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Hey Gay Teen Porn Pirates: Got $1900? You Can Avoid Being Outed

After its initial amnesty period expired, Corbin Fisher is offering a second round of freedom — with a 90 percent price hike. In an effort to crack down on sharing its films on BitTorrent, the gay porn studio plans to go after so-far-anonymous web users in court. But first it’s offering them a way out, this time with a second amnesty offer that’ll cost $1,900; the first amnesty offer cost $1,000 but came with a free one-year membership to the site (and a promise not to prosecute).

Is this an example of Corbin Fisher and attorney Marc Randazza just being nice? Or has Corbin Fisher and its parent company Liberty Media Holdings realized they might have a huge uphill legal battle after being slapped with a motion to dismiss by a New Jersey electrician who says not only did she never download the porn in question, nor has she ever heard of the company, but the case itself is filed in the wrong district.

(The company says it’s going after a ton of defendants in the South Florida area.)

No stranger to copyright lawsuits, Corbin Fisher and its BitTorrent project threatens to out closeted gay teens (and adults) by naming them in court documents, a fear that has drawn the ire of privacy advocates and, well, Queerty readers. So for the low, low price of $1,900, gay teens can avoid this little dilemma. Will they take cash?

[photo via CorbinFisher.com]

By:           Ryan Tedder
On:           Feb 16, 2011
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  • 46 Comments
    • ousslander
      ousslander

      If they are worried about be outted, maybe they should not have broken the law.

      Feb 16, 2011 at 10:37 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kamuriie
      Kamuriie

      CF/Liberty has a right to protect their IP, but their approach to the situation is naive and counterproductive at best, and dangerous at worst. The people that will be targeted in suits are likely either poor/unemployed people (e.g., students, people still living at home, etc) that aren’t a potential source of income for them. In fact, they’re alienating potential future customers by engendering ill will, just as the RIAA’s campaigns did for them.

      And for all the RIAA’s efforts–all the lawsuits, all the media attention–what did they accomplish? Enormous negativity for the RIAA/music industry and sympathy for the accused. Do you know what finally put a stop to (the vast majority of) music piracy? Music labels being forced to adapt to the Internet. They were forced to change their business model and embraced iTunes and other micro-transaction paradigms.

      CF/Liberty claims to have 40,000 IP addresses logged from bittorrent sharing. Many of those will be in areas where US courts have no jurisdiction, but in any case, no production company on their scale has the resources to litigate 40,000 cases. It’s obvious they’re hoping for people to take the amnesty or settle out of fear of embarrassment or the fear of past copyright infringement judgments (of which CF/Liberty have no hope of actually *collecting* from an individual, but I digress). Even supposing that that happens, the EFF and various other groups will involve themselves, and, again–CF/Liberty’s goals are not met.

      If CF/Liberty really wants to put a dent in piracy, lawsuits against individuals aren’t the way to do it. Although I’d personally argue that their works proliferating online is, in most cases, nothing more than free advertising among potential future customers, or among people that would never pay for their product, there are several ways to accomplish their stated goals without litigation. Both of the two largest trackers accept personal requests from studios to no longer allow their IP to be seeded on the site. There’s a sizable list of forbidden studios, and the site’s admins remove torrents from those studios. I’m not sure how hiring media research groups and a law firm became more feasible than sending out a few e-mails, but I suppose that’s in their ballpark. And heaven help them if they do, as others have pointed out may happen, out a closeted teenager which leads to a suicide.

      Feb 16, 2011 at 10:50 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Roger
      Roger

      Wow … why does Queerty sound like Sarah Palin croaking about “death panels” if liberals got their health care reform through? ” Are they being sued by Corbin Fisher for $1900? I want to see how this is actually targeting gay teens – I somehow doubt Corbin FIsher is a teen draw in the first place – I always thought it was for old blokes like me. Ahh, journalism , we miss thee …

      Feb 16, 2011 at 11:05 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Casey
      Casey

      Fuck the police! Someone should burn down their homes.

      Feb 16, 2011 at 11:50 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Brandon H
      Brandon H

      Why arn’t they going after the trackers? Get rid of the gay porn trackers and you would greatly reduce the ammount being torrented. Sure, more would pop up, but it would be a while before everyone found another one.

      Besides, its the Tube sites that are loosing them money, torrenters are a very small percentage of people savvy enough to do it.

      If they really wanted to be nice they would have given out a warning first: stop torrenting our content by X date, anything we find being torrented after that is subject to litigation. It would have been fair to give people a chance to stop. And go after the seeders who are sharing, not the downloaders (thats what the RIAA did).

      This 1000 dollar amnesty is just tarted up extortion.

      Feb 16, 2011 at 12:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Simon
      Simon

      yes kids, it’s time to crack passwords and get files from the source, not shitty trackers ;)

      Feb 16, 2011 at 2:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BJ
      BJ

      Um… Queerty… maybe you wanna do a bit more research when you post stuff like this. That electrician in NJ has nothing to do with the torrent suits. She’s accused of hacking in to the CF website and stealing files that way.

      You’re just gonna ride this “teen suicide” wave all you can, aren’t you? Doesn’t surprise me, seeing as the first article about it got more attention and traffic than anything else that’s been posted here in ages.

      But if you’re going to run around making such extreme accusations and statements, at least check your facts.

      Feb 16, 2011 at 2:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BJ
      BJ

      @ousslander:

      Totally. Clearly Queerty has an agenda here.

      I’m just trying to figure out if they’re just attention whoring (the last article about this got over 16,000 views so far. Other pieces are lucky to break a few thousand), or just have something against CF?

      And again it’s worth pointing out that the thing he’s linking to about that electrician lady in NJ has nothing to do with the torrent suits. Sheesh, Queerty… follow your own links! And you’ll see that was about hacking. Actually it was about precisely the kind of thing some who posted comments on the last article were advocating CF target rather than torrents – users hacking in to their servers to steal videos and then distribute them illegally.

      So if you’re going to make such extreme accusations and statements as accusing a company of targeting closeted teenagers, at least sort your facts out beforehand?

      Feb 16, 2011 at 2:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Tangelo
      Tangelo

      If they were serious they would make it $100 A $1000?? Now $1900???
      How does one inquire anonymously about this? I am guessing if you contact them, they now have your name or IP address and will put you in their cross-hairs unless you pay up. You must be guilty if you inquire…right?

      I still think their work should start with the original Subscribers to their content who shared the files in violation of their terms of subscription. Then they should be going after the BitTorrent Servers for knowingly sharing CR material.

      Turn off those taps and watch the flow drop to a trickle.

      Think about it this, someone robs a bank. Then they release the money into the air. Do you arrest everyone on the street collecting the money they found and charge them as bank robbers and ignore the person who robbed the bank?

      CF has a right to protect its material. Go after the initial thieves first. String them up by their wallets.

      My 2cents

      Feb 16, 2011 at 3:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BJ
      BJ

      @Tangelo:

      Actually Tangelo that’s precisely what they did, as referenced in the one link about that NJ electrician that Queerty seems to have either misunderstood or not read at all. That lady was accused of hacking in to their site to steal the videos. That whole case was about going after people who hacked in to the site to steal and then distribute the videos.

      And from what I can see in other articles about this amnesty deal (that aren’t misquoted or misunderstood by Queerty), this case is about people uploading the stuff also. They’re not just going after downloaders but people sharing and distributing the stuff. So it is about shutting off those taps, so to speak.

      Feb 16, 2011 at 3:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BJ
      BJ

      BTW for those unaware, the entire way bittorrents work is that you must upload to really be able to download. If you only download and don’t make files also available for upload, you stand a pretty good chance of being cut off from teh torrent or not being able to really access anything. To take advantage of what torrents offer and really be able to download lots of stuff, you also have to let people access files you have and you also have to be sharing loads of stuff.

      Torrents don’t cater to the occasional, once-in-a-blue-moon downloader who just happens upon a file here and there. They are structured and built to make sure anyone who wants to get anything off of them also have to give, give and give. So anyone accessing stuff is most likely making loads of stuff available, also. Doesn’t really help anyone trying to claim they are the least bit innocent in any of this.

      If you’re running around the torrents violating copyrights and breaking the law, goodness knows how many radar screens you’re popping up on. That’s the risk you assume. No one’s fault but your own.

      Feb 16, 2011 at 3:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Daryl
      Daryl

      How exactly is a closeted gay teen supposed to come up with $1900 in two weeks to pay CF off? I can only think of a few, and none of them are legal.

      Feb 16, 2011 at 4:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BJ
      BJ

      Who’s to say there are any gay teens involved in this at all?

      Titan has sued torrent users… and so far no gay teenager suicides.

      Lucas Entertainment sued gay torrent users… and so far no gay teenager suicides.

      Titan’s been suing John Does for yeaaaars. Same with Lucas. Same with CF. Whether it’s bittorrent users or people uploading to tubes or people uploading and downloading from blogs. There have been lawsuits like this for years, involving anonymous users traced to IPs. And yet… no tidal wave of closeted teen suicides. Not even a stream. Not even a trickle, nor drop. In fact… not a single, solitary one!

      Feb 16, 2011 at 4:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • gauldrideeron
      gauldrideeron

      Does this involve USA downloaders only?

      Feb 16, 2011 at 5:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kendall
      Kendall

      So it’s cool if I get my stolen porn from Rapidshare or Hotfile?

      Feb 16, 2011 at 5:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Daryl
      Daryl [Different person #1 using similar name]

      BJ, if they’ve been doing it for years, it clearly hasn’t worked, so they need to try something else. And no one has sued 35,000 people at one time, not even close, so with a much bigger sample size there is a higher chance of there being a vunerable teen or making the wrong parent mad enough to harm their child.

      Feb 16, 2011 at 6:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jeffree
      Jeffree

      @Kendall: Yes, I checked with your Mom & she says it’s OK with her as long as you’re getting good grades & flossing regularly :-D …And keep the keyboard from getting, er, gluey.

      Feb 16, 2011 at 6:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kevin
      Kevin

      No kidding it hasn’t worked, and if this keeps up never will. More porn extortion cases wrecked by a smart judge quashing subpoenas and severing the Does. CF better have lots of lawyers if it wants to sue 35K people in their proper jurisdictions.

      http://www.xbiz.com/news/130692

      Feb 16, 2011 at 6:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BJ
      BJ

      Oh I doubt they’d go after all 35,000 at once. That’d make no sense. I’m sure they’d rather start with the most active offenders, and go from there. Who is to say, though?

      What we do know is that there have been prior torrent cases and John Doe cases; prior legal action from CF and other gay companies, none of which as resulted in any suicide.

      At least here people do have a chance to avoid litigation in the first place. They never even had that opportunity with previous Titan or Lucas suits.

      It all just stinks of Queerty trying to attract traffic and attention. Thus this second post when interest in the first was dying out, and Queerty’s continuing to throw out some crazy theory for which they have absolutely no basis.

      Pretty shameless on Queerty’s fault. If anyone has even put a hint of suicide in anyone’s mind here, it’s Queerty who complately fabricated the scenario and pulled it out of their ass. All for a little attention. Pretty disgusting.

      Feb 16, 2011 at 6:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Simon
      Simon

      @Kendall: forget about it, they’re already sued by CF, try fileserve or filesonic ;)

      Feb 16, 2011 at 7:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Opus
      Opus

      @ousslander: Exactly right, sir! This stupid Queerty blog is all interested in screaming “what about teh children!!!!” just like some crazy Michelle Bachman or Sarah Palin type nut.

      If you broke the law, and the victim puts out a press release that lets you pay and be done with it, I think you get a good deal.

      Feb 16, 2011 at 7:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Thom
      Thom

      @Kendall:

      just stick to streaming. there are so many corbin fisher vids available it makes no sense to download.

      Feb 16, 2011 at 7:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Roger
      Roger

      I really won’t read this blog again, and would suggest to my friends they don’t either. Queerty is clearly hoping to inspire someone’s death to generate high traffic and that’s as appalling a what Fox News does.

      Feb 16, 2011 at 8:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BJ
      BJ

      You do have to wonder. Their first post about all of this generated loads of traffic for Queerty. At least the tone of it was a bit mellow, though. It was more about suggesting the possibilities – still baseless as they were, but at least it attempted to avoid definitive statements.

      But that got Queerty some traffic and attention and thousands more views that most all other posts so what’d they do? Create a new post pretty much blasting out there “teens! teens! teens!” in the title. Pretty transparent, if you ask me. Abandoned any suggestion of objectivity to milk the controversy they created for as much attention as possible.

      Feb 16, 2011 at 9:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Adonis-of-Fire
      Adonis-of-Fire

      Ugh, does anyone really download corbin fisher? It’s boring and so sterile

      Feb 16, 2011 at 9:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Burglekut
      Burglekut

      @BJ:

      Totally absurd comparison. Titan, Lucas etc is completely different content, older guys etc, fetish oriented. Not the clean cut younger 18-24yr olds that teens would be attracted to most. To date, CF hasn’t gone after a grouping that would include said teens.

      One has to wonder what your true motives are, care to divulge your real stake in this matter?

      Feb 16, 2011 at 11:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Rmmt30
      Rmmt30

      Why do people continue to believe that these suits actually generate any money for the plaintiffs?

      As an attorney, I have to say it costs a great deal of money to file these suits, serve them to all relevant parties, get subpoenas, do initial research, conduct discovery, all on multiple parties and places, etc. You need to invest a great deal of time and money to even initially file a suit. It is FAR more expensive than people off the street realize. While CF was successful in a number of previous suits, all of them were specific to individual plaintiffs, and not related in to this mass action. There is virtually no way to recover money when you are threatening to sue so many people.

      Studios resort to the courts because it is one of the only options they have. The chances of success are slim, and they know it. However they’d rather try to do something than do nothing.

      Feb 17, 2011 at 12:27 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lazycrockett
      Lazycrockett

      @Daryl:

      That’s easy just whore yourself out to CF and let dawson fuck you raw and creampie you!!

      Feb 17, 2011 at 12:35 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BJ
      BJ

      @Burglekut:

      Hardly true. Just look at Lucas Entertainment’s models:
      http://www.lucasentertainment.com/models/

      At least half those guys are totally interchangeable with CF’s models.

      My motives? Pointing out the absurdity and hypocrisy being exhibited not only by Queerty but by many people posting here. I pay for my porn and other digital content, and am sick of people who seem to think that anything online is free for the taking. I also think it’s BS that Queerty is making such outlandish allegations and genuinely think they’re just whoring about for attention.

      Also? I kind of enjoy going against the trend on discussions like this. Some echo chamber comments section where everyone agrees is boring. Opposing opinions make things more interesting, in my opinion.

      The degree to which people are not only willing, but wholly eager to make silly assumptions just bugs me. Queerty is assuming there are a buncha teens set to get sucked up in to this. You’re assuming CF’s particular audience just makes that more likely. Neither of you have any facts to back any of that up. Just assumptions. So, you should be called out on baseless assumptions, as should Queerty.

      What we do know – as fact – is that there have been gay porn torrent suits before, and no one has offed themselves as a result. Queerty likes to suggest that torrents are overwhelmed with teenage, closeted users who will kill themselves… and yet no torrent suit has resulted in a suicide. When that fact is exposed, you now conveniently suggest it comes down to the audience each site/company has – with no evidence to back that up. Just blind assumption.

      So, my assumption? Queerty is shameless trolling for traffic and attention. :)

      Feb 17, 2011 at 2:57 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Burglekut
      Burglekut

      @BJ:

      You’re far more intimately involved in this than just wanting to go against the trend, you’re really not fooling anyone, so stop trying. Ever since the teen issue has emerged you’ve filled up the comment sections on many articles on many websites with propaganda for “Corbin Fisher” No one argues so hard and so long for something they have no significant stake in. You should come clean.

      Feb 17, 2011 at 4:23 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dave02657
      dave02657

      Just dispatched to CF on their site:

      “My membership comes up for renewal the end of this month. Thanks to now a growing number of entries on various gay oriented blogs, I have learned of your outrageous and thoughtless policy of blackmail that is now seriously impacting the lives of many gay, closeted men. Men who are being served by your counsel that is also concurrent with your vile offer of “amnesty” (read: blackmail).

      There will be significant repercussions as a result of your disgusting campaign – including the possibility of suicide death(s) of some of these men who will be outed by your company. I bet you can’t wait for the publicity over that, can you?

      Corbin, go to hell; you will never get another dollar of my money. You are a traitor to the gay community and a truly despicable and heartless individual.”

      I suggest other members take the same action.

      Feb 17, 2011 at 3:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • KC
      KC

      @dave02657:

      Good for you, Dave! I wish I was a member so I could cancel in a similar manner. I’ve even tried my friends, but none are CF members (apparently some of the models are loudly homophobic?) All I was able to do is let them know I never, ever will become a member because of this, but yours carries much more punch!

      Feb 17, 2011 at 5:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BJ
      BJ

      @Burglekut:

      What do you suggest the motivations are of others who are commenting on this issue as well, on the opposite side of me? Apparently they must have an agenda, too? My suggestion would be their agenda is to absolve themselves for any responsibility for their own illegal actions and suggest that if some unlikely suicide results from this, it’s not their copyright-violating selves who contributed to it by providing porn to minors. :)

      Feb 18, 2011 at 2:04 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Baxter
      Baxter

      I have no problem with them suing people for stealing their stuff. I do have a problem with this blatant attempt at blackmail: “Give us $1900 or we’ll tell everyone you watch gay porn”. Mr. Randazza should be disbarred.

      Feb 18, 2011 at 2:12 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BJ
      BJ

      @dave02657:

      See, that’s reasonable. If you don’t like a product or company, don’t give em your money. Don’t purchase their products. You had been a paying, legal member. How choose not to be any more. That’s what a reasonable person does.

      The silly ones who say, “Oh, I hate em… so I steal from em” or “Oh I steal… but it’s because I can!” are the irrational ones.

      But hey, Burgle, if you wanna go with the ad hominem attacks and question solely my motivations, feel free to! It’s a convenient way to avoid having to address any of the actual issues, points or topics at hand! :)

      Feb 18, 2011 at 2:21 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BJ
      BJ

      @Burglekut:

      Hey you’re more than welcome to just try and attack me personally, while not addressing or avoiding any of the real issues at hand.

      What are Queerty’s motivations? Fabricating some scandal to attract attention and traffic and increase advertising revenues? Personally, I believe so. But I’ve clearly chosen to discuss the issue at hand, rather than say nothing more than, “Queerty has an agenda!!!”.

      I personally feel Queerty is performing a considerable disservice by trivializing the issue of gay teen suicide. Attempting to blame a porn company over a suicide is shameless and silly.

      Any young teenager the least bit willing to consider suicide must have countless conditions in place to have led them to that option. Their home environment is likely unsupportive, and even hostile; they are being rejected by peers; they don’t have a reliable support structure; the community in which they live, social services, teachers, mental health professionals, physicians and all manner of people along the way may have failed to recognize a vulnerable individual; they’re in pain and afraid. Look at the statistics freely available online – 90% of those who commit suicide have a diagnosable mental health problem, and up to 75% had a physical illness when they committed suicide.

      From:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide#Risk_factors

      “A number of factors are associated with the risk of suicide including: mental illness, drug addiction, and socio-economic factors. While external circumstances, such as a traumatic event, may trigger suicide it does not seem to be an independent cause.”

      So… again… “While external circumstances, such as a traumatic event, may trigger suicide it does not seem to be an independent cause.” Does not seem to be an independent cause.

      In other words, other causes and symptoms needed to be in place beforehand. As some choose to sit here and say a porn company lawsuit would be responsible for a death, they’re ignoring the roles of countless other factors, and ignoring the actual causes and conditions that result in suicide. It is a great disservice to genuine attempts to prevent gay teen suicide, or teen suicide in general.

      Feb 18, 2011 at 3:18 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • YH
      YH

      @BJ: Seriously, shut up. You are either a CF troll or a heartless bastard. I am a teen and do not have the means to pay anyone $1,900, much less a disgusting lawyer representing a porn peddler. This has me worried sick, and if I do get caught and my parents find out, I will be in DEEP trouble. I’m not suicidal, but something this serious will definitely ruin me, so there’s no telling what I may be driven to do. To say that there’s no one else out there like me that could be swept up in this is just a lie. I suspect there are hundreds or thousands of others at risk that aren’t even aware any of this is happening.

      Feb 18, 2011 at 5:11 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GtP
      GtP

      @YH: He doesn’t seem like a troll from the website, if only because I imagine someone from the website wouldn’t be arguing a line that amounts to, “Most teens are gonna be fine, and if this pushes a few over the edge, they probably would have killed themselves anyway.” Not persuasive enough to be the company line, IMO.

      No, more likely this is a CF subscriber trying to rationalize his way out of the fact that his dollars are having a direct and devastating impact on kids like you. This campaign is inflicting emotional terror by basically giving you no way out. If CF were to come out and say, “If we catch you torrenting from this day forward, we are going to out you and destroy your life,” then at least you can change your behavior and seek redemption. But by placing an impossible hurdle like $2000 in front of it, this campaign essentially says, “You have no way out; brace for impact.”

      Feb 18, 2011 at 6:24 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • bjbj
      bjbj

      (having trouble posting so trying a different nickname)

      @YH… my suggestion would be to contact CF’s amnesty email address and explain your situation. If they say “Screw you, we’re doomed” please do let us know. It’d certainly alter my opinion on things here. But if they’re understanding and accommodating, you’re then free of the anxiety. I’d also suggest not downloading gay porn from torrents. I don’t say that to sound snarky or mean, but simply because if you feel getting in trouble with your parents is too much to risk, stealing vids of torrents only opens you up to that possibility.

      @GtP… my posts here simple come from a disagreement with – and being disgusted by – Queerty’s premise. In a sense, you’re right in your characterization of my opinion. I honestly feel there is no chance whatsoever this will result in a suicide.

      Take YH for instance – a teenager who is freaked out, yet not suicidal. Individual events to not cause suicide independent of other factors. At most, they may trigger an attempt in someone already predisposed to a suicide attempt, but those preexisting conditions need to be there.

      CF claims to have 35,000 IP addresses. At every step of the way, we whittle that number down and sometimes slash it. Some are probably bogus IP addresses or can’t be traced to anyone (maybe someone downloaded while at Starbucks or on a public IP? Or used masking techniques?). Many, I’m sure, belong to out-of-the-closet adults. Many are probably different IP addresses, but for the same person (perhaps they connected in several different places while traveling or in and around town). I’d imagine most belong to legal adults.

      If any remain to belong to teenagers, certainly many would belong to teenagers who are not the least bit suicidal, or even closeted. Believe it or not, many gay teenagers are out of the closet, open about their sexuality, and quite well-adjusted, happy, and secure emotionally. For them, this would pose no more risk than stealing the family car late at night or getting busted for drinking underage or driving without their seatbelt buckled – caught breaking the law, which sucks and costs their parents money and will result in some discipline, but is by no means the end of the world nor interpreted as such. Even many closeted teenagers won’t suffer terribly. I don’t want to minimize what a closeted teenager goes through, but in my own experience I remember being totally freaked out at the prospect of being outed when I was in high school. When it finally happened, it turned out my family and friends were all very supportive. Anecdotal, for sure, but I’m certain my experience is not one-of-a-kind.

      So as we chip away at those 35,000 IP addresses and eliminate all of ones that don’t involve, in the least, a closeted teenager at risk of attempting or committing suicide, I’m confident we’r left with a big, fat, ZERO.

      And I don’t take suicide lightly. But being adamant about doing all one can to prevent it from happening should involve taking it seriously enough to not want the issue to be used to serve unrelated agendas, misrepresented, or trivialized.

      Check out Queerty’s Jan 24 2011 post about mistakenly attributing the death of a gay teenager to suicide.

      In that post, Queerty’s writer says:

      “Is the queer press so desperate for youthful victims in this “It Gets Better” age that we’re willing to make a martyr out a dead gay teen without first confirming how he actually died?”

      “Reporting such misinformation discredit the gay blogosphere and set us up for being accused of using dead kids to score political points—truly a massive fail on our parts.”

      It would be nice of Queerty followed its own advice, and acknowledged it is just as capable of the hypocrisy it accused others of. That was less than 3 weeks before these posts by Queerty here. And yet, here, Queerty attempts to create martyrs where not exist, and use the prospect of gay kids to try and make a sensationalist argument about something totally unrelated. While Queerty would bash others in the blogosphere and the queer press for playing the dead kid card, Queerty does precisely that here. In fact, it not only plays the dead kid card, but fabricated it out of thin air.

      Teen suicide is far too serious an issue for it to just be used to create some provocative blog post or stir up a little controversy. Especially when Queerty does not have the information to back up the claims, is not able to confirm anything, and has offered no evidence, proof, statistics or worthwhile information to suggest their speculation is the least bit justified.

      Feb 18, 2011 at 1:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Roger
      Roger

      @dave02657 and @YH – Really? you guys really believe this? Let’s look at basic economics. Outing people to drive them to suicide would be bad for any business. Porn is a business. What does Corbin Fisher have to gain from that? They are suing thieves. Queerty is trying to make a (totally false) argument that all torrent thieves are young, closeted teens who will kill themselves if outed. It’s disgusting.

      The fear-mongering Queerty is provoking with these suppositions is homophobia, my friends. Queerty is a traitor to the gay agenda it claims to promote. And why? Because sensationalism builds traffic. I wasn’t going to read this blog again, but a friend told me about these latest comments, and I felt compelled to respond.

      Honestly, people – don’t be sheep. If Queerty wants to act like Fox News – treat it as such – with very large grains of salt.

      Feb 18, 2011 at 1:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Rob
      Rob

      Corbin Fisher’s offer of “amnesty,” in exchange for cash, reeks of extortion to me, even if it is legal. That any significant number of these 40,000 people are going to be “successfully” sued, or even have to go to court, seems unlikely to me, based on previous cases. CF is just trying to scare some cash out of people.

      The solution to this problem is simple. Members of the gay community who think CF’s approach is heavy-handed, can simply decide to stop supporting CF in any way. Money talks!

      Feb 22, 2011 at 5:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Steve
      Steve

      CF is perfectly within their legal right to want to protect their material. But they are completely illogical within this situation.

      First of all, 40,000 IPs? How on earth do they expect to pay for that many suits? There is a reason why there is strength in numbers, and this is it. That’s why record companies aren’t suing illegal downloaders, why movie studios aren’t either. There’s too many damn people who do download them, and it’s impossible to actually sue every single last offender.

      Second, a list of IPs won’t necessarily identify the offender. If Uncle Rich visited and wanted to get off, he’s the one that broke the law but now you have to pay for it because he used your computer? Public places offer free wifi under certain IP addresses, so unless CF plans McDonalds to pay up, their approach of using IPs is, on one level somewhat computer savvy, but on the next level useless.

      With these amnesty periods and all of this publicity floating around, I think they’re really just hoping to scare people into paying, which actually leads me to believe that what they are doing with these ‘amnesty periods’ is verging on something like extortion – pay up or we’ll harm you? Pay up or we’ll bankrupt you? Pay up or we’ll out you to your parents? While giving people a chance to redeem themselves, threatening to sue isn’t the way to do it.

      Like I said, CF is completely within their legal right to want to protect their property. But their approach to this matter is not thought out. They aren’t dealing with our expanding digital world. They aren’t being realistic about suing these people. I think the most effective way to do this is to not waste time failing to sue 40,000 and instead spend time figuring out ways to better protect their material from being illegally distributed over the internet, because even if they somehow sue all of these offenders this time, you know there will be others in the future who they’ll have to go after.

      That’s my take on this.

      Feb 23, 2011 at 12:00 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kent
      Kent

      corbin fisher and his attorney are douchebag extortionists.

      Feb 23, 2011 at 12:19 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mother
      Mother

      From now on I’ll just make sure that I never rent, purchase, or view anything from Corbin Fisher or Liberty Media again. If we all step up and do this, they’ll be out of business in less than a year.

      Feb 23, 2011 at 1:44 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John
      John

      Corbin Fisher should’ve used some form of digital rights management on the videos it sells in order to link particular titles with individual customers thus enabling C.F. to go after those who illegally upload said videos to file sharing sites in the first place.

      The fact that Corbin Fisher chose NOT to digitally protect its products – even though it knew they were being uploaded to file sharing sites and then downloaded by closeted gay teens etc – amounts to near-entrapment–especially now that it’s been revealed how much money C.F. hopes to make from effectively extorting dough out of terrified, closeted gay teens etc by threatening to out them.

      What’s more, who’s to say that Corbin Fisher didn’t upload some of those videos itself in order to further bait a ‘honey pot’ aimed at harvesting the IP addresses of downloaders?

      BTW. How did C.F. get those reported 40,000 IP addresses? Via collusion with file sharing sites?

      A prediction:

      If Corbin Fisher’s de facto entrapment & extortion scheme results in the death of even ONE gay kid then…

      http://pastehtml.com/view/1diters.html + http://www.joebaptista.com/attack-tool/index.html x the number of gays world-wide who are OUTRAGED that a gay pornographer has proven to be more toxic to young queers than the Westboro Baptist Church ever was = Corbin Fisher conducting its future dwindling business via mail order.

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      @jaybird62 Jarred
      RE: @unicornbooty Can’t wait to see the spike in gay teen suicides and poorly investigated child abuse cases that res… http://disq.us/14g027
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      “Can’t wait to see the spike in gay teen suicides and poorly investigated child abuse cases that result from this mass lawsuit/outing. Way to go Corbin this is going to be AMAZING”

      http://unicornbooty.com/2011/02/corbin-fisher-sues-illegal-porn-downloaders-outs-gay-teens-to-their-parents/#comment-145460526

      Mar 19, 2011 at 5:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
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