority kids. PULEEZE. It’s so tired.
reg
I’m surprised this story still holds and interest with people.
swimboys
This Web site has ALL the latest high school swimming schedules.
swimboys
@hEDDI:
speedolover
Swim season has started
undrurskin
Water polo schedules can be found here.
undrurskin
Still upset?
Creativeguru
Creativeguru should come by the pier again.
Creativeguru
Oh, Cameron Smyth’s website http://www.maspofcalifornia.org isn’t working. That’s too bad. Looks like it was another political move to gain support and media attention. Now that the ‘hysteria’ has died, there’s no need to keep the website updated.
Creativeguru
This would make a good website for someone interested in Speedos.
http://betterwhois.com/bwhois.cgi?verification=4544&domain=unlimitedspeedos.com&submitbtn=Continue
sensationalize it
OMG>>>> Call the police. Here’s a non action shot (similar to Joan’s) that was recently posted on Flickr. We should unit and stop these ‘predators’!!!!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/48356230@N08/4424083256/
sensationalize it
http://www.flickr.com/photos/48356230@N08/
sensationalize it
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46126845@N08/
anotheronebitesthedust
Allensnaps went crazy over Jesse –
The tall drink of hotness is the way you referred to Jesse.
and this was posted by Allen Rockwell aka Allensnaps.
billwary
Still made after all these years?
billwary
Poolerker has a very good point. What’s the different between that picture and the ones Allen photographed?
nicegarden
The fact of the matter is that taking pictures at ANY sporting event is totally legal. Putting those pictures on a website is legal too. The DA, law enforcement, FBI, and many other authorities looked at these Web sites and photographs and found nothing illegal. That law they wanted to pass in Sacramento even failed. How much more validation does someone need to realize that this is totally legal. Good luck in changing constitutional law.
THERE’S NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO TO STOP IT.
law1
My I suggest to photographers that they carry a digital voice recorder with them whenever they are out and about. If you get involved in a verbal confrontation, let the other party know you’re recording the conversation. While recording, verbally identify who you’re conversing with, the date, location and time. If you’re being asked to leave, point out that other people are at the event photographing and ask why you’re being singled out. If you’re asked to leave, then leave the event. Before exiting the venue, take a picture of the audience to prove that other people are taking pictures. This should be the FIRST thing you shoot when arriving. Even though it’s not illegal to photography a public sporting event, it’s good evidence that you’re being discriminated against. Photograph the venue’s entrance to show that there are no signs prohibiting photography.
If the event was held at a school, file an ‘equal opportunity’ complaint with the school’s administration. Indicate in your complaint that you’re being singled out because of your perceived sexual preference. Ex: All the non-gay people are allowed to take pictures, but not the gays?
Also, file a small claims suit against the parties involved. At your discretion, contact an civil rights attorney to represent you during the administrative hearing and any civil action that’s out of the scope of small claims suit. Attorneys are not allowed to represent plaintiffs in small claims.
Good luck and post any questions here. I’m a frequent adviser to many legal forums.
evans
@anotheronebitesthedust:
my-oh-my… still angry.
jiggywithit
Were any laws changed? The media really blew this out of proportion if you ask me. The only reason they were interested in the story is because one of the photographers worked for a police department. If this guy worked at ABC Builders, no one would care.
All the angry parents were demanding ‘camera control’ at these public events. I’ve officiated many high school and college events and there’s been no change as to who can and can’t bring in a camera. Some quotes from coaches suggested they were ‘determined’ to control who takes pictures, but I haven’t seen any changes at all. I don’t think it’s legal to control who does and doesn’t take pictures. Like Law1 said, you can’t discriminate. Either you allow photography or you don’t. Funny how things just die down and people go back to normal.
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Admin
The pier boys are looking good this year 🙂
Freddie Fav's
http://i42.tinypic.com/hvosh3.jpg
I bet the members on this site can appreciate the beauty in this picture.
Freddie Fav's
or this
http://i43.tinypic.com/20gk75h.jpg
Freddie Fav's
Here’s an ‘action’ shot to keep all those angry parents happy.
http://i40.tinypic.com/23kw9d2.jpg
nella
Hum, I see no difference between these pictures and the one of the TWELVE year old posted by someone else.
jiggywithit
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http://i41.tinypic.com/120nvid.jpg
Freddie
There’s no escaping Freddie’s camera
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800 The Law 2
And I’ll repeat this over and over
Peter Yu, director of Drake’s Intellectual Property Law Center, said photos taken at public events like high school sports competitions are generally protected by the Constitution.
gaytoraid
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gaytoraid
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gaytoraid
and
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gaytoraid
here’s a cool action shot
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Tetty
@hEDDI: Aren’t you Pepe Le Moko on the WPP site too? These 2 user names have cinematic similarities.
it will never end
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legalize it
Pool decks are back in business
legalize it
@emb:
The media and other ‘people’ try to sensationalize this issue by calling these athletes ‘underage’. It doesn’t matter if you’re 8 or 80. If you’re in public, your picture can be taken. The use of these adjectives is only meant to draw attention to the story.
law1
Yes, your picture can be taken in public no matter your age. I see people photographing the surfers from a pier and I’m sure most of them are under 18. Whether on land or water, your picture can be taken. Same goes for high school and college events. If they are open to the public, anyone can attend and take pictures and video.
There is case law about the expectation of privacy. If a swimmer is changing behind the bleachers, they are doing so for privacy. Taking their picture, even if clothed, could constitute a privacy violation. However, these swimmers or water polo players are changing on the pool deck in view of everyone. They are obviously not looking for privacy and therefore can be photographed.
In Huntington Beach, there’s a municipal code (misdemeanor) that prohibits someone from changing in public view. The ‘towel changing’ law really targets surfers, but could makes it way onto the pool decks. So, if someone thinks that the photographer is doing something illegal by photographing someone during a pool deck change, think again. The athlete is committing a misdemeanor by changing in public.
law1
Sorry for the typos.
Bunny Snuggles
Why does the anti-sports photography zealot and phobe, Joan Gould, like to take photos that show adolescent boys crotches and post them on line? Why does she use tag words like “speedo” and “cup” to entice pedophiles to her very public photo-page depicting nearly naked young boys? The public has a right to know exactly what are her “intentions” and/or “ulterior motives” — if any.
http://www.waterpoloplanet.com/gallery3/index.php/2009_Speedo_Cup/Houston_Water_Polo/DSC_6111.JPG
Law1
@Candid One:
Simply put, yes.
sm3321
The ‘water polo’ bill didn’t meet constitutional challenges.
The status, “From Senate committee without further action”, is a nice way of saying it DIED!
No one worked very hard to get this thing passed. Another legislature trying to get his name in the paper.
CURRENT BILL STATUS
MEASURE : A.B. No. 2104
AUTHOR(S) : Smyth.
TOPIC : Pornography: unauthorized photographs of minors.
+LAST AMENDED DATE : 05/19/2008
TYPE OF BILL :
Inactive
Non-Urgency
Non-Appropriations
Majority Vote Required
State-Mandated Local Program
Fiscal
Non-Tax Levy
LAST HIST. ACT. DATE: 11/30/2008
LAST HIST. ACTION : From Senate committee without further action.
COMM. LOCATION : SEN PUBLIC SAFETY
TITLE : An act to add Section 311.12 to the Penal Code, relating
to crimes.
ossurworld
When did a public event become private?
sm3321
My God! This is horrible!
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mar29
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mar29
Those twins sure are HOT!
sm3321
I hope they don’t end up on a porn site
sm3321
What happened to our online sparring partners?
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Creativeguru
OMG… This issue goes beyond water polo and into competitive swimming.
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Creativeguru
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Creativeguru
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Creativeguru
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angryone2you
now our photographers are hanging out at water parks!
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omg...call the police
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omg...call the police
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sm3321
predators are everywhere
ds66994
Gather your pitchforks, we must stop these predators.
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ds66994
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Nice Garden
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valuepriced
The horrible acts against humanity continue. What is Cameron Smyth doing about all this?
vantec
Where are all the angry parents? Don’t you hate it when you don’t get what you want.
photoyou
Have you seen the Newport team this year? All I can say is WOW! Too bad their starting blocks are so close to the spectators. It makes for difficult shooting with our ultra zoom, remote lenses.
pennysfee
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beachlurker
This is getting out of hand. Here’s an unsuspecting child being photographed at the beach. Please stop this crimes against our children
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beachlurker
Yet another one
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anotheronebitesthedust
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protectourchildren.org
Protect the children!
protectourchildren.org
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sm3321
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protectourchildren.org
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protectourchildren.org
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well
Where’s all the angry parents these days? What’s wrong? How can you be silent while these Web sites continue their behavior?
Benjamin Houston
@hEDDI: Why the hell are you cruising pedophile sites, Heddi? That makes no sense. You are a sick person. I viewed thew above pictures, and there is absolutely nothing offensive about them. Get over yourself– he makes a very solid argument that would stand up in a court of law. You are SOL.
Benjamin Franklin
The fact that none of these websites were shut down by law enforcement clearly indicates the photographs displayed were legal. Parents only used words like pedophile to sensationalize the issue to make it seem more salacious than it really was.
Perfect example would be Heddi and Pepe le Moko on Water Polo Planet. These two profiles were created by the same person to create more hysteria and multiple posts.
Anyway, I’m going to watch an old movie now.
Rob Moore
Interesting conversation in the above comments. I cannot fault sports photographers for any of this. They take photographs of athletes in action or in preparation for the action. The copyright law is correct as it is, I think. What is needed is a better tool to stop the sites who misappropriate or misuse the photographs. A separate law should provide liability for websites based on the context of the website not a particular webpage. If a website is accessible for a fee and is presented as a sexually oriented site, then it should be held in violation of exploitation laws protecting minors. If pictures of minors are found on sites that are represented as sexually oriented, then authorities with jurisdiction, such as local authorities as well as state and federal, where the server is housed that carries the website, will have a duty to pursue criminal charges. In addition, the copyright holder and the guardians of the minor should be able to sue for damages from the site owner or the parent company of the subsidiary company. I would exempt the ISP from liability due to the unintended consequences that would occur.
John Doe
What do all these pictures have to do with anything? I someone antagonizing a particular group of people? Most of the comments are off topic.
dasdfas
That rower is flawless
Ashley Rose
Looks totally legal to me.
dustint
What do all these photos have to do with the original story?
thisishorrible
come on neverbackdown… where did you go???
deaggkdeah
she’s probably looking for me on a local pool deck LOL
footballstud
These are making Joan very unhappy
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verpoop
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laughing at joan
joan isn’t very happy about this
laughing at joan
I love the fact that none of the nut-cases speak anymore. It’s proof that their campaign is over! See you at CIF.
ParentsAreWatchingYou
Allen, the aquatics decks are watching you. Your picture is on numberous fliers. Securtiy and aquatics staff are aware of what you look like even with a disguise. You own the underwater camera that you said someone else owned. You can laugh and make jokes all you want because you won’t get any pictures to sell on dvds.
AllenRockwellWatcher
Posting using numerous names is dull and boring. A man doesn’t need to make jokes about a woman. Watcha afraid of a woman? Oh yeah, you only like your dogs and boyfriend Fido. Life’s been a bit lonely for you. No one wants you taking pictures. Go away.
Leave civilize people alone and stay with you own kind. Eventually your behavior will land you in jail because it is illegal. The jokes on you.
laughtingoutloud
not bad for a long range ultra zoom lens while hiding in the bushes.
ParentsAreWatchingYou
Hey Loser Allen, when people are informed about your antics, they run the other way and want nothing to do with you. Your immature behavior and non professionalism is what hurts you. Too bad you couldn’t put your talent towards positive measures. Using screen names used in the past by individuals opposed to you, taunting Joan, changing last names because it sounds funny to you is pathetic. There is a law and now you can’t post picture of minors. Now we need to get that changed to adults 18 and over.
You don’t take sports pictures. You are gay and make money off of the gay community. Nothing is wrong with being gay but they along with pedophiles like your pictures.
All I can say is that it must be tough living a life where no one likes you or respects you. When they find out who you are, no one wants anything to do with you.
So continue your immature behavior and act like an imbeccile.
Because that is the real AllenSnaps, Allen Rockwell, shirtless muscles, freddie favs and of course, Scott Cornealius – who promoted Grey Speedo Boy – one of the pictures you posted on this website again. Hey did Scott give you permission to post?
Law1
What’s the penal code section you’re referring to in this statement, “There is a law and now you can’t post picture of minors.”
We all know child porn is illegal, but random pictures of minors in bathing suits is perfectly legal.
scottstanfordwaterpolo
Have you seen Scott Stanford’s latest site? It’s secretsnapshots.com Tons of pics that I’m sure will end up on gay porn sites
scottstanfordwaterpolo
Happy New Year Joan
scottstanfordwaterpolo
http://www.secretsnapshots.com
scottstanfordwaterpolo
You should see those El Toro boys this year
scottstanfordwaterpolo
Does Creativeguru want to give his 2 cents worth?
scottstanfordwaterpolo
Ladonna is getting a divorce.
scottstanfordwaterpolo
@Allen: @Law1: I agree
scottstanfordwaterpolo
There’s some must-see new speedo boys at scottstanfordphotography.com Come take a look.
scottstanfordwaterpolo
@ParentsAreWatchingYou: Are you still losing sleep over this media produced hysteria?
scottstanfordwaterpolo
@Heddi: Comments are open again. Let the gaymes begin 🙂
scottstanfordwaterpolo
Scott now has a Smugmug account where you can buy prints of his fine photography. Check out smugmug.com
pissingoffjoan
@scottstanfordwaterpolo: @blackiemiko: I think the site was boycollector.net It was the site the OC Register justified all their sensational journalism.
pissingoffjoan
@hEDDI: Is this Ernesto Valle formally from El Toro High? [email protected]?
pissingoffjoan
@scottstanfordwaterpolo: Yummy pics
pissingoffjoan
@hEDDI: hello ernie