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GOP Audience, Santorum Insult Gay Soldier Serving In Iraq

Stephen Hill, an openly gay soldier currently serving in Iraq, submitted the following question to last night’s Fox News/Google’s GOP debate: “Do you plan to circumvent the progress that has been made for gay and lesbian soldiers in the military?” Several audience members booed the soldier right before Rick Santorum said, “Sexual activity has absolutely no place in the military.”

Yes, Republicans booing an U.S. soldier. We have just reached a new low, America.

Santorum did not bother to thank Hill for his service nor did he admonish the jeers from the audience. Instead he continued to disrespect Hill by going straight into the sort of answer you’d expect from him:

“Yeah, I would say that any type of sexual activity has absolutely no place in the military. And the fact that they are making it a point to include it as a provision within the military—that we are going to recognize a group of people and give them a special privilege in removing ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.’ I think tries to inject social policy into the military and the military’s job is to defend our country. We need to give the military, which is all volunteer, the ability to do so in a way that is most efficient and protective of our men and women in uniform and I believe this undermines that ability.”

Thunderous applause and cheers erupted from the audience before the dunderhead had even finished answering.

But let’s take a second to consider the overwhelming idiocy of his position.

First, he thinks our armed forces aren’t having sex with each other. Yes, they’re all celibates, Richard—all of them—because sexually frustrated soldiers fight like tigers. Second, about that group of people looking for recognition and the privilege to serve their country… they’re called Americans. And by trying to oust certain Americans from serving, Rick is trying to inject his own social policy into the military. But he’s OK with that because the National Organization of Marriage asked him to.

Megyn Kelly followed up by asking Santorum, “So what would you do with soldiers like Stephen Hill? I mean, now he’s out… So what would you do as President?”

And Santorum dribbles out this dreck:

Look, what we’re doing is playing social experimentation with our military right now and that’s tragic. I would just say that going forward we would reinstitute that policy if Rick Santorum was president, period.”

Then he immediately contradicts himself by saying:

“And as far as people who are in it, I would not throw them out because that would be unfair to them because of the policy of this administration. But we would move forward in conformity with what was happening in the past which was sex is not an issue. It should not be an issue. Leave it alone. Keep it to yourself. Whether you’re heterosexual or homosexual.

OK, so let’s play this game one more time…

So Israel, which has allowed gays in its military since 1993, has been playing around with “social experimentation” all this time? As President, Santorum might want to tell their Prime Minister that. And naturally Santorum would object to American troops serving with troops from the United Kingdom or Australia seeing as their armies are such tragic risks. No, he would rather our army were more like Iran’s and North Korea’s with absolutely no homos.

And when Dick Santorum reinstates “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” he will allow the current, openly gay soldiers to remain openly gay (because that’s only fair), but any new gay recruits—no way (because that’s only fair too). So anyone who enters the military between September 20th 2011 and January 1st 2013 can be totes gay. But anyone after that better stay closeted and butch it up. That should be easy to enforce.

Lastly, he poops out this thoughtless turd: “But we would move forward in conformity with what was happening in the past which was sex is not an issue.”

So Santorum would move the American military “forward” by reinstating a policy from almost 20 years ago, but he also thinks that until 3 days ago sex was not an issue in the military. Wow. We know several thousands of raped female soldiers who might disagree with him. Of course, sex wasn’t an issue to Santorum when it was just straight male soldiers raping women. But when two gay soldiers have consensual sex, that is an issue.

And what’s worse is that by being such a moron, Santorum has gotten us to actually agree with a statement from GOProud:

“Tonight, Rick Santorum disrespected our brave men and women in uniform, and he owes Stephen Hill, the gay soldier who asked him the question about Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell repeal, an immediate apology.

“That brave gay soldier is doing something Rick Santorum has never done–put his life on the line to defend our freedoms and our way of life. It is telling that Rick Santorum is so blinded by his anti-gay bigotry that he couldn’t even bring himself to thank that gay soldier for his service.

“Stephen Hill is serving our country in Iraq, fighting a war Senator Santorum says he supports. How can Senator Santorum claim to support this war if he doesn’t support the brave men and women who are fighting it?”

For the love of sweet Baby Jesus, please don’t ever stop clicking on this link.

Images via Instinct Magazine and Think Progress

By:           Daniel Villarreal
On:           Sep 23, 2011
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  • 76 Comments
    • gollygeegaygoy
      gollygeegaygoy

      Stephen Hill: Hero. Rick Santorum: Zero.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 5:43 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Pat Duffy
      Pat Duffy

      And folks are SURPRISED about these people!?!? As far as I’m concerned a Gay Repug is no different than a Jewish person working with the Nazis during WWII(and there were. There will always be slimeballs that’ll do ANYTHING to personally Survive…for a time).

      Sep 23, 2011 at 6:27 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • adam
      adam

      “I would say that any type of sexual activity has absolutely no place in the military.”

      In twenty years, that statement is going to sound like George Wallace’s “Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever” sounds today: ignorant, retrograde, irrelevant.

      Something like seventy percent of the youngest generation of voters approves of gay marriages, and DADT’s repeal is already part of the historical record.

      That thunderous applause was the sound of Republicans losing American centrist voters.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 6:53 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Pep, Italy
      Pep, Italy

      No.2 – your comment is out of order – any comparison between Nazis and the Holocaust and the conservative movement is completely misplaced.

      You are obviously severely lacking in historical background making such outrageous comparisons – you may or not agree with gay Republicans but they are not helping the systematic deportation, torture and extermination of other homosexuals.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 6:55 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mar
      Mar

      Forget Santorum’s answer and the cheers afterwards. What I found shocking was the booing of the soldier! That was pure evil.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 7:02 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • rf
      rf

      The comparison of the current GOP and their gay supporters and the Nazis and their Jewish supporters isn’t so far off. Just because we’re not at the point of the gas chambers yet does not mean that some of those on the Repug side aren’t working or wishing for that eventuality. This essay by a former Republican operative exposes quite a bit of the similarities between the current GOP and 20th century ideological European movements. It’s been featured all over the internet and covered by tons of mainstream sites like huffpost. So its not just the rantings of one guy.

      http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779

      Sep 23, 2011 at 7:35 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Robert in NYC
      Robert in NYC

      This is the face of the republican party that includes the civil libertarians and tea party scumbaggers. Disgusting, bigoted and unacceptable, and gay republicans, an oxymoron if ever there were, continue voting for this party, no matter if they’re civil libertarians or tea partyers. It’s beyond self-loathing to cast one vote for them. The civil libertarian party I might add supports DOMA in states which legislate for it. Now how sick is that? To think it’s filled with gays is even more sickening.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 7:56 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Tom
      Tom

      Pep, you must not be aware of what “Christian Republican” members of the United States’ House and Senate have done in Uganda to push for legislation making homosexuality a capital crime. Gogle “C St.” Just because these people are “Christo-fascists” does not make them any less dangerous than any other fascists. If they did not envision jailing and killing homosexuals, why did they push for it in Uganda and what makes you think that they would not do it in this country if they had the power to do so? What closeted homosexuals cannot stamp out within themselves, they try to stamp out in society. Hetersexual men do not obsess about homosexual men they way these gay-haters do. Sooner or later all of these anti-Gay crusaders get caught puffing on the Pink El Producto or trying to. Look at the many anti-Gay politicians and clergy tripped up by their own libido, like the “Wide Stance Senator”, the “Luggage Lifter” guy in Florida, “Bishop” Eddie Long and Rev. Haggard.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 8:02 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • the crustybastard
      the crustybastard

      “we are going to recognize a group of people and give them a special privilege in removing ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.’

      It’s a “special privilege” to make a nullity of an unconstitutional ban targeting a minority on the basis of a not-professionally-related identity characteristic?

      Wow. That’s some real “Stormfront” logic there, Rick. Whatcha been reading lately, sport?

      @Pep, Italy: “any comparison between Nazis and the Holocaust and the conservative movement is completely misplaced.

      Hm. Completely? Because Nazis weren’t conservative, or because Nazi’s were never known for selecting certain minorities for special treatment? You do know that one of the first thing Nazi’s did was kick Jews out of the military and enact a marriage ban? Not to put too fine a point on it.

      Perhaps you are arguing on behalf of the principle that nobody should ever metaphorically invoke the term “Nazi” unless and until the new group has a fully realized murder industry in force? I should think by then it might be a bit late for political critiques.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 8:20 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • hf2hvit
      hf2hvit

      Nothing new from the Talibaggers

      Sep 23, 2011 at 8:24 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ChiGuy76
      ChiGuy76

      Mr. Frothy Mix is another red herring to make Rick Perry look like a reasonable alternative to President Obama. I just hope LGBT Americans do not throw labor, women, and racial minorities under a bus and vote for Mr. Perry.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 8:34 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • timncguy
      timncguy

      Honestly, what did you expect from another debate by these idiots?

      In debate one, the audience cheered wildly for capital punishment. In debate two, they cheered for allowing uninsured individuals to die rather than receive healthcare. Now they boo gay soldiers. This seems totally in keeping with their conduct to date. I can’t wait to see what topic the audience at the next debate weighs in on.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 8:39 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Gregorie
      Gregorie

      I love that, for the third time straight, audience reaction has gotten more attention in the press than the actual content of the debate.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 9:17 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • verybookish
      verybookish

      Mr Frothy Mix is clearly a complete moron with no decency.
      He’s never served in the military, and should be ashamed for not thanking Hill for serving.
      Yeah, there’s no sex in the military, because celibacy is something new recruits swear to for the duration of their service…. Oh, wait, they don’t….

      Sep 23, 2011 at 10:00 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      We need to make sure people like Rick never have power in this country.Otherwise this country will become a theocracy under this lunatics leadership.

      Stephen Hill is indeed a hero and should have been thanked but anything having to do with being gay Santorum like all the others shits on 24/7.

      He’s a disgusting waste of space and the redneck inbreds in the audience do not surprise me in the least.Stupid is as stupid does.If ignorance is bliss then all these people must be extremely happy.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 10:07 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • delurker
      delurker

      GOP base = vile filth

      That is all.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 10:09 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      This is a new low in Republican Party behavior. Thank goodness we have tapes of it. The booing should be played ad nauseum to remind Americans of the ugly smell at the heart of right-wing pandering Re-stench-icans, my new name for the Republican Party.

      Perhaps the most shocking thing is that none of the candidates refuted the booing.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 10:10 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jimmy Fury
      Jimmy Fury

      I literally stabbed my own desk watching that. I have never, ever, in my life had the overwhelming compulsion to stab something until now.
      I just….. jesus fucking christ that man’s stupidity is too much for me. “special privilege”?! what!? The special privilege of being treated the same as straight soldiers and not having a rule specifically designed to remove you from service for something that has absolutely no effect on your ability as a soldier and that never once had the “don’t ask” side upheld by the military!? THAT privilege?
      And fuck that audience. How fucking dare they boo an active service member? Where is the fucking media outrage at that? They booed a soldier. Holy fucking shit if a democratic audience had booed a soldier Rush, Coulter, and every talking head at Fox would have shit their pants and gone straight for the “TRAITORS! THEY’RE ALL TRAITORS!” line.

      I need to go hit things.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 10:12 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      Notice how that Republican Party stooge, Matt Drudge, has not mentioned this booing on his website, the Drudge Report. You can be sure that, had it been a Democratic Party audience booing a soldier, he would have had it in headlines.

      Drudge needs to stop using his enormous chin as a cum dumpster for the Republican Party creeps he panders to.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 10:25 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Robert in NYC
      Robert in NYC

      Not one word from Andrew Breitbart either! Not one word of condemnation from any republican in the House or Senate which proves they’re all in lockstep with right-wing radical extremism.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 10:31 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Oh Dear (John From England)
      Oh Dear (John From England)

      Gays have worked too hard in our country to have anything pushed back and now have power within the conservative party but STILL…don’t do what the UK has done and vote fo the right wing in some stupid knee-jerk irrational illogical selfish self-centered childish voting tactic. In fairness to us we knew how bad a right wing government would be and voted for a coalition with the liberals but then we are more sensible as a people then you guys who are really reactionary and emotive voters.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 10:39 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      for the first time in my life i am impressed with a statement from members of GOProud. I hope they continue to speak our more like this.
      I’d actually like to see (or it is hear?) GOProud address THE AUDIENCE that was there. I’d like to hear them not only call out the bigotry of Rick Santorum, and how shameful it is, but the bigotry of the audience members who jeered this brave soldier, and cheered on the bigotry of Rick Santorum.

      Because that’s part of the problem as well. Yes, Rick is bigoted. And legions cheer on that bigotry. This was a truly ugly moment in the lives of Mr. Santorum and all the audience members who showed their true colours by praising bigotry over bravery.

      We are at a moment in history where our “leaders” need to actually lead – and that means calling out Bigotry and Mistruths in the public. This means correcting the lies and myths that people hold onto. This means informing people that their bigotries are baseless, meaningless, and exist in defiance of all logical rationale and common decency.
      President Obama is not a Kenyan-born Muslim. LGBT military members serving openly does not mean “gay ass fucking is allowed in the barracks.” Gay Couples marrying doesn’t stop straight people from marrying or having children. You can’t become gay from knowing gay people, seeing gay people kiss, or from watching Ellen. These are things that “leaders” have a responsibility to be honest about. A responsibility to inform the uninformed public about – no more ignorance, and no more willful ignorance, and no more keeping people stupid and easier to control.

      Santorum and a crowd of ugly-hearted UNpatriotic low-thinkers cheered on bigotry and insulted not just this one man who has risked his life for his country, but the legions of others who do it.

      I thought The Right was all about “Supporting the Troops”? It seems, however, that this is why they wanted to keep DADT…. *hear me out*

      The Right LOVES to “Support the Troops” – but ending DADT means there will be openly-LGBT troops. meaning The Right will have to be “aware” that theyre supporting LGBT people. They dont’ want to do that. They want to be able to “support the troops” but still hate gays….ending DADT means they’re forced to support and have respect for LGBT people. That makes them angry. Why? Being anti-gay is all they have left to convince themselves that they’re better than someone else.

      *sigh*

      Kudos, for once, to a bold statement from GOProud. I hope they continue to actually defy LGBT-bigotry, for once. And i would indeed like to hear them comment on how depressing it is, and how indicative of in-party BIGOTRY that a GOP-filled crowd cheered on hate, not patriotism.

      Genuinely. I’d like them to address it. Honesty is important.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 10:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mav
      Mav

      “I would say that any type of sexual activity has absolutely no place in the military.”

      ^ Pretty ironic from someone whose name is irrevocably linked with a graphic sexual act.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 11:03 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Politically Incorrect Thug
      Politically Incorrect Thug

      Well, it should come as no surprise that I don’t think Santorum was completely out of line. The military has one purpose: To defend the sanctity of the United States. It’s not conducive for political correctness to play a part in war, under any circumstances. What’s next, sending just women and blacks into battle because they don’t feel included? Promoting minorities into the rank of General based on the color of their skin? That’s all fine and well at your local bastion of liberal-mindedness, but for the military? Not so much. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against repealing DADT, I just feel it’s a decision that should be left up to the armed forces, and not the popular masses. After all, you wouldn’t want the military to force itself upon you, so why is the reverse any better?

      Having said that, I still think Santorum is as big a farce as is Bachmann.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 11:29 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jimmy Fury
      Jimmy Fury

      @Politically Incorrect Thug: You’re right, it’s not conductive for political correctness to play a part in war.
      That’s why nobody is asking it to and if you think they are you’re an idiot.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 11:35 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jim Hlavac
      Jim Hlavac

      Yes, the Santorum is a creep (and weird, Santo Rum, he’s drunk as a skunk on power and thinks he’s a saint,) and yes Hill is a Hero.

      However — Theocrats, Nazis, Communists — these are all on the same side of the political spectrum, not at opposite ends with us having to fight off either side for the “Middle.” They all want total control over society at every level, declare anyone who disagrees with them heretics, and use every means of repression they can muster; they argue over the book to use, that’s all. That our nation’s theocrats call themselves “conservative” is just a happenstance of English. As for the other two, the National Socialists merely argued with the International Socialists over who would run the show; much like Bolesheviks and Mensheviks argued for the spoils within Russia. These three are all on one side — pick one — left or right, I don’t care — on the other side are us small government libertarian folks who just want a hell of a lot less laws and taxes.

      And that’s probably half the problem with politics in this country, we rely on this “left-right” nonsense which comes from Revolutionary France; and they just argued over how many heads to cut off, so “different” were they from each other. How ’bout “Likes big government” v. “doesn’t like big government” — and avoid the labels of whom is “liberal” and whom is “conservative.” Then you can figure out where you lie on the political spectrum. A people’s dictatorship is no better than a papal one, that’s for sure.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 11:36 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Patsy Stoned
      Patsy Stoned

      Stephen Hill, thank you for putting yourself directly in danger so ALL of us, including idiots like Santorum, can be free to live our lives.

      The horrible audience is no surprise. Typical Republican behavior. Wave the flag, kill the fag. When faced with the dilemma of a gay person demonstrating bravery their miniscule minds can’t process, so they boo like idiots.

      I don’t know what makes me hate Santorum more, his extreme right-wing idiocy or the fact that he forced me to agree with GOProud.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 12:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      It’s funny how the tea party and the right wing have tried to set up this almost cult-like worship of the military. That every soldier was a hero etc….

      And yet how funny, not if they’re gay.

      They are no different than a Klansman. Their bigotry overides all other concerns.

      As for special rights. Have Rick Santorum call me with evidence that ANY soldier has ever been kicked out of the military for having a picture of his wife or her husband on their desk.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 12:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      How come Canada has been able to have its LGBT citizens serve openly in the military since 1992 with no issues at all?

      Is this genetic? Biological? Are Canadians simply less predisposed to bigotry and hatred? What’s the glitch?

      How come Canadian soldiers can serve alongside LGBT people and not freak out?

      And in wars where countries serve alongside each other, how on earth have Americans been able to serve alongside openly-LGBT soldiers from other countries?

      The more people say “it won’t work” the more they’re actually saying “We Americans are inferior thinkers who can’t do in 2011 what most other sane countries did decades ago.”

      for the life of me I can’t see why that’s a message one would want to send out into the world.

      and truly, how much bravery and courage can one have if they’re scared about working next to a gay dude? a wimp like that would be utterly useless in a combat zone.

      No wonder John McCain was a POW – loser was probably thinking about gay people rather than thinking about, you know, the WAR he was in.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 12:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe
      ewe

      The definition of an ignorant homophobe is someone who instead of answering a question regarding sexual orientation turns it into a quesion of a sexual act. A leader is someone who can hear what is being asked. Next time someone mentions heterosexuality make sure to remind yourself to talk about them fornicating, giving head and performing cunninglus on each other. The definition of an ignorant homophobe is Rick Santorum.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 12:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Patsy Stoned
      Patsy Stoned

      PIT, I believe all those hearings and statements from Chiefs of Staff and Military Commanders and the poll given to members of the armed forces was, in fact, the military having their say. Soldiers don’t get to “vote” on any policy, they just accept orders. But in the case of DADT their opinions were heard, considered, weighed and then voted upon in the House and Senate. The military was given a voice in the matter (not so, coincidentally, when they racially integrated the military).

      And it isn’t politically correct to treat gay and lesbian soldiers exactly as they do straight ones. Talking about a spouse, boyfriend or girlfriend at home is NOT having sex. That is what got people like Stephen Hill tossed out of the military.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 12:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Gay Veteran
      Gay Veteran

      @Politically Incorrect Thug: Shut The F*ck Up.

      No one wants to see your ignorance spewed all over the comment section. You’re homophobic and racist.. stop trying to disguise it by saying your just politically incorrect.

      As if being politically incorrect is a good thing. Politically Incorrect = Ignorant and Inconsiderate

      Sep 23, 2011 at 12:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      Politically Incorrect Thug – you admitted to voting for John McCain. McCain has opposed the repeal of DADT.

      How do you justify voting for a man that does not want LGBT people to be allowed to serve openly in the militay?

      An explanation would be appreciated. Thanks.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 12:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Queer Supremacist
      Queer Supremacist

      This is why I am, and always will be, a Queer Supremacist.

      But you do realize that attacking the GOP is attacking the symptoms, not the disease, right?

      And do you know what the disease is? It’s actually two diseases: Two of the three Abrahamic religions (and a small minority of the third) and heterosexuality.

      How many people do we have to kill to make a gay person Dictator For Life of the USA? Reading this made me seriously rethink my opposition to censorship, dictatorship, mass murder, and genocide. For about three seconds. Then I realized it would be justifiable if it was done to them as a collective punishment for the two-millennia oppression of the homosexual in the name of a heretic Satanic cult.

      Dan Choi/Stephen Hill 2012!

      Sep 23, 2011 at 1:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Politically Incorrect Thug
      Politically Incorrect Thug

      @Gay Veteran: Sorry, but you won’t goad me into an argument. I feel the way I feel because of what I see and hear in my life experiences, the same as you and everyone else, and there are a lot of other gay people out there who feel the same way as I do. Not all of us are so inclined to shout from the rooftops who or what we are (and I know, I know, you don’t have to say it—I’m a pathetic closet case, yada yada, but in truth everyone who knows me knows I’m gay, so that’s not the case, either).

      @Little Kiwi: Shuddup already. Jesus. Your harrassment is bordering on terrorism.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 1:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kent Peterson
      Kent Peterson

      @Pep, Italy: You are wrong. If Rethugnantcans controlled both houses and Congress – they would be rounding gays up to be exterminated. Their Christian dominionist philosophy demands it.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 1:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      Politically Incorrect Thug – how is my asking you a direct and valid question “harassment”?

      You voted for John McCain. How do you reconcile your vote for that man who has actively worked against letting LGBT citizens serve their country with openness and dignity?

      I’m genuinely curious. You voted for John McCain. He’s opposed to letting LGBT people serve openly.

      How do you reconcile your voting for him when you complain about how “Obama isn’t doing enough for LGBT people”

      Just be honest and clear and answer my simple question.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 1:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Politically Incorrect Thug
      Politically Incorrect Thug

      @Kent Peterson: Oh brother.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 1:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      You voted for a man who opposed LGBT people marrying. Adopting. Being allowed to serve openly in the military.

      You voted for a man who supports constitutional amendments that BAN LGBT couples from marrying.

      And yet…you consider my asking you to explain how you reconcile your pro-LGBT beliefs (if you actually have any) with the reality that you voted for a man who is indeed anti-LGBT and you consider my asking those questions to be “harrassment bordering on terrorism?”

      Im not denying you your equal rights. the man you voted for is trying to.

      i’m asking you to explain yourself.

      why can’t you?

      Sep 23, 2011 at 1:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      @Politically Incorrect Thug:

      Though I do not necessarily agree with some of the things you say I respect your right to say it… unlike some people on this site including the people behind Queerty.Nice YT message tracing my IP address real stupid move Queerty.

      But anyways I digress you are right on the money about that users harassment as well thats what he does and he does it a lot then denys it.You’re talking to someone who thinks telling people to kill themselves is funny and acceptable yes that user has said that to many here.Yet I AM the bad guy getting flagged by arrogant snobs here on a daily basis.Oh the hypocrisy of that.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 1:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • CBRad
      CBRad

      @Kent Peterson: Kent : The men in the white coats are coming for you.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 1:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Politically Incorrect Thug
      Politically Incorrect Thug

      @Little Kiwi: OK, I’ll bite. But this is the last time I’m going to explain myself, OK? You’ve asked me the same question at least 3 times, which I felt I’d answered well enough, but apparently I was not clear, so here goes.

      I voted for McCain/didn’t vote for Obama because I care about the state of the nation more than I do about my own personal advancement. I find terrorism and economic woes to be far, far more important than whether or not I can be married in the eyes of the state. I don’t believe “hope and change” are political policies that can better us in any way, any more than I think “heavenly prayer” is a policy that can help us. I believe a president needs to have had more than a couple years experience in the world of politics before he tackles the highest job on the planet. Gay issues, they’re not my number one priority, as they are with many of us, but that’s just me. Can’t and won’t apologize for it.

      Okay? All right? Explicit enough? Now please stop asking me why I voted for McCain, for I could not possibly explain it any better. Any future requests will only be answered with a cut-and-paste of the above.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 1:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      Yes. But you can therefore no longer come onto this site to complain about the things “Obama isn’t doing for the LGBT Community” because you don’t care enough to make them a voting priority.

      you voted for a man who, if he’d won, would have worked to ERODE LGBT Equality, not simply “not do as much as Obama.”

      Do you understand that? You come on here, all the time, and complain about how little Obama has done. You complain, yet you voted for a man who would have not only done LESS, but actively worked AGAINST us.

      therefore, your complaints are against Obama are baseless and borne out of prejudice, not logic or reason. If you actually cared about lGBT Equality, you’d have made them a voting priority.

      You just admitted that they’re not a voting priority. Funny, then, that they’re not a priority in your voting yet they seem to be a priority in your daily life as you do indeed COME ON TO THIS SITE EVERY DAY TO COMPLAIN ABOUT OBAMA NOT DOING ENOUGH FOR THE LGBT COMMUNITY.

      It’s like the teenage girl who complains all the time that the school dances suck, yet she never joins the committees that put the dances together to make them more fun.

      If gay issues aren’t a priority for you i look forward to never seeing you on this site again, complaining about Barack Obama “not doing enough” – after all, you just admitted that you care so little about LGBT Equality that you were fine voting for a man who ran on a platform of anti-gay Prejudice.

      So, thanks for clearing that up. You only care about LGBT Equality when it allows you to bitch about “Liberals”

      So, yes. Thanks for proving me right. Best of luck in life, Uncle Tom.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 2:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • PhillyRock
      PhillyRock

      I didn’t know if I wanted to throw my morning coffee at the TV or cry at the jeering of this soldier who – remember – is putting his life on the line. Rick Santorum who has never spent one second on the military completely insults this fine soldier – I hope Ricky’s place in hell is especially hot. The folks who jeered (I wonder how many of them are actually veterans?) are beyond disgusting. I really don’t have words to express my anger and sadness.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 2:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      I realized what I wrote may have been too long for you to understand, P.I.T., so let me make it even simpler – you can’t say that LGBT Equality isnt’ something you care about when you come onto this site every day to talk about it. Yes, you didn’t vote with a care for LGBT Equality. Therefore you can’t complain about the state of inequality for LGBT people in America. You didn’t even care enough to make it a voting issue. Your kind is always the same, it’s textbook – you vote for an anti-gay Republican and then complain that the pro-LGBT Democrat isn’t doing enough.

      STOCKHOLM SYNDROME! The Musical.

      Yes. You voted for McCain. Because you don’t think LGBT Issues are a priority. Therefore, I think we all look forward to you leaving this site and never returning because clearly LGBT Issues aren’t a priority. Or something you think about. Every day.

      This is your own “logic” I’m using, sugar. Thanks for proving me right :-)

      Sep 23, 2011 at 2:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Politically Incorrect Thug
      Politically Incorrect Thug

      @Little Kiwi: So excitable, you are. All those capital letters and exclamation points set my heart aflutter. Listen, I never claimed McCain would have done anything for gays better than Obama—that’s your fantasy, not mine. It was never an issue for me. I only claimed Obama to be a patronizing hypocrite, and not just on gay issues, but pretty much everything.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 2:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      No, you just prove me right. You dont’ care enough to make LGBT Issues a priority in voting, and yet you’re still here on this site every single day to complain about how “little” Obama has done.

      If you want to “prove me wrong” you’ll never return to this site again because you, of course, are more focused on non-LGBT issues, as they’re just not a priority for you. They’re so “not a priority” that you’ll agree you don’t need to be on these LGBT-focused site. Because you just don’t care.

      right?

      ;-)

      your kind is always the same. it’s your loss in life, not mine. i have a family that supports LGBT Equality 100%. It’s a shame you don’t. You have my sympathies.

      You’re all the same – http://youtu.be/hrv31BCGeqY

      this vid is about you. you have my sympathies.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 2:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      @Politically Incorrect Thug:

      LOL some people are never capable of respecting another persons opinions whether its fact or opinion its entirely irrelevant when someone suffers from a god complex much less a superiority complex like this user does.

      No matter what you say you are always wrong they are always right and they will pester you over and over again until you answer them.Then CLAIM you started something with them when any sane human being can see what a compulsive hypocritical liar they are. This person is truly nor worth the effort some people are just not capable of being reached they would rather talk down to and look down on you for having a difference of opinion then they do.

      Hilarious also this user always claims YOUR kind are always the same when the irony is HIS kind are always the same.

      Some people just failed when it came to humility like the old saying goes they keep writing checks their bodies can’t cash.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 2:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kieran
      Kieran

      Apparently, if you’re a US soldier who happens to be gay, you’re not even entitled to the usual tired old phony cliche of, “Thank you for your service”. An absolute disgrace that not one of the republican stooges on the stage possessed the strength of character to publicly admonish the cowardly low-lifes who booed this American soldier.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 2:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      @Kieran, this is their dilemma – allowing LGBT citizens to serve openly in the military means they’ll be “forced” to respect them. because The Right loves to talk about Supporting The Troops.

      what they’re angry about is the *legitimizing* of LGBT people. That supporting and revering The Troops means being aware that you’re supporting and revering LGBT people as well.

      to a bigot that’s just devastating. Being Straight is all they have left.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 2:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • JAY
      JAY

      All I could think of was that gay soldier had biceps large enough to crush Santorum, Perry, Huntsman, Romney and that sick, old, ghoul, Ron Paul, who in his classic faux libertarian way didn’t say a damned thing when the audience boo’d the soldier.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 3:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Politically Incorrect Thug
      Politically Incorrect Thug

      @Kieran: You’re absolutely right. Whoever booed should have been called out, spotlighted, and hauled out of the arena in shame. Regardless of whether they were booing the soldier or the policy, their exclamation was uncivil, unpatriotic, and uncalled for. The good news is, the candidates whom I’ve seen interviewed today are condemning the offenders (like they had any choice, but still).

      Sep 23, 2011 at 3:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      Santorum was just on FAUXNews “condemning” the people that booed, claiming that he “did not hear them.”

      This is yet more evidence that Santorum doesn’t care at all about the religion he professes so much faith in.

      After all, he’s now officially and flagrantly breaking God’s Ninth Commandment in order to save face to mere mortals.

      You can’t claim to be all about the bible and break one of the Ten Commandments.

      What a phony.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 3:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bryan
      Bryan

      The most surprising thing out of all this is actually GOProud making a statement.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 3:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • the crustybastard
      the crustybastard

      @Little Kiwi: “you can therefore no longer come onto this site to complain about the things ‘Obama isn’t doing for the LGBT Community’ because you don’t care enough to make them a voting priority.

      1. You don’t vote in US elections AT ALL, but that hardly puts a damper on your critiques of US policy. As a US citizen, PIT at least has a dog in the fight. You don’t.

      2. Do you own this blog? If not, why do you think you have the right to tell people whether they may visit or what they can say on it?

      3. And ferchrissakes, must you constantly filibuster threads? If indeed you are a writer, you might want to revisit your editing skills.

      Naturally, I anticipate your response will be richly larded with the usual “Like all Americans you are fat and stupid, and you sell cigarettes to children, and your parents hate you, and anything about Canada is superior to everything about the US, etc.” Obviously, your day cannot be made complete without pointing that shit out to someone. Rest assured, I couldn’t care less, so have at it.

      And have a super day.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 4:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      As a canuck living in the US I don’t vote in US elections, I do social advocacy and civil rights activism. I’m a queer guy living in a country with anti-gay discrimination written into law and policy in most States.

      it’s just odd that one can claim to “not really care about LGBT Issues” and yet come onto an LGBT site every day to complain about how much Obama isn’t doing things for LGBT people, when the person they voted for would have not only done less, but worked to move us backward.

      if one doesn’t care enough about LGBT Issues to make it a priority when they vote I can only wonder why they come onto an LGBT-specific site every day to ….complain about LGBT Issues.

      ’tis odd.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 4:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      *correction*
      you’re right, though. i should have said “you can therefore no longer come onto this site to complain about the things ‘Obama isn’t doing for the LGBT Community’ because you don’t care enough to make them a voting priority.”

      ;-)

      it just makes no intellectual sense to complain nonstop about what Obama “isn’t doing” for LGBT people when you voted for a man who would have been a complete roadblock for LGBT Equality.

      *elegant curtsy*

      Sep 23, 2011 at 4:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • CBRad
      CBRad

      @Little Kiwi: Why do you choose to be living in the U.S. anyway?

      Sep 23, 2011 at 4:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      The love of my life is here. :-)
      We’re finding ways to spit time between two countries :-)

      Sep 23, 2011 at 4:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • missanthrope
      missanthrope

      Gotta love the up-tight closet cases who dismiss pride parades, loathe drag queens and hate Folsom Street Fair while arguing that if your “normal” and do the “right” things, then bigots will suddenly love you. This is proof positive that they will hate you even you to offer to die for your country.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 4:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      *just became sensationally aroused by missanthrope*

      PREACH!

      Sep 23, 2011 at 4:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Politically Incorrect Thug
      Politically Incorrect Thug

      @the crustybastard: Too, too funny. And good for you.

      @Michael: I wanted to thank you, brother, in all sincerity, for your respect. My closest friends are big-time lefties, and we debate/argue all the time, but we always do it with respect to one another’s feelings and values. I understand differing opinions, I even understand the name-calling when people get heated up, but what I get on Queerty that I don’t understand are the requests to shut up and go away. Since when is a dissenting opinion a bad thing? Debate is what enlightens the unenlightened. It’s one of the reasons I come to this website, for exposure and enlightenment, and I want to thank you for welcoming my opinions rather than attacking me for them.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 5:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      If you don’t care enough about LGBT Equality to make it an issue when voting then why do you make it an issue in your everyday life on this site?

      Why don’t you complain about how the man you voted for would have done even LESS than Obama?

      Sep 23, 2011 at 5:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      Genuinely – If you care enough about LGBT Issues to talk about them here every day when aren’t they an issue when you vote? Shouldn’t you be spending your days on a non-Queer site debating policy, since you voted for McCain based on his, uh, “fiscal” issues?

      You’re not talking about what Obama isn’t doing for the economy, or foreign policy. You’re talking about him not doing enough for LGBT people.

      it makes zero intellectual sense.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 5:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • james_from_cambridge
      james_from_cambridge

      @Little Kiwi: Why do you bother arguing with that moron all the time? We know what he is, a diseased, pathetic self-loathing pig and you’d have a better shot at debating with a wall because a brick wall is smarter, and has more self-respect, than that loser. Stop wasting your time Kiwi.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 6:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • macmantoo
      macmantoo

      @Politically Incorrect Thug:
      Why shouldn’t the military be “political correct” the “people” of this country pays their salary. Why shouldn’t gays be allowed in the military? They are just as competent as the straight and will probably cause less problems. It’s the “hillbilly” mentality that kept the gays out, just like it did the blacks before WWII. They were deemed “unqualified”.

      Sep 23, 2011 at 8:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chuck
      Chuck

      I truly hope all the GOProud people watch this and do some serious soul searching. Do you really want to be part of a group that boos an active serviceman just because he is gay?

      Sep 23, 2011 at 9:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • james_from_cambridge
      james_from_cambridge

      @Chuck: You’re making a big assumption, that they have a soul. Who can stay in the same Party as Michelle Bachmann and Focus on the Family, who want gays “healed”, jailed or exiled overseas, and have a conscience or a soul?

      Sep 24, 2011 at 2:53 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      @Politically Incorrect Thug:

      You’re truly welcome I no longer have anything to do with the people here and I am very thankful for that.They are basically invisible to me at this point I respect people like you though because even though we may not agree about certain things you are still capable of respecting another persons opinion and you do not look down on mock or put people down for theirs like all these others do here.My pleasure always nice to meet a decent human being thats a miracle on this site lol

      Sep 24, 2011 at 11:34 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ned Flaherty
      Ned Flaherty

      Here’s a side-by-side comparison of all 13 presidential candidates, and their latest plans for DADT, equal pay for military personnel, DOMA, and related issues: http://www.marriageequality.org/Election2012

      Sep 25, 2011 at 4:53 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • hf2hvit
      hf2hvit

      TALIBAGGERS!

      Sep 25, 2011 at 9:20 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • hf2hvit
      hf2hvit

      Let’s move along…Nothing to see here folks! Just a bunch of Talibaggers spreading some more Santorum

      Sep 25, 2011 at 12:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      @hf2hvit:

      They need to implement Santorum in a more positive way.

      For instance Ive got to go wipe my ass I just took a santorum. Things like that are FAR more positive . :)

      Sep 25, 2011 at 1:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Little Kiwi
      Little Kiwi

      What actually needs to be addressed by GOProud is the response of the crowd. These are “their people” – these are their chosen allies. GOProud needs to spend less time saying “The Gay Left is the American Taliban” and more time being honest about the reality that their party is utterly awash in baseless, ignorant and UNCHALLENGED anti-gay bigotry.

      I’m genuinely glad they called out Santorum on this, but they need to start addressing the reality that they’ve not effectively changed the hearts and minds of their own chosen allies. For all their time spent bashing and insulting “Liberals”, well boys…it aint liberals that respond to gay soldiers with the disrespect and prejudice that this crowd of fools did.

      Gay Conservatives need to realize that they’re not going to “build bridges” or change hearts and minds if they allow baseless prejudices to go unchallenged. ANd they’re not going to win people over by insulting “gay lefty liberals” or “stereotypical gays” like they usually do. Building bridges means standing strong as a gay man when you’re around the conservatives you choose to align yourself with – it doesn’t mean you throw other gays under the bus to save your own ass because the people you choose to align yourself with are anti-gay.

      that’s just cowardice.

      like this dude from GOProud: http://youtu.be/2R6jqMysHaA

      Sep 25, 2011 at 1:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • stanJames
      stanJames

      @Pat Duffy: tehy were called Kapo’s Not sure if that relates to the same italian slang word for mafia bossses

      Most of them were common criminals – every group has some of them.

      No one seems to know how many of them ultimately had their date with destiny in the camps.

      But the real bad guys are the catholic church of the endless hidden molestation of children all over the world

      and why hasnt the vatican EXcommunicated the worst murderer in history – Hitler, born and bpatised catholic in very cath austria in 1888

      http://nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

      Sep 26, 2011 at 4:43 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • queerty1958
      queerty1958

      He’s way too ignorant to even be considered a viable candidate for the highest office in the land. What a disgrace and disservice to the soldier who submitted the question. How sad.

      Sep 26, 2011 at 4:46 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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