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	<description>Free of an agenda. Except that gay one.</description>
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		<title>By: M Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/gravel-still-fighting-for-the-gays-20080328/#comment-47267</link>
		<dc:creator>M Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They couldn&#039;t be more different from each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They couldn&#8217;t be more different from each other.</p>
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		<title>By: M Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/gravel-still-fighting-for-the-gays-20080328/#comment-47266</link>
		<dc:creator>M Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian: If it was the case that the countrys&#039; assets were passed on to the ruling class, that would be just like the US currently and would be fascist.

The actuality is that I have no love for any form of dictatorship-either Stalinist or Corporatist. 
The thing that both ofthem fear is  democratic politics which has only proven to work well with a combination of Keneysian regulated privatization and  socialism so that no  one is victimised. Right wingers hate the idea that there is an alternartive to Stalinism which is compatible with democracy. The lie is always that  Stalinism is no better than unregulated Corporatism..

It&#039;s been a convenient lie in the anti intelectual and uneducated U.S.to promote the delusion that stalinism is like democratic Socialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian: If it was the case that the countrys&#8217; assets were passed on to the ruling class, that would be just like the US currently and would be fascist.</p>
<p>The actuality is that I have no love for any form of dictatorship-either Stalinist or Corporatist.<br />
The thing that both ofthem fear is  democratic politics which has only proven to work well with a combination of Keneysian regulated privatization and  socialism so that no  one is victimised. Right wingers hate the idea that there is an alternartive to Stalinism which is compatible with democracy. The lie is always that  Stalinism is no better than unregulated Corporatism..</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been a convenient lie in the anti intelectual and uneducated U.S.to promote the delusion that stalinism is like democratic Socialism.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/gravel-still-fighting-for-the-gays-20080328/#comment-47216</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Spain (and Scandinavia), gay adoption is illegal.  Lesbians seeking to start families are denied access to artificial insemination.  And in Scandinavia, gays are denied access to marriage and are instead segregated into separate-and-less-equal &quot;domestic partnerships.&quot;

The average New Jerseyan gets more civil rights under the law, as a result.

I guess you might call a state that bans same-sex adoption a &quot;utopia,&quot; but I call it &quot;Florida.&quot;

As for &quot;fascism,&quot; you&#039;re the one praising the actions of the Cuban government, which is a unitary dictatorship that imprisons political dissidents and claims ownership of most of the assets of production for the benefit of the ruling class.  Sounds pretty fascist to me, even if it&#039;s dressed up in the doctrinaire and obsolete drag of anti-individualist socialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Spain (and Scandinavia), gay adoption is illegal.  Lesbians seeking to start families are denied access to artificial insemination.  And in Scandinavia, gays are denied access to marriage and are instead segregated into separate-and-less-equal &#8220;domestic partnerships.&#8221;</p>
<p>The average New Jerseyan gets more civil rights under the law, as a result.</p>
<p>I guess you might call a state that bans same-sex adoption a &#8220;utopia,&#8221; but I call it &#8220;Florida.&#8221;</p>
<p>As for &#8220;fascism,&#8221; you&#8217;re the one praising the actions of the Cuban government, which is a unitary dictatorship that imprisons political dissidents and claims ownership of most of the assets of production for the benefit of the ruling class.  Sounds pretty fascist to me, even if it&#8217;s dressed up in the doctrinaire and obsolete drag of anti-individualist socialism.</p>
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		<title>By: M Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/gravel-still-fighting-for-the-gays-20080328/#comment-47199</link>
		<dc:creator>M Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You sound confused Brian.
Most of the countries with rights for gay people are Socialist democracies. Spain&#039;s Spocialist part just legalized Gay marriages, Scandinavia, etc. You have to have political freedom political freedom.
Fascism has had it&#039;s chance and failed again and again and a rose by any other name...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sound confused Brian.<br />
Most of the countries with rights for gay people are Socialist democracies. Spain&#8217;s Spocialist part just legalized Gay marriages, Scandinavia, etc. You have to have political freedom political freedom.<br />
Fascism has had it&#8217;s chance and failed again and again and a rose by any other name&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/gravel-still-fighting-for-the-gays-20080328/#comment-47195</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Libertarians believe that you have a right to liberty.  We don&#039;t believe you have a right to another&#039;s property.

Socialists like M. Shane disagree, and place their &quot;right&quot; to the properties of others above the equality of LGBT people.

Socialists have done very little for real equality under the law for gay people in marriage, adoption, military service, and tax treatment.  In fact, whenever they&#039;re confronted with their dismal records on gay issues by Libertarians, they attempt to change the subject by dragging up failed economic theories of &quot;wealth redistribution.&quot;

Gay people who want real dignity and equality under the law should consider who is fighting for that, versus who is attacking their allies and refusing to fight for their rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libertarians believe that you have a right to liberty.  We don&#8217;t believe you have a right to another&#8217;s property.</p>
<p>Socialists like M. Shane disagree, and place their &#8220;right&#8221; to the properties of others above the equality of LGBT people.</p>
<p>Socialists have done very little for real equality under the law for gay people in marriage, adoption, military service, and tax treatment.  In fact, whenever they&#8217;re confronted with their dismal records on gay issues by Libertarians, they attempt to change the subject by dragging up failed economic theories of &#8220;wealth redistribution.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gay people who want real dignity and equality under the law should consider who is fighting for that, versus who is attacking their allies and refusing to fight for their rights.</p>
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		<title>By: M Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/gravel-still-fighting-for-the-gays-20080328/#comment-47192</link>
		<dc:creator>M Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Libertarians  generally don&#039;t seem to have a clew that on all important issues i.e. equality of economic opportunity, and democracy: their positions don&#039;t really imply political freedom: Their delusion, which I think is honest is that there is a correlation between freedom and unregulated  free-enterprise. They are just another version of right wing but don&#039;t know that the real end product of their idealism.is basically, like the republicans&#039; closer to Stalinism than to democratic socialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libertarians  generally don&#8217;t seem to have a clew that on all important issues i.e. equality of economic opportunity, and democracy: their positions don&#8217;t really imply political freedom: Their delusion, which I think is honest is that there is a correlation between freedom and unregulated  free-enterprise. They are just another version of right wing but don&#8217;t know that the real end product of their idealism.is basically, like the republicans&#8217; closer to Stalinism than to democratic socialism.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/gravel-still-fighting-for-the-gays-20080328/#comment-47115</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We Libertarians are delighted to welcome Senator Gravel to our party and will do everything in our power to fight for equality under the law for LGBT people.

We invite LGBT people and supporters to join with us too.  The record is clear that of the three parties that will appear on the ballot in all 50 states in 2008, only Libertarians are serious about equality under the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We Libertarians are delighted to welcome Senator Gravel to our party and will do everything in our power to fight for equality under the law for LGBT people.</p>
<p>We invite LGBT people and supporters to join with us too.  The record is clear that of the three parties that will appear on the ballot in all 50 states in 2008, only Libertarians are serious about equality under the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/gravel-still-fighting-for-the-gays-20080328/#comment-46981</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate his speaking out.  Regret he is not a gay man running for President.  He is similar to a parent in PFLAG.  I don&#039;t know where he got his empathy for gay causes, but it is good he has it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate his speaking out.  Regret he is not a gay man running for President.  He is similar to a parent in PFLAG.  I don&#8217;t know where he got his empathy for gay causes, but it is good he has it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;re right, jordanboston, he was a representative in the state house of representatives, and then a US senator for alaska. never a governor. he&#039;s still a crazy outspoken dreamer. i appreciate him for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re right, jordanboston, he was a representative in the state house of representatives, and then a US senator for alaska. never a governor. he&#8217;s still a crazy outspoken dreamer. i appreciate him for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/gravel-still-fighting-for-the-gays-20080328/#comment-46943</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it&#039;s always the candidates who don&#039;t have a chance in hell who seem to support LGBT issues tooth &amp; nail. Marriage is a basic civil right that should be attainable by all Americans if they choose. For the truth about gay marriage check out our trailer. Produced to educate &amp; defuse the controversy it has a way of opening closed minds &amp; provides some sanity on the issue: www.OUTTAKEonline.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it&#8217;s always the candidates who don&#8217;t have a chance in hell who seem to support LGBT issues tooth &amp; nail. Marriage is a basic civil right that should be attainable by all Americans if they choose. For the truth about gay marriage check out our trailer. Produced to educate &amp; defuse the controversy it has a way of opening closed minds &amp; provides some sanity on the issue: <a href="http://www.OUTTAKEonline.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.OUTTAKEonline.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: jordanboston</title>
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		<dc:creator>jordanboston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, I&#039;m not sure Gravel was ever governor of Alaska.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, I&#8217;m not sure Gravel was ever governor of Alaska.</p>
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		<title>By: -M-</title>
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		<dc:creator>-M-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I *heart* Sen. Gravel, always have, and always will. I maintain that it was a huge injustice on the part of the corporate media to effectively marginalise his, and Dennis Kucinich&#039;s, campaigns. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I *heart* Sen. Gravel, always have, and always will. I maintain that it was a huge injustice on the part of the corporate media to effectively marginalise his, and Dennis Kucinich&#8217;s, campaigns. :(</p>
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