How appropriate that after last night’s (Lady Gaga) episode of Glee, where Finn can’t stand how “faggy” Kurt’s room (and everything else) is, and where Kurt’s father comes to the rescue (ooh daddy!), Davey Wavey hits YouTube as a Glee virgin and says he has no freakin’ clue what’s going on in the show.
But he’s totally crushing on Kurt.
Everyone sees the irony here, right?
And it involves a checked bag and a carry-on.
How about we take this to the next level?
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7
Hey, Queerty: NO ONE CARES.
Shawn
@7: AGREED! Love Glee…but enough with this “Davey Wavey” crap…He’s bland and I could care less what he thinks….
Toby
Let me get this right….
Kurt spends about 4 episodes being as CREEPY as he can trying to “change” Finn, or seduce him….somehow convincing both of their parents to live together…So Kurt can live in the same room as Finn…for WHATEVER reason that insults me as a gay man.
And when Finn can’t take it any more…Finn is the bad guy?
And you guys are all OK with that?
Seriously, Glee is the Perez Hilton of TV. It pretends to Proud but really, is so self loathing and poorly written (hopefully it’s not on purpose), that it embodies EVERYTHING bad about being gay.
Kurt is an embarrassment for the gay community.
ROBinNYC
Finn isn’t the bad guy. We’re not meant to think he was. I posted this on another site regarding the same thing. This is how I see it:
The show is such a strange, marvelous hybrid. It is completely unrealistic…but in that artificiality, it’s able to explore some very real truths. And the one thing this show does VERY well is show good people making questionable choices. In the Kurt/Finn/Burt scene, everyone is reacting from a situation set in motion and never truly dealt with. Kurt’s crush is uncomfortable to watch cause it is so true. Gay boys who have no outlet for their feelings tend to crush on straight boys…sometimes to the point of slight obsession. Those straight boys (the better ones) kind of deal with it and ignore it…never confronting it for fear of looking like a jerk. But the situation is made worse in doing so. And then there’s Burt, who is learning to deal with his gay son and would of course get all papa bear at the slightest hint of someone attacking his son. My experience is that situations like this arise when good people f*ck up. And that’s what happened last night. And it was compelling.
Sergio
Queerty, I love you. But PLEASE stop wasting everyone’s time with this dull homo.
Cam
Seriously, why is every single post by this Davey guy up here?
7
@Cam: He must be screwing someone up at Queerty HQ.
Also, ROBinNYC, totally right, watched this happen right before my eyes in high school.
Toby, chill. They’re kids. Kids do stupid things, even/especially on TV.
Toby
ROBinNYC,
I’ll agree with you IF they actually have an episode arch where Kurt realizes he was being creepy and that Finn’s reaction was the same as if Kurt was being so relentlessly hit on/stalked by a girl.
But that’s a BIG IF.
So far the whole show has been…well…as stereotypical (which means, see it a million times on Logo…in the 90s!) as a show can be about Gay issues.
I mean, I know that all the gay writers on the Show grow up in the 80s…if that’s the show they wanted to make…then they should have set it in the 80’s.
But these kids today have the internet (IE Manroulette, QUERTY and other outlets to meet other gays their age).
It’s not as isolating as it was growing up in the 80s where the only people you know your age are people from your high School.
So as of now, I can’t disagree more with you and username 7.
Glee does not ring true AT ALL for a High School in 2010…1988 sure…but not today.
Pip
This is your brain *holds up grape fruit*
THIS IS YOUR BRAIN ON HOMOPHOBIA! AHHAAHHHHAHH *smashes grape fruit into little pieces*
drewbrown
@Toby: There’s no “perfect” character on Glee, that’s what’s so great about it. Kurt is TOTALLY creepy in his infatuation with Finn… Finn lashes out at Kurt but in the end defends him… Kurt’s dad goes way overprotective in defending Kurt, not realizing he’s crossing boundaries. I didn’t read it as “Finn is the bad guy.” I thought Finn’s lashing out was totally appropriate, although maybe not his use of the word faggy.
drewbrown
Wavey Davey makes me feel a little bit sorry for him. I don’t have tits the size of melons, but I know that if I devoted my entire life to having a body like that, I could have it. However, no matter how hard Davey Wavey tries, he will always be vapid and annoying.
drewbrown
OK one more thought and then I’ll shut up… in Glee terms, Davey Wavey is the equivalent of Brittany. It’s kind of funny to laugh at their cluelessness, and they’re both cute, but you sure don’t want to listen to anything more than a one-liner from either of them.
Toby
@drewbrown:
Ok I see that (and agree, the “faggy” was too much, I get it, PSA regarding not using the F word).
Now again, I don’t know if you’re going to read this post, since Queerty is “moderating” me because I said I didn’t like Kurt on Glee.
I mean….Really?
Toby
@ROBinNYC:
I’ll agree with you IF they actually have an episode arch where Kurt realizes he was being creepy and that Finn’s reaction was the same as if Kurt was being so relentlessly hit on/stalked by a girl.
But that’s a BIG IF.
So far the whole show has been…well…as stereotypical (which means, see it a million times on Logo…in the 90s!) as a show can be about Gay issues.
I mean, I know that all the gay writers on the Show grow up in the 80s…if that’s the show they wanted to make…then they should have set it in the 80’s.
But these kids today have the internet (IE Manroulette, QUEERTY and other outlets to meet other gays their age).
It’s not as isolating as it was growing up in the 80s where the only people you know your age are people from your high School.
So as of now, I can’t disagree more with you and username 7.
Glee does not ring true AT ALL for a High School in 2010…1988 sure…but not today.
jeffree
I’m glad the Wavey Diva has issued his Glee review, after all i never know WHAT to think about anything until he gives his well- articulated opinnions! Honestly, he’s really becoming sort of a desperate character.
@Toby: Dont hate on Sarà Je$$ica Pærker either or Queërtý will moderate you, so i’ve learned.
Louie
Seriously, Queerty. Enough of this guy. It’s not like you’re providing the only method to listen to the chump. If people really care, let them go to YouTube.
Clearly, there’s either a personal connection behind the scenes or Queerty editors are just pathetic.
EnoughisEnoughwiththeHipocrisy
@Toby: Bravo for saying what the media and so many other people think but do not dare say. That this show SUCKS! My God, this scene with the father and Kurt is sooooo poorly written, acted, melodramatic. BARF!
Oh, and Davey! He is the world’s biggest MORON.
EnoughisEnoughwiththeHipocrisy
@ROBinNYC: man, you sound like such a PR flak for that crappy show! Wavy Gravy is a braindead, but this show is too!
drewbrown
@EnoughisEnoughwiththeHipocrisy: Oh yes, thank god for Queerty for providing an outlet for all the poor, repressed, frightened Glee haters who dare not say anything lest they be beaten and dragged of to reform camps. Uh, you’re an idiot. The reason you don’t hear people saying they don’t like Glee is because they like it, not cuz they’re afraid to say they don’t. Duh.
EnoughisEnoughwiththeHipocrisy
@drewbrown: Your dad is an idiot too cause he watches Glee.
Andy
How do you properly describe something that is faggy without calling it faggy?
Andrew B.
@Andy: How about queeny?
Michael Joseph Cuneo
Somehow I’m thinking a crosswalk is too confusing for Davey Wavey.
Oscar
Not a fan of this show, or of Wavey.
Next.
PopSnap
Almost every single gay dude I know has gone through that phase of crushing on a cute straight friend. For me, it was a guy who I’d known for 6 years and he was the only guy who accepted me without being weirded out when I came out in middle school.
It was obvious that he knew about it, and I did some pretty obsessive stuff that makes me cringe. Such as performing a “love spell” with my faux-Wiccan goth gal pal; that was about the hardest I ever tried not to laugh in my 18 years of existence.
Then, there’s whenever he smiles at you, or says nice things to you, or asks to hang with you. That makes you think that maybe, deep down inside, you really *do* have a chance that he may one day become your totally awesome secret Jack Twist that you can brag to your girlfriends about and make them promise not to tell anybody. Of course, after a while you kind of realize that he is never going to like you that way. He will never sweep you off your feet, confess his undying love for you, or kiss you while playing Xbox, tackle you to the ground during a game of football and kiss you, or do any other such thing that we gays find romantic. And you realize; that’s OK. There’s nothing wrong with having a cute guy best friend that you can’t ever have sex with.
Glee is one of the best shows to come out in the past decade. Creative, fresh, great song remakes, funny, and yet still so deep. The characters are silly and ridiculous stereotypes that still manage to blossom into people that are more complex and multi-faceted than the average Calculus class, only much more fascinating and intense.
The end of that episode? With the two ridiculously stereotyped jocks bullying Kurt, and then Finn shows up to defend him, followed by all 10+ other members of the Glee club? All of them, in their dorky loser-ness defending their gay best friend. In that moment, Kurt was me in high school and for one of those rare occasions I felt proud to be a gay teen. Just like Artie makes people feel proud to be a handicapped teen with big dreams, or Quinn makes people feel not so ashamed about having gotten pregnant in high school.
Dorky, outcast teens like I was needed this show to shine through all of the vapid Jersey Shore BS and shallowness of shows targeted at others their age, just like the 80’s teens needed Sixteen Candles or Breakfast Club.
Toby
@jeffree:
Good to know. I’m somewhat new here and was TOTALLY loving it…now…
Like an ex-boyfriends of mine…Queerty is ONLY oversensitive when I disagree with him…no matter how politely I do it.
After two weeks and three posts, I’m already looking for a better site (aka, one that is ran by adults).
MP
All due respect to “Davey Wavey”- and I respect personal opinions – but this is a guy who thinks transcendence involves no shirt and an annoying voice. I could give a fig as to his opinion and I’m sure the only people who do are those who are so shallow and lonely that they find deep spiritual meaning in his posts because he’s almost nude. As for being faggy, I guess no one ever told Davey that people who live in glass houses shouldn’t suck dick.
Jonathan
NO ONE CARES ABOUT WHAT THAT DOUCHEBAG THINKS! ENOUGH WITH DAVEY WAVEY BS!!!!
I guess I will stick to towleroad.com
ohmygaga
What a vapid wanker. How many more of these must we endure?
Toby
@PopSnap:
I understand your POV. And that’s really awesome that you got that from the show.
But I also would just ONCE like to see a gay teen character on TV that’s not lusting after a cute straight friend.
On that note, I would also like to see a story were both gay boyfriends live at the end…AND no gay man gets ask for their sperm…so a lesbian can have a baby (seriously, that’s why I thought they called us gay…cause we don’t have kids).
In fact I think Glee would have been FAR better if they would have made Finn secretly gay (like the VAST majority of gay kids are like in HS) and Kurt a slightly less flamboyant straight kid.
That would be something I haven’t seen OVER AND OVER AND OVER again.
Yuki
I think Kurt was going MAJORLY overboard, and needs to apologize and get over it. That being said, I do also think Finn was in the wrong for starting to go off with the “faggy” this and “faggy” that. Both are at fault.
Toby
LOL did you guys hide my comment (#13) because I agreed with someone who was disagreeing with me? Or did you guys do it because I was talking about how Queerty was “moderating” me?
WOW, I must have REALLY hit a little too close to home for some of you…
Gosh, at this point, I don’t know who I dislike the most, the site for trying to censor me in their passive-aggressive way or…
the site’s community (I’m sure full of employees), who aggressively tries to censor other peoples opinions.
Meh, You guys can have Wavy Davy all to yourselves.
thedarkchariot
That whole thing was just uncomfortable. Finn’s outburst and use of the word “faggy” was not appropriate but is not baseless. We have already established Finn as a gay-friendly character, and this outburst comes from the stress of the bullying of the football team and Kurt’s sexual advances. Finn’s “faggy” outburst was just in the heat of anger. It’s temporary and not reflective of his sweet personality.
On the other hand, Kurt is being downright creepy with his crush on Finn. And this crush storyline has been affecting Kurt’s characterization. The problem here is that this crush is a deep part of Kurt’s personality and it’s establishing Kurt as conniving, obsessive, and stalkerish. I don’t see Kurt as a sympathetic character right now. Wanting to convert Finn was excusable for one episode – commenting on Kurt’s confusion and teenage awkwardnesss – but right now, it went from cringy-and-humorous to stalker-creepy. The writers need Kurt to grow up fast to redeem him.
Just introduce Kurt’s boyfriend already, goddamit!
Sean
I am so sick of this b*tch. Why do you keep posting what this idiot thinks. My God, makes me embarassed to be queer.
Aaron
@Sean: Because Davey Wavey and Queerty have an “arrangement”. That’s why!
MJ
I think ya’ll are forgetting this TV show is about High School students… this show is about figuring out who you are. Stop hating.
D'oh, The Magnificent
@ROBinNYC: The minute Finn made gay seem like a bad thing is the minute FInn became the bad guy. The fact you may be sexually attracted to the actor that plays the character does not make for a good reason. Sadly, I have to say that because I suspect much of the defense of Finn comes out of sexual attraction rather than honest evaluation. There was zero justification for his outburst regardless of whether Kurt had an attraction for him or not. People have crushed all the time. By the logic of the finn defenders, if someone were to call me “nigger” after I crushed on them, that would be justified because I crushed on them.
D'oh, The Magnificent
@Yuki: So, in response to something you do wrong like crushing on some guy (assuming you asian based on your screen name) can I call you “chink”? Just curious how wrong here works in your view.
D'oh, The Magnificent
@thedarkchariot: What’s your ethinic background. I want to call you something related to that when you do something wrong as a response to see whether you find the weighing of the “wrongness” to matter.
Sine
I watched one or two of Davey Wavey’s videos when they were first posted on Queerty and they were alright.
You do realize there are plenty more cute gay vloggers that you could profile on this site, right? Post Davey Wavey occasionally, if you really have to, but there’s more out there than just him and more variety would do Queerty and its readers some good.
ROBinNYC
“The fact you may be sexually attracted to the actor that plays the character does not make for a good reason.”
Wait. WHAT? Attracted to the bloated, baggy-eyed 28-year-old who has no business playing a high school student? Not. Quite.
And the fact that the entire point of the scene was to let Finn (and the audience) know that calling someone a fag is the same as calling them ‘nigger’, ‘retard’, ‘chink’, ‘kike’ or any other hideous word.
hephaestion
@ROBinNYC: Rob in NYC is 100% correct. Still, I found the father’s speech to be mind-blowingly wonderful and I don’t recall ever hearing anything so wonderful on American TV before. My only complaint with Glee is that there is only ONE gay guy in the Glee Club. Seriously. Even in Wachatoochie Alabama the Glee Club has at least 3 gay guys in it.
As for Wavey Davey, I am not interested in him, but good luck to him whatever he does.
Hilarious
I don’t give a flip about Davey Wavey so I’ll ignore that part and just talk about Glee.
I love this show and wish self-hating homos would shut up already about Kurt being “creepy”. If Kurt is creepy than so were you in high school.
Give it a rest. To say you never had a crush on a straight guy, flirted with a straight guy, or even hit on a straight guy as a confused teen in high school is a flat out LIE!
There is nothing creepy about Kurt and that was the point of his father’s reaction. The “faggy” comments were only the surface to his father’s message, it went deeper than that, and apparently over some of your heads if you really didn’t get it.
Kurt and all gay men have a human RIGHT to be attracted to other men and we shouldn’t feel ashamed or have to deny it. That’s what his father’s message was all about.
Kurt schemed the same way the other teens scheme to get with each other on the show. Give me a freaking break.
Was Puck scheming to get Mercedes creepy? Was Rachel scheming to get Finn creepy? Was Finn scheming to get Rachel creepy? It goes on and on.
Stop hating yourselves you sound like morons calling Kurt “creepy”.
There is nothing creepy about a gay male having feelings and trying to find ways to get the guy he likes to notice him.
Finn screwed up big time and made up for it by the end of the show. Did he sexually interact with Kurt to make up for what he did? No, so untwist your panties, and wrap your mind around reality.
Jon
Yeah stop with this Davey fella. He’s lame. If you were trying to make him the next big fad you failed at your mission.
fredo777
I don’t know what alternate universe I stepped into, but Finn was totally the “bad guy” in that outburst, which was way out of line. Burt, as Kurt’s father, was not going overboard, either. He handled the situation as he should have handled it, in my opinion. I wouldn’t have someone living in my house who went off on my son like that, no matter how “creepy” he felt Kurt’s crush was.
Finn could have just had a direct talk with Kurt + told him that he didn’t want any more of his advances + that he made him uncomfortable, but the “faggy” this + “faggy” that were out of order. Not to mention, this was all after the jocks made Finn feel “faggy” for wearing his KISS makeup, so that probably played into his worry of being perceived as gay.
In the end, Finn defended Kurt later, but I’m judging by the outburst scene + in that instance, he was in the wrong.
TheAwfulTruth
For all I care, I’ll flush “Glee” with Davey Gravy down the toilet.
Toby
@Hilarious:
My only question to you is…Did any of the other characters force the other unwilling character into their bedroom?
I mean, there’s a difference between youthful yearning and literally forcing yourself onto someone.
At this point, Kurt slipping Finn a Roofy is not completely out of the question.
They took the story arc too far because it’s a pre-internet stereotype (all the gay writers are in the 40s and 50s on the show YET they’re writing about a HS in 2010).
I have to agree 100% with thedarkchariot post…one episode, great, but a 4 to 6 story arc?
As thedarkchariot said “Just introduce Kurt’s boyfriend already, goddamit!”
I rather not say
Davey is a douchebag idiot. Trust me on that one. But more power to him for having a great body and keeping a fabulous video blog. Express yourself!
Toby
OK I only got two last thing to say about this particular episode of Glee…and it’s about the production.
First, 300 dollars and that was the best Kurt could do? FIRE the Art Director.
And second, are you telling me that Kurt only has ONE Lady Gaga outfit? FOX, stop being cheap, spend a little on wardrobe.
Yuki
@D’oh, The Magnificent:
I’m not Asian, no, but I understand your comment.
I also said that I think they’re BOTH wrong. Kurt is being incredibly overbearing and creepy, moreso than any of the other people in the show who have conspired to get their crush; he even gets their PARENTS together so he could have a shot at Finn, who he knows (and I could’ve sworn had gotten over earlier in the season!) is straight.
That being said, while Finn has every right to be uncomfortable and angry, he has no right to start throwing around “faggy” this and “faggy” that. Instead of telling Kurt to back off, that he’s not comfortable, he just EXPLODES, which while somewhat understandable, was not the right thing, in my eyes, to do.
Again: they’re both at fault. Finn should have talked to Kurt; Kurt should not have been so overbearing and stalkery.
D'oh, The Magnificent
@Toby: I love how you make up shit that didn’t actually happen in the story to justify your opinion of the actual story. Why don’t we all just make up stories to justify ourselves
.@Yuki: There is no equivalence here because boys that age have crushes on people. Kurt’s “offense” is that he didn’t live by some social propriety that gay men develop about being gay, and thus, you are projecting those issues into the situation here. What I mean is that were Kurt attracted to a girl or a girl attracted to him, you would think of the acts as innocent. But it being gay, you project also social stigma.
Finn on th eother hand has no such natural justification. His again is based on not on what teens do, but what society has told him to do. He’s reacting to the fact other boys thought him faggy. The two are not equivalent.
D'oh, The Magnificent
@Yuki: Let me just add, I find it incredibly sad how much internalized issues gay men develop for what heterosexual consider natural behavior like crushes and what one is willing to do for crushes. The whole “but Finn” is straight argument is beyond odd to me because it assumes that people develop crushes only on those people who will reciprocate. Crushes are natural when one is their teens, and yet, many would deny gay men that same level of natural emotions because of the lack of ability to actual date Finns of the world? I just don’t see these behaviors as stalking since I have not seen them as stalking in the million other straight stories that have used these devides. THe part that is pathos is where we come to see being gay as somehow a reason alone to act diffferently than everyone else. Why is that? from where does this coloring of behavior such that you equate natural crushes and reaction to crushes to bigotted responses to those crushes? As someone else said, the right thing to do was not to act like a bigot, but instead say ‘I am not interested.” that’s not what finn did.
drewbrown
@D’oh, The Magnificent: You’re missing the point a lot of us are making, which is that Kurt’s actions are over-the-top whether he is a boy or a girl. Getting your parents together, trying to share a bedroom and decorating it so you can have a little lovenest? Long after the object of your affection has made it clear he is not interested? It’s NOT OK. It would not be OK if it were Rachel doing it, and it’s not OK with Kurt doing it. And to answer an earlier question you asked, YES IT WAS TOTALLY creepy when Puck was hitting on Mercedes just because she’s black. But Puck is always kind of creepy, so we expect that. But Kurt is usually not creepy, so his incredibly inappropriate, overbearing, borderline stalkerish behavior is shocking and unexpected… it doesn’t matter whether it’s a boy or a girl behaving this way. If you want to make it about “internalized homophobia” or whatever, then go right ahead… but you’re wrong. No one said Kurt can’t have the crush, but he already knows Finn is not interested (not just because Finn is straight, but because he said so!), so pursuing it beyond that is in appropriate.
drewbrown
@D’oh, The Magnificent: I don’t think I meant to address my last post to you… I was reading the comments via e-mail, and they weren’t coming through in order… that last post was addressed to the person saying Kurt’s actions were acceptable and we’re all just a bunch of self-hating internalized homophobes.
Toby
@D’oh, The Magnificent:
What?
D'oh, The Magnificent
@drewbrown: Sorry, but think its a lot of internalize bullshit too. And no, I don’t buy that you would have a problem with this girl or boy. The truth is this sort of behavior is typical of kids that age. Its not particularly “creepy” as some are saying unless you are adding a hell of a lot of baggage to it.
Steve in Colorado
D-W epitomizes body-obsessed hairless freaks who think their every thought and utterance is NEW, enlightened and interesting. To boot, he is stuck on his eternal cute-boyness, talking with valley girl cadence through a mouthful of bleach.
He’s a “bimboy” who can’t stop filming herself, and doesn’t know the age-old axiom: “You can be stupid and nobody will know, unless you insist on opening your mouth.”
thedarkchariot
@D’oh, The Magnificent:
Thanks DrewBrown, I’m with you on this one. Again, both are at fault. I’m not excusing Finn at all, but you can see where he is coming from. Kurt’s behaviors are inappropriate – reiterating, he has setup his and Finn’s parents together and made them room together. If Kurt were wooing a girl (or if Kurt was a girl wooing a guy) it would still be creepy.
The only example I can think of now is Val from Will and Grace. Val (played by the lovely Molly Shannon) was Jack’s stalker and at one point was waiting for Jack inside his apartment – with a vial of his bathwater around her neck, in fact. It’s the same idea of invading (and in Kurt’s case, forcing a merge of) someone’s private space, despite Finn making it clear he is not interested, that crosses the line.
So, because he is forcefully invading Finn’s personal space this is no longer excusable by attributing it to a “teenage-crush”. Teenage crush is writing love letters, not choosing throw pillows.
I hope to god that this buildup of crazy for Kurt is just a lead up to his frustration of not being able to find a boyfriend, setting the audience up for the introduction of Kurt’s boyfriend. Next episode, Kurt needs to clearly articulate that he is over Finn.
Sidenote: Anybody find Kurt’s character just not that great and kinda disappointing? I personally love Marshall on United States of Tara so much better. My teenage years weren’t like Kurt’s, they were like Marshall’s.
Yuki
@D’oh, The Magnificent:
Where on earth did I say this entire thing was because of Kurt having a crush/being gay? I’ve had crushes on straight guys during my lifetime, but I never tried to get relatives to date so I could be closer to them, nor did I try to force myself upon them. The problem here has nothing to do with the fact that Kurt has a crush, nor that his crush hasn’t gone away: it’s because he is being creepy. Nobody I’ve known, straight or gay, has ever been as creepy as Kurt is being toward Finn.
I think Finn is at fault for this outburst; he should have outright told Kurt that he’s not interested, that it won’t happen, and so on. However, he HAS made it rather obvious that he is straight, and Kurt’s continuing crush is fine, but NOT his creepy, possessive, manipulative behavior. It wouldn’t be fine if a girl did it to a guy, nor a guy to a girl, nor a guy to a guy: Kurt is being creepy. It has nothing to do with his sexuality, nor the fact that he has a crush; it has everything to do with the fact that he is being creepy.
Chris L.
Count on gay people who LOVE drama to turn a PRO GAY episode that was one of the most touching, sympathetic (toward gay), open minded (toward gay) and educational (toward gay youth) things ever shown on U.S T.V history and turn it around and make the gay guy the bad guy. Yes, because you “str8 acting” gays are sooooooooooo much more normal, and mainstream, and decent than gay teens who crush on straight teens and act on it. Being a 16 year old gay guy who hits on a cute 17 year old straight guy doesn’t make you creepy…it makes you A REAL TEENAGER. To think otherwise DOES show homophobic (or self loathing homophobic) tendencies that you may have to reevaluate on your own cuz you’re not my charity case and this isnt’ the time….but to make it sound as though straight teenagers in high school DON’T get overly agressive in their approach to each other and it’s suddenly shocking and completely unfounded in teens is a bunch of BS to cover what you’re really trying to articulate “….a gay guy has no place hitting on anyone, or even showing they are a sexual being”
I don’t even believe half of you supporting Finn screaming “FAGGY” for minutes even really believe in him being right, but you’re just playing devil’s advocate as many gay posters on gay blogs and forums do (“I’ll support the STRAIGHT cause because I want to be different and go against the grain and add a touch of spice and drama to the comments section”)
The ATL Boy
@Yuki: “Kurt’s creepy, possessive, manipulative behavior”
Uhhh exagerate much sweetie? It’s a damn campy, comedy, SHOW….you do realize it’s a SHOW right? and no, Kurt is a lovable character who is hormonal and a teenager. That comes with the territory. You sounds downright angry at Kurt and I can’t help but agree with other posters in that there may be some personalized homophobia there. The passion you have behind your beating up of Kurt’s character is something I highly doubt you would have had it been Rachel toward Finn. I’m sure you’d chalk that up as typical teenage lust. Kurt toward Finn? ‘creepy, possessive, manipulative behavior’…I agree with many comments above. It’s your tone toward Kurt that is telling. I liken it to straight men who get violent toward transgenders when realizing they are men. Something tells me you’d support that violence too.
Hugo Quezel Poirier
@Chris L.:
You completely miss the point.
Normal people (gay or not) do not make someone’s mother date their father in hopes that they will move in together so that they get a shot with that person!
Then try to find any opportunity to HIT on that person even if they staten their complete disinterest to them in the first place.
Redecorate the bedroom into a lovenest for them both.
And then act all victim-like when they are confronted by an exasperated victim.
It’s not about Kurt being gay ,
it’s about him being an ultra-creep!
If you think his behaviour was normal , then I’m staying FAR away from you , that’s for sure.
Sure the word “faggy” came out . But that was caused by exasperation! Everyone is a little hateful when they’re angry!
D'oh, The Magnificent
@Chris L.: I agree with your post. Hence, why I am thinking I am going to not respond to the people making assertions that its not about him being gay. I saw a cartoon,
I believe at Joe My God, in which the gay character jokes I saw a gay teen on tv today, and that almost made up for the 2700 representations of straight teens I saw today too.
This reminds a lot of the gay idiots who were defending ABC regarding their issue with Adam Lamberts performance. I believe that was ABC. At the time they said it wasn’t because he’s gay and blah, blah, blah. I say blah, blah, blah because you knew it was lie even as they were saying it. A part of the lie is to then deny what’s obvious. They ignore the same depictions if it is straight that they then spend a great deal of time saying bothers them about straight characters. So, those 2700 representations to them go unobjected to, but the one gay one becomes a cause for them to claim things that go against basic teen behavior. Or, in the case of Lambert, attacking him for a provocative performance that it turns out Pink had done a few years before without any one including the gays bitching about it.
This is how deep the self bigotry goes. They don’t even probably realize they are acting in a bigotted manner when watching gay behavior. In their minds, I am sure they really do think Kurt was creepy and all those others things. BUt what it really shows is their discomfort with gay sexuality. Sure, if its something they can do in the dark with their own partners- then its okay. BUt heaven forbid it be treated just like every other teen acting on his feelings. No, the mere acting is enough to be described as creepy or stalking.
At some point, when I read what these people say who claim not to be internalized homophobes or listen to them, I shake my head. Its so deep in them that they can’t even see it.
I went on dates with guys like this in my 20s. they would say things that were so obviously baggage from them not being comfortable with being gay. “I can’t get married because gay men shouldn’t …” “Gay men are too sexual …” And on and on and on. All of it was not based on what they wanted or felt, but what society tells them they should feel, and at some point they can not even realize that they are just mimicking that. Indeed, they start to think thats the way everyone works. When the truth is, the very fact they don’t see the double standard that they are creating (that they don’t know notice the behavior in heterosexuals) tells all about what’s motivating them.
for you guys who still don’t get it- the variance in your response to gay characters versus straight tells us you have are internalized homophobes. I don’t expect you to admit it. In fact, you don’t need to. Your own behavior speaks for itself.
Tom
Why can’t you homos actually appreciate the positive point toward gays and especially young gays of this episode? Does everything have to be a big production. The morale of this episode was that it is not okay to gay bash, and certainly not okay to use derogatory gay terms. No comments about thoe positives because some of you are too busy defending the straight guy?
And you wonder why Prop 8 passed?
The gay communities longing to be part of the straight community manifests itself to some desperate homos batting for the straight team before they ever fetch a bone to their own community and that right there is our biggest enemy. I sincerely wish straight fixated gays would go back in the closet, if for nothing else, to not ruin a perfectly gay friendly television moment and turn it into yet another “the gay is bad” This was one moment where the straight was in the wrong, from the bullies to Finn’s outurst, but count on some self loathing homos to turn it around and make the straight “bro” the victim. Same gays who probably use terms like “str8 acting” I bet.
D'oh, The Magnificent
@Hugo Quezel Poirier: Do you watch TV? Do you watch TV? Have you hung out ever as a teen?
This is a plot that’s happened on multiple shows involving straight characters. Every action you can describe is something that a straight character has done without anyone raising or batting an eye.
The nutty part is you don’t even see how you notice the gay kid doing it but not the thousands of other representation of straight kids doing exactly things, down to the exact same plot.
You can type and type and type- you aren’t going to convince you aren’t a homophobe. The reason is that the exact same behaviors unless you are stuck in a bubble are routinely acted out by all sorts of kids, and indeed, no one feels the need to say something hateful that’s meant to go to the nature of what Kurt is rather than the crush.
That’s what makes you a bigot. That you are using the crush as an excuse for why Finn attacks ALL gays because that’s what he is doing and what the father is lashing out at. That the mere act of doing something- picking a lamp is “faggy.” Not that Finn says to Kurt “Dude, I am straight and not interested” but that he called Kurt “faggy” There is absolutely nothing you can say to rationalize this response in relationship to Kurt’s behavior. Why? Because the response was unnecessary. It was per see the bigots response. Your response under the circumstance is an example o a bigot not getting why he is a bigot too.
D'oh, The Magnificent
@The ATL Boy: The thing is that I don’t think they really see how they have two sets of standards. They really think this is about Kurt’s behavior rather than their emotional response to Kurt’s behavior.
What’s more scary is that they think whatever they view of Kurt’s behavior that this is a response to what Finn did. If we were in a court of law, I would liken it to someone saying “Well, but I was justified in what I did because the bitch deserved it for what she did to me” kind of response. There is no justification ultimately for what Finn said. There were so many other ways he could have said it. Yet he choose the bigot’s response. That’s what they are supporting here by continually saying “yeah but.”
Even if one buys their argument about Kurt, it does not explain why that remotely makes Finn’s behavior not that of a bigot.
Tom
D’OH you make perfect sense. You speak for many gay people and come with a sense of life behind your words whereas Yuki and DrewBrown and Toby, who sound to be the exact same person anyway, really speak in theory. Many gay teens have hit on straight ones, many more straight teens have accepted their offers and there’s gay and straight people ‘experimenting’ as we speak today. This melodramatic reaction toward Kurt is nothing short of deep rooted self hatred and homophobia, especially when same said person fails to mention the beautiful story about a father’s acceptance toward his gay teenage son. Unity. Embracing differences and beyond all, anti gay bullying in high schools which is an epedemic occuring today. To any poster who failed to underline these points highlighted in the show only to attack Kurt and his sp called creepy behavior (a term homophobes use to describe gay relations) is in direct correlation with homophobia.
Bubba
Im through with this show and its stereotypes. Crap.
D'oh, The Magnificent
@Tom: Indeed, Finn realizes that he was wrong in the end. He was okay to say he’s not interested in Kurt. That’s not what he was saying, however, when he used the term “faggy.’ He wasn’t just saying “i am not into you.” He was saying “there is something wrong with you being you.” And the good thing is that the charcter, if not his fans, got that.
Sprocket
I don’t think Kurt was being creepy. He was invasive and annoying and he clearly lacks empathy for other characters. But creepy? No. Following the path of the character, he’s obviously living in a fantasy world and quite an innocent one at that. He’s never kissed anyone before except that girl. As cartoonish as the writers make his arc out to be, I think there is more than enough depth to his character to be explored.
Finn needed to speak out but Kurt is hardly the sole one to blame. Finn’s mother could have been more sympathetic to the nature of the change and Kurt’s dad could have bought a “two and a half bathroom house” with more than 2 bedrooms. (seriously, what’s up with that?)
daxxter
1) Davey Wavey (sorry but that name is an epic WIN on the Lameness meter. I mean really, how old are you!)… I don’t feel is a role model, at least not for me… So, I could care less what he thinks.
2) As far as Glee standing up to impossible gay standards of representation, good acting, role models and all the other bullshit… again, I say WHO CARES!
It’s just a show on tv, love it or hate it.
It’s not the holy bloody bible, it’s not the next messiah, it’s not going to change your life by watching it, or not watching it. If you find its insulting… use your index finger to change the bloody channel.
It’s just a show. UNCLENCH people!
Yuki
My god, how on earth is me saying I found Kurt’s behavior being creepy translating to “I’M STR8-ACTING I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD BE KURT IS BAD BECAUSE HE’S GAY”?
I said NOTHING of the sort.
I think ANYBODY acting like Kurt is would be creepy to me. It’s completely regardless of sexuality. At first it was cute that he had a crush on Finn, and I felt sorry for Kurt that Finn would never like him back. Then it was funny with he’d flirt with Finn, and again, I felt sorry that Finn wouldn’t like him back.
But then he managed to get his dad together with Finn’s mom just to be able to move in with Finn and attempt to get him to like him. THAT’S where the creepy part for me starts. I can put aside the show’s nonrealistic portions, for the vast majority of it; who goes around school in a bubble outfit for several days? But this part was just creepy to me, and seeming to make Kurt a caricature rather than an actual three-dimensional character.
Where on earth, though, did I ever say Finn was right? He has every right to be creeped out, but no right to start yelling and screaming, especially not homophobic slurs. I believe I’ve said this MULTIPLE times, and if you guys don’t have basic reading comprehension, that’s just too damn bad. I find Kurt’s behavior manipulative and possessive. I find Finn’s reaction wildly inappropriate as well, and I’m glad Kurt’s dad got pissed at him, though I do believe that Kurt needs to apologize for going overboard as well. BOTH are at fault, and it has nothing to do with sexuality.
Again: it has nothing to do with sexuality. YOU guys are the ones making the behavior about sexuality rather than the behavior itself. If anyone, anyone were to have done this same sort of thing, I would ALSO find that creepy.
Do I need to say it yet another time? THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SEXUALITY AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE BEHAVIOR ITSELF. FINN’S REACTION WAS COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE (another simple rejection would have been MUCH better) BUT KURT’S BEHAVIOR IN MANIPULATING HIS AND FINN’S PARENTS JUST TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A PASS AT HIM WAS ALSO INAPPROPRIATE. This does not translate to “Finn was completely justified, Kurt is a stupid little fag!”, or any other bigoted response. What I am saying is what I have said MULTIPLE times. BOTH ARE AT FAULT.
I support no violence of any kind, The ATL Boy. Nowhere have I said that, nor have I ever even implied that. All that I have said is that Finn’s reaction was inappropriate, I am glad that Kurt’s dad told him off, and I feel that Kurt’s manipulative behavior is downright creepy and is making the character harder to sympathize with. Before this, he was cute and fun and I wanted nothing other for him to be happy. Now, I still DO want him to be happy, but to me, nothing in his manipulations of his father and Finn’s mother in order to be closer and maybe even turn Finn gay is cute.
Yet another time: IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH KURT’S SEXUALITY.
For the record, I’m my own poster; I only post under this name.