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Hetero Priests Just As Likely to Molest Kids as Gay Priests!

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Join us in writing some alternative headlines for this riveting discovery: “A preliminary report commissioned by the nation’s Roman Catholic bishops to investigate the clergy sex abuse scandal has found no evidence that gay priests are more likely than heterosexual clergy to molest children, the lead authors of the study said Tuesday. The full report by researchers at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice won’t be completed until the end of next year. But the authors said their evidence to date found no data indicating that homosexuality was a predictor of abuse.”

How about:

→ Turns Out Child Molesting Is Not an Immutable Characteristic
→ Straight Priests Want to Stick Wafers, Etc. In Kids’ Mouths, Too
→ Like Helping the Poor, Gay and Straight Priests Want to Touch Everybody
→ Parents: Don’t Let Straight Priests Come Near Your Child
→ The Vatican Is Gonna Be Pissed!

Your turn!

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On:           Nov 18, 2009
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  • 45 Comments
    • terrwill
      terrwill

      “HOLY shit, we now have to use our hateful hyprotical missives against Hetrosexual marriage now”

      Nov 18, 2009 at 11:46 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ptp
      ptp

      Pedophilia is not about homo or hetero. It is about age. The APA have been saying this for decades.

      Nov 18, 2009 at 12:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 1EqualityUSA
      1EqualityUSA

      ew. He looks like my alcoholic seventh grade teacher who made us read Rudyard Kipling’s, “Kim”, a book much esteemed by him, too much so.

      Nov 18, 2009 at 12:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dontblamemeivotedforhillary
      dontblamemeivotedforhillary

      Pedophiles are by and large heterosexual-identified, even the ones who molest boys including religious leaders.

      Nov 18, 2009 at 1:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • johnston
      johnston

      Nuke the Vatican, Save the future!

      Nov 18, 2009 at 2:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dvlaries
      dvlaries

      ” Shove THIS up your ass, Benny! “

      Nov 18, 2009 at 2:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mike
      Mike

      Guess popey-boy won’t be waving that report around the Vatican will he?

      Nov 18, 2009 at 2:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 1EqualityUSA
      1EqualityUSA

      This would make a nice Christmas card.

      Nov 18, 2009 at 2:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 1EqualityUSA
      1EqualityUSA

      From the desk of Barry W. Lynn
      forward this message
      The 2009 “Values Voter Summit” in Washington D.C. was a battle cry from the Religious Right to its followers across the country. Americans United sent several staffers to sit in on the summit, and they reported that it was clear the speakers’ main intention was to spark anger towards the current administration and galvanize activists for a new front in the “culture wars.”
      The rhetoric was frequently quite extreme. One speaker attacked church-state separation as an idea dreamed up by Hitler. Several called for ending all public support for family planning. Others insisted that Religious Right activists need to “take back” America.
      You can give AU the resources we need to stand up to this radical movement, by joining AU’s Madison Society monthly giving program or making a one-time donation today.
      Workshops at the Values Voter Summit included:
      True Tolerance: Countering the Homosexual Agenda in Public Schools
      Marriage: Why It’s Worth Defending and how Redefining it Threatens Religious Liberty
      Obamacare: Rationing Your Life Away
      These workshops and numerous others like them were extended attacks on LGBT Americans, public education, secular health care and true religious liberty, and provided training to “values voters” to push for public policy dictated by fundamentalist religion.
      The report sent to me by the AU staffers who attended the summit concluded: “In the coming months, we can expect a surge in Religious Right activity as leaders and activists demonize health-care reform in favor of faith-based policies, challenge federal laws that protect citizens from religious discrimination, and preach far and wide for a wave of new activism and plans to reach the next generation.” We must do all we can to deflect these attacks on the church-state wall.
      Please help equip Americans United for the task, by becoming a monthly donor or making a one-time contribution today!
      Americans United for Separation of Church and State
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      membership@au.org

      Nov 18, 2009 at 2:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      Religion is the enemy. Religion is humankind’s greatest tragedy

      It’s time to tax the cults, secularized their schools, hospitals and universities and close their seminaries.

      It’s time to create laws and regulations that forbid priests, imams, preachers, rabbis, mullahs or pastors near children without armed guards being present to protect the children.

      It’s time to arrest der Papenfuehrer, the college of cardinals, bishops and archbishops as accessories to rape and child molestation.

      It’s time to confiscate all the wealth of the roman cult to compensate their victims.

      It’s time to get mean.

      Nov 18, 2009 at 2:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Vo Dong Cung
      Vo Dong Cung

      One more evidence proves that is not “Pope never wrong”

      Nov 18, 2009 at 3:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Matti09
      Matti09

      When I was 12 my minister/Priest had his way with me… I hate them!!!

      Nov 18, 2009 at 5:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • R
      R

      People, we’re talking about an ancient authoritarian group which proclaims the existence of a Great Sky Wizard, which has infinite power and knowledge, but still requires that they relay his demands to the unworthy masses (mostly to avoid seeking knowledge, and to pay tithes to the priests) in the name of some “mysterious plan”.

      It doesn’t suprise me in the least that one of these men could, with fingers still smelling of little boys, check a box on a form declaring he is “straight”.

      Nov 18, 2009 at 5:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • B
      B

      Bill Perdue wrote, “Religion is the enemy. Religion is humankind’s greatest tragedy” You mean like Buddhism? Please explain how Buddhism is “humankind’s greatest tragedy.” That should prove amusing.

      Nov 18, 2009 at 8:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • shea
      shea

      As someone who’s worked both “in the trenches” of sex crimes, and has conducted research about sex offenders, this is NOT new information. The jury has not only come back in, but has definitely handed down the verdict: male sex offenders tend to identify as heterosexual. Female offenders, while more ambiguous due to a smaller sample size of them available for research, tend to lean that way too.

      Again, not at all new to the world(s) that actually deal with these offenders. In fact, I’d say you’re about 10-15 yrs behind…

      Nov 18, 2009 at 8:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • B
      B

      No. 15 · shea wrote, “As someone who’s worked both “in the trenches” of sex crimes, and has conducted research about sex offenders, this is NOT new information.”

      … not quite – they are not talking about the population as a whole but of Catholic clergy, which differs demographically from the external world. A significantly larger fraction of priests are gay than one would expect, for example, because in many cultures that are into Catholicism, men are expected to be married and the only acceptable “out” is to become a priest. It’s worth checking to rule out the unlikely possibility that “gay” pedophiles might be significantly more likely to sign up than “straight” pedophiles.

      Also, in the past, priests entered a seminary at a young age (early teens) and the sexual repression might have warped them in some way. It might have been harder on gay priests than straight ones given the Catholic Church’s institutionalized homophobia, which is another reason to check.

      Nov 18, 2009 at 8:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Keith Kimmel
      Keith Kimmel

      Filed under “Say it ain’t so!”, “Thank You, Captain Obvious!” and “No Shit, Sherlock!”.

      Nov 18, 2009 at 9:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      Tragically, B is incapable of researching the demented ideas that permeate all cults, including Buddhism.

      Traditionally, Buddhism teaches the existence of the ten realms of being. At the top is Buddha and the scale descends as follows: Bodhisattva (an enlightened being destined to be a Buddha, but purposely remaining on earth to teach others), Pratyeka Buddha (a Buddha for himself), Sravka (direct disciple of Buddha), heavenly beings (superhuman [angels?]), human beings, Asura (fighting spirits), beasts, Preta (hungry ghosts), and depraved men (hellish beings).”

      Most gay men who were fascinated by monsters, demons, vampires and other religious figures as children give it up when they reached puberty and began to notice boys. Tragically, B remains fascinated by sky pixies and such.

      Traditionally, DNC employees like B and DNC administrators like ordained bigot Leah Daughtry are members of cults.

      Nov 19, 2009 at 12:38 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • B
      B

      In No 18, Bill Perdue once again proves his intellectual dishonesty by saying, “Tragically, B is incapable of researching the demented ideas that permeate all cults, including Buddhism.”

      The facts: In No. 10 Bill Perdue had claimed, “Religion is the enemy. Religion is humankind’s greatest tragedy” I pointed to Buddhism as a counterexample, so rather than admit he was wrong,
      Perdue simply lied by pretending the discussion was about something else. The facts are the Buddhism, unlike Catholicism, does not have a history of torturing people. Unlike some Christians, Buddhist organizations do not proselytize, nor do they contribute large sums of money to organizations intent on eliminating the civil rights of others.

      Now, I might personally think some Buddhist beliefs (e.g. reincarnation) are crazy, but nobody in his right mind would consider Buddhism to be an instance of “mankind’s greatest tragedy.” Whatever one thinks of Buddhist doctrines, they don’t force it on others and don’t abuse people with guilt trips, nor do they start religious wars where large numbers of people are killed.

      Earth to Perdue: blame the specific sects causing a problem. The ones that “live and let live” are not an issue, so leave
      them alone. And above all, try for once not to make yourself
      look like a complete ass by lying about what others have said.

      Nov 19, 2009 at 12:59 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Robert, NYC
      Robert, NYC

      I’m all for nailing the roman cult out of existence and with Bill on that.

      I can imagine the reaction from the Catholic League’s arch bigot and president, William Donohue who equates pedophilia with a gay orientation simply because he holds a Ph.D. in sociology and is an authority on the subject. Papa Ratzi is sure going to have a hissy conniption over this one.

      And now there’s a new website Churchouting.org that will act as a clearinghouse to out closeted gay priests and prelates who oppose marriage equality and other laws affecting LGBT people. I’m all for it. The Rottweiler in the Vatican wants to weed out all perceived gay seminarians so he’s going to be pleasantly surprised that the very people he vigorously dehumanizes will be pitching in. One positive nail in the coffin to close down parishes and their schools with fewer and fewer priests to run them. Bring it on!

      Nov 19, 2009 at 9:43 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joe
      Joe

      What a disgusting, insensitive, and counter-productive image you decided to use to highlight this story.

      Nov 19, 2009 at 9:59 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Keith Kimmel
      Keith Kimmel

      No. 21 · Joe

      “What a disgusting, insensitive, and counter-productive image you decided to use to highlight this story.”

      I thought the boy was hot.

      Nov 19, 2009 at 10:11 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joe
      Joe

      Maybe you should join the priesthood, or the Family Research Council, or the editorial staff of Queerty…all of whom seem to think that the sexualization of children is ok in the gay community.

      Nov 19, 2009 at 10:13 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joe
    • Keith Kimmel
      Keith Kimmel

      No. 23 · Joe

      “Maybe you should join the priesthood, or the Family Research Council, or the editorial staff of Queerty…all of whom seem to think that the sexualization of children is ok in the gay community.”

      Joe, I am sure the boi in the picture is over 18… even if only he just turned so yesterday. Its legal. Priests had sex with kids who were like 12. Thats disgusting. Don’t compare me to them. I like mine young, but I like them AFTER they have hit puberty.

      And while we are on this topic, I think I am gonna stir the pot a little and say I think its perfectly OK to have sex with a 16 yo. The United States has one of the highest ages of consent in the world. The average age of consent is 16 amongst world nations. Its ridiculous. Kids are old enough to get drafted at 17 and go die for their country but not old enough to smoke, drink or fuck. Yeah, right. I call bullshit!

      “No. 24 · Joe

      I think these guys are hot.”

      Oh, the 2009 Kentucky Derby Part at Phoenix Rising. Now that was a day to remember. The day I botched the handicap of the Derby and wound up cashing a $300 winner on a $10 ticket that should have been a $1000 ticket but I honestly thought that damn horse had NO chance. It was a hedge bet.

      So do I. Considering that I am one of them. And the little plastic penises that Clay and Carl were wearing on the hats were a nice touch. They even lit up!

      Nov 19, 2009 at 12:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joe
      Joe

      ’nuff said. Keith. You’re a NAMBLA guy.

      No one said 16 year olds can’t have sex. 16 year olds can have sex. It’s just prohibited for adults, who have disproportiate power over adolescents, to take advantage of that by having sex with them. The point isn’t about prohibiting 16 year olds from doing something, but protecting 16 year olds from adults who might not have their best interests in mind.

      it takes someone who can’t otherwise get laid to want to have sex with someone without the life experience neccessary to know how to say no.

      Nov 19, 2009 at 12:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Robert, NYC
      Robert, NYC

      I find it hypocritical that an adult having sex with a 16 year old is considered illegal even if its mutually consenting, yet a 16 year old straight male or female, even as young as 14 in some states are allowed to marry with parental consent, even to an adult which to me is nothing more than state sanctioned legal ephebophilia. Makes no sense.

      Nov 19, 2009 at 1:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Keith Kimmel
      Keith Kimmel

      LMFAO, and you’re an idiot.

      And no, I am NOT a “NAMBLA guy”. I didn’t say I want to have sex with 16 yos, I said there is nothing wrong with it. The age of consent is 18, which is too high. I like mine 19-20, actually.

      Nov 19, 2009 at 1:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Keith Kimmel
      Keith Kimmel

      Hey Joe, have you ever been around a 16 yo kid? Their favorite word is no. No, I wont take out the trash. No, I wont mow the lawn. What makes you think they cant say No, I wont fuck you?

      Robert, nothing the religious quacks do makes any sense.

      Nov 19, 2009 at 1:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • B
      B

      Joe wrote, “The point isn’t about prohibiting 16 year olds from doing something, but protecting 16 year olds from adults who might not have their best interests in mind.”

      While there is more or less a world-wide consensus that children and younger teens should be protected from predatory adults, the “age of consent” is basically a judgment call and reasonable people can disagree on what it should be – children mature at different rates so no specific age is optimal for everyone. In states where the age of consent (which is set on a state-by-state basis in the U.S.) is higher than is typical in most of the world, we should be asking ourselves why it is that our teens learn to fend for themselves slower than their world-wide peers. One plausible reason is that the U.S. is so uptight about sex in general that we do an abysmal job in the sex education department. If so, that is something to fix.

      Nov 19, 2009 at 1:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • B
      B

      No. 29 · Keith Kimmel wrote, “Hey Joe,… What makes you think they cant say No, I wont fuck you?”

      For a typical 16 year old boy, it is because what they’d say won’t have the phrase “No, I won’t” before the “f___ you”. :-)

      Nov 19, 2009 at 1:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Austin
      Austin

      Keith: I suspect you’ve never raised a teenage boy. When a teenager says “no”, that’s not the end of the story. What follows after that is a repeat of the order, threats of punishment, whining, arguing, probably some shouting, and if the boy still hasn’t emptied the trash, he could face any combination of punishments like a swat on the ass, grounding, loss of allowance, etc.

      In the case of a boy saying “no” when his stepfather joins him in the shower and orders him to soap up his anus, the boy will get his skull cracked against the tile and be raped anyway, like my friend David was, on a nearly daily basis.

      Nov 19, 2009 at 2:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      The lowest ages of consent in Europe is in the vatican and Spain. In the Vatican it’s 12 (Art. 331) (1) except in dependent relationships (student and teacher) when it’s 15 years (Art. 331) (2). That’s more important for historical reasons, pointing to the origins of roman cult as one of the many splinter cults of judaism and the old Roman common law where the age of consent was 12.

      It’s probably moot since no children are citizens of vatican city and 14 year old Medici and Borgia cardinals are less common these days. Most of the child rapists are in parishes all over the world although some rapists and some who are accessories to rape like Boston’s cardinal Law were given sanctuary in the vatican.

      The 12 year old age of consent in roman law was reiterated in English common law and in the early English North American colonies where it ranged from 10 to 12 at a time when women and children were considered to be chattels of men. It’s been going up since the Civil War.

      The age of consent in US states is variously 16, 17 and 18. In Europe it seems to be trending down especially in new legal codes in former Soviet bloc states and in central Europe where 15 is common. Many nations set different and higher ages of consent for gays.

      ———–

      B lies about most things, including the fact that he’s a paid apologist for Democrats and that all religious groups are based on superstition and ignorance.

      Whether or not they’re actively anti-GLBT at this or that point in their history is immaterial. Groups based on superstition and ignorance are very dangerous and they are the enemy.

      B wants us to believe otherwise. He wants us to believe that there are some good bigots and some bad bigots. Poor, poor B. What will they make you say next? That Obama is not a bigot or that he doesn’t pander to bigots… no, he’s already said that.

      That what he’s paid to say over and over.

      Nov 19, 2009 at 4:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Keith Kimmel
      Keith Kimmel

      “Keith: I suspect you’ve never raised a teenage boy. When a teenager says “no”, that’s not the end of the story. What follows after that is a repeat of the order, threats of punishment, whining, arguing, probably some shouting, and if the boy still hasn’t emptied the trash, he could face any combination of punishments like a swat on the ass, grounding, loss of allowance, etc.

      In the case of a boy saying “no” when his stepfather joins him in the shower and orders him to soap up his anus, the boy will get his skull cracked against the tile and be raped anyway, like my friend David was, on a nearly daily basis.”

      Nope, I have no kids. Don’t want none, either. Yes, I understand the discipline part tho.

      What you describe is rape, that’s wrong at any age. I am talking about consensual fucking. I’m sorry, 16 is the age I think it ought to be at. 18 is too high and 12 is obviously too fucking low.

      Who said t-shirts cant be educational.

      http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a588/a588_bm.gif

      Nov 19, 2009 at 9:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Keith Kimmel
      Keith Kimmel

      “Many nations set different and higher ages of consent for gays.”

      They are still allowed to do that? I thought SCOTUS put an end to that…

      Nov 19, 2009 at 9:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • B
      B

      Bill Perdue is a baldfaced liar. If he wants to claim that I’m a
      “a paid apologist for Democrats”, let’s see him produce one shred of proof. You know, something like a pay check. He can’t do it, so he just repeats his lies over and over in the hope that people will be stupid enough to believe him.

      As to “all religious groups are based on superstition and ignorance” and “Groups based on superstition and ignorance are very dangerous and they are the enemy,” Perdue is merely showing signs of paranoia. Buddhists and Taoists, for example, are not “the enemy”: they do not promote hatred of LGBT people. It’s also rather silly to rant about “superstition and ignorance” just because people living over 2000 years ago don’t know what we know today – you can say the same things about Aristotle and Plato.

      Nov 19, 2009 at 10:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • B
      B

      No. 35 · Keith Kimmel wrote, “‘Many nations set different and higher ages of consent for gays.’ They are still allowed to do that? I thought SCOTUS put an end to that…”

      That’s a joke, right? All of us should know that the U.S. Supreme Court’s decisions apply only to the U.S., not other countries.

      Nov 19, 2009 at 11:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      No. 36 · B – No, B, you prove you’re not.

      Nov 19, 2009 at 11:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Keith Kimmel
      Keith Kimmel

      I mis-read that. I thought it said states, not nations. It used to be the practice of many states to have higher age of consents for homos.

      http://www.ageofconsent.us/
      http://www.livestrong.com/article/12483-age-consensual-sex/

      Nov 20, 2009 at 12:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • B
      B

      No. 38, Bill Perdue wrote, “No. 36 · B – No, B, you prove you’re not.” … so Bill Perdue thinks it is OK for him to make up lies and that others are expected to spend a huge amount of effort trying to disprove those lies. Those are the tactics of someone with no integrity.

      Nov 24, 2009 at 11:17 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • "B" Stupid
      "B" Stupid

      Please tell me I’m very smart for cutting and pasting wikipedia articles – someone, anyone? I want people to think I’m smart.

      Nov 24, 2009 at 11:31 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • B
      B

      In No. 41, some random person wrote, “Please tell me I’m very smart for cutting and pasting wikipedia articles – someone, anyone? I want people to think I’m smart.”

      A comment obviously written by someone who doesn’t like to see citations to articles that show a claim he made was completely bogus. I wonder if the author is in fact Bill Perdue, who does have a very dull ax to grind, and a track record of dishonesty.

      Nov 24, 2009 at 2:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 1EqualityUSA
      1EqualityUSA

      B, I don’t think you are “stupid”. You put a great deal of thought into your posts and they are not boring. Forget about post #41, it means nothing. We all reference sources.

      Nov 24, 2009 at 3:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • noclosets
      noclosets

      Was the issue really about sex at all, I thought it was about marriage of the same sex. Oh well, and even though the vatican or however misspelled , will really be pissed off, it serves them right since they probably enjoy being pissed on too.

      Nov 24, 2009 at 7:28 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      No. 42 · B is getting a little paranoid. It comes with the job. It’s stupid to think that you can get away with writing nothing but excuses for bigots like Obama. People notice – lots of them and you get a rep.

      Sleep tight.

      Nov 24, 2009 at 8:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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