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GOProud Is Staying at Doug Manchester’s Grand Hyatt, And Loving It

Hosting a reception today for Tammy Bruce, the lesbian conservative radio show host who believes marriage should be reserved for heteros, GOProud has taken over part of the Manchester Grand Hyatt in San Diego. And they’re loving it!

Chairman Christopher Barron, who will likely be working on his red tan by the pool, isn’t afraid of you homos calling for a boycott of the hotel over owner Doug Manchester’s $125,000 donating to pass Prop 8. “Dear Boycotters of the Manchester Grand Hyatt – It’s really really nice here. That is all :D,” he tweeted today.

 

They even welcomed him, appropriately, with a fruit basket. Because what Doug Manchester lacks in civility he makes up for in amenities. Oh, and he also threw $16,000 to GOProud, which the group happily accepted.

 

By:           John Rogers
On:           Jul 31, 2010
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  • 53 Comments
    • Chuck Anziulewicz
      Chuck Anziulewicz

      I have to wonder if there was ever a conservative Black organization back in the 1950s and 1960s … you know, a group that felt Rosa Parks should have been content to sit at the back of the bus. Because that’s the impression I get from GOProud, that LGBT people ought to be satisfied just to live in the United States; and if we pay our taxes and obey the law while NOT being able to participate in the same legal benefits that Straight couples have always taken for granted, well, it’s no big deal. Is THAT how Tammy Bruce and GOProud see things?

      Jul 31, 2010 at 2:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Devon
      Devon

      I know churches can excommunicate disobedient members…Is there anything we can do to kick these swine out of the gay fold?

      Jul 31, 2010 at 3:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Devon
      Devon

      I feel I should apologize to pigs everywhere. I realize that you’re clean, intelligent animals and I’m sorry for comparing you to gay republicans.

      Jul 31, 2010 at 3:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Clint
      Clint

      WTF? Out of all the hotels they could have stayed at… I just don’t get it…

      Jul 31, 2010 at 3:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @Chuck Anziulewicz:

      Not organizations, per se, but there were middle and upper class blacks that felt that King and others were rocking the boat a bit too much.

      Jul 31, 2010 at 3:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mike L.
      Mike L.

      They prolly got a big discount plus a way for the hotel to show not all gays are boycotting it.

      Jul 31, 2010 at 3:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Brad
      Brad

      GOPoud has been working hard to gain acceptance by the GLBT community. But this isn’t the way to do it. I’m more conservative than most GLBT but won’t support GOProud.

      Jul 31, 2010 at 4:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Zach
      Zach

      @Brad:

      No they haven’t. GoProud has been working hard to remain the Republican Party as the house gays – an increasingly difficult task given the growing violent extremism from conservative sectors. Consequently, GoProud spends most of its time and dollars attacking liberals and non-GoProud LGBT people.

      Jul 31, 2010 at 4:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Zach
      Zach

      @Brad:

      No they haven’t. GoProud has been working hard to remain in the Republican Party as the house gays – an increasingly difficult task given the growing violent extremism from conservative sectors. Consequently, GoProud spends most of its time and dollars attacking liberals and non-GoProud LGBT people.

      Jul 31, 2010 at 4:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mr. Enemabag Jones
      Mr. Enemabag Jones

      Was Mr. Barron tweeting from a men’s room stall?

      How can I take these people seriously?

      Jul 31, 2010 at 4:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kristin
      Kristin

      I think we can all be PROUD that the only people Hyatt/Papa Doug can get to violate the boycott are these classy folks.

      Sadly, Gay Shame takes many forms, from teen suicide to drug addiction to taking money from San Diego’s most notorious homophobe.

      Jul 31, 2010 at 5:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mike
      Mike

      Why does this guy feel that he needs to be shirtless all the time? I REALLY don’t wannt to see that. Cover it up and have some self respect. Giving people the finger in a picture is beyond trashy. These people clearly want attention. I say let them do whatever they want. Just ignore em.

      Jul 31, 2010 at 6:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Zach
      Zach

      @Zach:

      Speaking of which – how warped does a lesbian have to be to be involved in GoProud? I can understand straight women subverting themselves and their self-respect by clinging to religious and social doctrines that insist that they have a specific gendered role to play in romantic parnerships, but a lesbian? That’s about as far outside the patriarchal system as it gets.

      It’s a funny world we live in.

      Jul 31, 2010 at 8:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dvlaries
      dvlaries

      If Palin or Huckabee managed to get us all into detention camps, are these the guys that would be sucking the guards dicks…?

      Jul 31, 2010 at 8:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • whatever
      whatever

      Minority conservatives are such boot lickers. They will prostrate themselves in submission so that people they perceive to be in power will let them into da club.

      Jul 31, 2010 at 9:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Queer Supremacist
      Queer Supremacist

      GOProud are a bunch of Heterosexist, Uncle Tom, Breeder-Supremacist quislings who are angry that Log Cabin Republicans had the integrity to withhold their endorsement of Bush in 2004 because of the FMA. They’re not self-hating, though. They are quite in love with themselves and hate the rest of the human race, including anyone on the right who is not a raging homophobe. Seriously, I’ve seen heterosexual conservatives who were more pro-gay then these shitbags.

      LCR are gay Republicans. GOProud are not “gay Republicans”. They are merely Big-Government-For-Jesus types who suck cock. Being gay is a privilege, and they have forfeited it.

      Jul 31, 2010 at 11:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John (CA)
      John (CA)

      I have never been a fan of the “self-hating homosexual” theory of politics because it is, in a sense, an abdication of responsibility. It suggests that the people supporting these policies are being tricked into it. I don’t think that’s the case at all. They are perfectly rational actors who know exactly what they are doing.

      If you are a religious zealot, then it is only logical that you would align yourself with the party of fundamentalism. If you are a racist, then it is only logical that you would align yourself with the party that protects racial privilege. If you are an executive, then it is only logical that you would align yourself with the party of predatory lending, derivatives, and endless tax cuts. If you are a part of the military-industrial complex, then it is only logical that you would align yourself with the party of war.

      It is time to stop hiding behind pedantic psychological analysis and start pointing out that some people – like the folks at GOProud – are just self-serving jerks. They don’t care about gay rights because they are looking out for #1.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 1:56 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Zach
      Zach

      @John (CA):

      “I have never been a fan of the “self-hating homosexual” theory of politics because it is, in a sense, an abdication of responsibility. It suggests that the people supporting these policies are being tricked into it. I don’t think that’s the case at all. They are perfectly rational actors who know exactly what they are doing.”

      I don’t really agree with this. I don’t think being self-hating absolves you of any responsibility, nor does it mean that you’re “tricked”. Rather, it’s an acknowledgement of the vast amount of social conditioning we’re subjected to, and in the case of many gay Republicans, are unable to overcome.

      Ultimately there is an interplay, i.e. I’m gay and relatively successful, I resent the government for ‘stealing’ my money and/or think that Democrats are spineless peaceniks, ergo I vote Republican, where I’m rewarded despite my gayness. Many gay Republicans come from Republican families, others are driven to conservatism because they feel margninalised by society and adhere to a movement that denigrates social responsibility and empathy. It’s why so many gay Republicans, open and closeted, remain single, or only engage in brief encounters: they’ve been conditioned (and willingly condition themselves) to only respond to their own visceral needs.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 2:53 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Zach
      Zach

      @John (CA):

      Just a follow-up: the ‘self-hating’ (a term that probably isn’t accurate enough to truly capture the mindset of the average gay Repubican) gay has the same trajectory as the zealot, or the racist, or the executive. You started in medias res. But what led the zealot to be a zealot, or the racist to be a racist, etc.? It’s those events and choices we make – are forced to make – when we’re young that form who we are as contributing adults. You can only talk about a zealot or racist or gay Republican being a rational actor in a very limited sense, because their existence is predicated on the fundamentally irrational.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 2:59 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mike
      Mike

      @John (CA):

      If they want to focus on Republican issues and the agenda set by the Republican party, then why go through all the trouble of forming a Republican group for gay men? Do they really need their own group or can’t they just join regular Republican groups? I don’t understand why they would seperate themselves. To an outsider, it seems like a desperate cry for attention. I would like a gay republican to answer this question but I never seem to get a response when I ask it.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 3:02 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dawson
      Dawson

      Yet again, proof that boycotts simply don’t work. Its not really GoProud that people should be pissed at. Its the lets go boycott crazy crowd that fails to realize you can’t control an individual’s behavior. If they want to do something they are going to do it. Also, gay people are not a collective group. They are a bunch of different groups that share an ascribed status.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 8:00 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DR
      DR

      Whether I agree with the politics of the org, I leave for another day (some make sense, some do not). Whether I think Mr. Barron is hot or not is for another day as well (hey, I’d kill to be in his shape).

      It’s really tacky for a forty-something year old guy to be posing like that in pics. Flipping the bird to the camera? Really? C’mon, are you ten?

      Aug 1, 2010 at 8:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Tollendyr
      Tollendyr

      Their mission statement must be “To continuously redefine Self-Loathing.”

      Aug 1, 2010 at 9:03 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • reason
      reason

      @Mike: What needs to be understood about them is their allegiance is to the GOP, and their primary goal is to bring more people to the GOP. It’s not about gay rights or anything in that nature, you need to think of it more as a business tool. Some companies hungrily go out of their way to make sure there marketing tools are diverse. Why? Because they want to make as many people as possible feel welcome, it has nothing to do with fighting for their causes or whatever. GoProud is doing the same thing, it is solely about the Republican party. Being out there as a gay group is just to provide visibility and show that there is a gay presence in the GOP to make it easier for gay people to say okay I can go over there and be comfortable. GoProud are party loyalist that will use any “tool” available to bring people to the party even if that tool is the exploitation of their own sexuality. What everyone needs to realize is a tool is just a tool, the machine “the Republican Party” is what their selling with every ounce of bigotry and entrenched homophobia that comes with it.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 9:31 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mr. Enemabag Jones
      Mr. Enemabag Jones

      Homocons are conservative because they believe it makes them appear more masculine. Just read some queer right-wing blogs. The recuring theme is gay liberals are weak; the Dems are weak; conservatives are men; the Republicans are strong, etc.

      Just look at theat pic of Barron. He really believes that pic presents him as all man. These morons think being Republican proves that just because they suck cock, deosn’t make them any less of a man. Sad fact is, sucking cock does not make you less of a man. Nobody bothered to tell homocons though.

      As I told my brother years ago–If you have to tell people you’re a man, you aren’t really. The more posturing I see from people like Christopher Barron, the more I see scared little boys, pretending to be adults

      Aug 1, 2010 at 11:05 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • whatever
      whatever

      @Mr. Enemabag Jones: Yeah, think about it. These guys are (mostly) white, wealthy and privileged. In society, that should be enough for a person to reach the top regardless of intellect or merit (see GWB). But, alas, they are gay, too. That kind of throws a monkey wrench into that almost perfect trifecta.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 11:40 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Silas
      Silas

      All I have to say is one word “Traitors”! What good is a boycott when you do not follow it? I will not ever shop at Target or Best Buy, to me it does not matter if they make it right. Maybe I just a angry old queen but I do not support them. Why didn’t the gay employees walk out of Target and Best Buy? I know it would may it tough. I think they would have seen how many gay people actually work for them or those that are gay friendly. I will not support GoProud. Chris can take that middle finger and shove it up where it doesn’t shine….ooppppsss I forgot he might like it. Also whats up with these people that do not believe marriage is for gays as well…they are must have internalized homophobia. They say they don’t have internalized homophobia they do especially if they live in America, everyone does.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 1:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D'oh, The Magnificent
      D'oh, The Magnificent

      @DR: No, they are not mature or self aware enough to know they are acting like children.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 3:28 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Haters
      Haters

      Who new the gay community was so filled with hatred? The Hyatt and Target/Best Buy flap has definitely outed the LGBT community as haters. That’s about all you have succeeded in doing; the equal rights issues have been overshadowed by over-dramatic volleys of hate.

      Sorry, but that’s not the way the world works. People can believe marriage should stay between a man and a woman without hating gay people. You can’t see it that way, but others can.

      Okay, begin hating me for daring to have my own thoughts.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 3:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Haters
      Haters [Different person #1 using similar name]

      Who knew the gay community was so filled with hatred? The Hyatt and Target/Best Buy flaps have definitely outed the LGBT community as haters (not all, but the one’s getting air time). That’s about all you have succeeded in doing; the equal rights issues have been overshadowed by over-dramatic volleys of hate.

      Sorry, but that’s not the way the world works. People can believe marriage should stay between a man and a woman without hating gay people. You can’t see it that way, but others can.

      Okay, begin hating me for daring to have my own thoughts.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 3:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Devon
      Devon

      @Haters:

      “People can believe marriage should stay between a man and a woman without hating gay people.”

      No.

      No they can not.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 3:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mike
      Mike

      @Haters:

      I won’t begin hating you because I honestly don’t care what your beliefs are. Believe whatever you want, it’s a free country. Your beliefs don’t make you special or ‘brave’. It’s obvious that gay republicans are always looking for some kind of fight and I think it’s rather childish. You want to be part of the Republican party? Go ahead, I don’t give a rats a*s. At least do it in a dignified manner and stop acting like immature 10 years olds throwing a temper tandrum. A 40 something guy posting shirtless pictures of himself giving the finger isn’t going to earn respect. It makes gay republicans look trashy and desperate.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 3:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Haters
      Haters [Different person #1 using similar name]

      @Devon:

      And that’s where you are fundamentally wrong. And that is why you hate.

      The beauty of the intellect is that it is capable of operating in shades of gray. If you cannot do that, you become hateful, close-minded, or worse. Not everybody who disagrees with you hates you or wants to see your untimely demise. That is an immature and emotionally-controlled intellect.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 4:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ryan
      Ryan

      @Haters

      People can believe whatever they want about gay marriage. And I can choose not to give them my money, so that they can use it against me. What’s more American than that?

      Aug 1, 2010 at 4:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ryan
      Ryan

      And you’re right, people can be against gay marriage without hating gay people. But clearly, if you start donating large sums of money to legalize discrimination against gays, I’m going to have my doubts. It’s certainly not possible to be against gay marriage and also think gay people are equal to straights. That’s a fact. But you’re right, that doesn’t have to mean “hate”. GOProud claims to be for gay marriage, but they’ll financially support those who work against them, and they’ll do it in the most petulant and obnoxious way possible. That shows their commitment to gay rights doesn’t actually exist, and they’d at least have integrity if they just admitted that.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 4:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • patrick
      patrick

      “Hubbell, people ARE their principles.”
      GOProud obviously has no principles.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 4:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Haters
      Haters [Different person #1 using similar name]

      @Ryan:

      I totally agree with you. My issue is when people begin to associate a political donation with a supposed agenda of hate. Social media has blown up with commentary from the LGBT community that is filled with hate against these companies.

      Perhaps the donation to MN Forward by Best Buy and Target was not the most well thought out, but it certainly was not an intentional attempt to alienate the gay community.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 4:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ryan
      Ryan

      I agree, the Target and Best Buy boycotts are just plain stupid, and I don’t agree with it. There’s just too many degrees of separation between the donation and the anti-gay politician. Clearly neither Target nor Best Buy meant any offense. The Manschester Hyatt is another matter, though, as I’ve already said.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 4:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mr. Enemabag Jones
      Mr. Enemabag Jones

      @Haters:

      the equal rights issues have been overshadowed by over-dramatic volleys of hate.

      When one is confronted daily with hate; intimidation; violence; and the outlawing of equality, one tends to fight back with hate. We can be America’s doormat for only so long.

      Sorry, but that’s not the way the world works.

      I guess we all can’t live in a world filled with unicorns, and pixies, Haters.

      People can believe marriage should stay between a man and a woman without hating gay people.

      No they can’t. When a person uses their “belief” that only heterosexuals are entitled to marriage as a foundation to enact laws making legal inequality, that does not demonstrate love towards the LGBTQ community. You don’t outlaw the people you love.

      Okay, begin hating me for daring to have my own thoughts.

      I would–if you had your own thoughts. You’re merely parroting what the Maggie Gallaghers of America spout.

      The beauty of the intellect is that it is capable of operating in shades of gray.

      When speaking of laws, they are no shades of grey. The law is black and white. Either every tax paying, legal American adult is entitled to marry, or no one should be. If laws are enacted to prevent only a certain segment of Americans to not marry, that is discrimination.

      Not everybody who disagrees with you hates you or wants to see your untimely demise.

      There is far too much evidence to the contrary for you to believe that, Haters. Either you are willfully ignorant, or stupid.

      My issue is when people begin to associate a political donation with a supposed agenda of hate.

      When money is donated to a politician who has the ability to enact laws that will intentionally harm Americans, that is a clear tolerance of hate.

      Are you the type of person who upon seeing a crime, walks away, or tries to help the person being harmed? If you walk away, then you are helping that crime be committed by acknowledging a crime is happening, ignoring it, and permitting it to continue.

      That is what a political donation to an anti-gay politician is–an acceptance of their hate, and aiding in their hate by financially supporting their hate.

      Social media has blown up with commentary from the LGBT community that is filled with hate against these companies.

      Why are you more concerned about faceless corporations, than you are about real people? You do realize that the Supreme Court gave corporations more rights than American GLBTQ’s? Corporations aren’t exactly hurting, or in desperate need of your defense.

      but it certainly was not an intentional attempt to alienate the gay community.

      But it was an implicit action that demonstrates they value the opinion of an anti-gay politician, more than the opinions of GLBTQ Americans.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 5:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mr. Enemabag Jones
      Mr. Enemabag Jones

      @Haters:

      Not everybody who disagrees with you hates you or wants to see your untimely demise.

      How can you correlate the above statement with the situation in New Jersey, where one of Glenn Beck’s 9/12 groups has successfully had a book written for queer teens about coming out, banned from school libraries?

      The woman leading that charge also opposes marriage equality. As does Glenn Beck.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 5:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS
      PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS

      Almost every post above (except the obvious ones) are right on target and show what a absolute waste of time and energy these misguided persons are expending…………

      If those who spew so much vile hatered against our community never even have a coherent reason for their vitrol against all things Gay. The repugnatican party lock step follows the talking points memo: Anything Gay = Bad. End of discussion. You see interviews with these lemming like lunatics and when asked simple questions:

      ~If they actually know anyone Gay, they reply “No”
      ~Has anyone Gay ever acted against your or your family in a negative way? “No”
      ~How will Gay marriage negativaly affect you and your family?
      “I can’t say”

      For anyone that can call themselves Gay and identify with the repugnatican party is incomprehensible to me. They have clearly unequivobilby stated they do not want you. You can get one or two to give you a half hearted welcome but the leadership and rank and file have made it clear you are not welcome.

      Why on earth would one continue to knock on a door that is never going to be answered????

      Aug 1, 2010 at 6:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Haters
      Haters [Different person #1 using similar name]

      @Mr. Enemabag Jones:

      When one is confronted daily with hate; intimidation; violence; and the outlawing of equality, one tends to fight back with hate. We can be America’s doormat for only so long.

      Welcome to being almost every person in America. The gay community does not have the market on being hated.

      I would–if you had your own thoughts. You’re merely parroting what the Maggie Gallaghers of America spout.

      I have never heard of her. But go ahead and assume that if you like.

      That is what a political donation to an anti-gay politician is–an acceptance of their hate, and aiding in their hate by financially supporting their hate.

      Again, just because someone disagrees with your social views, does not mean they hate you. You may hate them for disagreeing, but that doesn’t mean the feeling is automatically mutual.

      I guess we all can’t live in a world filled with unicorns, and pixies, Haters.

      You go ahead and believe the worst about people. I’m sure that will make for a very fulfilling life.

      Why are you more concerned about faceless corporations, than you are about real people?

      Those “faceless” corporations are actually filled with real people from all walks of life. They are, primarily, hard-working, good people who work to provide for themselves and their families. Do believe that you will walk into Best Buy or Target and find it filled with robots or a bunch on neanderthals?

      But it was an implicit action that demonstrates they value the opinion of an anti-gay politician, more than the opinions of GLBTQ Americans.

      No it isn’t. It only proves that they support an environment that fosters business growth. You may disagree with that, but there is nothing implicit regarding an agenda against the gay community.

      Your case is very well stated, but it is from such an extreme bent. Yours is the kind of argument that will ensure we never get anything accomplished. You will never get everything you want. Our society is too diverse, with too many points of view. It doesn’t mean everyone hates, it just means not everybody agrees with you. At some point, I hope you become okay with that.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 6:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mr. Enemabag Jones
      Mr. Enemabag Jones

      @Haters:

      Welcome to being almost every person in America. The gay community does not have the market on being hated.

      No. The market was forced upon us.

      No other minority is as legislated against as us. DADTDP; DOMA; Consitutioanl amendments banning any kind of legal recongniotonon of our relationships.

      Nor would average Americans tolerate the government–both federal, and state–passing laws making any other minority the victim of punitive legislation.

      As far as violence, violence against the LGBTQ community encompasses some of the most violent attacks of any other minority. While many other visible minorities suffer through verbal attacks, or vandalism; the queer community receives some of the vicious physical attacks in America. Just ask the FBI.

      I have never heard of her. But go ahead and assume that if you like.

      I didn’t realize you could get an internet connection in a cave.

      Again, just because someone disagrees with your social views, does not mean they hate you.

      It’s one thing to disagree. It’s another to use that disagreement to legislate against any kind of recognition, or equality.

      And again, by donating to a politician with known anti-gay bias, the organization making the donation is abiding by their hatred and aiding it.

      You may hate them for disagreeing, but that doesn’t mean the feeling is automatically mutual.

      If they don’t hate us as you state, why do they paint us as diseased, child molesting, fornicating, destroyers of marriage, and the entire realm of heterosexuality? And then use those justifications to pass laws making our lives illegal?

      All I’m doing is disagreeing. They are financing a person who can use the legislative branch to make our lives illegal.

      You go ahead and believe the worst about people. I’m sure that will make for a very fulfilling life.

      And you continue to defend the indefensible.

      Those “faceless” corporations are actually filled with real people from all walks of life.

      But it is the faceless corporation who authorizes the donation, and the head of said faceless corporation who cuts the check. The fact that Target would knowingly donate money to an anti-gay politician, while knowing they have GLBTQ employees who will suffer through anti-gay legislation, demonstrates how little they were concerned with their gay employees.

      Would you defend Target is they donated to David Duke?

      They are, primarily, hard-working, good people who work to provide for themselves and their families.

      And there is the key word–EMPLOYEES. You are more than welcome to defend the rank and file who actually do the work, and make a company function. But you are defending the people at the top–the CEO, the COO, the CFO–all the people who pledged money to an anti-gay politician.

      Now, what about the hard working, good gay people, who must work for a company who financially supports an anti-gay politician? Do you give a damn about them?

      Do believe that you will walk into Best Buy or Target and find it filled with robots or a bunch on neanderthals?

      You are welcome to defend the rank and file who make every business in America work. But you will not be permitted to defend, or wipe away the simple fact hat the labour of those rank and file employees, that fatten the corporations bottom line, was used to finance an anti-gay politician.

      If you’re so concerned about the employees of Target and Best Buy, why don’t you advocate for that money donated to politicians, be given to the employees who actually did the work? Or are you a crying towel for poor, underpaid politicians, as well as multi-billion dollar corporations?

      No it isn’t.

      Yes it is.

      It only proves that they support an environment that fosters business growth.

      It proves that do not care who advocates for them in Washington, whether they are a bigot, or not.

      You may disagree with that, but there is nothing implicit regarding an agenda against the gay community.

      Again, by financing an anti-gay politician, they are financing his hate.

      Your case is very well stated, but it is from such an extreme bent.

      And your case is poorly stated, and comes from the myopic view that all ends justify the means. You seem more concerned with defending faceless corporations, and anti-gay politicians, than the welfare of LGBTQ Americans who will be negatively impacted by anti-gay legislation.

      If you’re so concerned about keeping the employees of the corporations employed, why are you not bothered by the fact that in 31 states, it’s legal to terminate an employee because of the sexual orientation?

      How do you think that legislation came about? Donations were mad to an anti-gay politician. That anti-gay politician was able to win office, and while in DC, was able to support motions, and bills that would disemploy gay Americans. And where did that money to help fund the career of that anti-gay politician come form? Americans who hate us enough, to want to see us unemplyed.

      Yours is the kind of argument that will ensure we never get anything accomplished.

      And your apathy, and tolerance of intolerance, guarantees the continuance of the status quo.

      You will never get everything you want.

      So we should take whatever anti-gay politicians decide we should have?

      Our society is too diverse, with too many points of view.

      Our society is governed by the insane meanderings of anti-gay right wing media; talking heads who are rewarded with book deals for being anti-gay; and politicans who try to priove who of them is more anti-gay.

      Until society learns some critical thinking, it will never grow. If we do as you suggest, lay down and allow our lives to be governed by anti-gay politicians, why should society decide that we deserve equality?

      It doesn’t mean everyone hates,

      It means most people hate. Just look at California for evidence. One of the most liberal states in America, where even the Republicans are more liberal the the Democrats of southern states, still doesn’t see us worthy of equality.

      it just means not everybody agrees with you.

      And so the majority should be permitted to decide how we live our lives? I bet if you’d been around during the segregation years, you’d be telling black Americans to just sit down at the back of the bus.

      At some point, I hope you become okay with that.

      When we have the kind of unparalleled power that anti-gay Americans have to control our lives, I will become ok with that. Until that time, I will continue to fight for our equality.

      Whether you like it, or not.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 7:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • randy
      randy

      If GOProud wants to be taken seriously and attract members, they certainly wouldn’t be doing a stunt like this. So obviously, being taken seriously and attracting members is not really in their game plan.

      We see these types all the time. There is a substrata of young white men who come from conservative upper class backgrounds, whether they are gay or straight, enjoy acting like jerks. They see all this PC stuff on campus, liberalism run amok, environmentalism as a religion, and all the other stuff. so they decide like they will act like jerks, just to stiff it to the liberals — they throw trash around and be as wasteful as possible (cause global warming is a liberal conspiracy), they treat women like garbage, make jokes about other minorities, and basically do whatever they can to irritate liberals.

      These GOProuders are doing the exact same thing. Liberals boycott a hotel? Then dammit, we’ll SUPPORT the hotel. The reason is immaterial — the whole point is to just irritate liberals.

      Which they have succeeded in doing. The fact that it makes them look like immature children and that it actually hurts their cause doesn’t matter to them, even if they were aware of it. They don’t WANT to be taken seriously. In their minds, they are making liberals look unserious by acting just as badly as liberals.

      The solution? Ignore them, just as you would ignore children who do stupid things to get your attention.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 8:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Darren
      Darren

      @randy:

      Your post was flawless. Well done. Please guys, just ignore them and stop giving them attention. That’s what they’re after.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 9:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • randy
      randy

      Thank you Darren! I would just add that their agenda isn’t to advance gay rights or anything. Their agenda is to discredit liberalism in all its forms, and they think that the best way to do that is to attempt to undermine the liberal agenda.

      You can be assured that they are sitting the hotel pool snickering over cocktails about how they screwed up the liberals boycott of the hotel.

      Gay rights? THEY certainly don’t need them. They don’t have to worried about being fired from their jobs, none of them are in the military, and for those few who want to get married, they can fly to Massachusetts. Since they have everything they need, why should they work to make anyone else better off?

      Frat boys. Ignore them.

      Aug 1, 2010 at 10:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Zach
      Zach

      @randy:

      That’s a pretty accurate description of every conservative I’ve ever known, even the ones I like and am friends with.

      Aug 2, 2010 at 10:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • whatever
      whatever

      @randy: In other words, “I got mine, fuck you!” Conservatism to a “T.” It’s such a vile ideology.

      Aug 2, 2010 at 11:44 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • randy
      randy

      I once met a woman, conservative (straight) who refused to eat tofu in a Chinese restaurant “because that’s a liberal thing.” I also know conservative men who make a point of eating steak when they go out, not because they love steak so much, but because they know it will piss off the vegetarians, who they assume are all liberal hippies.

      There isn’t much you can do with such childishness.

      Aug 2, 2010 at 11:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John (CA)
      John (CA)

      @Zach: Unlike George Lucas, I am perfectly content to spare the audience from an unnecessary prequel. Because the “he was seduced by power” explanation they offered in 1977 was just about as insightful as anything we got twenty years later.

      There are rewards for being a zealot, racist, or corporate shill. One closeted gay, Cecil Rhodes, built a vast empire in Southern Africa being all three at the same time. Now, I suppose we could delve into the dark recesses of his sexually repressed Victorian upbringing – in retrospect – and derive all sorts of hypothetical scenarios from that. We have that luxury. But if I were a 19th century Zimbabwean who was forced to convert to Christianity and work in one of his diamond mines, Mr. Rhodes’ sexual angst is somewhat beside the point. And where exactly does the “self-hating homosexual” end and the greedy, selfish bastard begin?

      I could ask the same of an overgrown frat head like Christopher Barron. Somehow, I doubt Prop. 8 failing and the lack of a boycott at the San Diego Grand Hyatt would have turned him into a better person.

      Aug 2, 2010 at 1:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jonathan
      Jonathan

      I smell a big rat and it is GOProud. It seems a front group to lessent the economic threat that concerted boycotts – as in the Manchester Hotel boycott – can do to businesses.

      When the next Proposition is voted on to repeal Prop 8 and l;egalize gay marriage I guarantee Doug Manchester will donate to it.

      Doug Manchester just doesn’t want any backlash that will cost him money.
      GOProud is two losers who deserve never to get any attention ever again.

      Aug 2, 2010 at 2:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dan
      Dan

      Isn’t this group just the escorts who service Republican politicians and supporters?

      Aug 2, 2010 at 10:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • wompman
      wompman

      Randy – your # 44 post is spot on. They are just attention seeking morons. Just look at the picture of that old-ass dipshit standing around shirtless flipping the bird. That’s fine for a 20 year old frat boy, not someone who claims to head a “respectable” organization. Clearly he’s just an immature tool seeking attention.

      Haters, when the rest of America has laws passed banning any recognition of their relationships, has organizations in business just to make their lives more difficult, has a major political party full of state platforms denigrating their existence and is beaten senseless fairly regularly for walking down the street hand in hand with the one they love then we can talk about how everyone is hated.

      Aug 2, 2010 at 10:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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