Comments on: Hillary Hits The Buckeye http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/ Free of an agenda. Except that gay one. Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:27:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ProfessorVP http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43646 ProfessorVP Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:35:23 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43646 Mr. C: Good list, but you forgot Monicagate. What's Hill got to do with it? She lied when she said that she found out about it along with the rest of the nation, and then used it to run for Senator in, of all places, New York. If Hillary had any logical reason to run for Senator in New York, then I ought to run for congress on Jupiter. Since when does being a cuckholded wife qualify you to run for high office in a state you don't live in? Furthermore, she wasn't even cuckholded. Then I'd add to the list the little matter of Hill's board membership in Wal-Mart, that paragon of fairness towards labor. Well, you have to give the Waltons credit for looking out for their workers' well being- locking them in the store overnight so they don't get into trouble. Like the Clintons, the Waltons are all heart. Mr. C: Good list, but you forgot Monicagate. What’s Hill got to do with it? She lied when she said that she found out about it along with the rest of the nation, and then used it to run for Senator in, of all places, New York. If Hillary had any logical reason to run for Senator in New York, then I ought to run for congress on Jupiter. Since when does being a cuckholded wife qualify you to run for high office in a state you don’t live in? Furthermore, she wasn’t even cuckholded. Then I’d add to the list the little matter of Hill’s board membership in Wal-Mart, that paragon of fairness towards labor. Well, you have to give the Waltons credit for looking out for their workers’ well being- locking them in the store overnight so they don’t get into trouble. Like the Clintons, the Waltons are all heart.

]]> By: Chadnnocal http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43551 Chadnnocal Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:02:57 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43551 This is pathetic. Reading your childish rants and tirades it is clear the LGBT community cannot be a leading force in uniting the DNC. I guess we will just have to sit back and watch another four years of war, economic recession, global outsourcing, erroding GNP and loss of civil liberties. Maybe in 2012? Looks like this one is guaranteed to McCain. This is pathetic. Reading your childish rants and tirades it is clear the LGBT community cannot be a leading force in uniting the DNC. I guess we will just have to sit back and watch another four years of war, economic recession, global outsourcing, erroding GNP and loss of civil liberties.
Maybe in 2012? Looks like this one is guaranteed to McCain.

]]> By: Jesse http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43533 Jesse Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:08:55 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43533 To put it simply, this is what happened on Tuesday.. http://www.buffalonews.com/opinion/editorialcartoons/gallery/13461-a293594-t3.html pure brilliance! To put it simply, this is what happened on Tuesday..

http://www.buffalonews.com/opi.....94-t3.html

pure brilliance!

]]> By: Mr C http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43486 Mr C Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:37:54 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43486 To all of the Hillaryites. Especially “Afrolito” First of all CONGRATS to her for last Tuesdays win. Say what you want about Obama. But Hillary is a PITBULL and will win by any means necessary we are seeing that now. But to be attacking Obama about things such as Rezko. HMMMMMMMMMMMMM Let’s look at Hillary Pick a number…. 1. Norman Hsu (that will be a fun one) 2. Peter Paul (which is set to go to trial next week and will make Rezko look like a walk in the park) 3. Mark Penn's ties to Charlie Black (McCain Chief Advisor’s firm) 4. HRC as a corporate lawyer destroying that 12-year-old rape victim on the stand 5. Billy & Hilly's ties to the Carlyle Group (deep ties in Saudi Arabia) 6. Withholding of tax returns 7. Whitehouse records 8. Fucking Vincent Foster then he commits suicide Do you want me to go on? The republicans want to go against Hilary. They all voted for her in the Ohio and Texas election... the one and only Rush “asshole” Limbaugh promoted it, in part. Also if it’s shade at the convention against Obama. Trust me his supporters will DEFECT and it’s not enough of the Hillaryites there to pull her ass over the hump. TRUST THE BITCH will go down faster than “The Titanic” so calm it down because in the end they and their supporters will both need EACH OTHER. Otherwise LONG LIVE McCain! TRUST! To all of the Hillaryites. Especially “Afrolito” First of all CONGRATS to her for last Tuesdays win. Say what you want about Obama. But Hillary is a PITBULL and will win by any means necessary we are seeing that now. But to be attacking Obama about things such as Rezko.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMM Let’s look at Hillary
Pick a number….

1. Norman Hsu (that will be a fun one)
2. Peter Paul (which is set to go to trial next week and will make Rezko look like a walk in the park)
3. Mark Penn’s ties to Charlie Black (McCain Chief Advisor’s firm)
4. HRC as a corporate lawyer destroying that 12-year-old rape victim on the stand
5. Billy & Hilly’s ties to the Carlyle Group (deep ties in Saudi Arabia)
6. Withholding of tax returns
7. Whitehouse records
8. Fucking Vincent Foster then he commits suicide

Do you want me to go on? The republicans want to go against Hilary. They all voted for her in the Ohio and Texas election… the one and only Rush “asshole” Limbaugh promoted it, in part.

Also if it’s shade at the convention against Obama. Trust me his supporters will DEFECT and it’s not enough of the Hillaryites there to pull her ass over the hump. TRUST THE BITCH will go down faster than “The Titanic” so calm it down because in the end they and their supporters will both need EACH OTHER. Otherwise LONG LIVE McCain!

TRUST!

]]> By: ProfessorVP http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43474 ProfessorVP Fri, 07 Mar 2008 05:02:15 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43474 You often make a lot of sense, Perdue, and much of what you said now is accurate, especially about DOMA and DADT. But I wouldn't say Obama is Bush Lite by any means. I would, however, say that Obama is Kucinich-Lite. Both knew the war was a scam BEFORE it started; Kucinich got the chance to vote No on it, Obama only got the chance to say no on it, and that is a matter of record. On same-sex marriage, knowing that he had no chance at winning the nomination, Kucinich risked nothing by saying he was for it. Let's be realistic- Obama can't say he is for it until after he gets into office, and in any event, the president doesn't decide these things; it will be decided in the courts. For various other reasons- I don't want to hog the board- I don't think you'd ever confuse most of the positions of Obama with those of Bush. Bottom line where I'm concerned: If all the major, reputable polls said that Butch Patrick, who used to play "Eddie" on "The Munsters" has the best chance of beating McCain, then that's who I'm for, for that reason alone. You often make a lot of sense, Perdue, and much of what you said now is accurate, especially about DOMA and DADT. But I wouldn’t say Obama is Bush Lite by any means. I would, however, say that Obama is Kucinich-Lite. Both knew the war was a scam BEFORE it started; Kucinich got the chance to vote No on it, Obama only got the chance to say no on it, and that is a matter of record. On same-sex marriage, knowing that he had no chance at winning the nomination, Kucinich risked nothing by saying he was for it. Let’s be realistic- Obama can’t say he is for it until after he gets into office, and in any event, the president doesn’t decide these things; it will be decided in the courts. For various other reasons- I don’t want to hog the board- I don’t think you’d ever confuse most of the positions of Obama with those of Bush. Bottom line where I’m concerned: If all the major, reputable polls said that Butch Patrick, who used to play “Eddie” on “The Munsters” has the best chance of beating McCain, then that’s who I’m for, for that reason alone.

]]> By: Bill Perdue http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43464 Bill Perdue Fri, 07 Mar 2008 03:22:50 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43464 Democrats are such BITTER, SUSPICIOUS and ANGRY people, mainly with each other. That's understandable. They’re all cooped up in a political closet with a lot of major porkers. There’s Barney the ENDA killer, Pelosi and Reid who trash canned the hate crimes bill and Billary who gave us DOMA and DADT and boasted about it on bigot radio stations. And they have to make room for Obama who’s in bed with Donnie McClurkin. Plus Dianne Feinstein who makes sure Bush’s gaybashing appointees are well represented in the Federal ‘Justice” (sic) system. And did I mention that these are rich people who routinely pander to bigots. It's actually much, much worse, but you get the picture. Democrats are so cranky because they know that in the end they’re going to have to choose between Bush Stout – Clinton or McCain – or Bush Lite – Obama. The problem for the rest of us is we’re going to get saddled with the same sour, backstabbing pig as them. Democrats are such BITTER, SUSPICIOUS and ANGRY people, mainly with each other.

That’s understandable. They’re all cooped up in a political closet with a lot of major porkers. There’s Barney the ENDA killer, Pelosi and Reid who trash canned the hate crimes bill and Billary who gave us DOMA and DADT and boasted about it on bigot radio stations. And they have to make room for Obama who’s in bed with Donnie McClurkin. Plus Dianne Feinstein who makes sure Bush’s gaybashing appointees are well represented in the Federal ‘Justice” (sic) system. And did I mention that these are rich people who routinely pander to bigots. It’s actually much, much worse, but you get the picture.

Democrats are so cranky because they know that in the end they’re going to have to choose between Bush Stout – Clinton or McCain – or Bush Lite – Obama. The problem for the rest of us is we’re going to get saddled with the same sour, backstabbing pig as them.

]]> By: hisurfer http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43422 hisurfer Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:48:04 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43422 Just a reminder of the true evil: http://www.afterelton.com/askmonkey/3-04-08 (scroll down, of course ... the first pic isn't evil at all) Just a reminder of the true evil:

http://www.afterelton.com/askmonkey/3-04-08

(scroll down, of course … the first pic isn’t evil at all)

]]> By: Dan http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43412 Dan Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:23:59 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43412 Go Hillary! You are what we need to save us from $105 barrells of oil and 8 years of GWB. Keep in mind last week GWB did not know when asked by reporters about the cost of gas that it was over $3 a gallon. Fab! At least he still keeps on getting his oil company royalties. He probably has not bought a gallon of gas since he was last pinched for DUI. Go Hillary! You are what we need to save us from $105 barrells of oil and 8 years of GWB. Keep in mind last week GWB did not know when asked by reporters about the cost of gas that it was over $3 a gallon. Fab! At least he still keeps on getting his oil company royalties. He probably has not bought a gallon of gas since he was last pinched for DUI.

]]> By: ProfessorVP http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43410 ProfessorVP Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:17:41 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43410 Well, of course Obama's bitchy. He's a Leo. Plus, my newspaper astrology column says he'd be a cranky president. All day long, bitch bitch bitch, especially when he doesn't have his way. Y'know, saying no one was ever elected president without winning Ohio really means no one in the last 40 years was elected president without winning Ohio... It makes me wonder- do all the years I was alive beyond 40 years ago (and there are many such years) count for nothing? Either Hillary's machine didn't know the history of our elections, or, more probably, had no problem with lying about it to make the point that since Obama lost Ohio, he was toast. Well, of course Obama’s bitchy. He’s a Leo. Plus, my newspaper astrology column says he’d be a cranky president. All day long, bitch bitch bitch, especially when he doesn’t have his way.

Y’know, saying no one was ever elected president without winning Ohio really means no one in the last 40 years was elected president without winning Ohio… It makes me wonder- do all the years I was alive beyond 40 years ago (and there are many such years) count for nothing?

Either Hillary’s machine didn’t know the history of our elections, or, more probably, had no problem with lying about it to make the point that since Obama lost Ohio, he was toast.

]]> By: fredo777 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43406 fredo777 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:49:11 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43406 Believe me, Steve, if I found anything he did to personally attack her "bitchy", I would call Obama on it. It's not a matter of her being a woman, either, if you might have gotten that impression. It's just that instead of the dem candidate attacking another dem (who could end up facing McCain later) I think they should respectfully focus on their own strengths. Believe me, Steve, if I found anything he did to personally attack her “bitchy”, I would call Obama on it. It’s not a matter of her being a woman, either, if you might have gotten that impression. It’s just that instead of the dem candidate attacking another dem (who could end up facing McCain later) I think they should respectfully focus on their own strengths.

]]> By: Stevo http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43404 Stevo Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:28:52 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43404 America's newest pastime: Obama Bashing! Everyone gets their turn to be trashed in this election! Stevo (not to be confused with Steve) America’s newest pastime: Obama Bashing!

Everyone gets their turn to be trashed in this election!

Stevo (not to be confused with Steve)

]]> By: Steve http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43402 Steve Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:18:35 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43402 Thanks for the insult Fredo, perhaps I did read your post wrong. My point is that I don't believe Clinton pointing out inequities in the media coverage to be bitching. I also don't think that she has been bitchy in general. You may believe that she has, however, i do not. My point is also that when Obama behaves in a manner similar(i.e. his response to Clinton's pointing out the meida handling him with kid gloves) to Clinton, no one accuses him of bitchiness, and in fact people turn a blind eye to it, however, the same people will chastise Clinton for it. I do not believe you are keeping it real in saying that Obama has not been bitchy. Thanks for the insult Fredo, perhaps I did read your post wrong. My point is that I don’t believe Clinton pointing out inequities in the media coverage to be bitching. I also don’t think that she has been bitchy in general. You may believe that she has, however, i do not. My point is also that when Obama behaves in a manner similar(i.e. his response to Clinton’s pointing out the meida handling him with kid gloves) to Clinton, no one accuses him of bitchiness, and in fact people turn a blind eye to it, however, the same people will chastise Clinton for it.

I do not believe you are keeping it real in saying that Obama has not been bitchy.

]]> By: afrolito http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43397 afrolito Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:08:00 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43397 Obama has been in total bitch mode since his NAFTA and Rezko lies have come back to haunt him. He's totally starting to unravel. Obama has been in total bitch mode since his NAFTA and Rezko lies have come back to haunt him. He’s totally starting to unravel.

]]> By: fredo777 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43395 fredo777 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:00:35 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43395 * "sensitivity" * “sensitivity”

]]> By: fredo777 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43394 fredo777 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:58:39 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43394 Apparently, Steve, you have a problem with reading comprehension. I never claimed that Obama's bitchiness (which, if you paid attention, I said I have yet to witness) was "keeping it real". I said that my comment about Hillary being more bitchy in her campaigning was not a show of my "sensitity", but my keeping it real about the way things are. Bottom line: she's been more bitchy. Yeesh. Apparently, Steve, you have a problem with reading comprehension. I never claimed that Obama’s bitchiness (which, if you paid attention, I said I have yet to witness) was “keeping it real”.

I said that my comment about Hillary being more bitchy in her campaigning was not a show of my “sensitity”, but my keeping it real about the way things are. Bottom line: she’s been more bitchy. Yeesh.

]]> By: Steve http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43392 Steve Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:42:47 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43392 LOL, Obama's bitchiness = keeping it real, Clinton's bitchiness = bitchiness. OK got it Fredo. Obama most certainly has been a little bitchy recently with Clinton keeping it real, and pushing back on Obama's mistakes and media coverage. You can call it a negative campaign, or you can call it bitchiness, however, I consider that keeping it real. Clinton most certainly has come out and said she does not believe in DOMA, and that she thinks that the states should be in control of marriage rights, and that the federal government should recognize the marriages from those states. It is the same position for both candidates. I have not heard anyone say that there was another bill at the time of DOMA, however, since DOMA was signed it has prevented many actions toward bringing about a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. I don't like DOMA or what it stands for, however, I am not foolish enough to believe that equality for us all is going to happen overnight. I also don't think that race is the issue that will cause Obama to have a tough time in the general election. It is trying to sway the conservative voters, Obama is viewed as the most liberal of all the candidates, and while that may sound like a good thing to the readers of this blog, the majority of Americans are not of the same mind. I can't stand either side talking about polls in the general election as polls are really only mildly accurate for something occuring within a few days...months ahead polls mean nothing. Obama and Clinton supporters need to understand this and try not to be swayed by irrelevant numbers. Most important issue for me is health care, and Clinton is actually pushing for health care for everyone. And with a democratic congress I believe she will have greater success than her previous efforts with a republican congress. Obama will not push for coverage for all Americans and for me that is a real problem and the reason that I will not vote for him in the primary. LOL, Obama’s bitchiness = keeping it real, Clinton’s bitchiness = bitchiness. OK got it Fredo. Obama most certainly has been a little bitchy recently with Clinton keeping it real, and pushing back on Obama’s mistakes and media coverage. You can call it a negative campaign, or you can call it bitchiness, however, I consider that keeping it real.

Clinton most certainly has come out and said she does not believe in DOMA, and that she thinks that the states should be in control of marriage rights, and that the federal government should recognize the marriages from those states. It is the same position for both candidates.

I have not heard anyone say that there was another bill at the time of DOMA, however, since DOMA was signed it has prevented many actions toward bringing about a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. I don’t like DOMA or what it stands for, however, I am not foolish enough to believe that equality for us all is going to happen overnight.

I also don’t think that race is the issue that will cause Obama to have a tough time in the general election. It is trying to sway the conservative voters, Obama is viewed as the most liberal of all the candidates, and while that may sound like a good thing to the readers of this blog, the majority of Americans are not of the same mind.

I can’t stand either side talking about polls in the general election as polls are really only mildly accurate for something occuring within a few days…months ahead polls mean nothing. Obama and Clinton supporters need to understand this and try not to be swayed by irrelevant numbers.

Most important issue for me is health care, and Clinton is actually pushing for health care for everyone. And with a democratic congress I believe she will have greater success than her previous efforts with a republican congress.

Obama will not push for coverage for all Americans and for me that is a real problem and the reason that I will not vote for him in the primary.

]]> By: afrolito http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43390 afrolito Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:39:34 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43390 The truth of the matter is that no one has in the last 40 years. Going almost back to the turn of the century to prove a date mistake is really special, when Obama has been LYING his ass off about NAFTA. The obamanuts grasp at any straw to paint a fairytale picture for their messiah. The truth of the matter is that no one has in the last 40 years. Going almost back to the turn of the century to prove a date mistake is really special, when Obama has been LYING his ass off about NAFTA.

The obamanuts grasp at any straw to paint a fairytale picture for their messiah.

]]> By: ProfessorVP http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43385 ProfessorVP Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:28:19 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43385 Stevo, I thought I had heard every possible negative about Obama, but you proved me wrong. Thank you for providing one that, until your post, had escaped me: Obama is probably bitchy when he doesn't get his way since his astrological sign is Leon. Thank you, Stevo. NOW I have heard everything. Afrolito, having won Ohio, Hillary used that occasion to prove- and to the Clintons, "prove" means merely saying something- that to win Ohio puts you on the road to the White House, and to lose Ohio, according to history, means you are doomed to lose the general election. Now, for the truth... http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/03/clinton_stumbles_on_ohio_histo.html Stevo, I thought I had heard every possible negative about Obama, but you proved me wrong. Thank you for providing one that, until your post, had escaped me: Obama is probably bitchy
when he doesn’t get his way since his astrological sign is Leon. Thank you, Stevo. NOW I have heard everything.

Afrolito, having won Ohio, Hillary used that occasion to prove- and to the Clintons, “prove” means merely saying something- that to win Ohio puts you on the road to the White House, and to lose Ohio, according to history, means you are doomed to lose the general election. Now, for the truth…

http://blog.washingtonpost.com.....histo.html

]]> By: hisurfer http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43378 hisurfer Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:27:58 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43378 We need to hire a fact checker around here. There's way too much bullshit coming from both sides. My favorite: people stating as FACT what hasn't happened yet, and is still eight months in the future. Unless Sarah Conner is lurking on this board, none of us know what might happen between now and November. After all, eight months ago: McCain was dead in the water, Bill Clinton was still a positive asset & was helping Hillary in Iowa, voters were more angry about Iraq than concerned about the economy, & Oprah hadn't stepped into (and out of) the ring yet. And how quickly that all changed, yeah? Bill and Oprah have been locked up in the basement, and McCain took the Republican lead. Since no one here predicted this, I'm not going to trust any of your predictions about what will oh so absolutely happen in the future. We need to hire a fact checker around here. There’s way too much bullshit coming from both sides.

My favorite: people stating as FACT what hasn’t happened yet, and is still eight months in the future. Unless Sarah Conner is lurking on this board, none of us know what might happen between now and November.

After all, eight months ago: McCain was dead in the water, Bill Clinton was still a positive asset & was helping Hillary in Iowa, voters were more angry about Iraq than concerned about the economy, & Oprah hadn’t stepped into (and out of) the ring yet.

And how quickly that all changed, yeah? Bill and Oprah have been locked up in the basement, and McCain took the Republican lead. Since no one here predicted this, I’m not going to trust any of your predictions about what will oh so absolutely happen in the future.

]]> By: fredo777 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43376 fredo777 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:19:34 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43376 Stevo, I don't think anyone is superhuman. The point being made was that Obama hasn't been as bitchy in his campaigning as Hillary. It has nothing to do w/ being sensitive. It's about keeping it real. Stevo, I don’t think anyone is superhuman. The point being made was that Obama hasn’t been as bitchy in his campaigning as Hillary. It has nothing to do w/ being sensitive. It’s about keeping it real.

]]> By: afrolito http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43374 afrolito Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:09:22 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43374 McCain WILL beat Obama if he becomes the nominee. He will never win any of the red states, or any of the large states he's consistantly been losing in the primaries. No one ever became president on the strength of winning in Vermont. On the other hand, everyone who does become president HAS to win ohio. McCain WILL beat Obama if he becomes the nominee. He will never win any of the red states, or any of the large states he’s consistantly been losing in the primaries. No one ever became president on the strength of winning in Vermont.

On the other hand, everyone who does become president HAS to win ohio.

]]> By: Stevo http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43372 Stevo Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:02:53 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43372 Case in point Fredo777. You obviously think Obama is super-human. He's human. Case in point Fredo777. You obviously think Obama is super-human. He’s human.

]]> By: fredo777 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43368 fredo777 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:52:09 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43368 "Obama followers are soooo sensitive." Way to generalize. I've seen about as much sensitivity from both sides of the fence, truth be told. And you'll have to wonder how bitchy Obama can get, b/c I have yet to see it + don't expect to anytime soon. “Obama followers are soooo sensitive.”

Way to generalize. I’ve seen about as much sensitivity from both sides of the fence, truth be told. And you’ll have to wonder how bitchy Obama can get, b/c I have yet to see it + don’t expect to anytime soon.

]]> By: Stevo http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43364 Stevo Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:46:32 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43364 Obama followers are soooo sensitive. No one is sacred in politics! I wonder how bitchy Obama is when he doesn't get his way. Leos can be very egotistical. We just don't know him well enough yet - and maybe he doesn't know himself well enough either. Which is why I think he should wait and grow up a bit more before claiming the throne. Obama followers are soooo sensitive. No one is sacred in politics!

I wonder how bitchy Obama is when he doesn’t get his way. Leos can be very egotistical.

We just don’t know him well enough yet – and maybe he doesn’t know himself well enough either.

Which is why I think he should wait and grow up a bit more before claiming the throne.

]]> By: ProfessorVP http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43300 ProfessorVP Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:47:37 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43300 Why, because Obama's black? He won easily in the Vermont primary, our nation's whitest state (over 90%), and that other bastion of whiteness, Wisconsin. That said, McCain is corrupt to the core, going back to Savings and Loan and the Keating Five, and if you think the recent Vicki Eisman lobbyist scandal is going to fall off the face of the earth, I disagree. Reagan was old (69) and, although lazy and empty-headed, had presence, humor and aw-shucks charm, plus some remnants of his Hollywood looks. McCain is just plain old, and does the impossible: he makes Bob Dole seem sexy. He still didn't get the memo that invading Iraq wasn't such a way cool idea, and was nuts enough to let slip what he was really thinking- 100 years of American presence there would be peachy. No way, no how, could John McCain beat Obama. But yes, I think he could beat Hillary. Why, because Obama’s black? He won easily in the Vermont primary, our nation’s whitest state (over 90%), and that other bastion of whiteness, Wisconsin. That said, McCain is corrupt to the core, going back to Savings and Loan and the Keating Five, and if you think the recent Vicki Eisman lobbyist scandal is going to fall off the face of the earth, I disagree.

Reagan was old (69) and, although lazy and empty-headed, had presence, humor and aw-shucks charm,
plus some remnants of his Hollywood looks. McCain is just plain old, and does the impossible: he makes Bob Dole seem sexy. He still didn’t get the memo that invading Iraq wasn’t such a way cool idea, and was nuts enough to let slip what he was really thinking- 100 years of American presence there would be peachy.

No way, no how, could John McCain beat Obama. But yes, I think he could beat Hillary.

]]> By: afrolito http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43298 afrolito Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:08:20 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43298 And as far as polls go, there is none that exists that will tell anyone with a brain who will win in november. Anyone who believes otherwise is a special kind of stupid. Obama will NEVER win in a general election against McCain, and I don't need a poll to tell me that. It's called reality. And as far as polls go, there is none that exists that will tell anyone with a brain who will win in november. Anyone who believes otherwise is a special kind of stupid.

Obama will NEVER win in a general election against McCain, and I don’t need a poll to tell me that. It’s called reality.

]]> By: afrolito http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43297 afrolito Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:03:46 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43297 Rehorakthy Are you stupid?? OBAMA DID'NT VOTE FOR THE WAR BECAUSE HE WAS'NT IN THE SENATE!! Rehorakthy

Are you stupid??

OBAMA DID’NT VOTE FOR THE WAR BECAUSE HE WAS’NT IN THE SENATE!!

]]> By: ProfessorVP http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43296 ProfessorVP Thu, 06 Mar 2008 05:33:01 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43296 Mike, I really don't know what you meant by Hillary building up this great relationship with gays. Which, in any event, is like Bullwinkle building up a great relationship with the moose community, if you get my meaning. She marched in a parade, sure. But does this counterract Don't Ask/Don't Tell and the Defense of Marriage Act? If Hillary is running on "35 years of experience" that certainly includes her 8 years of co-presidency with Bill. It is not true that Clinton "had to" sign either, and strictly urban legend that "there was another anti-same-sex marriage bill that COULD have been passed that was worse, and Clinton signed the current one to help us, bless his heart." There was no such other bill. Clinton, and red state Democrats BOASTED about the signing of DOMA, and neither Clinton has renounced it. I'm not thrilled with Obama, myself, I am keenly aware of his little baggage, as compared with Hillary's freakin' whole set of Louis Vuitton. She cannot win. (To a certain person who stalks me on this and every board... just until this election is over, could you stick to the topic at hand. In this case, it is Clinon v. Obama. Not me.) Mike, I really don’t know what you meant by Hillary building up this great relationship with gays. Which, in any event, is like Bullwinkle building up a great relationship with the moose community, if you get my meaning. She marched in a parade, sure. But does this counterract Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell and the Defense of Marriage Act? If Hillary is running on “35 years of experience” that certainly includes her 8 years of co-presidency with Bill.

It is not true that Clinton “had to” sign either, and strictly urban legend that “there was another anti-same-sex marriage bill that COULD have been passed that was worse, and Clinton signed the current one to help us, bless his heart.” There was no such other bill. Clinton, and red state Democrats BOASTED about the signing of DOMA, and neither Clinton has renounced it.

I’m not thrilled with Obama, myself, I am keenly aware of his little baggage, as compared with Hillary’s freakin’ whole set of Louis Vuitton. She cannot win.

(To a certain person who stalks me on this and every board… just until this election is over, could you stick to the topic at hand. In this case, it is Clinon v. Obama. Not me.)

]]> By: Rehorakthy http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43292 Rehorakthy Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:44:28 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43292 What is THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE TO YOU? --Restoring the US's standing in the global community and ending the war in Iraq (this will also help with the economy because we won't be spending--what is it--$12 billion a week). What have your heard from either candidate that leads you to believe they can resolve that issue? --Obama did not vote for the war in Iraq, and he is willing to meet with the leaders of various nations to take bold new steps to insure peace and cooperation around the world. He also What is THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE TO YOU?
–Restoring the US’s standing in the global community and ending the war in Iraq (this will also help with the economy because we won’t be spending–what is it–$12 billion a week).

What have your heard from either candidate that leads you to believe they can resolve that issue?
–Obama did not vote for the war in Iraq, and he is willing to meet with the leaders of various nations to take bold new steps to insure peace and cooperation around the world. He also

]]> By: Rehorakthy http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43289 Rehorakthy Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:36:55 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43289 Wow!!! I am hereby embracing the terms Obamanut, Obamaton, and whatever else the Clinton supporters can throw at me. And I will gladly wash it down with a big heeping helping of Hope spiked Kool-aid. Honestly, name calling is the last bastion of desperate people. The truth is that winning will render as moot anything Clinton supporters have to say. Also, I can't take it personally. The amount of disinformation being propagated by these folks is amazing. I am truly, deeply embarrassed for you all. The honest truth is that none of this matters. Neither Obama nor Clinton are the reason MaCain will be president. It is this insipid, intractable infighting. Based on nothing but the numbers, there is no reason for Hillary to still be in the race ... PERIOD. That's it! It's that simple. There is no amount of number crunching that will change that. So, the question becomes, "In this rare if not unprecedented situation, how is our party going to move forward?" Are we going to give the nomination to the candidate with the most delegates (per the rules), or are we going to get into a bitter fight over on-the-fly revisions of the rules that fit the losing team's ego driven agenda? Well, while you Hillary supporters figure that out, John McCain is going to be defining the Democratic candidates anyway he wants. Then, he is going to start attacking Obama based on the crap Hillary is feeding him. And once again, we will wind up with a Republican in the White House. There is no need for Obama to bow out. He is winning. Hillary is staying in to see if she can pull out a miracle. Let HER wait to run again in '08. She is LOSING! Finally, it's time for a reality/fact check: Afrolito ... No response? Man. You let me down. I was expecting more of a fight-I mean me being all crazy and stuff. Hisurfer ... the nominees are usually decided well before Texas. It is usually cinched up by Super Tuesday. That's not arrogance. That is history. If you want everyone's vote to count in the primary process, then change it so that everyone votes on the same day. Until then, hypothetical arguments do nothing but confuse the process and prolong the inevitable. And what is the point of mentioning that none of us voted for the war in Iraq? Is anyone here running for president? Obama is and he didn't vote for the war. Hillary is, and she DID vote for the war. The phone in the White House is already ringing off the hook at 3AM because of the war in Iraq. I want someone to answer it who didn't create the mess in the first place. Bitch Republic ... not all of the 161 million in the states Hillary won are democrats, Clinton supporters, of voting age, or registered voters. In the primary process, most of those states are not winner takes all. So, you cannot combine the total state populations. That is an intellectually dishonest use of numbers, but it is consistent with the math being used by other Hillary supporters. With currently pledged delegate, super ot otherwise, Obama is still in the lead. MJC ... more make believe math. More hypotheticals. PEOPLE, McCain is not a figment of our imagination. We need a candidate who can deal with real rules. What is more delusional? Fighting for a losing candidate based on what we want to happen or supporting the candidate who is going to win the nomination? How much sense does it make that you say the only caucuses that were undemocratic were the ones that favored Obama? Let's just bend and bend reality until it looks like a pretty unicorn standing under a lovely rainbow. Then we can run the unicorn against McCain ... LOL And please tell me what "test[s]" Hillary has passed. I am dying to hear that one. Will a Hillary supporter please show me ONE SINGLE poll that shows Hillary beating McCain in the general election. PLEASE ... Off to drink my Kool-Aid and be crazy. It's tough being on the winning side. Wow!!! I am hereby embracing the terms Obamanut, Obamaton, and whatever else the Clinton supporters can throw at me. And I will gladly wash it down with a big heeping helping of Hope spiked Kool-aid.

Honestly, name calling is the last bastion of desperate people. The truth is that winning will render as moot anything Clinton supporters have to say. Also, I can’t take it personally. The amount of disinformation being propagated by these folks is amazing. I am truly, deeply embarrassed for you all.

The honest truth is that none of this matters. Neither Obama nor Clinton are the reason MaCain will be president. It is this insipid, intractable infighting. Based on nothing but the numbers, there is no reason for Hillary to still be in the race … PERIOD. That’s it! It’s that simple. There is no amount of number crunching that will change that.

So, the question becomes, “In this rare if not unprecedented situation, how is our party going to move forward?” Are we going to give the nomination to the candidate with the most delegates (per the rules), or are we going to get into a bitter fight over on-the-fly revisions of the rules that fit the losing team’s ego driven agenda?

Well, while you Hillary supporters figure that out, John McCain is going to be defining the Democratic candidates anyway he wants. Then, he is going to start attacking Obama based on the crap Hillary is feeding him. And once again, we will wind up with a Republican in the White House.

There is no need for Obama to bow out. He is winning. Hillary is staying in to see if she can pull out a miracle. Let HER wait to run again in ’08. She is LOSING!

Finally, it’s time for a reality/fact check:
Afrolito … No response? Man. You let me down. I was expecting more of a fight-I mean me being all crazy and stuff.

Hisurfer … the nominees are usually decided well before Texas. It is usually cinched up by Super Tuesday. That’s not arrogance. That is history. If you want everyone’s vote to count in the primary process, then change it so that everyone votes on the same day. Until then, hypothetical arguments do nothing but confuse the process and prolong the inevitable. And what is the point of mentioning that none of us voted for the war in Iraq? Is anyone here running for president? Obama is and he didn’t vote for the war. Hillary is, and she DID vote for the war. The phone in the White House is already ringing off the hook at 3AM because of the war in Iraq. I want someone to answer it who didn’t create the mess in the first place.

Bitch Republic … not all of the 161 million in the states Hillary won are democrats, Clinton supporters, of voting age, or registered voters. In the primary process, most of those states are not winner takes all. So, you cannot combine the total state populations. That is an intellectually dishonest use of numbers, but it is consistent with the math being used by other Hillary supporters. With currently pledged delegate, super ot otherwise, Obama is still in the lead.

MJC … more make believe math. More hypotheticals. PEOPLE, McCain is not a figment of our imagination. We need a candidate who can deal with real rules. What is more delusional? Fighting for a losing candidate based on what we want to happen or supporting the candidate who is going to win the nomination? How much sense does it make that you say the only caucuses that were undemocratic were the ones that favored Obama? Let’s just bend and bend reality until it looks like a pretty unicorn standing under a lovely rainbow. Then we can run the unicorn against McCain … LOL And please tell me what “test[s]” Hillary has passed. I am dying to hear that one.

Will a Hillary supporter please show me ONE SINGLE poll that shows Hillary beating McCain in the general election. PLEASE …

Off to drink my Kool-Aid and be crazy. It’s tough being on the winning side.

]]> By: chadnnocal http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43284 chadnnocal Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:19:31 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43284 One more thing... NO PERSONAL ATTACKS! Everyone needs to feel safe in expressing their views. Be tough on the issues and soft on the people. One more thing… NO PERSONAL ATTACKS! Everyone needs to feel safe in expressing their views. Be tough on the issues and soft on the people.

]]> By: Mike http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43282 Mike Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:17:46 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43282 This website is about the only forum where you would actually find so many gays opposed to Hillary Clinton. By and large, the gays have been wooed by Hillary, whose spent 8 full years building up a close and successful relationship with the gay community in New York and America. This is the only place I see so many gays blindly willing to follow Obama, who has historically recoiled from gays, still enlists the support of anti-gay pastors to gain religious votes, and has never tried working with or courting a national gay organization. This website is about the only forum where you would actually find so many gays opposed to Hillary Clinton. By and large, the gays have been wooed by Hillary, whose spent 8 full years building up a close and successful relationship with the gay community in New York and America.

This is the only place I see so many gays blindly willing to follow Obama, who has historically recoiled from gays, still enlists the support of anti-gay pastors to gain religious votes, and has never tried working with or courting a national gay organization.

]]> By: chadnnocal http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43281 chadnnocal Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:15:15 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43281 I hate to bring this up but the clock is ticking and we still don't have a nominee... The both have strengths and weaknesses This is the first time in history we as an LGBT community have the opportunity to lead the way. We can create meaningful change if we stand united. We have so much at stake at this moment in time. Can we afford to back pedal? Two questions: Reply in this post. What is THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE TO YOU? What have your heard from either candidate that leads you to believe they can resolve that issue? No rhetoric or bullshit, just the facts what you believe you have heard. I hate to bring this up but the clock is ticking and we still don’t have a nominee… The both have strengths and weaknesses

This is the first time in history we as an LGBT community have the opportunity to lead the way. We can create meaningful change if we stand united.

We have so much at stake at this moment in time. Can we afford to back pedal?

Two questions: Reply in this post.
What is THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE TO YOU?

What have your heard from either candidate that leads you to believe they can resolve that issue? No rhetoric or bullshit, just the facts what you believe you have heard.

]]> By: mjc http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43274 mjc Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:33:17 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43274 pledged delegates are being given this sense of absoluteness by people, and its just not the case. in other elections the leader in pledged delegates didn't get the nomination and the dem has one... this was in the past but still. its happened. look. what if all of his pledged delegates were from 90% of states that always go red? then how is he the best to win? her winning in the big democratic states and the swing states are crucial. there is no garuntee that he gets those. nj could be a tossup, according to rassmussen polling from last week. but hillary would take that, hands down. and arnold country, california, he loves mccain. you never know what could happen in a genral. all i'm saying is don't count her out. you may say superdelegates are undemocratic, but so were all of the caucuses that favored obama, how on earth does that ridiculous process represent the electorate? we need the strongest, most testsed. go hillary! pledged delegates are being given this sense of absoluteness by people, and its just not the case. in other elections the leader in pledged delegates didn’t get the nomination and the dem has one… this was in the past but still. its happened.

look. what if all of his pledged delegates were from 90% of states that always go red? then how is he the best to win?

her winning in the big democratic states and the swing states are crucial. there is no garuntee that he gets those.

nj could be a tossup, according to rassmussen polling from last week. but hillary would take that, hands down.

and arnold country, california, he loves mccain.

you never know what could happen in a genral.

all i’m saying is don’t count her out.

you may say superdelegates are undemocratic, but so were all of the caucuses that favored obama, how on earth does that ridiculous process represent the electorate?

we need the strongest, most testsed. go hillary!

]]> By: mjc http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43273 mjc Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:29:49 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43273 No. 29, If you don’t think Obama followers are Kool-Aid drinkers, maybe you should visit this website: http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com It’s creepy how much Kool-Aid these people have been drinking. Posted: Mar 5, 2008 at 6:28 pm OH MY GOD.. THAT IS TERRIFYING! No. 29,
If you don’t think Obama followers are Kool-Aid drinkers, maybe you should visit this website: http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com
It’s creepy how much Kool-Aid these people have been drinking.
Posted: Mar 5, 2008 at 6:28 pm

OH MY GOD.. THAT IS TERRIFYING!

]]> By: hells kitchen guy http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43264 hells kitchen guy Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:27:23 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43264 Yawn ... Yawn …

]]> By: ProfessorVP http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43259 ProfessorVP Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:39:12 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43259 Bitch Rep, Obama has used that "epiphany" line exactly the same way in South Carolina, and probably other places along the way. It was a joke. The same way Hillary Clinton told Jon Stewart two nights ago that being on his show was "pathetic." One thing I've noticed about people who rely on expressions like "tin hat," "-----bot," "-----nut," "take your lithium," "stop living in your mother's basement," and "Cool-Aid drinkers" (I think Kool is spelled that way for Kool cigarettes, if they still make those)... I've noticed such people are concrete thinkers, and, well, not so big on sly humor. Bitch Rep, Obama has used that “epiphany” line exactly the same way in South Carolina, and probably other places along the way. It was a joke. The same way Hillary Clinton told Jon Stewart two nights ago that being on his show was “pathetic.”

One thing I’ve noticed about people who rely on expressions like “tin hat,” “—–bot,” “—–nut,” “take your lithium,” “stop living in your mother’s basement,” and “Cool-Aid drinkers” (I think Kool is spelled that way for Kool cigarettes, if they still make those)… I’ve noticed such people are concrete thinkers, and, well, not so big on sly humor.

]]> By: Bitch Republic http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43235 Bitch Republic Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:28:41 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43235 No. 29, If you don't think Obama followers are Kool-Aid drinkers, maybe you should visit this website: http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com It's creepy how much Kool-Aid these people have been drinking. No. 29,

If you don’t think Obama followers are Kool-Aid drinkers, maybe you should visit this website: http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com

It’s creepy how much Kool-Aid these people have been drinking.

]]> By: Bitch Republic http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43233 Bitch Republic Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:13:29 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43233 No, I'm not being paid by the Clinton campaign. Because I have intelligent things to say, unlike the Obamabots, doesn't mean I have to be a paid representative. Actually, I've donated to her campaign... haven't accepted any payments. Jesse, even if Obama wins 100% of the delegates in every state left to vote, he won't have enough delegates to win the nomination, either. Big deal. I'm not saying we should switch the rules in the middle of the process, I'm just saying it's very disingenuous for Obamabots to claim that Obama is so far and away the leader that Hillary should resign. If anyone should resign for the good of the party, it would be Barack because he hasn't won any states that are significantly important to the party in the electoral process we have in electing our president. No, I’m not being paid by the Clinton campaign. Because I have intelligent things to say, unlike the Obamabots, doesn’t mean I have to be a paid representative. Actually, I’ve donated to her campaign… haven’t accepted any payments.

Jesse, even if Obama wins 100% of the delegates in every state left to vote, he won’t have enough delegates to win the nomination, either. Big deal.

I’m not saying we should switch the rules in the middle of the process, I’m just saying it’s very disingenuous for Obamabots to claim that Obama is so far and away the leader that Hillary should resign. If anyone should resign for the good of the party, it would be Barack because he hasn’t won any states that are significantly important to the party in the electoral process we have in electing our president.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43231 Jonathan Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:58:24 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/hillary-hits-the-buckeye-20080305/#comment-43231 After the month he had, if Obama couldn't bring it home on Tuesday in the big states, he doesn't have it. Clinton's going to sweep in Pennsylvania. Don't count Hilary out so fast. My bet is she'll be the nominee. After the month he had, if Obama couldn’t bring it home on Tuesday in the big states, he doesn’t have it. Clinton’s going to sweep in Pennsylvania.

Don’t count Hilary out so fast. My bet is she’ll be the nominee.

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