One thing is clear from the debates with the GOP presidential candidates: When it comes to LGBT issues, you can’t be extreme enough. In an effort to convince the ever-dwindling base that they are pure on social issues, the majority of the candidates made clear their disdain for marriage equality and transgender rights.
Of course, what would you expect one of the debate questions was from a Facebook poster who asked “what has God been saying to [the candidates] out running for president?” and the media attention was on a reality TV star who has declared corporate bankruptcy four times.
Here’s a sample of the all-too-usual slams:
- “The military is not a social experiment. The purpose of the military to kill people and break things.” Mike Huckabee on why transgender people should be banned from the military.
- “I don’t want my marriage or my guns registered in Washington.” Rand Paul, who would get government out of the marriage business altogether.
- “It is not [settled], any more than Dred Scott was settled law to Abraham Lincoln. … This is a rogue Supreme Court decision.” Rick Santorum on the Supreme Court’s marriage equality ruling.
There were also the expected defense of religious liberty (aka, the right not to bake gay wedding cakes) from Paul, Ted Cruz and Bobby Jindal,
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The one exception to the red-meat rhetoric was Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who just squeaked by into the big-boys forum, elbowing out more reliably homophobic former Texas Gov. Rick Perry. Fox moderator Megyn Kelly asked Kasich how he would explain his opposition to marriage equality if he had a lesbian daughter. Kasich gave a response out of both sides of his mouth that had the crowd applauding.
“Look, I’m an old-fashioned person here and I happen to believe in traditional marriage. But I’ve also said that the court has ruled … and I said we’ll accept it,” Kasich said. “And guess what? I just went to a wedding of a friend of mine who happens to be gay. Because somebody doesn’t think the way I do doesn’t mean that I can’t care about them or I can’t love them. So if one of my daughters happened to be that, of course I would love them and I would accept them. Because you know what? That’s what we’re taught when we have strong faith.”
The cheering audience probably didn’t know (or care) that Kasich was a defendant in the case that made marriage equality possible. Under Kasich’s orders, the state refused to recognize Jim Obergefell on his husband’s death certificate. That’s the case that led to the Supreme Court ruling in June. It’s a testament to the state of the Republican party that the man who denied a dying man’s wish can say in a presidential debate that “we need to…treat everybody with respect” and actually be lauded for his compassion.
Of course, not that it much matters for Kasich, who is at one percent in GOP polls and zero percent with the rest of the world. He has a better chance of winning the Kentucky Derby than the GOP presidential nomination.
But the real value of the debates is in determining the tenor of the Republican presidential campaign, no matter who the nominee is. And the debate made it perfectly clear that gay and transgender issues are going to be front and center throughout the campaign. It’s not just because Fox anchors tossed a few questions out at a debate. It’s because the candidates themselves see this is an opportunity to get votes.
The debates showed that what matters most to the candidates (and the base) is ideological purity. No position can be too extreme and no rhetoric out of bounds. If it was, Donald Trump wouldn’t be leading in the polls. That also means that attacking LGBT issues is a sure-fire winner, at least in the primaries.
As for the general election, the Republicans seem to be on track of repeating their rousing successes of 2008 and 2012.
Bauhaus
What did you expect from those hidebound cretins? The “best” of them speaks out of both sides of his mouth (love the sinner, hate the sin crap). Yet, gays still vote for degenerate, holy roller nincompoops.
Douglas Schlitz
How can any LGBT person, or anyone who supports LGBT and women’s rights support the Republican Party ?
They are indeed the party of NO !
Ladbrook
For those in the LGBT community who thought that Obergefell might once and for all put the SSM issue aside, they were, no doubt, disappointed with last night’s “debate.” Seriously, who the hell knows what any of these men really think… all we can know is what they say, and what they say is nothing more than ignorant pandering to the most uneducated members of their base.
Santorum’s rant (especially) was just classic lunacy. I think he skipped his entire 9th grade civics class, because he literally knows NOTHING about the supreme court, how it works, or what it does. NOTHING. All Hail Dan Savage for turning that asswipe into a world-wide joke.
lauraspencer
I was impressed by Kasich. He did not come off as a religious crazy like Cruz, Walker and Paul. I want to see more of Kasich to learn more about his stance on other issues. The debate was really entertaining theatre, but we need to dig deeper and learn more about the candidates.
At this point I want to learn more about Kasich, Sanders and hopefully Biden when he throws his hat in the ring.
Ladbrook
@lauraspencer: Kasich tried but failed. He claimed to have attended a gay wedding recently but has always been on record as opposing SS marriage. I’m sure that it was very comforting to his “gay friends” to have the governor of Ohio at their wedding… a man who doesn’t even support the legal bond they were there to forge. Yeah, that’s the type of guy I want at MY wedding. Yippee.
Exit questions: did he vomit before or after the ceremony? What sort of gift did he send? Did he take his kids or did he leave them at home so as not to disturb them by forcing them to watch a “fake” wedding? Did he dance with one of the grooms?
Sorry…. Kasich bombed. He’s no different than the santorum last night’s trick left on my sheets.
rextrek
…and yet some gays STILL vote republican? THEY SICKEN ME! I do not and will not associate with gay republicans…..!
Bauhaus
@lauraspencer:
I wonder who got more attention at the gay wedding Kasich attended – the happy couple, or the guy wearing a clothespin on his nose, blackout eyeshades decorated with biblical verse, and soundproof hearing protection ear muffs…
Alistair Wiseman
@rextrek:
Then you are a bigot.
darian
If any of these people get elected to office the world is screwed.
Jerie Ragsac
It depends. When campaigning on the south, you bash em. When campaiging on the north, you support em. When campaigning in Larry King Live, stay neutral.
Xzamilio
Yeah, I’m not listening to anyone saying “These fools are too crazy to make it to the White House” when that was the same crap being uttered during the midterm elections when all of those evangelical nuts were running… and now they control the house and the senate. So just shut up and vote.
wagnerwallace
JOHN KASICH 2016
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: Impressed how? WHat ideas did he present that would improve this country? The entire debate bombed. I think most people watched it for entertainment reasons. It was hilarious when Jeb Bush talked about the economy lol… considering his brother and daddy were abject failures.
There isn’t anything else to learn about the candidates. They are all effing terrible. Every last one of them. But I am 100% sure you will vote republican no matter who wins the nomination.
@Xzamilio: Midterm elections always have lower turn-outs. When less people vote, republicans tend to benefit. This is also why republicans disenfranchise voters. They don’t want people voting because if more vote they will lose. Republicans were totally screwed over in California because more and more were registered democrat and the entire state tilted.
At any rate, the debate was a complete absolute joke. Kasich was full of shit, and so were the rest of the republicans. They have no real ideas for repairing this nations infrastructure, further improving the economy (which Obama has done extensively), improving schools and maintaining this nation’s security.
Now some of the gay repuggers are no here touting up Kasich… but he’s just the same as the rest of the right wing crazies. Kasich is a right wing fundamentalist totally devoid of good ideas.
So the conclusion made by many is that the debate was a catastrophic failure. Nothing more than a dog and pony show with snakeoil salesmen. And not even good snakeoil salesmen!
excusemydust
It’s simply red meat for the GOP’s social conservatives. No one can win the nomination without them and I imagine for a few of the candidates it’s actually just an irritating necessity. I’d wager that most of the Republican party doesn’t care about marriage equality one way or the other, hence why otherwise intelligent individuals are able to vote for people with such regressive social policies. For the candidates, there’s no real danger in opposing equality, and much to lose by supporting it. Even in the general election, most Americans aren’t going to swing their vote in either direction based solely on the candidate’s position on same-sex marriage.
Giancarlo85
Most of the republican party deeply cares about limiting gay rights. They do it even after they are elected! Why do they keep pushing against gay people and abortion? Republicans only care about social issues. Just look at what they do in the Congress. They push absolutely fucking nothing to improve infrastructure or any other pressing issues.
Giancarlo85
@Giancarlo85: *Correction: Equal rights.
Let me elaborate. They are pushing anti-equality “religious freedom” laws. Do you think they don’t care? THINK AGAIN!
Blackceo
@Xzamilio:
But here’s the thing. When it comes to Presidential election years, the numbers are moving further and further into the Democrat column. That’s why Republican led state legislatures are passing all of these voter restriction laws. They created this myth that voter fraud is this huge problem when in fact they see the numbers not in their favor and need a way to suppress those most likely to vote for the Democrat. I mean why the hell would we vote to reduce early voting. We already aren’t a country that votes in the numbers it should.
Then, you’ve got the fact that midterm years always favor Republicans. The voters are older and Whiter. Don’t get me started on people who only vote during Presidential election years and not midterms. Those idiots either don’t understand or don’t care how government works and now we’ve got Republican Congress and a Democrat President at odds. Obama wasn’t on the ballot in 2010 and 2014 and it resulted in huge Republican gains. Hopefully Hillary has got some of those same Obama campaign folk to take his coalition and again maximize it for 2016. One of the joys of election 2012 was Dick Morris walking back what he said would be a huge Romney victory because he underestimated the minority vote, the youth vote, and the single women vote. He thought 2008 was a fluke and it was a trend. Because of redistricting though, I can see a Democrat President and Republican Congress for some cycles to come, which will mean complete and utter fuckery and nothing getting done.
Trump isn’t helping with his comments about Mexicans and Latinos were already increasing their numbers in the Democrat party by a big margin. None of these candidates are going to get more than 5% African American vote so no I can’t see any one of them winning the Presidency. They’ve moved too far to the right and are just not in step with where the country is moving.
As for the debate, I had several of my political junkie friends over for both the JV debate and the main one and I printed out these Republican Debate bingo cards. It was so funny. I was past tipsy by the end of the night cuz some of the Bingo spaces were “Defund Planned Parenthood” , “Ronald Reagan” “Hillary Clinton” “Smaller government” “Radical Islamic” “Immigration”. It was hilarious. We had to go from taking shots to sips because we would’ve ended up in the ER with alcohol poisoning. All I know is I love the fact that Trump didn’t commit that he wouldn’t run third party and I want him to keep leading the polls because this clown car circus show is too good.
youarekiddingme
@lauraspencer: @wagnerwallace: You two can vote for your REPUBLICAN presidential candidate Governor Kasich (Ohio). The guy who was so evil that he denied a dying man’s last wishes (a man who died before the Supreme Court ruled in his favor). Last night this ass clown says that he supports his friend’s gay wedding and would support his daughter if she was gay…yeah right! Trying to be the one moron Republican to stand out from the rest of the fools on the stage. Plain and Simple! A blind person could see through that tactic.
The only 4 states opposing same sex marriage that appealed it all the way to the Supreme Court:
Michigan, OHIO (Kasich), Kentucky, Tennessee.
All 4 of the governors in these states should be personally responsible for the costs incurred in blocking basic civil rights to a minority!
I would NEVER vote REPUBLICAN but one of the last one’s I’d want as president would be this bigot!
Giancarlo85
@Blackceo: You are correct. They tried passing voter restriction laws in California when they knew they were losing grip of this state. They even try gerrymandering, but totally failed. They know they are failing and creating huge backlash. I’m glad republicans are creating more and more backlash. They need to disappear as a political party.
tjr101
Who are the gays that invite these republicans to their nuptials? Don’t these people have any self respect? Republicans don’t support the right of gays to get married and think the whole ceremony is a farce yet they’re still invited?
The GOP and the right is really pinning their hopes on winning in 2016. If they win the presidency there will certainly be at least 2 vacancies on the supreme court that can swing things to the right for a generation. They’ll look to overturn abortion rights, SSM and continue to undermine minorities access to the voting booth.
jwtraveler
Was any of this surprising. The debate was a gathering of the greatest minds of the 15th Century.
jwtraveler
@Giancarlo85: Wrong! Republicans are the party of the rich and powerful. They serve the interests of those people, but they are a small minority. They have to appeal to poor, stupid, white Christians with issues like gay marriage and contraception and r@cism in order to get their votes. Tragically the economic policies of the Republicans hurt those poor, stupid, white people that elect them.
youarekiddingme
@tjr101: Who are the gays who invite them to their weddings you ask…look above…lauraspencer and wagnerwallace. Both of them express their interest in voting for this biggoted asshole!
lauraspencer
@Ladbrook:
Back in 2008 and even in 2012 the Dems didn’t support gay marriage. They evolved. I think Kasich has evolved as well.
lauraspencer
@Bauhaus:
Did you watch the debates? Your description sounds like Cruz and Walker….not Kasich.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
Darling, 24 million people watched. If you understand ratings, that is HUGE. Close to 3 times the people watched the GOP debate than watch the most popular show on TV…THE WALKING DEAD.
People are obviously looking to see what is out there to vote for because they aren’t happy with what we have.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
Can you name legislation that Bush put into effect against LGBT-ers? Can you name legislation that Clinton did? Let me give you a hint….. they both begin with D and it isn’t “Democrat”.
Giancarlo85
@jwtraveler: Many of the rich in the republican party are socially conservative. But their economic policies hurt everyone (and someone as stupid as lauraspencer could not realize that).
@lauraspencer: I bet MANY watched it for entertainment and laughs. Not for information.
Looking to see what is out there to vote? The repulican debate was full of shit and I think many people who saw it would see a bunch of shitty candidates. Can you actually respond to what I write and not what you think I wrote? Are you this mentally brain dead in person?
Where was I wrong, idiot?
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: Historical revisionist. DOMA was pushed by a veto-proof republican held Congress. Clinton couldn’t veto it and was left with no other option. You couldn’t be any more FULL OF SHIT. That’s all you are.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: Now you’re on the Kasich bandwagon. Always something new. You are so full of shit and you are always wrong.
lauraspencer
@youarekiddingme:
Where did I say I was voting for Kasich?
I’m waiting to learn more about the candidates. Hopefully Biden will throw his hat in the ring. I currently like Sanders as well.
Giancarlo85
Here is a RECAP for Laura: Just because people watched doesn’t mean they were convinced. They could have watched and laughed the entire time and be completely repulsed by how disgusting the republican party is.
A party completely devoid of ideas and thoughts (just take a look at Kasich – NO real ideas).
lauraspencer
@youarekiddingme:
Learn to read lemming.
It is way too early for me to cast my vote. I want to hear A LOT more from the candidates. As I have said I like Sanders and would be excited to see Biden throw his hat in the ring. I love the idea of a Biden/Bernie ticket.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: Wow, the only lemming here is you. You suddenly saw Kasich and you are suddenly awe strucked. You are a phony. NO matter how hard you try to appear “objective” you fail miserably. Excited this, excited that… Biden/Bernie is never going to happen.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
Name legislation passed by Republicans against LGBT?
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: What a blithering idiot!
http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2015/04/texas-lawmakers-push-antigay-religious-freedom-bill-on-heels-of-supreme-court-hearing/
And republicans passed DOMA and had a veto-proof majority.
CAN YOU NOT FUCKING READ? YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE. You are like a brick wall.
Giancarlo85
You are NOW slinging shit at the democratic party and saying the republican party have never done anythign anti-gay. You fucking moron… they’ve passed anti-gay laws all over the nation in republican states (in the name of “religious freedom”). You are so idiotic and naive.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
Not at all. I don’t know enough about Kasich or any other candidate to cast my vote with a year still to go.
From what I know I would love to see Biden and Bernie.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: Why are you pushing Biden or Bernie? You said you’re an economic conservative. Neither of them are economic conservatives. Your stroy changes every fucking day. I’m just so sick of seeing your inane postings on here.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
Darling, that is TEXAS. That was to pass a state ruling. Is that the best you can do? Last time I checked the President doesn’t rule the state of Texas. He is about Federal legislation for the entire country.
I ask again….when has a Republican President passed legislation against the LGBT community? When has a Democrat?
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
I like Biden and Bernie. Bernie especially! He speaks from his heart and doesn’t come off as a typical politician. Too many politicians play politics….Clinton, Bush, Walker, Cruz.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: That has HAPPENED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY IN MANY STATES and in the US House of Representatives. The democrats have often killed such efforts to pass those bills.
You’re a damn idiot. I never said anything a republican president, except the last three republican presidents were shitty enough and pushed anti-gay agendas while in office, including winning a re-election (2004) solely on being opposed to same sex marriage.
You’re a REVISIONIST FUCKWAD. DOMA was PASSED BY A REPUBLICAN CONGRESS!
@lauraspencer: Don’t bunch of Clinton with those assholes, fuck tard.
Giancarlo85
DOMA = REPUBLICAN INVENTION.
Stop republican pandering, dipshit. The last republican President pushed a anti-gay agenda that hurt millions of people.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: And you think Biden doesn’t play politics? Goodness me… you are embarrassing.
And please stop with your anti-Clinton bullshit. It’s getting fucking old.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
Darling, “pushing” isn’t the same as “passing”. Yes, the GOP uses the LGBT to get elected, but they haven’t passed legislation against us on a federal level. The Dems pander to the gays and then they have passed legislation against us.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
You are an odd bird.
In your eyes, I am “stupid” unless I vote for Hillary. You act as if she is the only candidate. That isn’t the case.
At this point in time my first choice is Biden and Bernie is second. Other than the two of them I don’t have many options.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
If you read my posts the majority of my comments are pro-Biden and Bernie. I don’t have much to say about Hillary.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: You don’t really have a clue and you’re the one that is odd and screwed up. The other democrats are not great in my opinion. Hillary is the one I’m throwing my support towards because she understands what it takes to undercut republicans. Your “choices” keep changing.
And you said you are an economic conservative. Why the support for Bernie or Biden? You are contradictory.
Giancarlo85
Your attempts to look “neutral” and “objective” are failing miserably, laura. Time to come up with a new schtick. Maybe cut the snakeoil salesman routine. None of us are interested in what republicans have to say and all their ideas are either stupid or incredibly dangerous to this country.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
This is where we differ. I vote for a person and not a party. I like Biden and Bernie. I’m not voting for someone because they will “undercut republicans” as you state. My vote goes someone who will lead and not get hung up on “us vs. them” which seems to happen with both parties.
I think Biden will have a better chance working across the aisle than Hillary will.
As for you labeling me an “economic conservative” I’m not sure why, but my finances aren’t the main factor for my voting. I take into consideration a slew of other issues. Top issues AT THIS POINT IN TIME being foreign policy/international relations, education, jobs and something different in DC. We need to get away for the establishment which both the Bush and Clinton dynasties are.
DimAsAnEmber
@lauraspencer: Is it really worth it to engage him? He won’t convince you and vice versa, so it’s not much other than a waste of energy to try and discuss. You’re beating your head on a brick wall, and contra.
Tim V Johnson
Well, they have proven time and time again that they hate women and the feminine spirit. It’s equally tragic–but no surprise–that they also hate the feminine spirit as expressed in the lives of gay men…
tricky ricky
@Alistair Wiseman: they vote against their own self interests and the interests of their fellow Americans. it’s like a black person voting for the klan.
tricky ricky
@lauraspencer: Kasich is a right wing anti union anti fair wages anti women’s rights to their bodies evangelical suck up tea party ideologue. he hasn’t been good for ohio and he wouldn’t be good for the united states. and he sucks Koch (as in brothers).
tricky ricky
@lauraspencer: YOU are an agent provocateur
tricky ricky
@rextrek: my partner knows one. he’s says he’s a total complete blithering *sshole. he was “raised” republican by his daddy who owns some company he sold for a ton of money and the brat will never have to work a day in his life.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: You stated in the past you are an economic conservative and now you are back tracking and lying. You don’t vote for a person. You are nothing more than a naive lemming. Working across the aisle? You just don’t get it do you? Republicans are obstructionists, including Kasich (who has been a shitty governor like Bobby Jindal I must add).
As someone who lives in California, I know Republicans cannot be reasoned or negotiated with. They must be marginalized as a political party. This is the only way real progress can be made. We can attest for that here in California. Republicans offer nothing by hatred, piss poor policies and regression.
Foreign policy, jobs and education? Why the hell would you consider for Republicans on any of those issues? They fail miserably on each one. And you want someone new? As much as I respect Joe Biden, he has been around for a while. Your statements are contradictory and make no sense.
I vote on a slew of issues too. This is why I know Republicans cannot be reasoned with. They offer nothing but shit.
Louis
As I said on the Clay Aiken post we are screwed if any of these detestable religious self righteous sanctimonious hypocrites become president.
Obama brought so much to the LGBT community the only thing these ridiculously pathetic men will do is damage that progress and send us backwards instead of forwards.
I hope NONE of them win they are perpetual losers as human beings in general they deserve to remain the losers they were born and meant to be period.
Heres hoping Hilary or Biden can destroy these pathetic uneducated fools ….especially Trump.
Louis
@lauraspencer: I find that to be far more true and consistent within the republican party.
I don’t know where the idea of dems voting against us and our rights even came into play.
Giancarlo85
@Louis: We will be screwed in more ways then just on the marriage issue. All those issues Laura talks about… jobs, education, international affairs… be prepared for misery with republicans on those issues.
The last four republican presidencies failed miserably on each and every issue. The party just regressives into something even worse. Every one of these republican candidates, Kasich included, are losers indeed. And people tuned into their “debate” more to watch and laugh. More people watch the democratic debates anyways.
Trump offends me to the core. He’s a deplorable human being.
THe republican party has no ideas, no plans, and no message asides from the usual tidbits of social conservatism. And the moment Jeb Bush tried to talk about the economy, I was laughing hard. His brother and daddy failed catastrophically on the economy… so it was just ironic!
Bill gave us jobs, education spending, reforms and more respect internationally (all of which Dubya backtracked on). So why not give Hillary a chance?
Giancarlo85
@Giancarlo85: *regresses
BJ McFrisky
Why has it gone completely unnoticed by you liberal sycophants that the Democratic frontrunner is currently under investigation by the FBI for compromising national security?
Giancarlo85
@BJ McFrisky: Blah blah blah more bullshit. You have nothing. Nobody compromised national security. But you republicons do that all the time. How many leaks happened under the last republican administration? Answer that putz.
tjr101
@lauraspencer: you’re being disingenuous. You asked the question of what legislation a republican president has passed against LGBT but ignore the fact that it’s Democrats in congress that have prevented such from becoming law. Why don’t you ask what legislation a Democratic congress and president has passed that benefits LGBTS?
Why don’t you ask which state legislatures have passed pro-gay laws?
tjr101
@BJ McFrisky: yes and unfortunately for you nothing will come out of it 🙂
youarekiddingme
@lauraspencer: Lemming, Lemming, Lemming. Are you kidding? By fact, you are a stated Fiscal Conservative which among other things means a deregulated economy (worked well with the Banking Crash huh sweet heart)?
Here’s a little history on one of your heros who was also a “hall of fame” great Fiscal Conservative (also a Republican Btw):
According to a United States Department of the Treasury non-partisan economic study, the major tax bills enacted under Reagan, as a whole, significantly reduced (~-1% of GDP) government tax receipts.[9] The Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 was a massive (~-3% of GDP) decrease in revenues (the largest tax cuts ever enacted)[10] By the end of Reagan’s second term the national debt held by the public ballooned from 26 percent of the GDP in 1980 to 41 percent in 1989. By 1988, the debt totaled $2.6 trillion, in part because of both increased military spending at the end of the Cold War and according to some, the tax cuts. The country owed more to foreigners than it was owed, and the United States moved from being the world’s largest international creditor to the world’s largest debtor nation.[11] VOODOO ECONOMICS!!
We paid for that crap for almost a decade and some argue that we’re still paying for it!
Now, back to your comments at me (which really didn’t bother me) but let’s get the record straight…You said that I made the comment that you would be voting for Kaish…NOT TRUE! I said in one of my posts was, “…Both of them express interest in voting for that bigoted asshole”. Thats a far stretch from saying that you were “going” to vote for them! You learn to read YOU ILLITERATE BITCH!!
The first time I saw the comment posts between you and Giancarlo85 I thought he was being really mean-spirit toward you. Now I realize what a stupid, malicious, lying, right-wing, republican, anti-gay, bitch you truly are!! You deserve every insult you have ever received and will ever get!! Have a great day!
lauraspencer
@tricky ricky:
Thank you. It makes me sound much more mysterious than I am 🙂
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
Biden’s family hasn’t held the White House. The Bush and Clinton dynasties have. He would be NEW in the White House.
Giancarlo85
@youarekiddingme: Laura stated multiple times to me he is a fiscal conservative. I clearly remember that and now he’s trying to backtrack. You can’t argue with someone as vapid and clueless.
@lauraspencer: Biden has been in the White House as a VP for eight years, dumbass. He is an insider and he plays political games all the time. Hillary is the right choice for this country.
The closed captioning sums up the republican debate well enough:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gop-debate-closed-captioning_55c3d893e4b0923c12bc4f86?ir=Daily%2BBrief&ncid=newsltushpmg00000003&kvcommref=mostpopular
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
So with your line of thinking…because a man did a good job in the White House (I voted for Bill Clinton twice) we should give his wife a chance in the White House as well? This dynastic line of thinking isn’t what a democracy is about.
Giancarlo85
By the way, I have the utmost respect for Biden. I think he should be VP again with Hillary.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: No. My logic is that Hillary would do a great job, and may even do better than her husband. YOu vote for republicans. That says it all, laura. You don’t give a shit about democracy or the country.
lauraspencer
@youarekiddingme:
Ummmmm, where did I say Reagan was my hero? I never even voted for the man. He did have nice hair though and wore a chocolate brown suit better than most. Thanks for sharing the cut and pasted info, but it doesn’t have anything to do with what I have posted.
It also sounds like Giancarlo85 came up with another screenname. Gia, are you going by “youarekidding” me now?
Off to the gym I go. Have a delightful day!
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
Very nice of you to say about Biden. He has been VP already. Clinton should get more experience and be his VP or have been Obama’s.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: You’re so full of yourself. You don’t even know what you’re saying at this time. Now you’re accusing me of having other screennames. Seriously how much of an idiot are you? You said you ARE a fiscla conservative to me! You expect me to forget about that?
IDiot.
BJ McFrisky
@tjr101: Yes, I’m well aware of how the mainstream media (ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN) has become a mouthpiece as well as a cover-up operation for the DNC, just as Fox has for the RNC.
One would have to be an utter moron not to see this.
Kieran
Gay bashing?
https://youtu.be/eWn52HTpgMk
Ra Hill
On Hillary & Bernie (borrowed )
“Itâ??s really okay that we donâ??t all agree on every single issue. But can we make an effort to not attack each other in the name of self-righteous indignation? Arenâ??t there enough right-wing trolls to raise our collective blood pressure? Do we really need to prey on our own?
Bernie wonâ??t get in Hillaryâ??s way if sheâ??s the ticket. Hillary wonâ??t get in Bernieâ??s way if heâ??s the ticket. If another Democratic rock star emerges, that person wonâ??t get in the way of whomever wins the Democratic primary. Only ONE of them will emerge the victor, and it is up to US to decide who that will be.” WE Must Support the Democratic ticket, And we Must VOTE!!!
Giancarlo85
@BJ McFrisky: There is no cover up operation. You are bullshitting yourself right now and you are lying. The only moron here is you for being guillible and stupid.
@Kieran: Bullshit.
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/likely_gop_presidential_candidate_john_kasich_is_so_proud_of_himself_for_agreeing_to_attend_friend_s_same_sex_wedding
Kieran, you’re just another one of the many gay republicans who tries to paint this moron as a good candidate. Kasich has done a horrible job as governor (much like Jindal) and he has opposed LGBT equality at every step.
Giancarlo85
Gay repuggers are now jumping on Kasich… as their “savior”… what else is new. More complete bullshit.
youarekiddingme
@Kieran: Gov Kasich, is the Ohio Governor who denied the dying gay man’s last wishes and forced the issue to go to the US SUPREME COURT if you recall. One of four state in the US. Ohio, Michigan, Kentucky and Tenessee. Now he’s trying to come off as one of the “stand outs” on the stage of baffoons on the debate. Anyone can see through that tactic…
This guy has proven through his DEEDS that he has a HATE for LGBT people regardless what he says now. Typical politician…two-faced.
tjr101
@BJ McFrisky: Aww, BJ so its a coverup just because nothing can be found? Just like Benghazi is a coverup too?
Using her private emails just like every other secretary of state before her and well all of the GOP contenders while they were in office?
tjr101
@lauraspencer: I like how you’ve ignored my question of why you haven’t recognized which party has advanced gay rights the most. Kasich makes a reasonable comment about same sex marriage and you’re suddenly enamored. His record in Ohio speaks the truth however.
lauraspencer
@tjr101:
I was enamored with the 6’2″ brunette with blue eyes I had a date with this past week. I was not “enamored” by Kasich. I was impressed how he set himself apart from the rest of the GOP candidates and didn’t get caught up in religious doctrine like Cruz, Walker and Paul. He gave a good response to the marriage question.
Biden and Bernie are still my picks for President.
Please continue to misinterpret what I have written.
onthemark
@lauraspencer: I wonder if Kasich really attended any gay wedding. Has this actually been confirmed? And why would anyone invite him? (Did they play Alanis Morrissette’s “Isn’t It Ironic?” when Kasich entered the room?) It wouldn’t surprise me if this “event” is totally made up.
youarekiddingme
@lauraspencer: Once again the illiterate trys to write! We are back to my original post…That asshole Kaisch, Governor of Ohio, denied a dying man’s last wishes and fought the same-sex marriage issue all the way to the Supreme Court. Now the idiot gets on TV with the rest of the Republican Tools and makes some wild statement about attending some fictious gay wedding and you buy it (hook, line and sinker)! The guy was being a total politician. He made a statement to set himself apart from the rest of the retards on stage and hoped idiots like you would believe him. Morons like him would do their best to try and reverse LGBT rights to what they were before the Stonewall Riots! What do you care though…you’re a straight female anyway!
1EqualityUSA
The next President will be replacing 2 or 3, possibly 4 justices on the Supreme Court of the United States. These are lifetime appointments. LGBT would do well to get out and vote.
BJ McFrisky, go back to your Faux news.
lauraspencer
@youarekiddingme:
Did you look into the same crystal ball to figure that info about Kasich that you did to figure out my sex and sexual orientation? If so then get a new crystal ball or dust your’s off. I’m not a woman and I’m not straight.
youarekiddingme
@lauraspencer: Actually Laura Dipstick, if you had 4 viable brain cells, you would know that Kasich was the Governor of Ohio and that his was one of four states that appealed cases to the US Supreme Court on same-sex marriage…you fool! No crystal ball required, just a little research!
Your sexual orientation (as scary a thought as that may be), is evident by all of your rediculous anti-LGBT statements and your last statement about being enamoured with that 6’2″, blue eyed, brunette! Don’t know too many 6’2″ women out there (although there are indeed some very tall women I will give you that). You have to be straight Laura Dipstick…that’s the ONLY explanation for all your stupid comments here and on previous subjects!
youarekiddingme
@lauraspencer: Oh, your last point…your gender (or sex as you put it—vile when picturing someone like you). Hey, maybe you are male, but you’re certainly straight!
Bauhaus
@lauraspencer:
” He gave a good response to the marriage question.”
No, he didn’t. A good response would have been to admit he has been wrong, or that he has evolved on the issue (like most Americans) and to have given his full support to marriage equality and gay rights. Instead, he gave the “love the sinner” standard GOP bullshit answer. That clown would revoke every LGBT executive order Obama issued, and so would every other ninny running.
youarekiddingme
@Bauhaus: Very good poing. I would add one additonal point. He should have asked/begged forgiveness from James Obergefell and David Michener (widowers) who lost their spouses during the Supreme Court battle that the state of Ohio forced while these men suffered. Their spouses passed away during the course of the appeals/decision. Totally unforgivable in my eyes. That we have people who would consider this guy out of hand just astonishes me…
youarekiddingme
@youarekiddingme: people meaning: LGBT individuals.
jwtraveler
@lauraspencer: If Bill Clinton’s 2 terms as president make him a dynasty, then Reagan, Eisenhower, Wilson, Grant, Jackson, Monroe, Madison, Jefferson and Washington were also dynasties.
Funny the word “dynasty” was never used to refer to presidential families when Bush Jr. was president until Hillary Clinton started talking about running. Then suddenly there was a “Bush-Clinton Dynasty”! Just typical Republican nonsense rhetoric. If they were really concerned about dynasties they’d be opposing Jeb with every breath. What, nary a whisper?
lauraspencer
@jwtraveler:
Not sure what everyone else is doing. I’m just speaking for myself about dynasties. Not a fan of Bush, Clinton or even the Kennedy’s for that matter. Two term presidents don’t make a dynasty. It is when multiple family members run for office.
lauraspencer
@Bauhaus:
I don’t believe in this concentration camp rhetoric. If a Republican were in the White House we are not going to be stripped of our rights. That causes way too many new issues. How do you un-marry people who are married? How do you kick gays and lesbians out of the military?
You do realize that US voters are in favor of equality for gays? That is why Obama and Hillary jumped on the bandwagon. They wanted to be on the right side of history….a bit slow in doing it, but at least they did.
Majority of Americans favor equality for the LGBT. No politician is going to un do what is already law.
Stop being victims and living in fear.
youarekiddingme
@lauraspencer: Who controls both houses? Which president do you think will be appointing multiple Supreme Court Justices? Ever hear of Roe v. Wade? How many times have they tried to overturn that Constitutional ruling? How many times was Universal Health Care (Obama Care) challenged? Just because they have NOT been overturned doesn’t mean they CAN’T be overturned…just like same sex marriage.
In December 2010 the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell Repeal Act of 2010 was approved by a Democratically controlled House and Senate and approved by President Obama.
We now have a REPUBLICAN Controlled House and Senate and if a REPUBLICAN President (especially one of the right-wing extremists who hates the LGBT community), you can bet your ass they will work on reversing the law on gays in the military.
I’m not a victim, I’m a realist. You may have the luxury of not living in the time when things were much more difficult then they are now. Thank your LGBT brothers and sisters for that. Their blood, sweat and tears gave you the freedom you have now. How much do you donate to HRC? How many Pride Marches have you participated in? Don’t lay down and believe that all is well…all ain’t well. We still don’t have protections for work, or housing, or income and the suicide rate for LGBT youth is still through the roof! We need strong leadership in Washington. We don’t need some President who “tolerates” or says he believes it’s a sin but he still loves them. We need someone who will actually fight the tough fight for us.
You just don’t get I guess. Read some history. Look at the Supreme Court Case on same sex marriage and see why I’m so against Kasich who allowed to gay men to die while he fought an illegal fight. Figure it out.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: You are so full of it! If Hillary gets elected, it isn’t a DYNASTY. A dynasty refers to a continuous rule of by family members. A dynasty is referring to royalty.
@lauraspencer: Incorrect. We will be definitely stripped of our rights and would see our progress reversed. This would especially be the case if a republican was in office and pushed new conservative appointments for the bench. You are INCREDIBLY naive.
The republican controlled House and Senate want to push religious freedom bills, and this is luckily not possible because democrats still have enough seats in the Senate to stop any such efforts.
And if you think marriage and the military are the only issues facing the LGBT community, you’re even more of an idiot than I thought. The democrats are the only ones pushing employment protection laws and anti-discrimination laws.
Republicans don’t want us to have equal protection and don’t want us to be protected by the law when it comes to employment.
Giancarlo85
Tell me, laura… which republican would not appoint conservatives to the Supreme Court bench? Every single republican is socially conservative, including Kasich. Just because he produced some watered down statement about going to a gay wedding (which is unprovable bullshit), doesn’t mean he’s pro-equality or going to help us. Nor does he or any of the other republican candidates have any good ideas for this country with other issues.
Giancarlo85
Hillary Clinton on equality globally:
I am talking about gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people, human beings born free and given bestowed equality and dignity, who have a right to claim that, which is now one of the remaining human rights challenges of our time. I speak about this subject knowing that my own country’s record on human rights for gay people is far from perfect. Until 2003, it was still a crime in parts of our country. Many LGBT Americans have endured violence and harassment in their own lives, and for some, including many young people, bullying and exclusion are daily experiences. So we, like all nations, have more work to do to protect human rights at home.
Now, raising this issue, I know, is sensitive for many people and that the obstacles standing in the way of protecting the human rights of LGBT people rest on deeply held personal, political, cultural, and religious beliefs. So I come here before you with respect, understanding, and humility. Even though progress on this front is not easy, we cannot delay acting. So in that spirit, I want to talk about the difficult and important issues we must address together to reach a global consensus that recognizes the human rights of LGBT citizens everywhere.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/06/hillary-clinton-gay-rights-speech-geneva_n_1132392.html
DECEMBER 6TH, 2011 – THIS IS WHEN SHE MADE THIS SPEECH… READ IT AND FUCKING WEEP GAY REPUGGERS! This was even before Biden came out in favor of same sex marriage.
This is what Kasich said:
“I been to a gay wedding… yeah… I’m so different blah blah blah” (paraphrasing).
Big fucking whoopie doo!
1EqualityUSA
and you can bet that the evil entities are working ways to suppress votes, cheat, and make life difficult for youths on college campuses to make it to the voting booths.
Giancarlo85
Laura is basically telling that shit governor Kasich would be better for the community than Hillary Clinton. All because he said he supposedly went to a gay wedding. BULLSHIT.
Oh and yes, supressing votes… republicans do that in states like Ohio, Florida and Texas. Texas is the worst one in the entire nation when it comes to voter suppression. If a million more registered and the state wasn’t so gerrymandered, Texas would be a democrat state. Texas is exactly what California was in the 1970s/1980s. Produced a shitty governor who became President and suppressed votes. Presently republicans represent less than 25% of the voting public in California. Anyways… back to Texas… if it became democrat, republicans would never win another general election.
Republicans are fighting a losing battle because they can suppress and gerrymander, but they can’t change demographics.
Giancarlo85
If Kasich says he went to a gay wedding, it is a miracle and he should be help up at a savior. And Lauraspencer is deeply interested in him. If Hillary Clinton says anything she is pandering… lol.
Don’t you guys see the hypocritical bullshit from the right wing on here? Kieran, Lauraspencer, BJ… these guys are up to no good. They’ll push anyone with an R next to their name, and to cover their own ass they claim to support Bernie Sanders.
1EqualityUSA
The Republicans keep saying how fiscally prudent they are, yet they sink our country and make poor decisions about regulations. Even Jeb! was saying he would undo regulations on business. W caused a near collapse of our economy. How is it that there are still those who believe that this party cares about anyone but their own?
youarekiddingme
@Giancarlo85: It’s funny. All lauraspencer’s posts today, she never once addressed the point (that was made several times) about Kasich being an evil hypocrit from Ohio. Lauraspencer knows that there is NO excuse for any person to punish two gay mens deceaseds husband over human rights, force them to take the case to the Supreme Court, then lie during a debate to try and make points with voters. No Excuse! No defense!
1EqualityUSA
Could the Koch Bros be hiring a pack of infiltrating commenters to come onto sites and sway the gay? Why not?
Giancarlo85
@youarekiddingme: She didn’t even address the fact that Kasich is as much of a shit governor as Bobby Jindal (with crappy approval ratings).
Kasich isn’t just a danger to equality… he’s also a danger to the economy and everyone living in this country except the super wealthy.
lauraspencer
@youarekiddingme:
Again with the assumptions about me…
I have marched in 2 Pride Parades in NYC and have watched about 12 as a spectator. I have been to numerous HRC and GLAAD events. I have even attended Lambda Legal, Victory Fund and GLSEN events. I have walked in the AIDS Walk and have been to several God’s Love We Deliver Benefits.
Having come out years ago and having friends, associates and boyfriends live with and die from HIV/AIDS I think I have an idea of our community’s struggles.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
Tell it to Blake and Krystal!
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
I support Biden and Bernie. Not Hillary.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: Wow.
I’m shocked.
Two pride parades? Are you proud of yourself?
And I don’t care for HRC or GLAAD. They are all corporate driven these days and don’t pay much attention to the plight of homeless youth or other pressing issues.
The most struggle you have is balancing your checkbook.
@lauraspencer: And you didn’t actually address the point in my post about republicans being totally opposed to anti-discrimination employment protection laws and being in favor of so called “religious freedom laws”. You are full of deflections!
lauraspencer
@youarekiddingme:
I’m not here to defend Kasich. I said I like how he set himself apart from the GOP on Thursday. I did not say I was supporting him or voting for him. Continue to fantasize about my postings and read into them whatever you like.
As I have said numerous times I like Biden and Bernie.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: Did you support Biden three years ago in 2012? Nope. So why the change lol? You punched the hole indicating you support Paul Ryan. We get it already. By the way, Paul Ryan is still a shitbag in the House of Representatives and wields a lot of influence in the party you just love.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: If you look at his actual record, he didn’t set himself apart. And most of his rhetoric was just following the party line, so I don’t really follow what you’re saying?
Everything that came out of Kasich’s mouth was just as stupid as what was coming out of “Mr. Fake hair piece”.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
I don’t balance my checkbook. I have people that do that.
I agree with you about HRC & GLAAD. I don’t like how corporate they are either.
I feel lucky that I marched in 2 Pride Parades. Most people in NYC don’t march in them because you have to be affiliated with an organization. I also work for a living and the past few years have been out of town for work during Pride.
Giancarlo85
We should believe all republicans when they say something “smart”. Even a broken clock is right twice as a day and you still can’t believe it.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bushs-top-ten-flip-flops/
“I’m not so sure the role of the United States is to go around the world and say, ‘This is the way it’s got to be.'” – George W. Bush 2000 Presidential Debate
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Yeah… why should I believe a republican? And believe me, I have a superb memory. I remember things that were said in years past by lying ass republicans.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
I supported Biden in 1988 and in 2008. My not voting for Biden in 2012 wasn’t about Biden. Now that he is running as President I’m happy to support him.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: You’re lack of support in 2012 was because you hated Obama and wanted to support some “economic conservative”. Your posts have lies and contradictions all over them!
You never could quite explain why you didn’t support Obama/Biden in 2012… but you were happy to support a guy who took money from right wing extremists in El Salvador who had ties to paramilitary groups in that country.
Giancarlo85
@Giancarlo85: *your
Anyways, I’m done discussing this tonight. It’s like talking to a brick wall.
Blackceo
Regarding Kasich…..I was commenting how he was actually one of the more “sane” sounding Rethuglicans (even though thats not saying much beause the bar is set so low) but I was talking to a couple people I know who live in Ohio today and they said don’t be fooled…he’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
AaronNelson
@Giancarlo85: 53 IS NOT a filibuster proof majority you moron! As much as you want to blame republicans for DOMA, there is no way it could have passed without the 32 DEMOCRAT Senators, and 118 DEMOCRAT Representatives that voted FOR DOMA.
1EqualityUSA
There was talk of a Constitutional amendment against gay marriage, which would have been more difficult to undo, so DOMA was throwing the rabid haters a bone. It is understood that politicians are gross and make decisions with political expediency in mind. The Democrats are no angels with regard to equality, however, their message is a Hell of a lot better than any of the Republicans currently.
We do banking on line, taxes, electronic medical records and more, why can we not figure out a voting system that makes it easier to vote? Some students in rural colleges have only one voting booth that is far from campus, down a road with no sidewalks, where nine hour waits to vote are the norm, during times when the student have tests to pass. Could the states make it any more difficult to have youths vote? Florida was sickening. The conservative, politically bent justices on the Supreme Court are invested in making voting extremely difficult for people, whom they consider lean Democrat. Certainly, our Nation is inventive enough to come up with a secure, easier way to vote, so that every person may take part in elections.
Giancarlo85
@AaronNelson: Just another right wing gay trying to blame democrats all the time, be a historical revisionist, fail to read what I posted and engage in dishonest reflections. You just don’t want me criticizing the Republican party for how antiequality it has been and continues to be. Maybe you ought to reconsider your foolish statements and misguided criticism.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
I do not “hate” President Obama. I don’t “hate” people. I voted for Obama and supported him against Hillary when most of my friends didn’t even think he had a chance of winning. I was happy for his win in ’08.
lauraspencer
@1EqualityUSA:
I agree with you. I have always wondered why they don’t simply allow people to vote via computer or phone(seeing that many elderly don’t have computers or know how to work them). Tie a person’s vote to their social security number to prevent fraud.
youarekiddingme
@lauraspencer: You’re not here to defend Kasich good. I’m glad. I finally convinced you to see my side of the argument. Wow! Don’t give him any more positive feedback…he’s not worth the time or energy. He’s a shitbag. Period.
As to your not buying into the “concentration camp rhetoric”. First, I think that’s a bit dramatic. Second, as I stated, there is no reason to sit on our respective asses…there’s plenty of work yet to be done. We don’t have total equality yet. The next President will have power over appointing Justices on the Supreme Court…none of us want more Scalia’s!
So I don’t have your concentration camp mentality…quite the opposite. I’m sick of being treated as a 2nd class citizen even though I served in combat for this country. I watch who these politicians are, which party occupy the majority of the house and senate, where they stand on OUR issues and who the president is so that I don’t end up in a worse position than I’m in right now.
Don’t say it can’t happen either. Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: You still REFUSE to answer my question. What reasons did you have to not vote for him in 2012? What did Mitt Romney and that perpetual idiot Paul Ryan offer? At least Romney is out of the picture, but Ryan continues to make an ass of himself in the House of Representatives.
You’ll refuse to answer that. I already know that.
@lauraspencer: Vote by phone or the computer? Computers are not fail safe… and now you’re talking about bringing up social security numbers… are you kidding me? You’re just like a republican. More and more restrictions to voting.
Giancarlo85
@youarekiddingme: Laura is telling us we should be grateful we even have anything. And republicans aren’t so bad lol… the republican party is actively working against us. And Kasich is just the same. He never said he was in favor of same sex marriage. Just that he went to a gay wedding.
If Hillary says she is in favor, Laura would call it pandering. If Kasich says he went to a gay wedding it’s newsworthy.
GayEGO
I do not trust any of the GOP candidates. They all are against marriage equality, some say they accept the Supreme Court ruling, others want to reverse the ruling as they consider us subhumans. The ones who find out they have us in their families may change their thinking, some may not. But this is politics and I look at the GOPs as the NO party.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
How is having a social security number putting a restriction on voting? It isn’t difficult as an American to get a Social Security number.
Giancarlo85
I don’t trust the GOP for anything on ANY issue. They’ll manage to fuck up this country so badly in so many ways. From education, to jobs, to the environment… no thank you!
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: That just opens up more of a possibility of a leak and identity theft. No thank you!
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
and the current system isn’t flawed with the potential for identity theft or rigging the election?
We need to create a way to get more voters to vote. It needs to be easier.
Your comment about leaks and theft sounds like you would like Chris Christie as President 🙂
AaronNelson
@Giancarlo85: You ignore the fact that the republicans DID NOT have a filibuster proof majority (as you falsely stated) and ignore the fact that without overwhelming DEMOCRAT support, DOMA would never have passed. And you call ME foolish, and misguided?
AaronNelson
@1EqualityUSA: “Some students in rural colleges have only one voting booth that is far from campus, down a road with no sidewalks, where nine hour waits to vote are the norm, during times when the student have tests to pass. Could the states make it any more difficult to have youths vote?”
Where did this actually happen?
1EqualityUSA
AaronNelson, I believe it was 60 minutes, but here is a link regarding voter suppression. Just type in Voter suppression, 9 hour waits and plenty of stories come up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hcF0XUxs2c
1EqualityUSA
Here’s another voter suppression story for you, AaronNelson,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c16-0hIXNC0
GTT
Any gay Kasich supports need to wise up – if he were to win the Presidency he would fill his administration with right wing anti-gay people from Liberty University, etc. – worse that what GWB did.
This isn’t just about Kasich – it would be about all the people he would appoint and owe favors to.
Hillary is clearly the most qualified candidate to run for the Presidency in generations. An incredible resume.
Of course people like lauraspencer and other right wingers don’t want Hillary to win the Dem. nomination – they want Bernie to win it so that the Dem.’s lose the WH – dream on.
Giancarlo85
@AaronNelson: You are fucking stupid. Not only did you make something up, you responded to something I never wrote. I never said anything about a filibuster. You are genius… always needing to find a way to blame democrats for everything.
Wake up, kid… it’s 2015. Not 1996. NEITHER political party supported equality in 1996. But which party changed to accept equality? WHICH ONE? The democrats have changed in the past decade to overwhelming support… the republicans are overwhelmingly (something around 70-80% of republicans) AGAINST equality. Anyone who pretends to sit here and say republicans are somehow changing their opinions ought to check recent polls.
Independents (actual non-partisan voters) and democrats are either in favor or strongly in favor of equality.
And you’re STUPID if you think there is no voter suppression by republicans.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/10/al_jazeera_america_s_reveals_massive_gop_voter_suppression_effort_millions.html
“According to a six-month-long investigation conducted by Greg Palast for Al Jazeera, “voting officials in 27 states, almost all of them Republicans, have launched what is threatening to become a massive purge of black, Hispanic, and Asian-American voters. Already, tens of thousands have been removed from voter rolls in battleground states, and the numbers are set to climb.””
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It’s so bad even Al Jazeera ran a story about the massive GOP voter suppression effort. In Miami (for example), people waited many hours in the past two elections (the general and midterm election) and voting locations were removed. Urban areas were undercut so shitty rural republican areas could have more representation.
Al Jazeera actually does journalistic investigation, whereas Fox News just spoonfeeds people like you, Aaron, more bullshit for your daily dosage.
GTT
AaronNelson – who cares about DOMA?
That is ancient history – the world has changed and moved on since then.
I should say – the Dems have evolved since then. That’s the point – the GOP has not.
Very few people supported gay marriage back then [mid 1990s]. It was a very new concept. What is your point?
1EqualityUSA
AaronNelson, Florida was egregious in its voter suppression:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXQPLa1gYSQ
Giancarlo85
Why can’t certain citizens vote? These people are US CITIZENS. And the massive majority of them have committed no crime (and therefore shouldn’t be disqualified on that notion). You know what this is? Republicans see what happened in California and are scared fucking shitless. Republicans represent less than 25% of the voting public in California and even with our low turn-outs, republicans still get stomped in elections. In my district, we had a 15% turn-out (that’s it) and the republican was hoping to win with a low turn-out. Wrong. The democrat beat the republican by 10%.
Republicans know soon even low turn-out can’t help them anymore. So what do they need to do? Suppress voters and remove them from the rolls. They then claim they are doing it because of voter fraud. That’s irony! The only voter fraud being committed is by republicans.
GTT
If you support the GOP that is fine. It is your business – but at least have the integrity to admit that the party panders to a large anti-gay base and that most of the candidates are, well, frankly homophobic. This is reflected in their statements, level of discomfort and even more so in their actions.
Gay people are born gay – which makes us a minority group – which is not always an easy thing to be. We need politicians that recognize that.
Is this so difficult to understand?
AaronNelson
@GTT: Apparently Giancarlo85 does. Try to keep up…
AaronNelson
@Giancarlo85: You have proven that the average democrat is not capable of discussing issues without resorting to childish name calling, temper tantrums, and personal attacks!
Maybe you will grow up some day, but that seems unlikely!
AaronNelson
@1EqualityUSA: Thank you! I asked you a question, and you answered it. You didn’t stoop to personal attacks, name calling, or temper tantrums. You just answered my question.
Giancarlo85 could learn something from you!
1EqualityUSA
Giancarlo85 is a firey and passionate. Sure it is a different way to communicate, but I get what he’s saying. AaronNelson, do not underestimate the amount of pain our community has endured. These past years have not been fun for us.
Giancarlo85
@AaronNelson: You have proven you are not capable of arguing. I have never said anything about filibusters. You lied. I don’t have time for liars or intellectually dishonesty.
Why the refusal to answer the rest of what I posted?
You are just like the rest of the republicans out there. You can’t answer basic questions, you can’t make logical arguments and your debating skills stink.
You have a lot of your own growing up to do, kiddo!
Giancarlo85
I am deeply concerned about the pain republicans have put this entire country through. Decades of misery and suffering whenever they held the executive office. Why do you want people to suffer, aaron?
AaronNelson
@Giancarlo85: You said the republicans had a veto proof majority. That is a lie!
53 is not a veto proof majority. As much as you want to blame republicans for DOMA, there is no way it could have passed without the 32 DEMOCRAT Senators, and 118 DEMOCRAT Representatives that voted FOR DOMA. Clinton didn’t have to sign it either. He should have vetoed it and forced congress to override his veto, but he chose to sign it. Do you think Obama would sign something he was against just because congress could override him?
I am going to bed soon, government won’t run itself. So don’t feel bad if I don’t respond tonight.
Giancarlo85
@AaronNelson: Again you haven’t read anything I have posted. You are engaging in revisionism now. You want to blame democrats for DOMA as if republicans had NOTHING to do with it. It is 2015, not 1996. Clinton would have been forced to sign it either way. If he forced Congress to override his veto, it would have been a political disaster considering a vast majority of the country was against same sex marriage (some polls say 70-80% at the time).
You’re clueless! Just another right wing gay spewing off the same old nonsense.
Giancarlo85
@AaronNelson: Wait I get it. You have absolutely no clue about what was going on then. You want to attack democrats because that is your political agenda as a gay republican. You fail to realize republicans are the ones that pushed it through and made up the majority of all support of DOMA and still support it.
You are a fool.
AaronNelson
@Giancarlo85: That was my point from the beginning! You are engaging in revisionism, You want to blame republicans for DOMA as if democrats had NOTHING to do with it. Don’t let either party off the hook for what they have done. Just because one party has found it politically beneficial to flip flop, doesn’t make them trustworthy!
I know exactly what happened, and who did it. I have been working in government for many years.
Pissing you off has been entertaining, but I’m getting board now.
Giancarlo85
@AaronNelson: You are the one failing miserably. I am engaging in factual discourse. You are not. You engage in revisionism. You are extremely dishonest and this entire time you try to blame “democrats” and “liberals” for everything. You are beyond pathetic! You gay republicans are all the same liars and dishonest ones.
You don’t know anything! You don’t have a clue about what happened. You have never worked in government. So don’t even try that stupid line. You can’t even put together a coherent sentence, let alone a real argument to support yourself.
And you’re getting “board” now? Huh? Must be a pretty flat existence. Your grammar and spelling is total shit… how did you ever manage to be working for the “government for many years?”
Giancarlo85
And it’s hilarious you accuse me of revisionism. Come up with your own thoughts please. How did you get that so called “job” in the first place? You’re just another gay republican who can’t write.
lauraspencer
@AaronNelson:
Aaron, I blame both parties for the mess our country has become. They both share the blame. Gia’s political views are black and white….Dems = GOOD and GOP = Bad.
I think both parties are bad for the most part. Every so often an individual breaks through that might make a difference, but it isn’t easy to find them in all the clutter.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: Nope. You should be blaming republicans because they are the ones that have caused political paralysis in this country. Both parties are not bad. One is bad. Democrats are indeed good… for example, democrats pushed the Frank-Dodd reforms… which republicans gutted. These reforms put a lid on financial irregularities.
Stop trying to blame both parties. Start blaming republicans. It may save you the pain in the future.
Republicans have become the party of “NO!” and they have stopped at nothing in disrupting Obama.
lauraspencer
@GTT:
I’m not a right winger. I’m a registered Democrat who like Bernie and Biden. Not every Democrat has a hard on for Hillary.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: You’re not a democrat. You said you were an “independent” (republican leaning) at one point. Your story keeps falling apart.
1EqualityUSA
agreed on this last post, lauraspencer.
1EqualityUSA
Republicans abused their power when they tasted it, therefore, they do not deserve to have power again. The SCOTUS is shamefully political. It makes me think that our experiment may be failing. The Koch brothers are disruptive and buying the politicians. Lucky thing that our Country has a way of weeding out the scary monsters and super creeps.
Giancarlo85
The republicans gutted the Frank-Dodd reforms the moment they took the House. This alone discredits them. We all KNOW who the republicans favor in this country. It’s not the average person. Democrats aren’t great, but they are decent enough to keep in the White House… and hopefully retake the Congress.
Here is another abuse of power by republicans… something that shows they have clear disregard for even military soldiers and veterans:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/11/predatory-lending-soldiers_n_7258800.html
So we know who the bad ones are.
AaronNelson
@Giancarlo85: And there it is! Every time a democrat realizes they have lost, they go for the tired old “Your grammar and spelling is total shit” What did I spell wrong? Better yet, how does it change anything I have written? You say I try to blame “democrats” and “liberals” for everything. That’s another lie! I never said anything about liberals!
You claim that you are “engaging in factual discourse” but that’s a lie! You are still engaging in revisionism, You want to blame republicans for DOMA as if democrats had NOTHING to do with it.
AaronNelson
@lauraspencer: I agree with you! BOTH parties are to blame.
Giancarlo85
@AaronNelson: I am not a democrat. I’m not registered for any political party. Again there you go with the failures of your own argument. You can’t recognize how badly the republicans have sold out this country. The democrats at least try to implement some reforms (like the Frank-Dodd act). Are you really this blind?
Are you really this “board” might I ask?
You are NOT engaging in a factual discussion. You also keep saying you’re tired and leaving, yet you continue to post here. What will it be? More of your petulant nasty lies? That’s the problem with gay republicans. You’re even worse than Christian conservatives.
The DOMA was a republican invention, you fool.
And no, both parties are not to blame for problems in this country. The massive majority of blame goes on republicans.
Giancarlo85
@AaronNelson: “I am going to bed soon, government won’t run itself. So don’t feel bad if I don’t respond tonight”
Yet you continue to respond… lol.
A liar and a gay republican. What a sad existence that must be.
youarekiddingme
@lauraspencer: You are such a fucking liar! You say that you never said that you were supporting Kasich…Only Biden and Bernie. Lets see what you REALLY said:
lauraspencer lauraspencer
I was impressed by Kasich. He did not come off as a religious crazy like Cruz, Walker and Paul. I want to see more of Kasich to learn more about his stance on other issues. The debate was really entertaining theatre, but we need to dig deeper and learn more about the candidates.
At this point I want to learn more about Kasich, Sanders and hopefully Biden when he throws his hat in the ring.
Let’s see, I want to learn more about (and you place all 3 of the candidates names together)…So you’re considering all 3? Looks to me like you’re looking at Kasich and Sanders and Biden if he decides to run. No CRYSTAL BALL needed. LEMMING, LEMMING!
Read your own fucking posts and keep your lies straight!!
GTT
The Republicans don’t want to govern – they only want to win the elections so they can control things. For the most part it is to keep things status quo and for the rich to get richer – think Dick Cheney and Mitt Romney.
If you are gay and you believe in that philosophy then just admit it – but also admit that your civil and human rights and human dignity and even possible safety and not as important. JUST BE HONEST ABOUT IT.
Hillary is pro-business and would protect gays at home and internationally in a heart beat – supporting her is a no-brainer.
GTT
lauraspencer,
If you vote for ANY Republican they will bring a ton of CRAZIES into their administration and through various appointments. Don’t you know that?
GTT
With regard to DOMA – you guys need to focus on 2015 not the mid-1990s.
The point is in 2015 the GOP still supports DOMA and the DEMs absolutely do not.
The GOP does not support gay marriage – the DEMs do, open service in the military – the list goes on and on and on – talk about 2015 – not 20 years ago.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
Darling, please go back and read my previous posts….I have said zillions of times I’m a registered Democrat. I have been since 1993. I live in NYC. Independents can’t vote in primaries in NY State and I think primaries are more important than the general election. That is why I’m registered Democrat even though I’m more Independent. So I can vote in the primaries. The majority of my voting record has been for Democratic Presidents.
GTT
The Texas GOP has in their PARTY PLATFORM – conversion therapy for gays – in 2015 !!
This is torture – mid-evil style – and some of you gays posting here identify with the GOP? How? Why?
AaronNelson
@Giancarlo85: You really need to try to keep up! I said I’m going to bed SOON, that does not mean RIGHT NOW!
I know the deference is more than you are capable of understanding, but that’s not my problem.
I do not keep saying that I’m tired and leaving. In fact, I never said I was tired. I said I was going to bed soon. Again, try to keep up.
Why did you ignore my challenge to your attack on my spelling? You call everyone that disagrees with you liars, and stupid, but when you get caught in ANOTHER lie, you are silent.
Any why does it bother you so much that I’m gay? You have pointed it out more than once.
lauraspencer
@youarekiddingme:
Just because I have interest in someone doesn’t mean I’m going to date them. Grow up.
I do have interest in learning more about Kasich. Doesn’t mean I will vote for him. I’m interested in hearing what all the candidates have to say. That’s what campaigns are for. Trump interests me for pure theatre. Doesn’t mean I’m voting for him. Carson interests me because I’m fascinated by a black doctor who is Republican. Kasich interests me because of how he has to do a dance to separate himself from the rest of the pack.
Biden and Bernie are my faves.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: You have said time and time again you’re an independent who leans republican. You just change what you say because you get caught up in lies and deception. You can’t tell me why you didn’t vote for Obama in 2012. You never elaborated. You are just dishonest.
@AaronNelson: LOL. Soon? You said that quite some time ago. You just keep responding because you crave attention. And you want to keep posting more incoherent bullshit nobody can decipher.
What challenge? You didn’t make any real challenge. You just posted some silly conjectures. You didn’t answer of my challenges about how corrupt and deceitful the republican party is. You are the one getting caught up in lies and you’re tripping on your own feet. It is kind of sad seeing a gay republican falter in his own shit.
Giancarlo85
@GTT: Not just in Texas. But the entire republican party condones reparative therapy, religious “freedom” bills, and the destruction of any form of employment protection.
Laura won’t answer these claims because she is stuck in her own fantasy world.
And this Aaron idiot is stuck on one subject and refuses to address anything else. I think it is because he has attention deficit disorder and cannot recognize how shitty the republican party is.
1EqualityUSA
GTT sums it up beautifully in the last four posts. AaronNelson are you poking the beehive with a stick? Who cares about spelling Giancarlo85, we all make typos and oddly spelled words in our effort to complete our thoughts. Sometimes my thoughts are on the next sentence, while writing the current sentence. The points are more important than minutiae. Having gone out to dinner with my brother and sister, we missed the Faux News debates, but from the news, we didn’t miss much. Rather unpleasant lot they have there. Never forget who the Republicans will want for SCOTUS. Presidents come and go, SCOTUS is for lifetime appointments. Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts are the gifts that keep on giving.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: What the hell has Kasich done for anyone that makes you interested? Do you know he has been as bad of a governor as Bobby Jindal? What more do you want to learn? LOOK UP HIS RECORD IN OHIO and you’ll see the reality. And not just his record on same sex marriage, but on a slew of other issues.
People like Kasich are the reason why we don’t elect republicans anymore in California. We learned our lesson the hard way! The last one was shitty enough. And yeah… Arnold… says he supports same sex marriage now. I don’t care. HORRIBLE GOVERNOR. Actually I should say CATASTROPHIC. He caused significant paralysis in Sacramento, and now Jerry Brown came in and cleaned up the mess.
Now the California legislature has an approval rating four times of the US Congress, and the Governor has approval ratings well over 60%.
http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-legislature-brown-approval-20150227-story.html
Actually recent polls say 64-70% depending on which one you look at. He is a political juggarnaut. Republicans don’t count for shit in this state and are nothing more than spectators. They had their chance in the past and flunked.
Giancarlo85
@1EqualityUSA: I only pointed out his spelling/grammar error because he was so quick to bring up his “extensive” experience. Obviously his “extensive” experience can’t help him write a coherent thought.
He’s totally wrong anyways.
1EqualityUSA
Inagree with much of what you say Giancarlo85, where you lose credibility sometimes is when you focus on small stuff. It steals thunder away from your original thoughts But, hey, you’re young and passionate and that’s just how it is. Carry on, baby.
Giancarlo85
@1EqualityUSA: I don’t agree with that at all. I point out fallacies and inconsistencies. That is all.
1EqualityUSA
My sister used to say that she knows I’ve lost an argument when I’ve lost my temper. If name calling would help your cause I’d say go for it. It is your style of communication, so carry on and fight the good fight.
youarekiddingme
@lauraspencer: You just don’t know how to communicate then…anyone and I mean anyone who reads your post (which is why you have been getting so much shit from so many people) clearly reads your precise post and that is: “I was impressed by Kasich” …and…”At this point I want to learn more about Kasich, Sanders and hopefully Biden…”
I didn’t say that ANYONE including I was voting for ANYONE. You do however want to “… dig deeper and learn more…” about Kasich Sanders and Biden! You put all three in the same category. Guess your communication skills (or lack there of) got you lots of resentful posts huh?
It’s just like you deny that you called yourself a “fiscal conservative”…same lie. If you want, I will find where you said that and post it here as well so everyone will see what a true liar that you really are.
Ask yourself…Why are some many people sending you negative feedback posts….Figure it out. Stop lying.
AaronNelson
@Giancarlo85: Not that it matters, but I keep responding because I forgot to do the laundry, and now I’m waiting for it.
(I can’t wait to read your attack for that)
And you haven’t made any challenges. All you have done is try to distract from the fact you got caught in several lies. You have called me a liar, but haven’t pointed out a single lie. You claimed that my “grammar and spelling is total shit” but haven’t been able to give a single example.
Your entire argument is nothing but smoke and mirrors. You can’t communicate on an adult level, so you try to distract by calling people stupid and liars. Is that really the only way you can feel good about yourself?
Giancarlo85
@Giancarlo85: I made a typo there myself. Juggernaut.
Anyways, I’ve said enough. California has effectively sidelined republicans and conditions have only improved since that happened. Not even a single republican holds a state wide office. In the last state election, they lost every state wide race (such as Governor, Secretary of State, etc). We have rising stars like Gavin Newsom and Alex Padilla that will keep republicans sidelined for years to come.
Giancarlo85
@AaronNelson: I’ve made multiple challenges you simply refuse to answer and I debunked your stupidity and ignorant claims. You are completely incapable of making a coherent, logical argument. You are engaging in intellectual dishonesty. You are not worth my time and you are nothing more than a lemming for the republican party. You are fine with being abused and kept as a second class citizen.
My argument is based on logic, reason and evidence. These are foreign concepts to anything you have written in here.
@youarekiddingme: I’ve brought up the fiscal conservative claim Laura made and she keeps denying it.
1EqualityUSA
How is it that the Republicans get the “Fiscal Conservative” cape. They are a disaster. Propaganda must really start to do this after a long while. How the Republicans manage to pull this off?
youarekiddingme
@1EqualityUSA: I have no idea. Ask lauraspencer. Claimed to be a Fiscal Conservative and now denies it…I think lauraspencer has R ties and denies those too!
AaronNelson
@1EqualityUSA: You’re right. I have been poking the beehive with a stick. As I said earlier, I’m a little board.
1EqualityUSA
boardom will do this
1EqualityUSA
youarekiddingme, or…….perhaps after having read everyone’s input, lauraspencer had a change of heart. Who knows. People evolve and who’s to say this person hasn’t changed a bit? I learned about Kasich from someone who lives in the State and seen things we Californians may not have been privy to. I learn a lot. Sometimes, something that a commenter brings up here on the Isle of Queerty will have me probing further to learn if what was said is true. I adore having a site where ideas are exchanged. The United States is a weird experiment where the consensus eventually finds the appropriate balance. It’s fun to interact with one another. We are so lucky to live in a place that allows this public discourse.
AaronNelson
@Giancarlo85: You have been so distracted by your own lies and BS, that you forgot the point.
You refuse to admit that BOTH parties are bad. DOMA could not have passed without democrat support. You have not been able to dispute that fact. All you have done is distract with lies.
Sadly, you are not as smart as you think you are.
You are incapable of having a discussion without dragging it down to personal attacks.
Giancarlo85
@AaronNelson: You’re a mess. You don’t even know how to make a real argument so you just throw things back like a petulant child. First off, I’m the one that called you out on your perpetual bullshit and lies. You are a gay republican (and you haven’t denied this one). You are not capable in being logical. And no, one party is bad and the other is decent. Democrats are not great, but decent. I have posted facts to back up my claims, including that on financial regulation laws (such as Frank-Dodd). There are no lies in my argument. You just continue being the idiot you are. You have no experience and you have never worked for the government.
And it’s funny you talk about personal attacks, yet your posts are full of personal attacks on my own intelligence. Grow up kid!
Giancarlo85
Thought he was going to sleep a few hours ago? He’s still at it posting his inflammatory bullshit… lol.
1EqualityUSA
Political expediency and the threat of a Constitutional Amendment converged on that first week of Bill Clinton’s presidency. As GTT said, it’s 2015 now and we have the ear of the Democrats, so let’s run with it. It’s time for this all to be settled anyway. LGBT need not spend one more dime on this atrocious inequality. Think of what we could have done with all of that cash, instead of fighting for rights that we already have, inalienable rights. Let’s look forward to the day when we can focus on issues and steer dollars towards candidates that resonate with us, rather than pooling cash towards inane lawsuits.
Giancarlo85
Yes it is 2015.
Democrats support equality and have been for the past several years (perhaps most conclusively in 2011/2).
Republicans have not supported equality. They continue to oppose us at every step of the way.
We have two choices. Decent (Democrats) and shit (republicans), and I’m considering all their other viewpoints too.
What would you choose?
1EqualityUSA
Democrats.
AaronNelson
@Giancarlo85: Wow, you sure are spending a lot of time talking to someone that you said wasn’t worth your time!
If you go back and read the posts again, you will see that this all started when I pointed out that DOMA was supported by BOTH parties. Then you started all your crap.
After 22 years in government, you will never convince me that BOTH parties aren’t bad.
They will both tell you whatever they think you want to hear, just to get your vote.
My laundry is done, so you will need to find other ways to entertain yourself for the rest of the night.
Giancarlo85
@AaronNelson: And there he goes… Your posts have been utter shit and you haven’t been able to dispute anything I have said. The majority of DOMA support was republican (period). You have NEVER worked in government. Ever. Don’t keep peddling that lie. Your posts are indicative of someone who has a severe lack of experience.
Now unlike him, I have to work tomorrow. So I need to be going to bed. LOL.
Giancarlo85
And I don’t listen to so called “independent” right wing gays either. The kind of gays who claim they are “independent” and “better” than everyone. Right wing is right wing… it’s all bullshit in the end.
Louis
@Giancarlo85: I agree wholeheartedly .
The only thing these men will do is bring further divisiveness and intolerance in this country then there already is.
I also find that amusing considering when Bush was president the debt in this country was astronomical.
Louis
I don’t see how anyone can defend any of these men.
Are we forgetting that its men like these men that are the catalysts to LGBT kids and teenagers committing suicide in this country?
Think about it a gay teen or child already struggling to accept themselves hears the constant rhetoric that they are DAMAGED or WRONG or SINNERS those comments and worse wind up destroying these poor souls already fragile self esteems and self worth as human beings.
These people aren’t our allies no matter what sugar coating they do or small tiny attempts of claims of being SUPPORTIVE.
Kasich says he went to a gay wedding well so did Rush Limbaugh so that didn’t prove any valid point period.
Lets remember who our true allies are these men are not that…ever.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
No I have not. You hear what you want to hear or read what you want to read. I have even laid out my voting record over the years going all the way back to 1988 with most of my votes being cast for Dems including Clinton twice, Gore, Kerry and Obama once. You are the one even after I have shared my voting record that continues to say I am a Republican.
I don’t think the GOP would consider me Republican with my record.
Happy Monday.
lauraspencer
@youarekiddingme:
I don’t consider 4 people on a blog a lot of people or representative of the general public. Unlike you, I don’t get worked up about what strangers have to say.
As 1EqualityUSA said in reference to Gia can also be applied to you. There is no need to resort to name calling. By looking at your posts it seems that you and Gia are most likely the same person. Gia has been a consistent attacker of mine for a few months. I have never seen your postings before, yet you reference comments that I allegedly made in pasts posts. You either are taking Gia’s comments for gospel or you are Gia under another screen name.
As for my lack of communication skills my education and career would suggest otherwise, but think what you want. You and Gia like to make personal attacks that are quite comical seeing that you don’t know anything about me or any of the other posters you attack. It makes you look small and for people not to take your comments seriously.
martinbakman
@rextrek: I’m surrounded by them in Orange County. They remind me of the Vampire Lestadt.
Cam
Notice how every anti-gay republican claims to have gay friends or to have been at a gay wedding but can never name the friends?
Also, Kaisic, fought to keep a dying man off the death certificate of his spouse. That isn’t political, that is a direct cruel, bigoted attacked.
The Log Cabiners can pretend that the same old bigotry expressed by Kasic is somehow an improvement, but really it is the same thing that the GOP was saying 2 decades ago and they have been getting more anti-gay ever since.
youarekiddingme
@lauraspencer: Liar again laura. Simple math. There are about 28 people who posted on this article so far. You said 4 people didn’t agree with you…think again…Try looking at the feedback. 10 of the 28 posters on this subject think that your ideas are totally wrong! No, not a scientific poll but it shows that your ideas are out in left field somewhere and EVERYBODY sees it. The 10 were just the ones who DIRECTLY confronted you. The majority of postings disagree with your point of view.
As I told you before, I actually believed that on a previous post you were being attacked by Giancarlo85. I continued to watch your postings (and his) and have gotten into a debate with him as well. You continue to deny a statement that I clearly recall you make about being a “Fiscal Conservative”. You even went so far as to Define the term to Giancarlo85. Now you repeatedly deny having ever made the statement. Your views are your views. I believe they have evolved since we started on this topic (away from that idiot Kasich–which btw I have personal reasons for my dislike for what he did to those guys in Ohio). My real problem is with integrity. Sorry, just a sticking point. If you can’t handle that, then I guess you were raised in an environment where it was ok to “bend the truth”.
Laura, I also believe that we have a long way to go with our civil rights. Call it what you want. You can be fired, lose housing and the list goes on just for being LGBT. We have no Federal Protections. We still have to fight. If you believe that’s “Concentration Camp Rhetoric” I don’t know what to say about you as a fighter for LGBT rights. You told me you belong to several LGBT organizations whose mission it is to fight for our rights. I find your enrollment in these organizations admirable, however to say that somehow others of us believe in a Concentration Camp mentality and are somehow scared is proposterous. We (the majority of the LGBT community) are her to continue the fight for our rights, not lay down (as in Concentration Camp round ups). So now you may be able to see the reason why some of your broad, inflammatory statements may have irritated some in the LGBT community and some posters in this forum.
*Btw, callling you a liar is not “name calling” when you are not beeing factually truthful as you are truly not in your post above.
onthemark
@lauraspencer: For better or worse, I was the one who asked you point blank, a couple of months ago, who you have voted for in the past. So this is all kind of my fault.
I kind of get where you’re coming from, since you live in NYC. Yeah, yeah, I realize that independents can’t vote in primaries there. I believe you’re a registered Democrat.
But why, why, why, did you vote for Romney in 2012??? After voting for Obama in 2008? That’s just WEIRD!
I asked you, didn’t Romney & Ryan’s anti-gay statements bother you? And you replied – no.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: You have issues. I am not anyone else nor do I control any other accounts. You said to me you are a fiscal conservative and now you backtrack and deny that you made the comment.
You refuse to answer as to why you dropped your support of Obama in 2012. Others have asked why and you have refused to answer.
Kangol
@lauraspencer: Just so you know, John Kasich was one of the governors opposing same-sex marriage in the Obergefell v. Hodges case, and his opposition led to the case going to the Supreme Court, which legalized same-sex marriage in all US states and territories.
As his appointed Department of Health director, Richard Hodges, who was the lead plaintiff in the case said about him, “Kasich opposed same-sex marriage and he authorized the fight to protect our gay marriage ban.”
Kasich has been no political friend of LGBTIQ, however he may personally feel about a possible lesbian daughter or gay friends. There is a difference, and politicians’ political actions and policies are what count. They can like you and harm you, or not like but for political reasons treat you as an equal under the law or at least leave you alone.
youarekiddingme
@Kangol: You have just said to her what I’ve already said several times on this subject. It’s worth saying again, but I don’t know that laura will ever get it though…