@Charles J. Mueller: Okay, since you have revised the comment, I agree that that it changes the meaning significantly. I am pleased with the new meaning it has taken on, as I do enjoy conversing with you. I am no longer offended by that sentence.
As far as getreal’s responses on that other thread, I think it’s a case of you and I reading them differently. I’m willing to grant you the possibility that my desire to see my fellow GLBT people in as positive a light as possible may have coloured my perceptions, but I, personally, did not take her comments as personal attacks on anyone. Instead, what I saw was frustration in action, and I can empathize with that, because there have been many times in my life when the attitudes of others have frustrated me. I’m not saying she handled the situation 100% effectively; I’m just saying I understand why it happened the way it did.
As far as this thread goes, I did read all the comments before I posted, but I was too tired to get into a dissection at that point. I have errands to run today or I’d go ahead and post my thoughts on this conversation. As it stands, I’ll simply have to get to that later, if the Universe is willing to permit me the luxury. The only reason I responded at all was because I thought you had taken my last post on the other thread the wrong way, and I wanted to clarify the situation to ease my own mind. Re-reading my post above, I can see how it might not look entirely pleasant. My only excuse is that the more tired I am, the more emotional I tend to get (don’t ask how many times a simple song has driven me to weep, even instrumentals), and your comment bothered me.
To further clarify my position, because it’s something else that has been on my mind since last night, while I generally agree with your position on christianity, I still believe that your anger is not focused enough to be constructive, at least some of the time. I stand by my previous (implied) statements, that I do not believe gay-positive christians of any orientation are a bad thing. I do not agree with their spiritual views, but I do believe that an ally is an ally, and that our energies are better spent attacking and demonizing the homophobes, no matter what creed they choose to follow.
I come from a family that is heavily comprised of people who are constantly feuding with someone, within the family or not, over petty issues. I would say that’s why I have a tendency to try to play the peacekeeper, at least among people whose company I enjoy. While I would hardly see that as a flaw, I also see how some people would get the wrong idea about me because of it. My only desire thus far has been to attempt to facilitate reasonable discussion with my GLBT brothers and sisters as far as the subject of religion goes. It’s a topic I enjoy exploring, and have for years.
Other than that, when things start getting personal, I generally tend to step back and let them play out if they don’t concern me directly. Philosophical positions aside, the feud between you and getreal has nothing to do with me, and I have affection for the both of you for various reasons. The last thing I was or am interested in would be trying to pick a side. I could very easily get in-depth and describe the flaws I’ve seen on both sides of this situation, but it has not been asked for, or called for, and I make a conscious effort every day to avoid being seen as a busybody. It’s a personal issue between the two of you, and while it does concern me on occasion, you’re both adults and it isn’t my place to interfere.
I don’t doubt that getreal and I will disagree on something at some point. We’ve already disagreed on plenty as it is. Do I think she will ever “turn on me,” as you phrase it? I’d like to think not, considering we seem to have a pretty good understanding between us so far. As long as she and I are getting along, I see no reason to go after her in anything other than a logical. ideological sense.
I don’t condemn you for taking offense at some of her comments. I think it’s only natural that some people would now and then. But I also don’t condemn her for taking offense to some of yours. I believe that both of you have a tendency to let your emotions get the better of you, and that rarely leads to anything but problems.
I have to go now, but I think I’ve gone on long enough already for you to get where I’m coming from here. I may revisit the original subject of this thread’s discussion later, depending on how this shopping excursion goes (I hate grocery shopping). For the time being, though, I’m inclined to sit out the drama between you two. I don’t have the stamina right now which jumping in the middle of this mess requires. I hope you understand my position.