I want to apologize for all of the hurtful and painful things that have been said about people in the church that have been talented and gifted and musical, that we’ve used and we’ve embarrassed… and all this other horrible crap that we’ve done. We have not treated them like people. We’re talking about human beings, men and women that God has created.
The Bible is not a book that’s an attack on gay people. It’s not a book written to attack gay people. It is horrible that we have made it where The Bible is a homophobic manual. That’s not what The Bible is. I mean you want to talk about things that God gets at… pride and jealousy and envy and arrogance. But what we also see is God sending his son to save us all, because we were all… straight, gay or whatever, lost and in need of a savior, and there’s room at the cross for all of us.”
— Grammy-winning gospel artist Kirk Franklin in an interview with The Grio
Grant Mealey
Cool….thanks I guess…..I haven’t ever understood why not more sympathetic??? That church as a whole I mean ……ð??? actually why no empathy maybe better word……sigh
Christopher Hayward
A brave man.
martinbakman
Sounds like he is specifically talking about how members within homophobic churches have been treated, and not a general apology to gay people. Makes sense.
CWM85
This is rare… actually never seen this happen. Wish more would follow up and apologize for this continued nonsense.
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Kieran
Now that’s what a Christian is supposed to sound like.
Arcamenel
Kirk Franklin would be the one to make this kind of apology. There has always been a bit more sugar in his tea.
Bob LaBlah
“The Bible is not a book that’s an attack on gay people. It’s not a book written to attack gay people. It is horrible that we have made it where The Bible is a homophobic manual. That’s not what The Bible is. I mean you want to talk about things that God gets at… pride and jealousy and envy and arrogance. But what we also see is God sending his son to save us all, because we were all… straight, gay or whatever, lost and in need of a savior, and there’s room at the cross for all of us.”
I won’t knit-pick your comment, Kirk, but in my honest opinion the points that you speak of are where I have always felt ANY bible becomes lost in translation. It (the bible) had good intentions considering how Moses had amongst his flock thieves, murderers, child molesters, rapists, adulterers, adulteresses, lesbians and gays. What he had was a mess on his hands that he was expected to lead. He had to go up on that mountain and come down with some serious rules that all agreed to follow.
But as far as all FOLLOWING to the letter………now begins the problem. If they follow it to the letter there simply is no place for us. If it is looked upon as what it is, the words of man, one can see the flaws just as you do.
Captain Obvious
Why does the title say “Black church” specifically? Are only black churches homophobic? I’m fairly certain that’s not the case. And my church which is a black church isn’t remotely homophobic. There are multiple gay men on the board and the choir director is gay. They’re all frequently invited on church trips and everyone knows they’re gay because they’re out and proud.
So I’m really tired of hearing this meme about all black people being homophobic. Black people are no more or less homophobic than anyone else in America. Homophobia is a problem period, stop singling out black people, as that is clear r@cism.
Black people have enough issues to work out without white gay men who aren’t experiencing “black homophobia” piling on something else and pretending gay black men don’t exist.
Kangol
Good for him, though it’s not just “Black Churches” that are hom0phobic; the Roman Catholic Church just fired a priest, Krzysztof Charamsa, who had the courage to come out, and who is now denouncing that church for the psychological cruelty it inflicts on its faithful, the Mormon Church has just announced new, harsh anti-gay measures, and some Islamic sects advocate the death penalty for gay people.
Kirk Franklin also might look a bit more in the mirror. He’s not the butchest gal in the choir and probably has been fronting himself for quite a while. Some of us see right through you, Miss Thing. Acknowledgment of homophobia and apology appreciated, though.
Bob Pattinson
He will be ‘punished’ by many fundagelicals, both black and white.
martinbakman
Yup.
The article promotes a stereotype and doesn’t even deliver the message Franklin intended.
Spiritual people have suffered spiritual abuse and these folks deserve an apology from the homophobic churches that have created the abuse.
JerseyMike
@Captain Obvious: Thank you!! So tired of hearing that sh!t.. we are no more homophobic than any other group.. I’m going to give Kirk a pass on this because he can only speak from the black church prospective.. if other groups are so excepting why are so many their kids, husbands, wives and etc. still in hiding.. The Christian right is no small group of people. If the world was so excepting gay people would have had rights long ago.. some states/cities (Houston for one) still very homophobic..
Marky
Taking this with the grain of salt that it’s worth.
drivendervish
Who is Kirk Franklin and why does he feel responsible for thousands of years of institutionalized hatred and homophobia? What good is an apology to faceless, nameless people? If he really cares he should use whatever power he has to make positive changes in the religious community that sadly is mostly comprised of people who cling to portions of the bible that can be twisted and bent into support for their hateful agenda while ignoring the rest.
ric
No. White churches are to. But in the black church it is the ultimate sin to be gay. Even though most of the choir and the choir director are gay. In the black family telling your mother you are gay is like slapping her in the face. Most black families have been involved with the church for many years. And most ministers in the church do not hold their tongue when it comes to gay issues.
LadyL
@Captain Obvious: Fine. Then let’s discount “white men who aren’t experiencing black homophobia” and just discuss BLACK LGBT people–like myself and many others–who have and do experience that.
No, ALL black people are not homophobic and ALL black churches do not scapegoat gays as the downfall of the Black Family. Nevertheless homophobia retains a strong and ugly face in black communities and too many African-American LGBT people–especially the most vulnerable of us, the very young and the elderly–are the walking wounded living guarded and mostly invisible lives within their own families, neighborhoods, and on the job.
And what I am sick of are the apologists who would rather pretend otherwise than admit the reality and deal with it.
And by the way–nowhere does Franklin suggest that black churches are “more” homophobic than any other church or religion. He is a black man who is active in his church and is simply acknowledging what he knows, what he has seen others experience. And I commend him for that.
LadyL
@drivendervish: Why shouldn’t he feel responsible? Hasn’t he, in some way, been a part of it? To me Kirk Franklin’s apology represents an at least tacit acknowledgement of that.
Homophobic hatred takes hold in churches, homes and communities–white and black–not simply because of fire and brimstone bullying but also because of the silence of friend and neighbor bystanders. They may disagree but would rather avoid openly confronting the bullies in their midst, and their silence is taken as agreement and approval leaving the victimized to feel they have no real allies anywhere, at least not when it counts.
A public apology is as good a place as any to start that conversation, it seems to me. Even if, for whatever reason, some would rather not have it.
Xzamilio
@LadyL: Don’t waste your time with some of these folks. You’re a sellout, an Uncle Tom, or a raCOON if you acknowledge the homophobia in our communities… as white people are our litmus test for every-damn-thing. “White people do it, too.” Although, I will admit that the title is seriously misconstruing what Kirk Franklin said in the source material. Not even trying to defend Queerty, but the articles concerning religious homophobia have been predominantly white so we already know it’s not just OUR churches… just more nitpicking about generalities.
But where is the article about the Mormon church’s new policy concerning homosexuality and children of same sex couples?
DarSco
WOW! that is like career suicide in that gospel community
LadyL
@Xzamilio: I know Xzamilio, I know… At the heart of the it’s-not-just-us protest lies a creeping anxiety about how the issue (whatever it is) makes us look to the larger world (read: White Folks). The “let’s not air our dirty laundry” syndrome. But that kind of self-protection is ultimately so self-defeating. Exactly who are we protecting?
And of course if you turn it around, if someone comes here and posts how sick and tired they are of the anti-LGBT stories about the Catholic or Mormon or Evangelical Church, we’d all land on them like sumo wrestlers. And they’d deserve it.
…It’s interesting you mention the Mormon Church and children of same-sex couples. Are you thinking of the recent news story about the Utah judge trying to take away from a lesbian couple the baby girl they’ve fostered and are trying to adopt?
Captain Obvious
@LadyL: Are you on crack? White people have TORTURE CAMPS for young white gay teens/men that their parents force them into. Ho, sit down.
Xzamilio
@LadyL: No, I’m talking about the Mormon church’s decision to list homosexuality as an offense worthy of expulsion from the faith, while also telling children of same sex couples that they cannot be baptized until after they turn 18 and then they must go on record as denouncing same sex marriage and homosexuality in general. It’s really deplorable.
Richard Hearlihy
I don’t care about him. I left the Church long ago, for all the hatred in there souls
LadyL
@Xzamilio: Truly, it is. I am heartened somewhat by reports that hundreds of members have left the Mormon Church in protest of that detestable decision. (The lesbian couple in Utah story I saw in a morning news segment as I was getting up.)
LadyL
@Captain Obvious: Okay. I took your viewpoint seriously, but since misogynistic name-calling is how you respond to my reply, I won’t make that mistake again.
Ever.
Captain Obvious
@LadyL: That’s right, ho, stay seated. No one needs your “only blacks are homophobic” bs in any discussion. You shut the hell up when facts shut your ass down.
Warm the bench, kid.
Ryan Major
Thank you Kirk, I don’t believe the bible was written to attack gays either.
moldisdelicious
@Captain Obvious:
thank you. homophobia has NO damn particular group or face to it. it’s basically something that is EXTREMELY common in the world that is everywhere. i hate hearing people basically announcing how prejudiced they are by saying that “black people are homophobic and white people aren’t”. like seriously?? like this site doesn’t have a white person damn near every week being exposed as a homophobe and etc. one black person gets exposed as a homophobe and all of a sudden, every black person is homophobic because people try to make that ONE person that is homophobic represent all of them. where is the fucking logic?
i don’t even understand what skin color or ethnicity has to do with homophobia. a homophobe is a homophobe. it’s best not to ASSUME how someone is without knowing them. just like how a lot of us DON’T like to be judged by the world around us because of our sexual orientation and how we go about living our lives. i it’s sad that there’s too many gay people that seem too fond of judging and being prejudiced where they’re ready to generalize and assume this and that about someone because of whatever characteristic they have. however, when they are on the receiving end, they cry and play the victim card. “don’t judge my personality because of my sexual orientation”. so please think about your comments and your thoughts before you go about spewing them exposing your hypocrisy.
moldisdelicious
@Xzamilio:
you’re talking about the same church that REFUSED to allow black people to become priests and become full members or something until the us government got in their ass and was about to snatch their tax exempt status if they didn’t cut the bullshit out. lol.
Louis
While I truly respect his compassion and the fact that anyone religious would be this truthful this isn’t solely about race.
SOME black people are homophobic this is true but not all of them a few ignorant people don’t define an entire community of people much much less an entire race of people.
It isn’t solely African americans either that espouse homophobia in this country Mexicans do muslims do Russians do the list is endless.
Its not about singling out a specific race or nationality its more about taking these few individuals from each sect to task for their venomous words and dehumanizing actions against us as human beings.
There are many white churches that consistently espouse homophobia and prejudices towards us its not a black white thing its a human thing anyone is capable of being homophobic or espousing bigotries or prejudices.
Its not about race or nationality it is however about how one is raised as they develop as human beings.
We have enough racism and prejudices in this world as it is we need to come together not divide even further then we already have been in this regard.
Those who don’t respect or acknowledge the fact that we have plenty of LGBT brothers and sisters who are black need to educate themselves and realize that yes that is a form of prejudice and racism and you can be the change in that regard by being more understanding and also looking at what racism does and causes for so many in this country.
I commend Kirk for openly saying this but I also agree with another poster its better to change things by contributing your time to LGBT foundations such as the trevor project in order to bring about a positive change and hopefully with time burn those bridges between the black church and the LGBT community.
Some churches despite being black or white preach hatred and intolerance that’s not on the race itself though its on the lack of compassion and understanding from the individuals who espouse this kind of attitude .
1EqualityUSA
Captain Obvious, this wasn’t one of your better days. Lady L, I always enjoy reading your thoughtful posts. Not to make excuses for anybody’s homophobia, bear in mind that the amount of fear or pain inherited may make some cling to Scripture as a life raft, no matter the ethnicity.
natdj
I just had this conversation with my son. He is 15 and came out as gay at 13. We talked about the bible being used to hate and hurt gay people. I told my son that it should not have been and that I am sorry that it was and is. I am a conservative Christian, but I am open minded. I see how much the church has focused on gay people that it has contributed to suicides of gay youth, rejection, a turning away of families with gay children, etc. I told him that even though that certain Christains hate gays and use the bible that not all do. My son respected what I had to say and said to me that he appreciated that I realized that I could not change his sexual orientation and accepted him for who he is. Even though he no longer believes in Jesus he knows that we love him and we accept him and that we still pray for him. I told him (never thought I would say this in a million years) I wish we can find a gay affirming church.
As for Kirk Franklin. Everyone will have their opinion. He is looking at it through the eyes of the back church. Whether people want to debate if he is truthful or not is immaterial to me. What is truthful is that too many gays have been hurt from the church. If we talk about love as Christians then we better be open and welcome the LGBTQ community into all of our churches.
natdj
@Louis: If I may add to what you said I would appreciate it. Many Conservative Christains live in a bubble. I did. Fortunately, me being a pastor’s kid my dad rarely preached against gays and my parents never said a derogatory word against a gay person as a grew up. We are insular. But in all actuality it is not just Christains. It is part of who we are. Anyway, I am off topic.
My son came out as gay at 13. He is now 15. We learned to love and accept him unconditionally. It was not easy at first but now we are ok. Our son is not only gay, but liberal, wants to join the democrat party and he is an agnostic. Everything I am not. This is tough, but despite that I love him. I love him because I see that I am no better than anyone else and that gays should have the same rights as me and not be condemned, especially by the church, simply for being themselves.
Tackle
@Captain Obvious: I don’t always agree with you, but this time, THANK YOU! For what you wrote, and for putting @LadyL: in her place. For yrs she’s been coming on here with that, ( Blacks, the Black church, the Black community) are the most homophobic BS. Never directly addressing homophobia, or racism in White communities. Even stating because of a homophobic attack by a Black person, that Blacks everywhere need to sit down, and reflect. But just the week before, when group of White Philadelphia adults attacked two gay men, she didn’t have sh!t to say. A person who is truly against homophobia, is gonna fight and speak out against it from ALL angles…
1EqualityUSA
Tackle, If we were all together in a room, points would be made with less emotion.
demetreus
This site only gets a decent number of comments from stories that promote race-baiting or stories about white boys in underwear…..SMH.
Tackle
@1EqualityUSA: Probably…
davidjohng
@Captain Obvious…”Black people have enough issues to work out without white gay men who aren’t experiencing “black homophobia” piling on something else and pretending gay black men don’t exist.”
What makes you think white gay men don’t experience “black homophobia”? You don’t think white gay men don’t live or work around black people? Everyone influences everyone else. And even if there isn’t contact adding another layer of homophobia to a consciousness of bigotry and ignorance affects everyone.
davidjohng
@LadyL…I really appreciate your strong, clear and powerful comments. You seem like a strong and courageous individual speaking their truth, as uncomfortable as it makes some people.
Captain Obvious
@davidjohng: You aren’t experiencing “white homophobia”? Why are you singling out blacks as the root of all of your problems? All black people you come across in America have a problem with you being gay?
When you can accurately answer that without sounding like a hypocrite and a r@cist you may have something truthful to post about.
Show me ONE instance of black people coming together in a mob to protest, complain about, or attack gay people. I can show you MANY of white people both men and women doing this.
There’s a difference between playing dumb and being dumb. Your next post will prove which is the case.
There’s no black church standing on street corners with picket signs that read “God hates fags.”, you can share the massive stadium I put LadyL in if you want to keep going.
GTT
Captain Obvious,
The torture camps are a TINY percentage of people. Xzamilio is talking about a PERVASIVE culture within his community. Again – you just don’t get it – more denial and blame shifting. Great way to fix things.
GTT
Captain Obvious,
There is church in Harleem that posts outrageous anti-gay signs every week – worse than the signs you are talking about.
HIV rates are horrendeous in Xzamilio’s community.
Fix your community and stop denying the problem. Be part of the solution and not part of the continuing problem.
LadyL
@Tackle: “In my place,” eh? That remark says a lot more about you than me, buddy.
Look, folks. I can only speak with any degree of authority to my own life experience. I can’t address everyone else’s issues. (I don’t live in a white community, so how would I begin to address the homophobia or racism that predominates there?)
Not that I owe you or anyone here any explanations for what I do or do not post, Tackle, but it’s true; I don’t always comment, and for a variety of reasons. Sometimes, frankly, it’s because there’s too damn much nastiness in the room (Looking right at you, Captain Obvious, though you’re hardly the only one). Sometimes it’s because others have already said what I would have, and with much more eloquence.
But not once–NOT ONCE–have I ever suggested that black people or black churches are more homophobic than white ones. That is simply not true, and again, that accusation says a good deal more about your issues than mine.
But I will say that with certain of you there is more than a little sexist mud-slinging that goes on, leading me to suspect that your real problem with me is that I am a gay female sharing my point of view on what you apparently consider your gay male turf. In which case, why not own that rather than make up obnoxious lies?
LadyL
Not by any stretch of the imagination has my every encounter with White America been harmonious. Live long enough and you are going to have an unpleasant moment with somebody.
But I will say that many of the white people of my acquaintance–coworkers, neighbors and in-laws included–have gone out of their way to befriend and support me, especially when I screwed up my courage and finally came out to them. Particularly in these post-Obama times, I find a number of white men and woman have been eager to demonstrate to me their empathy and open-mindedness, with white gay males particularly pleased to claim me as not just friend but family. And that has been true of many, if not all, of my black coworkers, family members and neighbors as well.
That said, one unsettling thing I have noticed about many fellow African-Americans I happen to encounter (in the elevator of my apartment building, in the course of a working day, on line in a neighborhood supermarket, waiting at a bus stop, at a cousin’s birthday party, etc.) is this kind of mindlessness where gays are concerned, and the expectation that because I too am black that of course I agree with their knee-jerk prejudice.
Whenever this happens, I’ve got a decision to make. Do I come out to this person to try to reason with/ educate them (or at least shut them up)? Or do I let the moment go and then stew about it for the rest of the day? (Sometimes it’s a safety issue–in certain circumstances you can be right and you can be dead.) Sometimes I do come out to them, only to find myself drawn into an argument loaded with religious condemnation. Sometimes, I get an about-face apology followed by a lot of eager questions. You just never know what to expect.
The feeling I have about this is that homophobia among black people is deeply complex and rooted as much or more in racism than religious belief–or the two have become entwined in ways complicated by fear and ignorance. It’s almost as though there’s a script we all expect each other to follow. Not too long ago one of my coworkers, a black woman with strong religious views, apologized to me after we had words, saying: “If I offended you, I’m sorry. It never occurs to me that some us don’t see things the same way.” I knew immediately what she meant, and we’ve mended fences since–we have to work together–but she still believes what she believes.
And I still am who I am.
1EqualityUSA
And I still am who I am. Your circle is lucky.
Xzamilio
@GTT: Ooooooookay… I get the gist, GTT, but my “community” isn’t ravished with HIV, although I readily admit that the HIV/AIDS rates among black gay men and women are alarmingly high. And — consider this the last time I make a disclaimer on anything I say as any idiot would realize I don’t mean ALL — as many strides as we have made with LGBT awareness and acceptance, my stance is the same as LadyL’s in that my experience with homophobia has been predominantly from my own race, and it seems to be more socially acceptable within certain circles, though I am DAMN glad to see that more and more of us are saying “Shut the hell up with that foolishness” and more and more of us LGBT folk are not putting up with it anymore.
I choose to ignore the “Not ALL of us” arguments because they are nothing but red herrings that serve to distract from the substance of an argument and instead prop up a strawman to tear down under the guise of tearing down the real argument… I know better.
Merv
@moldisdelicious: To the contrary, homophobia does have a particular face to it, and it is a religious one. Homophobia, to an almost perfect approximation, is entirely religious in nature. In particular, it is Christian (including Mormon) and Muslim. Without those two religions, homophobia would almost cease to exist.
LadyL
@Xzamilio: See what I mean about eloquence? Thank you, Xzamilio. As usual, well said.
And 1Equality and davidjohng, I appreciate you too. More than I can express.
Captain Obvious
@LadyL: Get a life, Aunt Tom. You’re pathetic.
@Xzamilio: This guy legitimately posted r@cist crap just to be nasty and you got on your knees to suck his dick? Ooook.
1EqualityUSA
Captain Obvious,
You said, “And my church which is a black church isn’t remotely homophobic. There are multiple gay men on the board and the choir director is gay. They’re all frequently invited on church trips and everyone knows they’re gay because they’re out and proud.” (How fortunate that this has been your experience.)
Ric said, “But in the black church it is the ultimate sin to be gay. Even though most of the choir and the choir director are gay. In the black family telling your mother you are gay is like slapping her in the face. Most black families have been involved with the church for many years. And most ministers in the church do not hold their tongue when it comes to gay issues.”
LadyL said, “Homophobic hatred takes hold in churches, homes and communities–white and black–not simply because of fire and brimstone bullying but also because of the silence of friend and neighbor bystanders. They may disagree but would rather avoid openly confronting the bullies in their midst, and their silence is taken as agreement and approval leaving the victimized to feel they have no real allies anywhere, at least not when it counts.”
Kirk Franklin said, “We have not treated them like people, man and women that God has created.”
It’s so fortunate that you have had the positive, gay-friendly experience that you have. Credit must go to the leader of your church. I wish other men of God, such as Pastor Semen Latte in NYC, who posts vile, rabidly hateful words for all to see as they bass by, or Ric’s Pastor, who, “do not hold their tongue” with respect to gays, could see how it should be done.
Slamming people and calling them names doesn’t heal anything. Censorship rarely does. Talking about experiences and comparing these experiences with others gives definition to the problem. You have said profound things on posts, past. I’ve enjoyed your take on issues. Don’t let emotion take away from your message. If your church is progressive and cutting edge, then surely your having been involved in such a lovely, spiritually uplifting setting would no when an apology to another commenter, who’s lovely in her own way, is warranted.
1EqualityUSA
Surely, your having been involved in such a lovely, spiritually uplifting setting would know when….
gaym50ish
@natdj: Thanks for being so understanding of your gay son. I love to see a teenager develop into an independent thinker, but some parents don’t like it because it threatens their authority or the authority of their church. The thinking teen may rebel against the family religion if the teachings contradict his personal experiences. Is it any wonder that an estimated three out of four teens walk away from their churches after they leave home? Young people are not buying into their parents’ or churches’ homophobia.
If your son has really thought about religion and has questioned the existence of a god, you probably won’t change his mind. But instead of encouraging him to find a gay-affirming church, that’s what you yourself should do.
gaym50ish
In early 2009, when many gays were still blaming black people as well as Mormons for the passage of California’s anti-gay Proposition 8 the previous November, the great Civil Rights leader and NAACP Chairman Emeritus Julian Bond gave an impassioned speech at a Human Rights Campaign dinner in Los Angeles and made a very direct comparison between gay equality and racial equality.
Bond said, “When someone asks me, ‘are gay rights civil rights?’ my answer is always, ‘Of course they are.’ Civil rights are positive legal prerogatives — the right to equal treatment before the law. These are the rights shared by everyone. There is no one in the United States who does not, or should not, enjoy or share in enjoying these rights. Gay and lesbian rights are not special rights in any way. It isn’t ’special’ to be free from discrimination. It is an ordinary, universal entitlement of citizenship.”
He quoted the late Coretta Scott King, widow of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. In 1998 she said, “Homophobia is like racism, anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry, in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people — to deny their dignity, their humanity and their personhood.”
Predominantly black churches are no different than predominantly white churches — it depends on the denomination. While black churches in the National Baptist Convention are not friendly to gays, those that are part of the United Church of Christ welcome gays.
Merv
@Captain Obvious: So, you’re a member of a religious organization whose religious texts say that gay people should be executed. Are you proud of that betrayal of the gay community?
Xzamilio
@Captain Obvious: You call THAT genuinely r@cist? You need to get out more… because if you think that is “genuine racism”, you must walk around offended at every damn thing. The truth is a bitch… it’s not r@cist to say true things… did he denigrate you as a black man? Was your identity tarnished and harmed irrevocably because of GTT? And you know what? You’d have a lot more room to talk if you had your own black picture up instead of WHITE Zack Morris (Mark Paul Gosselaar). No BLACK Lisa Turtle? Not even MEXICAN AC Slater?
And FYI, I corrected GTT on the way he phrased what he said, but it wasn’t r@cist… just like it isn’t r@cist when the CDC posts the same shit. You want the narrative controlled on how black LGBT issues are displayed? Control… make your own instead of thinking your white daddies are going to do it for you, you entitled bag of crap.
Captain Obvious
@Merv: LMAO! We both know you don’t believe any of that garbage you just sharted out of your mouth. Try again.
@Xzamilio: Ok, kid. You crave that pasty penis you’ll never have. Stay hopelessly single while worshiping people who literally hate you.
There are plenty of black Americans in the world who are capable of getting along with, loving, and liking white people(as well as everyone else) without becoming a brain dead Uncle Tom. White guys who do like black guys aren’t into the pathetic and desperate types like yourself. Learn to grow a backbone and stand up for yourself(bonus that turns them on). All you’ll attract is the ones into slavery roleplay acting the way you act.
You like the r@cists commenting fail to see the hypocrisy of focusing solely on blacks, being hyper critical of blacks, and never writing the same types of articles with a focus on WHITES. And it’s cute that you talk about a Gravitar because you realized you had no point. God forbid I like a white tv character and still defend black people from false stereotypes. You’re literally that blind black guy at the Klan meeting right now. So pathetic. No one is trying to control anything, you can be pathetic all you want.
You also seem to have no real memory as I pointed out something black people do to black people which is bash based on skin tone. So I have no problem criticizing black people when it’s due, moron. It’s clear you’re a little kid, but it’s really sad, and pathetic how badly you worship the white man when you are the LAST person who’d ever get attention from one. Girl, go get a mirror, and have a seat. One day you’ll learn that you don’t have to become a subservient token just to be in a relationship with someone white(which it’s clearly what you want lil girl).
White people NEVER ever criticize other white people the way they criticize us. Wake up, stop pretending to be blind to it, grow up, defend yourself. Stop acting like a bitch and bending over politically just because you want to sexually.
Where is an apology for the White Church’s homophobia? Show me that. Where are the articles about White Homophobia and how it’s an issue? Oh right, they’re not homophobic, that’s blacks. And there is no r@cism, that’s also blacks keeping it alive. You’re by far the biggest idiot currently on this site and that’s saying something because Giancarlo is still posting here. You don’t like my posts? Cool, feel free to stop reading them, if you keep replying I’ll just keep throwing fireballs up your rear. I mostly ignored your silly white worshiping posts because they’re sad and you’re young but since you feel the need to come up at me I’ll hit you with real truth. Keep it up and die alone. Please do humor me by posting back about a fake white boyfriend who respects you for not respecting yourself, your family, and other people who look like you.
@1EqualityUSA: That’s some high quality trolling. *tips hat*
Bob LaBlah
@gaym50ish: Keep in mind also that during the civil rights struggle the Matachine Society backed civil rights demonstrators in many of the demonstrations throughout the country. A black gay man, Bayard Ruskin, was more or less a “right hand man” for Dr. King. Both he and Julian Bond reminded many civil rights leaders who objected to gays being involved in the struggle that they did owe the gay community for their support.
What I really admired about the late Julian Bond was how he refused to attend Mrs. King’s funeral because it was being held at the church of that notorious queen, Bishop Eddie Long. He publicly told the world that it was because of him, Bernice King and the shit that they pulled and said (marches against the black gay community and at every opportunity a mike was made available they said nothing but derogatory comments) that he opted to sit out that funeral. Now THERE was a man of principle. Thank you for bringing him up.
Xzamilio
@Captain Obvious: I’ve never had sex with a white man in my life (not saying I wouldn’t) so the only one it seems is seriously craving some of the Caucasian persuasion is you. And your little off-based essay was some prime A project of the level A kind, as A. You don’t know me from a can of paint and B. If you REALLY wanted to have a point, you wouldn’t be so damn keen on dismissing any contrarian point as “subservient tokenism” because the only token I see is the one so damn afraid to have their own shit laid bare. Are white people your litmus test? Does everything you do or don’t do have to be weighed against whether or not white people do it, too? Call me a token, call me an Uncle Tom, keep making digs at my dark skin or my looks while still hiding behind a Gravitar… it doesn’t bother me anymore, because the same stupid jackasses like you talking about loving our black identity are the same ones saying shit like “You crunchy black ass midnight looking MF.”
Where is the apology for the White Church’s homophobia? Ask them… what the fuck does that have to do with us? What does that chance about the BLACK CHURCH’S homophobia? Not a damn thing, and no matter how many times you keep trying to prop up that stupid ass strawman, NO ONE is saying ALL BLACK CHURCHES or ALL BLACK PEOPLE are homophobic. And now I KNOW you need to get out more because I see more white people criticizing white Churches than I do black people criticizing them? Do you see what’s going on with the Mormon Church? The Catholic Church? That crazy bitch Kim Davis? You see what you want to see, and all that does is feed into your bitter narrative… that because of my opinion, I must want the white man all up in these black chocolatey walls!! Do you know it’s possible to have one opinion while not wanting to be fucked by a white man??
I’m not none of LadyL… you wanna bring it? Fucking bring it!!! You are the lowest piece of shit there is.. the kind that will trying to guilt someone else’s superficiality when your comments are nothing more than self-reinforcing drivel as to why Queerty devotes most of it articles to pretty gay men with tight bodies… because that’s all you think matters. A white man wouldn’t want me? My time here in San Antonio would beg to differ. Have the last word… I wash my hands of you
1EqualityUSA
Pastor Worley-electrified fences, Ted Haggard, Fred Phelps, John Hagee, Rick set-myself-onfire Scarborough, Gaylard Williams, AFA’s Bryan Fischer, Kevin Swanson, James David Manning, Mark Holick, Alexey Ledyaev,Rick Wiles, Tom Daniels, Jeff Owens,Terry Jones, Tom Brock, Randy Scott, Scott Carpenter, Ryan J. Muehlhauser, Carl Gallups, Bob Perdue, Art Cribbs, Liberty Counsel’s Matt Barber, Joel Osteen, the very latent Pastor Curtis Knapp of New Hope Baptist Church in Seneca, Kansas, Dennis Leatherman, Nathan Hasty, Andy Addis, Brent Girouex, Wycliffe SmithRobert Jeffress, Rowan Williams, Jose Santiago, Larry Tomczat,Tom Brown, Ray Chavez, Nate Oyloe, Kenneth L. Miller, Boyde Watson Holder, Jr., Wesley Hill, Logan Robertson, Joshua Feuerstein, Rolando Jiminez, Davidson Academy, Steven Anderson, Sean Harris, Erik Samuelson, Rick Warren, Grant Storms, Stephan Boissoin Bert Farias, Catholics Larry Silva, John Nienstedt, Keven Dolan, Jean-Marie Lovey, Richard Clark, Timothy Dolan, Joseph Kurtz, Salvatore Cordileone and his mother, Mark Davies, Justin Welby, John J. Meyers, John McKee Sloan, Philip Tartaglia, Gino Flaim, Ysrael Bien, Julian Capsali, Benedict and Francis, Manuel Gallo Espinoza, Louie Giglio, Carl Tropper, and many, many more, including nameless cult members of the Mormon fold all have come under intense scrutiny on Queerty. Some had multiple stories about them. All non-black pastors, priests, and Popes. We picked them off in the comments section. Enjoying the irony that these men of God were supposed to be loving. Yeah.
Louis
@natdj: I don’t condemn you for your mistake I celebrate the fact that you were still able to show your child love and compassion and that you ultimately realized that he was no different then you are and as equally deserving of love and compassion as your child.
Homophobia comes from a place of fear and a lack of understanding I don’t understand why I never will but the fact that you actually took the time to educate yourself and realize what more people should realize about us is something I celebrate .
Ty for being a rare example of compassion and kindness and ty even more so for condemning those who use their religious beliefs as a weapon to project hate onto others and make them feel as if they are less then they are as a human being.
Im happy your son has a father who loves him unconditionally instead of a parent that would rather disown their child or throw them out on the street to fend for themselves then to ever have a child who is gay.
Ty for being a good example in that regard and I only hope parents who aren’t as understanding can follow that example of kindness and love.
Louis
@gaym50ish: Ty for writing that lovely piece.
I always tell those who happen to be black who equate our rights as human beings to not being the same as their civil rights exactly what Corretta Scott King said about that.
That lovely kind woman even said that gay rights were a civil rights issue sadly though no matter how many times I try to get people to understand this they refuse to listen.
1EqualityUSA
Dismiss molecules, as this animated industry adds no value. Our spirits speak to one another. The flesh moves. Ego has talons. That’s the meat of the matter.
GTT
Captain Obvious sounds nasty.
GTT
Maybe this is more accurate: Captain Obvious sounds GHETTO.
1EqualityUSA
GTT, I do not like the term you used to describe our brother, Captain Obvious.
Aristotle said, Anybody can become angry–that’s easy, but to the right degree and at the right time and for the right purpose, and in the right way–that is not within everybody’s power and is not easy.”
Anger consumes people, eats them whole. Hate must be a macrophage, filled to the brim with offending particles. Now, ligands….they have to be love. Anything that can bring to inactive monomers together, hetero or homo, has to be love. Dimerization is truly romantic. Who knew monomers could be ‘mo’s’?
1EqualityUSA
“Two” my brain is fried. Although, when I was writing “to” instead of two, my mind was already working out where apostrophes would go on, ‘mo’s. All those apostrophes look like newly tilled soil that’s been seeded. My damned brain is fried. help.
Tackle
@LadyL: I appreciate you going out of your way to reply. With that, I got a much better understanding of you, to the point that I see that you are not the enemy, that I thought you were. And BTW, I am the least bit sexist, and truly believe in the LGBTQ: As a community, and Queerty as a community form…
Curtispsf
@LadyL: Your comments lead me to believe that you are someone of integrity and self-reflection; someone I’d be pleased to call a friend. Not so with Captain Obvious who is obviously a smart but snarky self-righteous asshole.